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Posted by MNX1024
Err the X10 was hardly too expensive given the price of other smartphones in the range.


Well, at the moment the price is average, but at it's launch, which was at the Low $800USD, that's a lot more than most smart phone prices. Heck, most smart phone at launch now a days are below $600USD. Which I hope the X12 would around that price at launch.
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Posted by smclion102
I am guessing X12 will have 700$ price tag hopefully not more than that..
As it has 12mp n 1.2/1.5ghz and X10 still costs more here around 600$.

Hope they price it less than 700$

Posted by se_dude
At least in the UK, The X10 was cheaper thn the N800, galaxy S and slightly costlier than the Desire which can be pardoned for its better features.

Posted by makebelieve
Ok, what about X11? display size/resolution/type ? camera? announcement/release date?
please, tell us avmax... if you know, of course...

Posted by HxH
Have you read it clearly?

Posted by ScoreP
I am hoping this chap is right and its not another "storm" which was pridicted two years ago. I woul'd love to replace my Satio with X12 if ..........Satio was good device but plagued by symbian. I would love to try android n hoping v3 will be mature enough to competes with thlikes of E7

Posted by HxH
Mark this word! Satio was good device but plagued by symbian -sigh

I will consider SATIO's replacement for xenon equipped device but count N8 out I'm not symbian type!
if X12 will have it my SATIO will lose her job now!

Posted by king-james
@ makebelieve

I think you need new glasses.


Posted by makebelieve
why? do you know anything about X11?...i think you need glasses

Posted by ScoreP
It is still big big sigh as I am still using but its pictures are no doubt best in its class thats why I am still using it. Symbian new incarnation i.e. Symbian^3 is also not very hopeful as E7 form facor with hybrid (touch/type) could be best phone but again I am not going to fall into symbian trap this time. If either nokia load E7 with meego or SE launch X12, it will be run away success and I'll be spoil for choice. BTW what happend to HD3? it was going to anounce today or may be I am wrong its tomorrow!!!!!!

Posted by killajat

On 2010-09-13 08:41:17, avmaxfan wrote:
@smclion102

I guess what should matter more is the fact that whatever info I have shared here is not fake

Anyways let me tell you that the X12 is not gonna be the first device to get 1.5 ghz processor, HTC will showcase the HD3 with 1.5 ghz processor in two days.

TI OMAP 4 processor is the one being used in the X12. You can Google it for more info

P.S. I never mentioned 1.5 ghz "snapdragon"

@lxAMNxl

Sorry buddy no info on any of those Will update once I get any


SO HTC din't launch the HD3 with Dual core 1.5 GHz processor, I guess your credibility just went down a couple of notches

Posted by eternal_wind

On 2010-09-15 13:59:41, ScoreP wrote:
It is still big big sigh as I am still using but its pictures are no doubt best in its class thats why I am still using it. Symbian new incarnation i.e. Symbian^3 is also not very hopeful as E7 form facor with hybrid (touch/type) could be best phone but again I am not going to fall into symbian trap this time. If either nokia load E7 with meego or SE launch X12, it will be run away success and I'll be spoil for choice.


but perhaps you'll fall into this?

But i do somewhat impressed with their Clear Black Technology Display. Too bad their phones "only" use nHD resolution.


BTW what happend to HD3? it was going to anounce today or may be I am wrong its tomorrow!!!!!!


well at least they've announced Desire HD and Desire Z
[ This Message was edited by: eternal_wind on 2010-09-15 13:11 ]


Posted by Vipera ammodytes
all i can say to you guys, dont trust avmaxfan too much...

Posted by goldenface
...or don't expect too much and you won't be disappointed.

Posted by makebelieve
i am already disappointed, that TI uses SGX540 in OMAP4...it will not be comparable to other new GPUs in new SoCs, like orion from samsung... especially if SE wants to sell this device the whole of 2011,it`s realy disappointing ...because GPU is more important than CPU, for final result....

Posted by badassmam
The Desire HD announced today is probably the top phone so the Android phones for release at this time of year won't be much better. WP7 devices will top the hardware list, they will be the first to go beyond 1 GHz because its a new OS and its a great opportunity for a company to get a strong foothold in the same way that HTC is recognised for being the first for Android. Samsung and LG have multiple devices while HTC is going all out with the HD3 (announcement with MS in October hopefully). Its too early for the 'X11' and 'X12' so wait for MWC before the next big thing. If anything, it would be a good surprise if the 'X11' makes the official WP7 launch because its a new market that they should really have a device ready for. There are other companies with high spec phones coming before these two so based on their hardware, stuff should be of a similar level so by then you'll be able to tell if the specs are realistic or not.

