Posted by goldenface
@Oli
That's certainly true, a good screen is one thing you can expect no matter what the technology behind it.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-09-17 08:49 ]
Posted by avmaxfan
Just got myself a SONY walkman A 846 with OLED screen and its gorgeous 
And frankly I don't think its any worse than my older S walkman with LCD screen in sunlight at full brightness. And the images are so much more crisp and sharp.
I can only imagine how good the X12 screen will be
Posted by avmaxfan
@Ricky_D
The X12 will have a Gyroscope as I had mentioned earlier. What is a Gyroscope and what can it do on a phone????
This:(From the Iphone 4 article, IP4 also has a gyroscope and the X12's implementation will be similar.
"Apple announced its new iPhone 4 with many new features but we want to explain a little more about the gyroscope feature, yes it will bring stunning six-axis motion sensing to this smartphone.
The gyroscope feature will allow the iPhone 4 to detect roll, yaw and pitch, it works side-by-side with the accelerometer to give you a better gaming experience amongst other this, it also uses CoreMotion programming tools for better precision.
Steve Jobs demoed the new technology by showing us the game Jenga, Jobs tilted the phone to show you the movements, this will bring a whole new level to gaming and many other applications."
And Xperiascape, well that is the new custom homescreen that will be on the X12 and X12 only. It will not be ported to X10. Whereas the 3D graphical UI WILL be ported to the X10
Posted by goldenface
An Xperia X10 v2.0 has appeared on the official chinese site. More info here.
It could be a hardware upgrade.
Posted by tranced
Don't be mean, SE. Don't let the X10 down.
In other words the X12 is getting closer to the reality as days are passing by.
Posted by goldenface
Now I'm starting wonder if the rumoured X12 and the X10 v2.0 are in fact the same device - X12 hasn't been declared the official name yet has it?
Posted by avmaxfan
No X10 v2.0 is NOT X12
I guess it must be a minor refresh, nothing more. And as you can see from the screen shot, there are no visible differences in design.
So NOPE its most likely a minor hardware refresh for possibly selected markets (or maybe ONLY china)
And X12 WILL be the official name.
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2010-09-17 12:50 ]
Posted by avmaxfan
Ok I don't know if u guys tried, but I was just trying to get to
China website and couldn't for some reason. There is no link for the Chinese website in the global homepage. Or even if it is, I could not figure out, maybe its written in Chinese.
Anyways did you look at the screen shot carefully? At the main page behind the pop up page below it says 2008-09 Sony Ericsson. And the pop up screen showing the phones also seems weird to me as the main page seems to be a playnow page or something similar. I don't know, I maybe wrong but I guess its a PS.
Posted by tranced
Will it have variants or will it be quad or penta band?
Posted by makebelieve
from XDA forum:
The successor is going to retain the 8mpx, but would go xmos (some internal Sony's development), the display would be Bravia branded and I think it would probably be SLCD. Q3-Q4 release with 3.0.
?????????
Posted by goldenface
Wow, rumours galore. Isn't X10 hardware currently incompatible with Froyo? That's what a lot of people are saying. And if that is true then I can't see the successor not having a hardware upgrade as well as everything else.
Posted by HxH
Let's wait and see then.
Posted by Ricky D
@avmax thanks for the info on xperiascape and the gyroscpe. From what I'm led o believe the gyroscope is utilised for more advanced gaming. I just wanted to make sure X12 wouldn't be left behind.
As for the Chinese official site, it is listed in Chinese. It's near the bottom of the list of languages.
I'm trying to find that section of the website myself.
Posted by avmaxfan
On 2010-09-17 14:08:35, makebelieve wrote:
from XDA forum:
The successor is going to retain the 8mpx, but would go xmos (some internal Sony's development), the display would be Bravia branded and I think it would probably be SLCD. Q3-Q4 release with 3.0.
?????????
First, there is no "xmos" sensor (???) There is a CMOS censor and also EXMOR. No "XMOS" So i dunno what he is talking about.
