Posted by Legen
On 2010-09-13 07:07:22, avmaxfan wrote:
On 2010-09-13 07:00:23, pavlov's_dog wrote:
Am I hearing 720p?
Dual core 1.2GHz Snapdragon should also be there as a minimum. But I won't get my hopes too high on a very good battery life though.
Yup 1080x720 AMOLED screen
And the Xperia X11 runs a Qualcomm 1.2 ghz processor. The X12 though
runs a TI 1.5 ghz processor.
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2010-09-13 06:08 ]
holy hell! finally somethin i culd replace my hd2 with. is it jus sonyericsson or are those specs gona be common to the rest?
Posted by avmaxfan
@rss_ndrsn
I already mentioned about the screen. ITs a 4inch screen (AMOLED) with a resolution of 1080x720.
@pavlov's dog
Sorry no info on multitouch.
@legen
Well by next year these specs are gonna be par for the course for most supersmartphones.
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X12 also has a Gyroscope
Posted by pavlov's_dog
can you tell us more about the physical design of the x12? does it still follow the human curvature philosophy? and what are the materials used?
Posted by avmaxfan
@Pavlov's dog
I wish I knew how it looked
But I am guessing the X11 will follow the X2 design philosophy and X12 will follow the X10 design theme. X12 is likely to follow the human curvature philosophy too. ( This is just my guess so don't believe that this is gonna be true, it may or may not come true)
Same for materials used
No clue
P.S. IF i get any info on the design and materials used or anything else for that matter, rest assured ill share it with you all
Posted by smclion102
@ avmaxfan
Do u work in
or anybody u knw?? 
I mean Ur new here and we are just havin blind faith on you..
how do you know all these info??
Or ur just havin fun Posting stuff ??
AMOLED + 1.5ghz I kinda dont beliv this info... maybe 1.2ghz
1.5GHz dual-core Snapdragon devices to arrive at end of 2011?? how come X12 gettin 1.5ghz n this year??
n i don't know much about Texas instruments 1.5ghz .. Explain
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2010-09-13 07:27 ]
Posted by lxAMNxl
[First post
]
Wow, the X12 is looking to be something big, yet slim. So so far the specs are:
- 4" 1080x720 (1280? if not that's not really 720p I think, and also a 1.5 aspect ratio) AMOLED screen.
- 10mm thick
- TI OMAP 4 @ 1.5GHz (4430 clocks @ 1GHz while 4440 clocks higher)
- 12MP camera w/ up to 1080p recording
- Android 2.2 (for now, then 3.0?)
- Gyroscope
Pretty good. What about:
- RAM
- ROM
- Front-facing camera
- VGA, QVGA,...
- FM Radio and/or Transmitter
- Battery
- Size (width and height)
- HDMI/Micro HDMI
- MicroUSB
- 3.5mm jack
- A/V out
- LED notification
- Accelerometer
- Proximity Sensor
- Ambient light sensor
- Camera lens
- Network frequencies/bands (ie will it work on AT&T's 3G, and/or T-Mobile's, etc...)
- HSPA(+), CDMA, or HSPA(+) and CDMA
Thanks for the info
[ This Message was edited by: lxAMNxl on 2010-09-13 07:38 ]
Posted by lxAMNxl
On 2010-09-13 08:21:20, smclion102 wrote:
@ avmaxfan
Do u work in
or anybody u knw??
I mean Ur new here and we are just havin blind faith on you..
how do you know all these info??
Or ur just havin fun Posting stuff ??
AMOLED + 1.5ghz I kinda dont beliv this info... maybe 1.2ghz
1.5GHz dual-core Snapdragon devices to arrive at end of 2011?? how come X12 gettin 1.5ghz n this year??
n i don't know much about Texas instruments 1.5ghz .. Explain
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2010-09-13 07:27 ]
What do you mean AMOLED + 1.5GHz not possible? Which one? AMOLED exists already, maybe it's the next gen AMOLED. However, I'm guessing that it might be IPS like the iPhone 4 since AMOLED can't support anything higher than WVGA.
Dual-core Snapdragon won't be out in smartphones until next year, but he said TI for the X12. For the X11 I think SE might use the newer MSM 7 or MSM 8.