Posted by faddie
According to some source "NO MORE ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS YEAR" Is it True???????

Posted by ashyk36
Has SE got any phone coming SOON that will rival the desire z....meaning the qwerty keyboard?.....if not I'm off to htc cuz that is exactly what I've been looking for

Posted by doministry

On 2010-09-16 00:52:32, ashyk36 wrote:
Has SE got any phone coming SOON that will rival the desire z....meaning the qwerty keyboard?.....if not I'm off to htc cuz that is exactly what I've been looking for


Read the thread, maybe X11.

Desire Z looks very tempting.

Posted by ashyk36
When's the x11 due?? I can't wait much longer....I can't get used to touch screens

Posted by Legen
could someone pliz give us an actual date wen the next announcenent might be. saying "soon" doesn't rily help nw does it. even i cn do it - sonyericsson announcement soon. and they gona be showing stuff! - see?

Posted by Xajel

On 2010-09-15 17:31:45, makebelieve wrote:
i am already disappointed, that TI uses SGX540 in OMAP4...it will not be comparable to other new GPUs in new SoCs, like orion from samsung... especially if SE wants to sell this device the whole of 2011,it`s realy disappointing ...because GPU is more important than CPU, for final result....


Let's be honest dude... is there's any game that uses the full GPU power of Satio, Vivaz, Galaxy/S ??

if having the best GPU ever will increase the price and reduce the battery life then I don't want it coz I'll never have any thing that will justify the downsides of it !! and when will I use it ? after 4 years ??

I don't say that GPU isn't important... but I prefere a very good GPU that will give me the perfect balance of everything.. but in the same time it isn't outdated and slow...

I think having a powerfull GPU is good... but going for the most powerfull one is just not good... even if want's to make X12 as the perfect gaming phone... you don't want it to cost you a fortune and to loose the battery life in less time that is required to have a nice playing round !!

Posted by Dups!
I still don't see SE announcing the next big thing in November and releasing it in January. The announcement may be on course since they tend to announce something around this time of the year but the launch date of January is questionable IMO.

To put it bluntly, avmaxfan is unreliable and has proven it by claiming HTC were going to announce the HD3 yesterday.

SE don't have the resources to launch a phone as soon as the likes of HTC or Samsung and that is unlikely to change next year, maybe around 2012.

Posted by HxH
Why? VIVAZ is good example it was announced in January and shipped in next 8-10 weeks if able to follow same route why it won't happen with new supersmart-handset

anyway, I also doubt that if will make it work

For HTC, I'm bit disappointed with only two things
First, just minor change CPU from 8250 > 8255 same clocking-wise
I have to wait till MWC2011 to see that dual core
and Battery just really small when looking at jumbo screen size of Desire HD

I also thought that because of AMOLED shortfall from Samsung
Duo Desire and Legend will cut off the line and make this new brother play in as replacement

For another thing, I still not believe if will use AMOLED in their handset if HTC acquire to use of S-LCD in their new handset.

Posted by avmaxfan
I understand that you guys don't want to believe that the X12 with the specs I mentioned will be launched soon, almost everyone all over the internet doesn't seem to believe.
So I guess I shouldn't be coming here or any other forum to share anything, if nobody wants to believe that is capable of launching a phone that will be as good as any other phone in terms of hardware.

And for those who feel I am here to seek attention or just spread fake rumors, well all I have to say is you are not right. IF I wanted to seek attention I would have gone to every single mobile discussion forum and posted about X11,X12 but I did not. Whereas some members from this site copied my posts word to word and pasted on numerous forums across the Internet. So who is the one wanting to seek attention now?

And as for the HTC HD3 and my credibility going down, I never came here to post anything about the HD3. The only reason I mentioned the HD3 was because I wanted you guys to know that isn't creating a revolution by using a 1.5 ghz processor and that other brands might infact come out with such processors even earlier than . And nope I did not have any "insider" info on the HD3 and nor did I ever mention that. I was just trying to find out the list of phones that are supposed to be out with 1.5 ghz processors soon. And HD3 was amongst the top and I read something about it being unveiled on Sep 15 th.