Second, The Bravia branding is limited to phones in Japan which hav built in TV TUNER. As the phones also function as TVs they are branded as BRAVIA. The screen isn't BRAVIA. Its the Phone thats called BRAVIA.
Third, Q3-Q4 release??? Q3 is ending in a few days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think he is specific about anything and whatever he has mentioned isn't logically right either.
@RickyD
Yup thats right
It is indeed for advanced gaming and X12 will indeed be capable enough.
And please share the link once you find the exact link. I am getting back on it too
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2010-09-17 13:49 ]
Posted by Ricky D
Fount it. It does appear there is an X10_v2 on the Chinese website. I'm trying to dig around for some features in some hidden area before they realise they f**ked up.
Posted by goldenface
v2.0 is only mentioned once in the source code.
Posted by Ricky D
I'm thinking this is a red herring and will serve to separate apps/themes/extras compatible with X10 1.6 and x10 2.1. Afterall this is the playnow section of the site.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2010-09-17 15:24:26, Ricky D wrote:
I'm thinking this is a red herring and will serve to separate apps/themes/extras compatible with X10 1.6 and x10 2.1. Afterall this is the playnow section of the site.
Yeah I agree with Ricky D. That makes a lot of sense to me. Far more than SE seriously being up themselves enough to think they can pull off what Apple does.
[ This Message was edited by: Muhammad-Oli on 2010-09-17 14:57 ]
Posted by se_dude
SE were present at the Toyko gaming show and reiterated that they are serious when it comes to mobile gaming.Do we smell something boiling here?
Posted by lxAMNxl
@avmaxfan:
Something that is still bugging me is the screen resolution of the X12. Does Android generally work well on a 1.5 aspect ratio? So is it 1080x720 or 1280x720? I'm wondering, if
uses Super AMOLED it could well be the 2nd generation could it not since the 1st gen can't support higher resolutions than WVGA?
Hopefully
gives us great hardware and software, or if not at least hardware; hopefully there are porters out there to port WP7, iOS, and/or MeeGo ;D to make the software side rock hehe.
Posted by avmaxfan
No No
is not using SUPER AMOLED. That is Samsung's technology. SONY will be using OLED technology. Not sure about the technical aspects of the resolution.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
It's a 50/50 joint venture between Sony and Samsung. It is not Samsung's tech.
Posted by avmaxfan
^^
S-LCD corp is a 50:50 joint venture between Sony and Samsung, not Super AMOLED. Super AMOLED is Samsung's technology.
Posted by smclion102
@ avmaxfan
When will you get more info abt X12
Cant Wait
Posted by io_bg
^ Patience is a virtue, you know
It'll be announced in two months, that isn't so much
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2010-09-18 15:36:54, avmaxfan wrote:
^^
S-LCD corp is a 50:50 joint venture between Sony and Samsung, not Super AMOLED. Super AMOLED is Samsung's technology.
Oh sorry, I misread.
Posted by Xajel
I just want to clarify two points here...
1) Super AMOLED is not that super in any way, it is a very simple idea.. in normal touchscreen, the touch-layer is placed above the display... this is cheap and easy way for adding touch capability in any display panel... so you don't have to make a special production line only for touch screen... this is fast and easy and it works... yeah it works well for all non S-AMOLED displays !!
but it has some downsides
A- the display panel becomes a little fatter duo to the addition touch layer.
B- duo to the larger spaces between the actual display panel and the surface. the screen will have some diffeculties handling sunlight ( reflection and refraction thingies )...
So samsung did it the hard way, they dedicated a seperated production line in the display making and made the touch layer an actual layer of the AMOLED... so S-AMOLED is just AMOLED + touch surface !!.. there's no non-touch S-AMOLED.. as it will be un-practicle to add a touch layer to non-touch phone !!
this helped increases the sharpeness of the screen in the sunlight and made it thinner too than regular AMOLED with touch surface...