The one that SE might use for the X12 is the TI OMAP 4440 which clocks higher than 1GHz, and is also dual-core. It also has the POWERVR SGX540 GPU which is also used in the Samsung Galaxy S. A very powerful SoC indeed, both for processing instructions, and for graphics/gaming.
Posted by avmaxfan
@smclion102
I guess what should matter more is the fact that whatever info I have shared here is not fake
Anyways let me tell you that the X12 is not gonna be the first device to get 1.5 ghz processor, HTC will showcase the HD3 with 1.5 ghz processor in two days.
TI OMAP 4 processor is the one being used in the X12. You can Google it for more info
P.S. I never mentioned 1.5 ghz "snapdragon"
@lxAMNxl
Sorry buddy no info on any of those
Will update once I get any
Posted by Ricky D
Didn't the Qualcomm CEO recently say 1.5GHz chips for Q1 only to be corrected by his PR team that it's 1.2GHz for Q1 and 1.5GHz later in the year?
Posted by avmaxfan
On 2010-09-13 08:47:28, Ricky D wrote:
Didn't the Qualcomm CEO recently say 1.5GHz chips for Q1 only to be corrected by his PR team that it's 1.2GHz for Q1 and 1.5GHz later in the year?
I never mentioned 1.5 ghz Qualcomm for X12
I repeat, X12 uses a TI OMAP 4 1.5 ghz processor.
X11 though uses Qualcomm 1.2 ghz processor.
And before someone else starts accusing me of providing wrong info, please read the following excerpt from the PCmag article on the Qualcomm 1.5 ghz processors not being available until later next year and 1.2 ghz processors being available from Q1 2011.
"Apparently he meant the 1.2GHz dual-core chips will be coming then, which makes much more sense as they've been sent out to manufacturers to begin popping them into handsets."
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2010-09-13 07:56 ]
Posted by lxAMNxl
On 2010-09-13 08:41:17, avmaxfan wrote:
@smclion102
I guess what should matter more is the fact that whatever info I have shared here is not fake
Anyways let me tell you that the X12 is not gonna be the first device to get 1.5 ghz processor, HTC will showcase the HD3 with 1.5 ghz processor in two days.
TI OMAP 4 processor is the one being used in the X12. You can Google it for more info
P.S. I never mentioned 1.5 ghz "snapdragon"
@lxAMNxl
Sorry buddy no info on any of those
Will update once I get any
Oh wow, so the HD3 does exist. I wonder if it's the "Scorpion" that will sell next year and has a 8MP camera? Any more info about that?
It's alright
. Thanks
Posted by smclion102
@ avmaxfan @ lxAMNxl
Yes he didn't mention abt "snapdragon" . i dono much abt processors that y i asked.
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We haven't seen any
AMOLED so was having second thoughts. And AMOLED sucks under direct sunlight 
TFT display was much better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58gZzqvqhRk&feature=related
Posted by domipost
Dunno bout all the SE info, doesn't sound very likely to me, but who knows. I'm pretty sure HTC won't show the HD3 in two day's though. We'll probably see the Desire HD and Desire Z, with maybe a third Android-device. We'll see...
Posted by avmaxfan
@domipost
Just google HTC HD3 for news and you'll get all the info
Its being unveiled on Sep 15th.
@smclion102
Yup "we" haven't seen
AMOLED but Japan sure has. The S001 featured a 3.3 inch AMOLED screen. So the X12 will be the first AMOLED globally [ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2010-09-13 08:27 ]
Posted by domipost
I know that rumour, but as far as I know it's fake and this wednesday will be Android-only. So that means that the HD3 will be announced later.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
OMAP 4440 for Q4 2010 is possible. "TI's OMAP 4 platform and development tools are expected to sample in the second half of 2009, with production expected by the second half of 2010."
Posted by avmaxfan
@rss_ndrsn
Not only is it possible, its been fitted onto the X12 and has been under testing at
labs [ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2010-09-13 08:47 ]
Posted by rss_ndrsn
I can't help but notice the similarity of the X12 specs to what I had posted on several pages back and on another thread about the minimum specs of X10's successor to guarantee commercial success. X12 may not be confirmed yet but if it turned out to be true, then I would totally laugh my ass off.
Posted by avmaxfan
@rss_ndrsn
Hehehehe
You were quite close
Posted by wiraperkasa
@rss_ndrsn
seems like
listens to your wish 
Posted by makebelieve
and is there phones with similar specs from other manufacturers? this year of course...