Another thing, AMOLED is not OWNED by SAMSUNG, SAMOLED is Samsung's AMOLED technology, but not AMOLED. HTC using AMOLED screens from Samsung doesn't mean that has to do it too.

I had mentioned earlier that Sony has used AMOLED screens earlier completely independent of SAMSUNG. And SONY's AMOLED application also had decent sunlight legibility ( if any of you have seen SONY devices with OLED you would know)

Anyways, I won't be posting here anymore. But I maintain that WILL announce the two phones in November. The X11 will be announced first and then the X12. Same goes for the phones hitting the stores too. First X11 and then X12.

Believe me or not, but is going to be back with a bang with these two phones



Posted by HxH
I see just doubt about it didn't mean not believe you man clam down!

For AMOLED matter, I also was checked that news CES early this year it just fine.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2010-09-16 14:29 ]



Posted by Dups!
@HxH

The Vivaz was nothing but a downgraded Satio. SE didn't have much to do except put a lower mp camera sensor and change the design, everything else was/is a Satio.

Now, the so called X12 has to have (presumably) Froyo, a new processor as its major assets and we all know how long it takes SE to optimize those two particular aspects of a phone.

@avmaxfan

Again, I expect SE to come out with guns blazing with regard to their next flagship(s), so, I expect nothing less of cutting edge technology since the X10 showed them that people will buy SE's phones as long as they are competitive. What I really question is your 'info' that it will be announced next month and ship in January.

Anyway, I suppose it is pointless arguing over this but best to wait for November and then January to see if your info is indeed credible. Until then I am extremely sceptical.

Posted by pavlov's_dog

On 2010-09-16 15:23:27, avmaxfan wrote:
I understand that you guys don't want to believe that the X12 with the specs I mentioned will be launched soon, almost everyone all over the internet doesn't seem to believe.
So I guess I shouldn't be coming here or any other forum to share anything, if nobody wants to believe that is capable of launching a phone that will be as good as any other phone in terms of hardware.

And for those who feel I am here to seek attention or just spread fake rumors, well all I have to say is you are not right. IF I wanted to seek attention I would have gone to every single mobile discussion forum and posted about X11,X12 but I did not. Whereas some members from this site copied my posts word to word and pasted on numerous forums across the Internet. So who is the one wanting to seek attention now?

And as for the HTC HD3 and my credibility going down, I never came here to post anything about the HD3. The only reason I mentioned the HD3 was because I wanted you guys to know that isn't creating a revolution by using a 1.5 ghz processor and that other brands might infact come out with such processors even earlier than . And nope I did not have any "insider" info on the HD3 and nor did I ever mention that. I was just trying to find out the list of phones that are supposed to be out with 1.5 ghz processors soon. And HD3 was amongst the top and I read something about it being unveiled on Sep 15 th.


Another thing, AMOLED is not OWNED by SAMSUNG, SAMOLED is Samsung's AMOLED technology, but not AMOLED. HTC using AMOLED screens from Samsung doesn't mean that has to do it too.

I had mentioned earlier that Sony has used AMOLED screens earlier completely independent of SAMSUNG. And SONY's AMOLED application also had decent sunlight legibility ( if any of you have seen SONY devices with OLED you would know)

Anyways, I won't be posting here anymore. But I maintain that WILL announce the two phones in November. The X11 will be announced first and then the X12. Same goes for the phones hitting the stores too. First X11 and then X12.

Believe me or not, but is going to be back with a bang with these two phones





Please don't go. It's been terribly boring here till you came along. hehe. Seriously, I think you are a credible source. In time we'll see though if that's true. Please continue sharing your info here. We're big boys. We've been through worse, especially with .



Posted by avmaxfan
HEhehehehehehehe

Yea i know this forum was almost dead a few weeks back

But since I don't have anything to share with you as of now ( nothing that I haven't already) so I guess I can start checking out the other threads and start posting

And yea as for the announcement-shipping delay I guess as others have mentioned the example of Vivaz, it is possible for to manage an early release.

Infact they HAVE TO if they want to continue the momentum generated by X10,X10 mini, Vivaz, hazel and Elm in 2010.

And one more thing, guys please just spend some time to go through the specs of the X12 again and ask yourself if you really think that the specs are UNREAL?????????????? If came out with anything less than those, it would doom. No doubt about that.

Now what I am interested in is if the X12 will also have an extended family like the X10 (X12 mini, X12 mino pro)

Posted by pavlov's_dog
Part of the reason why i think you have credible info is because Eldar is kinda hinting on SE having a next gen product.