2) Sony Ericsson is a seperate company from Ericsson & Sony... it has it's own management and decison making... so sony having Bravia or what ever brand does not mean that SE will adopt it... it all relate to What Sony want and agree and what SE want and agree... they have some cross-brands like Cyber-Shot and Walkman but this was duo to a cross agreement between Sony it self as a CE geant and SE as a company... yeah no other mobile phone may adopt these brands as it will require Sony to authorise that and sony in many different ways won't accept that ( they want to control the brand )... if SE wanted a Sony brand from Sony... they have to give Sony alot of controls over the brand, market and marketing... Sony it self has it's own conditions and rules... for example Bravia is a brand for HD TV system being a LCD, Projection or what ever than is intended to be used in Home theater system or showing TV/Movie entertainment... it's not display panel technology... then if SE wanted that brand they have to make mobile phone with TV capability... or at least to officially a device that is also a video player... if SE don't want this then Sony will just simply says no...
same goes for PSP device... Sony want to put it's own standard and rules... if SE sees this is not possible then Sony will say no... this is why it has been too long for such a device...
in another way.. if Sony invented a technology.. like a camera sensor for example... this does not mean that SE will use it or will be able to use it... that technology may not fill SE needs so they will go for another alternative.. even from a compititor to sony... there some SE phones in the market that uses a camera sensor from other manufacturers even thought Sony makes thier own... it's just coz SE found that sensor does not fit thier needs... in the same time if Sony wanted the sensor to have it's special rules and condition then they may not allow SE to use it too... for example if that sensor is not intended to be used in a camera phone but in a dedicated camera duo to the fact it needs special lens system to show it's glory...
Posted by makebelieve
OK, Adreno 205 matches PowerVR SGX540....
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_d[....]orted_to_the_hd2-news-1941.php
and QSD8672 (1.5Ghz) has Adreno 220 which is going to be much faster than 205...
OMAP4 is outdated.....
hmm wait...that thing would arrive in Q1 2011....
but what about Tegra 2 and Orion which is "capable of delivering 5 times the 3D graphics performance over the previous processor generation"
yeah...unfortunately OMAP4 is already outdated...
Posted by CELL-P
@Xajel
I think everybody is aware of the fact that Super AMOLED is more of a promotional name rather than a technical name. However, it is also a technical name, in a way, since there is an actual difference in the actual specifications of the display panel. And although Super AMOLED not unique itself, I believe Samsung has the right to call those displays anything since they were the first ones to manufacture them and implement them in their products.
So if anybody classified it into either of the two categories (promotional or technical), I would not argue with them.
Posted by lxAMNxl
On 2010-09-19 15:34:13, makebelieve wrote:
OK, Adreno 205 matches PowerVR SGX540....
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_d[....]orted_to_the_hd2-news-1941.php
and QSD8672 (1.5Ghz) has Adreno 220 which is going to be much faster than 205...
OMAP4 is outdated.....
hmm wait...that thing would arrive in Q1 2011....
but what about Tegra 2 and Orion which is "capable of delivering 5 times the 3D graphics performance over the previous processor generation"
yeah...unfortunately OMAP4 is already outdated...
Uhhh, you do realize that the Samsung Galaxy S is running 2.1 and not 2.2 on that benchmark right? Where it says Nexus One 2.2 (and higher/ on top) is where Android 2.2 starts, so no, SGX540 is not slower than Adreno 205. However, Samsung will probably be smart enough and use the SGX545 instead of the SGX540 in their Orion SoC. People need to start reading and analyzing things more correctly and also slower.
Tegra 2 will be used next year if I'm not mistaken. Orion will barely start mass production 1H2011, which probably means that we will see it in smartphones in 2H2011.
Posted by makebelieve
here are the real benchmarks...
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/
SGX540 dominates....
and there is Tegra 250 based netbook...which is slower than galaxy phones...
i thought tegra 2 had the fastest GPU...
hmm...what that mean?
i`m interested about other benchmark apps...
