SE-Portfolio 2010 - Esato archive

Posted by motvikt

On 2010-09-26 17:37:19, echo.shane wrote:
cant hold on any long after living with sony ericsson 7 years there pushing me over the edge.......im still looking for an upgrade to my p1i and cant wait no longer.......

so i want a full touch and qwerty hardware

i would go for x2 but its too slow so im considering the black berry touch
i would also go for the x10 but it has no qwerty hardware board and the mini is too small - both may never get ginger bread upgrade so im going to htc

i have in mind to get the desire z or i think i might get me a desire z.. until sony ericsson make and upgrade to my p1i or something close to my p1i......i just want a big screen with a hardware qwerty board.

SONY ERICSSON WHY CANT THEY HEAR MY CRY

does anyone else feel the way i do?

Xperia x11? windows 7 qwerty

Posted by doministry
Watching how SE operates for the last 2 or 3 years, they will loose miserably.
First time ever I'm not even slightly excited by their announcements
because in 100% of cases it means:

1. Huge delay in release
2. The worst support on the market
3. Unfinished product left without care.

Proven: Satio, X2, X10 all stuck in the middle without any sign of beeing finished
or up to date with software.
This is a first thing they should do but they never will.

Sad but even if they produce beautiful devices, I think I will not spend a penny on them.
They just simply don't understand a problem. Simply don't.

I think they will be a very minor player soon. They've lost alot already.

Dumbasses. I really think it's good to look somwhere else and kick them in the ass.
Don't be naive.

Posted by doministry

Yes. Screw them.

HTC Desire Z will be a treat. SE will follow in 2015.

Posted by Dups!
The P1, which I consider SE's best smartphone thus far even in the face of the X10 and the like, is truly one of a kind.

I am still using it as my main phone and the only way I will stop using it is if it stops working completely.

I'm also not impressed by SE at the moment. They'll have to come up with something shockingly impressive for me to buy an SE phone again in over two years. Not only should their next Android flagship be able to cook me dinner but be announced and released within a month or two at the most.

Posted by kewsvnet
To all those complaining about

...not answering their calls!

i have to say i m absolutely in love with the

x10 mini pro! ....i currently have the htc hero with android 2.1...and got the x10 mini pro for my dad!

its a full touchscreen with qwerty....and wow is it quick and snappy...no lags whatsoever! (altho go figure its got qvga powered 600Mhz processor, the most powerful androids out there more than quadruple the resolution while not even doubling the processing power...so looking at those ratios i doubt they could be more snappy than this baby)

and yeah before you complain about qvga...unless you really do a lot of web browsing and watching videos on it...i don think its a problem at all. almost all the apps i actually use on my hero can be used on this!! and while it has a small screen it is absolutely brilliant for single hand use!! the UI is designed so well its the most user friendly one i have seen...it is really well thought out...and very simple to do all the things you would want to do with a phone...which is one of the best things about

...i have loved the UIs since my D750i!

also having android 1.6 doesn't feel that bad as such...i have 2.1 on my hero and don't find that much i miss from it! 2 things i would like it to have is direct facebook integration with contacts, and bluetooth file transferring...which it will get with the 2.1 update! as for froyo...even if it doesn't get it...i don't see too much of a problem for me...its already snappy as hell

at the moment...my contract ends sometime next year...and while i have looked at htc desire-z and motorola milestone 2....i still consider getting this over the other 2!!

i would love to this

do nice upgrade to this model in the future tho!!!

Posted by sealover94

On 2010-09-26 18:44:39, doministry wrote:
Watching how SE operates for the last 2 or 3 years, they will loose miserably.
First time ever I'm not even slightly excited by their announcements
because in 100% of cases it means:

1. Huge delay in release
2. The worst support on the market
3. Unfinished product left without care.

Proven: Satio, X2, X10 all stuck in the middle without any sign of beeing finished
or up to date with software.
This is a first thing they should do but they never will.

Sad but even if they produce beautiful devices, I think I will not spend a penny on them.
They just simply don't understand a problem. Simply don't.

I think they will be a very minor player soon. They've lost alot already.

Dumbasses. I really think it's good to look somwhere else and kick them in the ass.
Don't be naive.

i totally agree with you...

SE is DEAD 3 years now... And remember what i've been saying since Christmas 2009 .. this will be the last year for SE as a brand ...

Maya had just predicted the END OF SE not the end of the world

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2010-09-26 20:03 ]

Posted by doministry
Yeah, how to trust in their amazing plans and perspectives
when they're unable to bring something as simple as software update.

EVERY Android powered device on Earth, which has any significant position on the market
runs latest Android versions.