Posted by avmaxfan
@makebelieve
This year not likely, but if one manufacturer can that's gotta be Motorola.
(Android that is) WP7 phones that will be announced soon are gonna be on par I guess with the X12 specs.
But Android maybe Moto might come up with something, but the others- HTC, Samsung, etc don't have anything as powerful planned for this year.
Posted by avmaxfan
I request all esato members to please keep the info shared here to themselves
I noticed that since the past 24 hours the info I shared here has made it to a lot of other forums and released in the form of articles on some blogs and sites too.
I hope you all understand that widespread leak of info about X11 and X12 is not good for
. So if you care about please keep the info to yourself.
Do not discuss or share anywhere else on the internet. Please
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2010-09-13 10:10 ]
Posted by smclion102
@avmaxfan
If
announces X11 or X12 in Nov then we sud expect Release by Feb/March ???
so this wont be a holiday release ?? rite?
Posted by smclion102
@avmaxfan
Too Late avmaxfan
Already this rumors have been posted in many blogs
If Image leaks comes then
will have prob otherwise it wont be an issue 
Posted by tyko
Do your self a favour and dont get to carried away, I smell something and its not flowers... I like to believe it but I dont. Hope you prove me wrong!
Posted by serega
@avmaxfan
And how about this?
...according to comments made by Peter Dille, a senior vice president at Sony:
-No new mobile launches this year
-No new mobile launches this year
Posted by goldenface
I'd be really surprised if the SO-01C / Xperia X10 successor wasn't announced in November. The SO-01C is already listed in DoCoMo's winter line-up, although no mention of specs.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-09-13 11:06 ]
Posted by avmaxfan
X12 launch date finalized
January 14 2011
(Note this is the International launch date NOT NTT Docomo Japan launch date)
@serega
I already gave my comments on that earlier in the thread. Please check
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2010-09-13 11:14 ]
Posted by goldenface
Is that announcement or shipping?
Posted by avmaxfan
Shipping. Announcement is in November.
Posted by Ricky D
@avmax Certainly sounds like good news. Like most here we hope you're right but aren't getting too excited as we've been disappointed before.
Posted by CELL-P
On 2010-09-13 12:35:14, Ricky D wrote:
@avmax Certainly sounds like good news. Like most here we hope you're right but aren't getting too excited as we've been disappointed before.
I have been disappointed too many times to be excited about something like this now. Honestly, I am not expecting anything exciting.
Posted by avmaxfan
@All
2010 has been a good year for
. They are back in the black making profits, have introduced some very interesting phones in the Vivaz, X10, X10 mini, hazel and Elm.
X10 has been one of the main reasons behind the revival of
,(its the fastest selling smartphone in NTT docomo) selling quite well in most markets. And though it was launched early this year, even today it does hold well against the best of smart phones in the market right now as far as hardware goes.
X11 and X12 are indeed very strong as far as hardware goes, but then none of you should be surprised because we are looking at devices that will sell through at least the whole of 2011 and 2011 will see many more devices with same or even better hardware than X11 and X12. So I think nobody should actually feel that the specifications of both the devices are in anyway too good to be true or out of this world. They are at best par for the course with what the competition will offer.
So the challenge for
is in how it takes care of the software part and other aspects of actually convincing buyers that the X11 or X12 is better than the rest. And I also hope that with the X11 and X12 will speed up the software development side, and not disappoint like with the X10.
Talking about the software, the X12 will have a very unique User Interface. It will be a lot different from the X10 as
have for the X12 concentrated much more on the UXP than with the X10. It will have a unique Xperia Interface and will differ slightly software wise from other Android 2.2 competitors.
But will the 12 mp camera, powerful chipset and unique UI be enough to take
to the next big level? Only time will tell. I hope we are not dissapointed, and the X11 and X12 take back to the heights it was a few years back and pave way for much better phones and faster launch of the Supersmartphones expected in late 2011/2012.
Posted by tranced
Thanks for the heads up. I start to believe what Texeira said in am interview he had when the opening of the new SE HQ at Atlanta. They're concentrated at user experience rather the software.
Posted by pavlov's_dog
they should ship before Christmas. By january nobody's got money anymore.
Posted by tranced
Or Q2.