Posted by avmaxfan
@Pavlov's dog

More than that the fact that both the phones are listed in the NTT DOCOMO 2010 winter release document

And as some have suggested that I used the NTT Docomo leak as a means to gain attention, I swear I did NOT see the document before I shared the info about the X11 and the X12 here. IT was I guess a day or two after I posted that this document was released and shared here on this board and I asked the members to check the document as a proof to what I had mentioned earlier.

anyways on topic,

Does anyone hav any info on upcoming feature phones?????? Or walkman/cybershot phones? I read someone saying that a OLED walkman phone is going to be launched? How true is that?


Posted by Tallbark
If what you've shared is true, and can I definately see that being the case, then I hope they make a Mini version of it. I think I might hold out for news of that instead of buying an X10 Mini this weekend as I had planned.

Posted by domipost
if there is a mini version coming, I don't see it being announced before MWC, so I won't wait for that

Posted by makebelieve
someone posted on Xdadevelopers forum:
"hi ppl . . . I am from India where we guys don't have branded phones and all. one of my good friends working at Sony Ericsson India told me last night that on 23rd Sep India and UK generic will see the update most probably . update will be ota. about 206 mb and no multi touch no 16m colours , you will be able to store apps to SD card. better timescape widget , live wallpapers,hd recording , no flash light for camera , 5 home screens.
another update in Dec which is internally known as 2.1.3 will give single fingers zoom , 16m colors and flash for the browser!!!!
x10 will see 2.2 in Feb after the release of eclario also known as x12 :-):-)"


but......
other one replied:


You nailed it until you said eclario or X12. The successor of the X10 is much more Japanese than u think. The name is actually taken from a Japanese card-battle manga character You can guess it yourselves

But didn't I ALREADY mentioned all that!?

None of those will be on it, except 1080p and 2.2 Core. Amoled? You do know Sony manufactures Super-LCD right? that's like stabbing itself in the stomach. Amoled belongs to Samsung, Sony has Super-LCD. I already said, for the X10 owners, it won't be much of a surprise. It's best to hang on to your X10's. It's purpose is for a different market.



???????????????????????!

Posted by domipost
Gotta love rumours

Posted by xenia
Yea! SE is back! Common, i see a real viral advertising here


Posted by rss_ndrsn
I like the avmaxfan's rumour better.

Posted by rss_ndrsn
Is X12's codename Yugi or Atem?

Posted by motvikt

On 2010-09-16 20:08:07, makebelieve wrote:
someone posted on Xdadevelopers forum:
"hi ppl . . . I am from India where we guys don't have branded phones and all. one of my good friends working at Sony Ericsson India told me last night that on 23rd Sep India and UK generic will see the update most probably . update will be ota. about 206 mb and no multi touch no 16m colours , you will be able to store apps to SD card. better timescape widget , live wallpapers,hd recording , no flash light for camera , 5 home screens.
another update in Dec which is internally known as 2.1.3 will give single fingers zoom , 16m colors and flash for the browser!!!!
x10 will see 2.2 in Feb after the release of eclario also known as x12 :-):-)"


but......
other one replied:


You nailed it until you said eclario or X12. The successor of the X10 is much more Japanese than u think. The name is actually taken from a Japanese card-battle manga character You can guess it yourselves

But didn't I ALREADY mentioned all that!?

None of those will be on it, except 1080p and 2.2 Core. Amoled? You do know Sony manufactures Super-LCD right? that's like stabbing itself in the stomach. Amoled belongs to Samsung, Sony has Super-LCD. I already said, for the X10 owners, it won't be much of a surprise. It's best to hang on to your X10's. It's purpose is for a different market.



???????????????????????!


This is probably the only true rumor so far. It will most likely be a small update, camera maybe. "We believe our user *xperiance* will make the difference...bla bla bla" as usual. God we always have high hopes for SE but when have they delivered? Im in a pessimistic mood today

edit. Checked that users recent post on xda and he seems legit. Posted pictures of 2.1 and some internal document. http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=44822689
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2010-09-16 20:24 ]


Posted by Legen
maybe codename is pokemon....hehe

Posted by mediar
So it's not worth waiting for X12?