SE X10 has another SW delay.
X10 was a massive success in the beginning and big boost in their portfolio.

It's totally wasted. In October nobody wil care about it
with such flood of new amazing HTCs, Samsungs, Motorolas.

I sincerely wish them Alcatel route.

Posted by goldenface
Some rumours would be nice.

Posted by Dups!
@goldenface

Not that I blame you, we have been moaning the last couple of posts.

I'm interested also in their Q3 financial results, any info on that?

Posted by domipost

On 2010-09-26 21:16:56, doministry wrote:
EVERY Android powered device on Earth, which has any significant position on the market
runs latest Android versions.

Rofl

Name me more than 5 Froyo devices.... Right.. Desire, N1. Oh, wait, there it ends

Still just don't get why everybody is complaining about that single stupid number of the Android-version. I'd rather have a good working 1.5 or even 1.0 device than some half working Froyo device. Yeah, there might be some problems with the X10, but every phone has something to complain about. Who cares if it's Froyo, Eclair or Donut (except for you guys that seem to have some number-fetish)

Anyway, only max 5% of the people who own an Android smartphone actually knows that there are different versions, so it isn't a big deal for any manufacturer.

Posted by rss_ndrsn
^Why would I go away to other forum? I am just stating cold hard facts and you know "truth" hurts.

Let's just take a look at iPhone 4. It sold 1 million units in the US in few days and counting, meaning there are at least 1 million people "who have" iPhone 4. How did Apple get this figure? They got it from AT&T because it is the only wireless carrier that sells one in the US. Does that sales figure based on the total number of iPhone 4 shipped? No, it was based from the total number of people who bought the iPhone 4. Same goes with Xperia X10 in Japan. Since X10 is exclusive to NTT Docomo, SE was able to confidently say they sold 120,000 units in two months. Again, it means there are at least 120,000 X10 owners in Japan to date.

About the Froyo, why would a manufacturer release an update to their phone that is half-baked? Froyo is stable already.
And there are actually more than five phone that have Android 2.2, and will get even more next month with the Samsung rooling out the updates for the Galaxy S series and the HTC Desire HD. The phones are the Droid X, Droid 2, Motorola Milestone, Nexus One, HTC Desire, HTC Evo 4, and HTC Droid Incredible.

[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2010-09-26 23:43 ]

Posted by tranced
There are a couple of threads where you can complain about this. Remember this is a thread for rumours!

All the things you've been saying lately have been known for a while already.

Posted by echo.shane
since the bankruptcy ok symbian uiq sony ericsson should've drop symbian all together...

they've almost destroy not to mention embarrassed sony's walkman and cybershot brandnames by reproducing the sh*ty devices over and over in different skins

they've destroy the p-series business line with delayed updates and now there on there way of destroying the xperia family and they have the audacity of wanting to put play station on their next phone...........OH PLEASE SE GIVE ME A BRAKE....what else is next VIAO and BRAVIA......

YOU PEOPLE OVER SONY ERICSSON NEED TO FOCUS ON ONE OPERATING SYSTEM

at this stage you dont

1 symbian
2 aphone
3 java

either phone7 or android or both. they can satisfy business and entertainment folks and if they dont have the nessessary apps make em damn it

DROP SYMBIAN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD NOKIA IS SHIT. SE YOU WILL NEVER KNOW SYMBIAN LIKE NOKIA

DROP NOKIA DROP SYMBIAN.

im so done with company cuz they dont give a shit... i dont have 600 dollars to waste on a piece of plastic until someone knock some sense into them i'll buy their products...

im so angry right now and i also believe they should know how the public feels

Posted by Ricky D
Dude, they said just recently there's no more symbian coming in the foreseeable future.

The p-series reached it's natural end when UIQ died, it wasn't because they killed it.

They already do Bravia phones in Japan and they sell alright, I for one would consider buying a phone with a high quality screen and digital TV tuner built-in.

It would be very difficult to say the walkman and cybershot brands have been hurt by the mobile phone sales from SE.

Going to only one OS is suicide, you know the eggs and baskets saying right? Even if Google's basket looking strong or WP7 catches up with everyone very quickly, putting all your eggs with one of them is very risky business strategy.

Just breathe a mo and chill out a bit. It's a personal choice on mobile phones, not a nation's choice over nuclear warheads, so is it worth getting worked up about?

Posted by echo.shane

On 2010-09-27 06:40:59, Ricky D wrote:
Dude, they said just recently there's no more symbian coming in the foreseeable future.

The p-series reached it's natural end when UIQ died, it wasn't because they killed it.

They already do Bravia phones in Japan and they sell alright, I for one would consider buying a phone with a high quality screen and digital TV tuner built-in.