Posted by makebelieve
Hm....OMAP 4440 has same GPU as the Hummingbird from samsung...
and samsung claims 5x graphics performance of previous generation GPU (PowerVR SGX540, used in OMAP4)
that is bad news
...OK, what that mean, samsungs new Galaxy phones in 2011 will have 5x GPU performance of SE X12?!
Posted by Shino03
@avmaxfan, I'm quite hopeful for these two phones but let's face it. These two phones will never be the breadwinner of SE. What I'm trying to say is; Any info about upcoming midrange SE androids? The x8 could have been perfect if it only had a proper cam. If Se really want to be the 2nd top android manufacturer then they should have at least 3 or 5.. Just like what Samsung is doing, right?
P.S. I know the x10 mini are available but any upcoming NORMAL midrange androids aside from those?
Posted by HxH
Most slimmest equipped with Xenon is Moto XT701 as I can see, it about 10.9 mm even though the review from GSMArena quite not good.
N8 from Nokia is about 13mm same as SATIO (17mm if included stylish lens cover) and M8910 from Samsung go up to 14mm.
As myself heard of AMOLED I'm bit of disappointed, okay it less power consumption but under sunlight it will be nightmare.
I would guess most supply from Samsung it dilemma as
use Symbian from Nokia
HTC Desire for example new unit has move into SLCD instead because short of supplying they can't produce enough as demanding needed and heard of inaccuracy touch experienced in some unit.
I hope
was about learnt from X10 experienced about late update OS and won't make it second mess.
I love
design-wise and their design-philosophy but also looking for good enough software even OS further support it still in doubt as EU project was launched in late 2009.
(They reducing firmware supported each model only 2 times as SATIO AINO for example only except of X10 I saw lot minors and will be major revamp soon - 2 times it out in six months half of handset life cycle I didn't expect of Apple did to Iphone but please at least 1 year of software supported Am I asking too much? >_____________
Posted by avmaxfan
Guys SAMOLED is Samsung's technology. But not AMOLED. SONY has been using OLED in its walkman Mp3 players since sometime now, and also in S001 Japan only phone. Sony will use its own OLED technology not Samsungs's SAMOLED.
And SONY is a competitor to Samsung in AMOLED displays also, SONY at CES showcased a larger OLED TV prototype than Samsung and it was also arguably better than Samsung's OLED prototype in terms of quality.
Posted by HxH
Thanks for info again that clarify to my doubt!
Btw, SS is trend-setter about this in handset
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2010-09-13 17:14 ]
Posted by makebelieve
@avmaxfan
but SAMOLED has better picture quality, than AMOLED...and has better outdoor performance too..
anyway, OMAP 4440 uses PowerVR SGX540 GPU, right?
and screen must be 1280x720 not 1080x720, if it has 16:9 aspect ratio...
and what about X11 screen and camera?
[ This Message was edited by: makebelieve on 2010-09-13 17:24 ]
Posted by Legen
could you guys stop tryna poke holes in avmaxfan's statements. he's provided us with quite a bit of info. be grateful
Posted by echo.shane
Whats the info on the qwerty hardward. I need a physical qwerty keyboard phone from sony ericsson.
Posted by wiraperkasa
according to avmaxfan info,x11 should provide qwerty keypad...
Posted by rss_ndrsn
On 2010-09-13 15:20:37, makebelieve wrote:
Hm....OMAP 4440 has same GPU as the Hummingbird from samsung...
and samsung claims 5x graphics performance of previous generation GPU (PowerVR SGX540, used in OMAP4)
that is bad news
...OK, what that mean, samsungs new Galaxy phones in 2011 will have 5x GPU performance of SE X12?!
As far as I know, it is possible to have up to 4 POWERVR™ SGX540 cores in a device. Also, Sony is rumoured to have licensed to have up to 8 cores of PowerVR SGX545 in the next PSP2, which is about 500 million polygons/second in total.
We just have to wait and see.
Posted by MNX1024
I just hope the X12 would have Pentaband 3G like the N8. This means that we can actually have a choice when choosing carriers.
Also, how much would it cost for this? Do hope that SE won't charge us an arm and a leg like they did with the X10 launch.
Posted by Ricky D
Of course this will be expensive. I'm looking around my flat at what I can sell to make up the extra cash.
Posted by se_dude
Err the X10 was hardly too expensive given the price of other smartphones in the range.