Posted by XPHCTOC
Omap 4 is outdated?
I don't think so. The heart of the platform is also a dual-core ARM Cortex A9 chip.
check the tegra 2 specs out: http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_250.html
and check the Ti omap 4430 and 4440 specs out: http://focus.ti.com/general/d[....]gationId=12843&contentId=53243
The ti 4440 chip operates at 1+ GHz
The tegra 2 operates at up to 1GHz
The specs are more or less the same (140h music playback, multiscreen support, higher screen resolution support, full HD capture). what is so outdated in Ti 4440 or 4430 that is not in tegra 2 platform???
And saying that tegra 2 is delivering 5x 3D graphics performance of previous generation of smartphone doesn't mean anything (what generation of smartphone are we talking about? and who is your source for the 5x graphics performance? in the official nvidia specs sheet they are only talking about 2x 3D graphic performance of previous tegra chip ).
[ This Message was edited by: XPHCTOC on 2010-09-19 17:55 ]
Posted by makebelieve
@XPHCTOC
GPU, which is the most important part in SoC...
better GPU means better overall performance in every aspect...
Posted by lxAMNxl
On 2010-09-19 18:50:46, makebelieve wrote:
@XPHCTOC
GPU, which is the most important part in SoC...
better GPU means better overall performance in every aspect...
Actually, it doesn't matter what GPU is used as the OS doesn't even utilize it. Remember, the only mobile OSes that use GPU acceleration are iOS, Symbian^3, and the upcoming MeeGo. Games of course use the GPU to its potential, but not the OS.
Posted by XPHCTOC
On 2010-09-19 18:54:22, lxAMNxl wrote:
On 2010-09-19 18:50:46, makebelieve wrote:
@XPHCTOC
GPU, which is the most important part in SoC...
better GPU means better overall performance in every aspect...
Actually, it doesn't matter what GPU is used as the OS doesn't even utilize it. Remember, the only mobile OSes that use GPU acceleration are iOS, Symbian^3, and the upcoming MeeGo. Games of course use the GPU to its potential, but not the OS.
Agree (don't forget webOS
edit: I mean the upcoming webOS versions )[ This Message was edited by: XPHCTOC on 2010-09-19 18:06 ]
Posted by makebelieve
smooth animations, scrolling/pinchzoom, user interface, etc.... many thing depends on GPU...
Galaxy S has better overall performance than Desire/EVO/X10 because of better GPU
[ This Message was edited by: makebelieve on 2010-09-19 18:34 ]
Posted by lxAMNxl
On 2010-09-19 19:29:50, makebelieve wrote:
smooth animations, scrolling/pinchzoom, user interface, etc.... many thing depends on GPU...
Galaxy S has better overall performance than Desire/EVO/X10 because of better GPU
[ This Message was edited by: makebelieve on 2010-09-19 18:34 ]
Uhhh, that depends upon the CPU and not the GPU. Why do you think Android needs a lot of GHz instead of GPU? Like I said, the OS doesn't use the GPU at all, hence why no GPU acceleration. The custom skins from OEMs do utilize the GPU if I'm not mistaken, but the OS in general doesn't. Read up on the docs.
A lot of things can affect performance. Samsung Hummingbird's SoC > TI OMAP 3's Processor SoC. Overall Samsung's Hummingbird performs way better clock per clock. Care to compare the Samsung Galaxy S to Nokia's N8 GPU? Now that's GPU acceleration throughout the OS.
Posted by se_dude
@makebelieve- Oops you are wrong. Samsung's Gaaxy on stock firmware is a piece of crap.Slow, laggy and unresponsive. More than the hardware, its how you code the software to complement the hardware that matters. IMO SE have done that pretty well. No slowdowns whatsoever and it works as advertised. No lag fixes, GPS glooms or WIFI disconnections a part and parcel of the package.