It would be very difficult to say the walkman and cybershot brands have been hurt by the mobile phone sales from SE.

Going to only one OS is suicide, you know the eggs and baskets saying right? Even if Google's basket looking strong or WP7 catches up with everyone very quickly, putting all your eggs with one of them is very risky business strategy.

Just breathe a mo and chill out a bit. It's a personal choice on mobile phones, not a nation's choice over nuclear warheads, so is it worth getting worked up about?

im on a chill pill

Posted by synn
lol the posts in this thread are exactly the same even when I check up on it after months.
Keep up the good work folks, keep crying.

I personally am holding out for the X12 pro with an attached electric razor though. If SE doesn't deliver this by Q4 THEY WILL ABSOLUTELY FAIL~!!!!11

Posted by Phoner
Back to rumours

According to Eldars latest article on Russian M-R:

- we will see X12 flagship on Android in February 2011
- X12 will likely have 12Mpix camera
- there will be no 2.2 update for existing SE Android devices
- development of about three Symbian based phones was stopped (Satio successor included) when SE decided to leave Symbian

Posted by goldenface
Some rumours at last, thanks Phoner.

Well that's it for Symbian. I've always said Vivaz would have been a much better device with Android.

I supposed this means there will be a three-device gap in their portfolio for 2011 - 2012. Three phones is a lot to take out of an already diminished portfolio.

Posted by motvikt
Hope SE plans to make a good android camera phone now when satio2 is scraped. Also hope some info on satio2 is released, still a little curious on how it would have been. Wonder if it had optical zoom.

Posted by doministry

On 2010-09-26 22:19:25, domipost wrote:

On 2010-09-26 21:16:56, doministry wrote:
EVERY Android powered device on Earth, which has any significant position on the market
runs latest Android versions.

Rofl

Name me more than 5 Froyo devices.... Right.. Desire, N1. Oh, wait, there it ends

You're funny.

All the top HTCs like all Desire line, all Motorolas have 2.2 or will have it in a moment.

The number of Android means completely new functionality, just educate yourself just a little bit
before posting. 1.6 is dead crap today.

As for rumours - if we have a future Android Feb. 2011 that means they really attack the market like crazy.

Buhahahahahaha.

Posted by domipost

On 2010-09-27 16:49:40, doministry wrote:

On 2010-09-26 22:19:25, domipost wrote:

On 2010-09-26 21:16:56, doministry wrote:
EVERY Android powered device on Earth, which has any significant position on the market
runs latest Android versions.

Rofl

Name me more than 5 Froyo devices.... Right.. Desire, N1. Oh, wait, there it ends

I know exactly what the android versions mean. I've probably had more Android-devices than you'll have phones in the next 10 years.

Gotta say I forgot about the Moto's though, cause Motorola doesn't even exist here in The Netherlands. And if you scrap the moto devices the only European 2.2 devices currently for sale actually are the Desire and the N1.

@rss
Now that's cool! AT&T know how much iPhones they actually sold

Pity for them that Apple sells a lot more iPhones than the ones via AT&T cause there is a market in the rest of the world too and there's something like import too. The only way to get a good estimate of the numbers of any phone, including iPhone, sold is to look at how much of them are shipped by the manufacturer and lower that number a bit for the timegap between shipment and sale of the device.

4 out of 7 Froyo devices you named aren't available in Europe and that goes for the update for the Milestone too in a lot of country's. And apart from the fact that most of us are in Europe, we're talking SE here and their major markets certainly don't include the US. So the comparision is a bit strange...

Posted by badassmam
Press conference by MS for WP7 in the second week of October, no

though because the devices that will feature are all ready for release. It would be good for

to leak something around this date to get some interest so that people don't all go rushing out for an LG or something.

Symbian should be continued but the devices need to be changed to suit so ignore Symbian for multimedia Entertainment Unlimited phones and maybe go towards cheaper business in the same way Nokia always kill it with their E series. Symbian would be good on the Aspen as WM 6.5 is no more unless you're on XDA.

would not ditch their A2, as the trends have changed they continue to produce these but in cheaper models the same way that Cybershots and Walkmans are now. Obviously Android and WP7 will be the main focus but a diverse range is always a good idea.

Also, Sealover has popped up again meaning that there's some doubts about

and he/she is ready to pounce once again. Sealover's comments are fun but I'm sure some of you will disagree.

Posted by Ricky D
Sony Ericsson LiveView�

Check you phone/app/messaging/social network status from a small touchscreen accessory.