Posted by badassmam
avmaxfan has got a lot of details some of which I can confirm but the time scale is way too short in my opinion and always suck in that respect. MWC is the time to expect the 'X11' and 'X12', don't worry about the screen because it will be very good and its unlikely that you could tell the difference anyhow.

Despite avmaxfan getting the HD3 announcement wrong, the rest was correct. Its more like MS are holding HTC back if anything, they want this big launch event for WP7 with a wide range of phones etc. The HD3 or HD7 will take the centre stage though.

Today the HTC HUB was leaked for WP7 so this is their attempt to add something like Sense UI to the OS. It is very nice but you can see how restrictive the OS is, its this little box on the home screen you have to go into before you get any HTC flavour at all. Touchwizz from Samsung will be added to their phones but I can't imagine how it would work or what it would look like since its widget based. Timescape and Mediascape HUBS by perhaps on the 'X11'?

The X10 won't get official Froyo, its getting 2.1 and then another 2.1 with a few further changes to it but no 2.2. Same goes for the X8 and Minis as far as I know.

A few more Symbians from and maybe some multi touch action. I would guess the software is more Androidish than Nokiaish.

Posted by avmaxfan
LOL

Codename is CLIARO.
And most recent phones codenames have been Japanese. Doesn't suggest anything about the product or it being meant only for Japan.



Posted by winnerzero
@badassmam

Thanks for the info, its always interesting reading your posts. Was wondering whether you thought it was worthwhile upgrading from X10 to X12 eventually when its released? I still love the X10, but after reading through all these threads, can't help but feel like its been somewhat underutilised by SE. Regardless, the X10 is great and I'm sure these new updates will only improve the experience. The X12 sounds like it could be a real awesome phone if released early enough.

Coming from Windows Mobile, Android has been a breath of fresh air and don't think I would consider WP7 at all after using X10. The whole of WP7 just seems so incomplete still, but I guess thats because its still first generation.

Posted by avmaxfan
And whats with people only believing that will use S-LCD????????? I mean did you ever hear of a device with a S-LCD display? Seriously...or even any SONY product with S-LCD?

NO

But have we seen and SONY devices with OLED?

YES

Posted by Ricky D
Do you guys know anything about a gyroscope or a new 'xperiascape'?
[ This Message was edited by: Ricky D on 2010-09-17 05:29 ]


Posted by Muhammad-Oli

On 2010-09-17 05:23:19, avmaxfan wrote:
And whats with people only believing that will use S-LCD????????? I mean did you ever hear of a device with a S-LCD display? Seriously...or even any SONY product with S-LCD?

NO

But have we seen and SONY devices with OLED?

YES

Considering the S-LCD venture is half owned by Sony, I wouldn't say it's such a stretch for a Sony device to come out with an S-LCD screen...

Posted by wiraperkasa

On 2010-09-17 07:12:53, Muhammad-Oli wrote:

On 2010-09-17 05:23:19, avmaxfan wrote:
And whats with people only believing that will use S-LCD????????? I mean did you ever hear of a device with a S-LCD display? Seriously...or even any SONY product with S-LCD?

NO

But have we seen and SONY devices with OLED?

YES

Considering the S-LCD venture is half owned by Sony, I wouldn't say it's such a stretch for a Sony device to come out with an S-LCD screen...



and considering sony also produce OLED for its own walkman, i wouldn't say it's such a strecth for sony device to come out with an OLED screen...

Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Of course. I think we can expect either of them.

But at the same time, I don't really care. I have never seen a bad Sony Ericsson screen even without S-LCD or OLED technology.

Posted by rss_ndrsn

On 2010-09-17 05:23:19, avmaxfan wrote:
And whats with people only believing that will use S-LCD????????? I mean did you ever hear of a device with a S-LCD display? Seriously...or even any SONY product with S-LCD?

NO

But have we seen and SONY devices with OLED?

YES


Totally agree with you. Besides, S-LCD has been around for quite sometime but still we have not seen any devices from SE or Sony having one.

These guys who find it hard to believe the X12 specs you had mentioned do not know or have totally no idea about the current trend. The specs are just about right. Haven't they heard about the Tegra 2 devices from LG or the Orion of Samsung? Let's not forget Nokia and Apple, too.

I just hope that x12 be released this christmas. I am due for a wireless contract upgrade and I can't think of any well-rounded device right now other than IPhone 4. But if SE decides start selling the phone this holiday, I can hold off buying the iPhone and wait until X12 gets released in christmas in Canada.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2010-09-17 08:50 ]



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