Posted by frankroger
What has CPU, GPU, C3PO, R2D2, etc to do with SE-Portefolio 2010?? Please keep to the topic and let's hear more rumours about X11 / X12!!! And for me, preferable the new Windows Phone 7 from
...
Posted by c96sthl
On 2010-09-18 13:34:16, avmaxfan wrote:
No No
is not using SUPER AMOLED. That is Samsung's technology. SONY will be using OLED technology. Not sure about the technical aspects of the resolution.
Super amoled is a marketing gimmick name...it just mean the AMOLED screen and touch panel get laminated together.
this is not something unique...just that samsung have the process to do it.
Amoled is part of OLED....since OLED have passive and active matrix just like those olden days when we have Active and passive matrix LCD screen.
any company want to use Samsung's Super amoled will need to pay some price on royalty if this is patented by Samsung.
if Samsung put it as a technology exclusive for themselves...then even if you want to pay, they won't sell
Posted by makebelieve
is there anything new?.....abot X11/12.....
avmax tell us something...
Posted by io_bg
On 2010-09-20 04:30:19, se_dude wrote:
IMO SE have done that pretty well. No slowdowns whatsoever and it works as advertised. No lag fixes, GPS glooms or WIFI disconnections a part and parcel of the package.
IMO SE have done that pretty well. No slowdowns whatsoever and it works as advertised. No lag fixes, GPS glooms or WIFI disconnections a part and parcel of the package.
I don't know which phones you have in mind, but I can tell you that Vivaz sometimes runs slowly although it's powerful CPU...
Posted by se_dude
Its only the x10 i have been talking about. Symbian, well. No comments
Posted by jjjajjj
Hmmmm ....interesting Sony's PlayStation division looking for engineers with Android dev experience !!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/[....]-for-engineers-with-android-d/
Posted by makebelieve
more PSPhone rumors?
Posted by DarkKrypt
for people who dont want to click on the link posted buy jjjajjj
Sony's PlayStation division looking for engineers with Android dev experience
By Nilay Patel posted Sep 20th 2010 5:01PM
It's been just over a month since we broke the news that Sony's working on an Android 3.0-based gaming phone with PlayStation branding, and a new job posting seems to indicate that progress is being made -- the PlayStation division is looking for a senior server engineer in London with "experience in mobile development, specifically Android." The rest of the listing sounds like this person will be involved in running an online game service, which certainly makes sense; Sony would do well to counter Xbox Live on Windows Phone 7 and Apple's Game Center with PSN on their own device. Either that, or this just means nothing -- but you know us, we're eternal optimists.
By Nilay Patel posted Sep 20th 2010 5:01PM
It's been just over a month since we broke the news that Sony's working on an Android 3.0-based gaming phone with PlayStation branding, and a new job posting seems to indicate that progress is being made -- the PlayStation division is looking for a senior server engineer in London with "experience in mobile development, specifically Android." The rest of the listing sounds like this person will be involved in running an online game service, which certainly makes sense; Sony would do well to counter Xbox Live on Windows Phone 7 and Apple's Game Center with PSN on their own device. Either that, or this just means nothing -- but you know us, we're eternal optimists.
Posted by goldenface
I was hoping they were well advanced in the development of their Android gaming phone. Seems like it's still years away if they are only just now advertising for engineers.
Posted by DarkKrypt
my exact thoughts goldenface; and that position is for a senior server engineer
experience in mobile development, specifically Android.
too
so they might have 'junior' devs and team leaders etc - whatever you want to call them.
...and heres the actual job if you want to apply
Sony Playstation - Senior Server Engineer vacancy in Soho, London
job description taken from ^link above
Senior Server Engineer
Job Type:
Permanent
Salary/Rate:
Dependant on experence
Date Posted:
15/09/2010
Department:
Online Technology Group
Location:
Soho, London
Responsibilities:
The main responsibilities of the role are as follows:
• Participate in design review of applications and services. Come up with design best practices for building operational effectiveness in applications early in design.