[ This Message was edited by: Ricky D on 2010-09-28 08:53 ]

Posted by c96sthl

On 2010-09-28 09:45:53, Ricky D wrote:
Sony Ericsson LiveView�

Check you phone/app/messaging/social network status from a small touchscreen accessory.

[ This Message was edited by: Ricky D on 2010-09-28 08:53 ]

compatible with Android 2.x ++ phone....

Posted by bart
wow after 8years they finally lauch this product !!

Posted by goldenface
Discuss here

Posted by domipost

On 2010-09-27 18:47:04, badassmam wrote:

Finally some good news! A2 owns every single platform out there imo

Posted by avmaxfan

On 2010-09-28 15:24:52, domipost wrote:

On 2010-09-27 18:47:04, badassmam wrote:

Finally some good news! A2 owns every single platform out there imo

+ Infinity

Posted by Ricky D
I am a huge fan of A2 too, does anyone know anything about A2 touch? I remember there was a lot of talk about it just under a year ago and to see it in cheaper cybershot/walkman handsets would be awesome, they could really clean up that market, providing the handsets are reliable.

Posted by goldenface
I really like the flash based UI on A2 phones. I'd like to see it developed further with capacitive touch too, like the Aino screen but more refined.

Posted by domipost
Don't think they'll ever make a touch platform from A2. They have their Yendo touch platform (Sagem I think?). Either they have to adjust A2 really much, else they'll get something like Symban^1 and you don't want that, or they should go the Android way for all touch phones. (Yendo is pretty nice imo, btw, but much more limited than A2)

Posted by >>SAMEH
^ ^

for me.. i really missed a2 platform, Aino was just away step of developing a2, yap it came with unfinished work.. but still, java platform for

like The Godfather of their own OS.. i do really miss every a2 device.. and wandering what if

keep doing development for it, who remember those days of introducing W980.. with nice audio stuff Clear bass & stereo and FM transmitter.. then C905, at first time a2 platform comes with built-in WiFi & GPS as well as 8MP..WoW that was cool!, then Aino with touch screen or a half! and a2 still has more.. browser really needs more works, it can barely support adds flash website after all the crappy dreaming of what they called "Project Capuchin".. so i hope that

hiding something for us.. something we can called the next generation of a2!

Posted by domipost
I'd go for A3

Posted by rss_ndrsn

By Domipost
@rss
Now that's cool! AT&T know how much iPhones they actually sold

Sorry, but you just do not get it. Have ever you heard Apple announced how much iPhones they have sold in total since 2007? No, because they cannot track it. But Steve confidently said during the iPhone 4 announcement that they have shipped about 25 million iPhones to date. Why Steve did not said that they have sold 25 million iPhones if your formula is the most accurate way of determining the the total units of iPhones Apple have sold since 2007?

You clearly do not get the difference between the units shipped and units sold. You're formula here is not the one being used as the basis in tracking how many units of phones are sold. That's not the way it goes. If manufacturers can accurately track the sales of their phones, like the phones being sold by a single retailer, or group of retailers that they can get the total sales of their devices from, then cell phone makers would announce to the world how many of their respective models have been sold. If it goes just like you mentioned, then any manufacturer would claim they have sold millions phones even though they have not.

4 out of 7 Froyo devices you named aren't available in Europe and that goes for the update for the Milestone too in a lot of country's. And apart from the fact that most of us are in Europe, we're talking SE here and their major markets certainly don't include the US. So the comparision is a bit strange...

Android's biggest market is the US. So why would it be strange comparison? Beside, you are talking about how many Android devices that runs on Froyo.

[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2010-09-28 23:21 ]

Posted by Mizzou
rss_ndrsn

what's eating you? can not sleep when you do not have numbers? he founded his forum and count how many non-stop phone sold, there is a SE-portfolio 2010, did you notice it?

Posted by Dups!

On 2010-09-29 13:01:53, Mizzou wrote:
rss_ndrsn

what's eating you? can not sleep when you do not have numbers? he founded his forum and count how many non-stop phone sold, there is a SE-portfolio 2010, did you notice it?

Anyway, I'm looking to see what this X12 or whatever it will be called packs. If it is a great device I may get it, I actually hope it is decent enough.

Posted by DarkKrypt
anything good- to great
WITH xenon or plasma from se i will be going for.
like a few other people that commented here.

there was a rumour about a year or so ago.
that se was going to implement wide optical zoom into their 'cybershot' camera phones.

links like..
Sony Cybershot DSC-G3 Wi-Fi Digital Camera Offers Web Browsing [Sony Claim World�s First]

or this
(like the satio..)
Sony Cyber-shot DSC T900 Review � Bargain 12.0 MP Digital Camera

or DSC-TX9 - 12.2 megapixels Exmor R� CMOS, 4x optical zoom/25mm wide angle, Full HD movie, 8.8cm LCD and 3D
or DSC-T99 - 14.1 megapixels, 4x zoom/24mm wide angle, HD movie and 7.5cm wide touchscreen LCD

more or less the T-series
The sleek and stylish T Series
A range of ultra slim, stylish cameras with advanced shooting features. Cyber-shot� T Series cameras offer a no-compromise blend of high image quality and stunning good looks.
link

[ This Message was edited by: DarkKrypt on 2010-09-29 14:06 ]

Posted by domipost

On 2010-09-28 23:22:42, rss_ndrsn wrote:

By Domipost
@rss
Now that's cool! AT&T know how much iPhones they actually sold

Android's biggest market is the US. So why would it be strange comparison? Beside, you are talking about how many Android devices that runs on Froyo.

[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2010-09-28 23:21 ]

The reason they don't make those things public is different, but keep dreaming

Anyway, back to rumours

Posted by >>SAMEH

On 2010-09-29 15:02:52, DarkKrypt wrote:
anything good- to great
WITH xenon or plasma from se i will be going for.
like a few other people that commented here.

there was a rumour about a year or so ago.
that se was going to implement wide optical zoom into their 'cybershot' camera phones.

hope so..

a weak ago i had some moments to use my friend's camera TX9
i really got shock about what they have got.. these pieces really deserve "Cyber Shot" brand, shame on C905 as well as Satio! still the lens of cell phones far away of them

Posted by rss_ndrsn

On 2010-09-29 18:09:04, domipost wrote:

On 2010-09-28 23:22:42, rss_ndrsn wrote:

By Domipost
@rss
Now that's cool! AT&T know how much iPhones they actually sold

Android's biggest market is the US. So why would it be strange comparison? Beside, you are talking about how many Android devices that Froyo is running on.

[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2010-09-28 23:21 ]

The reason they don't make those things public is different, but keep dreaming

Anyway, back to rumours

Well, you are the most ignorant person I have ever come across with; I meant it in a bad way! The reason is non other than those SE phones just did not or have not sold a million each.

To others who commented on this matter, could you back read please? Agian, a lot of poeple here have the habit of butting in a conversation they do not fully understand. Please make sure you read all of the posts before you comment. especially, trance.

Posted by tranced
You mean this trance or me?

Posted by rss_ndrsn
^You.

Posted by tranced
Ok.

Posted by goldenface
There is a rumour going around that there might be some sanity restored to this thread sometime soon.

I too hope the X12 has better optics than Satio, even though Satio is pretty good IMO. I'm wondering if SE will use the X12 to strike back at the N8 which has the best camera on a phone so far.

Posted by Ricky D
@ goldenface

I really hope we do see a good camera phone. I have deliberately not bought a compact digital in recent because I've had a phone that's been good enough for my needs, but the last few I've had (Aino and X10) haven't been up to standard in my opinion. I really feel C905 was the peak of the camera phone for SE and I'd like to see them return to previous camera phone glory so I don't need to carry it around with me when I go travelling.

[ This Message was edited by: Ricky D on 2010-09-30 00:52 ]

Posted by goldenface
Yeah, me too Ricky.

The C905, with it's powerful Xenon flash and extra features was the best cam phone from SE for me - twilight shots + Xenon gave amazing results.

Now, however, I think they might have to rethink what makes a good camera phone as I don't think just piling up the mega pixels is good enough and I've a feeling if they did launch a new one, it would have some Android wizardry built in.

Posted by sambouka
Google ignores Sony ericsson as an Android phone maker

Depending on you IP address, phones/contracts are shown (you can also choose your country).

Click here

Weird when SE decide they will be the champions of Android !

[ This Message was edited by: sambouka on 2010-09-30 10:42 ]

Posted by Mizzou
I agree that the C905 is the best camera phone with xenon flash, also I got it and I'm happy with it. I wish that the new phone SE X12 had a plasma flash as the SE S003. I hope that SE X12 will a worthy competitor phones such as Nokia N8, Samsung Galaxy and HTC HD

Posted by DarkKrypt
Ditto with Goldenface and Ricky D

Posted by smclion102

Working On Win Phone 7 Device
Oded Ran, head of Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 UK division, has confimed that Sony Ericsson are working on a handset for the forthcoming platform In his interview with mymicrosoftlife.com Mr Ran said "Sony Ericsson are working on at least one Windows Phone 7 device." The added emphasis is our own. So not only will Sony Ericsson be joining the ranks of the nascent OS, but it could very well be releasing multiple devices.

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