• Identify the need for automation in processes and automate them if feasible.
• Identify the need for tools that help in Operations and implement them.
• Help game teams with development of distributed and networked applications and services when required.
• Plan reusable performance benchmark tests for applications and services.
• Recommend what works how, when and where and what does not work how, when and where when it comes to applications or services performance.
• Help troubleshoot issues at different levels of architecture - kernel, network, applications/services.
Requirements:
The candidate must have these qualities or experiences:
• Communication skills are essential in this customer facing role.
• Strong experience in developing distributed networked applications that make use of protocols such as TCP, UDP, and HTTP.
• Extensive knowledge of Linux.
• Strong skills in more than one of the following: Perl, Bash/ksh, Python, Ruby.
• Exposure to live application hosting.
• Strong understanding of database performance and tuning.
• Experience in using software design patterns, data structures, algorithms.
• Programming Experience in C/C++ and/or Java.
• Ability to manage oneself across multiple streams of work.
• Experience automating tests and tasks.
Highly desirable:
• BS or MS in Computer Science.
• Experience of working as a core developer.
• Experience in design and development of SOA (Service Oriented Architecture) or Software-as-a-Service (SaaS).
• Experience with cloud hosting, such as Amazon Web Services.
• Experience in mobile development is a plus.
• Knowledge/experience of online gaming.
Job Type:
Permanent
Salary/Rate:
Dependant on experence
Date Posted:
15/09/2010
Department:
Online Technology Group
Location:
Soho, London
Responsibilities:
The main responsibilities of the role are as follows:
• Participate in design review of applications and services. Come up with design best practices for building operational effectiveness in applications early in design.
• Identify the need for automation in processes and automate them if feasible.
• Identify the need for tools that help in Operations and implement them.
• Help game teams with development of distributed and networked applications and services when required.
• Plan reusable performance benchmark tests for applications and services.
• Recommend what works how, when and where and what does not work how, when and where when it comes to applications or services performance.
• Help troubleshoot issues at different levels of architecture - kernel, network, applications/services.
Requirements:
The candidate must have these qualities or experiences:
• Communication skills are essential in this customer facing role.
• Strong experience in developing distributed networked applications that make use of protocols such as TCP, UDP, and HTTP.
• Extensive knowledge of Linux.
• Strong skills in more than one of the following: Perl, Bash/ksh, Python, Ruby.
• Exposure to live application hosting.
• Strong understanding of database performance and tuning.
• Experience in using software design patterns, data structures, algorithms.
• Programming Experience in C/C++ and/or Java.
• Ability to manage oneself across multiple streams of work.
• Experience automating tests and tasks.
Highly desirable:
• BS or MS in Computer Science.
• Experience of working as a core developer.
• Experience in design and development of SOA (Service Oriented Architecture) or Software-as-a-Service (SaaS).
• Experience with cloud hosting, such as Amazon Web Services.
• Experience in mobile development is a plus.
• Knowledge/experience of online gaming.
so for people that want to know what the role is for the senior server engineer
edit:
though it doesnt mention anything about android..sounds like engadget,has been adding words in..lol and their source button links to the same page as i have provided in this post..so why add "android" in the text of the screen shot - which seems to have been photoshopped - creating hype i think maybe yes maybe meh.
[ This Message was edited by: DarkKrypt on 2010-09-21 13:35 ]
Posted by Dups!
... and this in my opinion means this is going to be a strictly SONY project as that Sony executive mentioned earlier this month that the Playstation brand is only reserved for SONY products. To me this is confirmation that the SE phone is just going to be like the Aino with Playstation remote play and not Playstation branded. Too bad as SE would've benefited greatly from a PSPhone.
Posted by goldenface
...and both parent companies reserve the right to manufacture their own handset still.
This was part of the original agreement when they merged so it looks like it will be a Sony Playstation Phone and not a Sony Ericsson Playstation phone.