Posted by S4k1s
On 2010-07-12 01:11:21, rss_ndrsn wrote:
On 2010-07-10 07:19:07, mediar wrote:
There was a topic where you could write what your dream phone is. Don't spam this thread.
Maybe he meant to write "trolling", u know, the word I often associate your posts with.
Posted by mediar
On 2010-07-12 01:11:21, rss_ndrsn wrote:
In order to say that a member is spamming the thread he or she should have posted multiple replies in short period of time. Looking at the two posts before yours, it is clear that two "different" members made those replies and no spamming really occured.
They might me from two different members, but both are in offtopic.
Posted by synn
No no, it's pretty much spamming. Posting something that no one is interested to read about.
If SE (Or any company for that matter) made a phone that perfectly corresponded to the wishlist of each internet poster who makes one up, they'd be selling fifteen thousand different models to approximately one customer each.
Posted by kreacher
^ Not to mention that probably none of the members would buy their dream phone because of the high price.
Posted by my ninja
feels like kindergarten when the lights go out, it means be quiet, and the anal retentives shhhhh the ppl talking as if they arent making noise by shhhh'ing ...
suffice to say, telling me not to spam, is just as off topic as my post.
SE is going to release phones this fall.
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2010-07-12 08:15 ]
Posted by XPHCTOC
I don't know what to think about it but Sony Ericsson is listed as a company that will release a windows phone 7 device "within the year" source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/[....]hp-slate-promised-at-wpc-2010/
Posted by Dups!
'within the year?'
Ha! Not SE, highly unlikely.
My reality tells me we will likely see LG first with the Windows 7 phone this year, followed by HTC and then Samsung.
Some time next year we will then see SE's Windows 7 phone.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
@S4k1s
Oh, you mean like your post above?
mediar
What's the relevancy of your post anyway?
synn
Oh yes, it is spamming because SE is really needs another high-end smartphone which features should be similar to what I wrote on my post if they hope to make it sell. Could not agree more with the high price, of course who would buy that kind of device if there is N8 around the corner who packed slightly better feature but has a lower price, not to mention, HTC Evo and HTC Droid X.
Well, it is safe to conclude that based on the last posts by the three of you, you are the ones spamming these thread (according to your own definition of course).
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Badassmam can probably answer the question whether there's more to expect from SE this year. But as far as I remember, he said that the announcement in September are for the next year's devices.
I wonder what ever happened to the N8 competitor ? Eldar said before that SE is working on a Vivaz-like device but with 12 megapixel cam. Will it ever get announced, or is it cancelled already? I have not heard anything about that Vivaz-like device since Eldar mentioned it.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2010-07-12 19:09 ]
Posted by rizzamarv
I am currently using Vivaz and eventhough the hardware is great the software is driving me nuts... even with SPB Mobileshell on top Symbian sucks big time compared to the power of WM on my X1 before (sadly drowned it on a bad night out
). Am seriously considering Aspen since I have been looking for a good Qwerty candybar for a long time now...
@badassmam
Does any manufacturer have a WM7 Candybar in the pipes or is it going to be touchscreen and slide out qwertys all the way?
Posted by S4k1s
@rss_ndrsn: Maybe you need to use a dictionary and look up some words and see what they mean before u use smiley's ok
Posted by sealover94
Go get a GALAXY S SAMSUNG ... and close this thread
Sonyericsson is dead already ...
Posted by >500
On 2010-07-13 08:40:47, sealover94 wrote:
Go get a GALAXY S SAMSUNG ... and close this thread
Sonyericsson is dead already ...
i take it you haven't been reading up on user reports of the galaxy s? better still, have you (genuinely) used one...
anyway.... nothing to do with rumours...
moving on...
[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2010-07-13 08:39 ]
Posted by badassmam
@rizzamarv
Take a look at Dell, they have some WP7 stunners and with different form factors. I don't think they've been out in the wild yet but I hope they all make the release.
I think the X8 is the last release for the year, phones at the next announcement will be available in 2011. They are under pressure to announce the WP7 phone sooner than later because there will already be a number of devices available at the official WP7 release around November. It would be suicide not to publicly declare they have something worth waiting for because they know that there are some mega spec devices coming, all high end going beyond any current device. If you look at the WP7 requirements, you know what to expect.
In terms of sales,
have done well with the X10 but the Symbian situation is quite bad at the moment. As good as the N8 is, the OS may fail it so won't be throwing out loads of Symbain devices. A 12MP Android would be a smart move to make because the X10 at its ridiculous price is doing very well so you imagine that they could get away with a 12MP version. I think that Joe Public would go for Android over Symbain in this type of feature phone.
Some rumbles about the
laptop which suggests an announcement soon maybe. Some were joking about it appearing in the new Metal Gear Solid 5 game but that's probably a joke only. The MGS5 game is Sony exclusive not the MGS Rising thing, I seem to recall a baddie in MGS4 with a flip phone.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
On 2010-07-13 06:48:50, S4k1s wrote:
@rss_ndrsn: Maybe you need to use a dictionary and look up some words and see what they mean before u use smiley's ok
Practice what you preach.
Posted by goldenface
I know the x10 has done pretty well but one of the negative points with some critics was the all plastic housing. Will SE ever experiment with metal casings?
Posted by rss_ndrsn
@Badassmam
Does SE have plan on developing a high-end phone using their own OS? Will PlayTV be incorporated in some high-end SE phone in the future?
Posted by rizzamarv
@badassmam
thanks for the great info as always. Have seen the Dell leeks and am especially interested in Lightning (although the size does worry me a little) but love the formfactor! However one major problem for me would be that they are not continuing Skype on WP7. Or does it just mean Skype will be incorporated like an App instead of a prog? The reason being I am Abroad for 8 of 12 months a year and Skype is absolutly essential for me....
Futhermore its not
Aspen might not be high end in many aspects but it does serve all of my business needs and for multimedia I'll just have to stick to my Ipod touch...
Really cannot understand that SE doesn't offer an Android Qwerty for business users (minis don't count
)
Posted by goldenface
Aino II?
Posted by bronxdude
I think this is the one that has no BT headset and no dock, only the phone plus another headset which will cost less than 50 euros off the regular aino package
[ This Message was edited by: bronxdude on 2010-07-15 16:10 ]
Posted by FMW300
I think this is the one that has no BT headset and no dock, only the phone plus another headset which will cost less than 50 euros off the regular aino package
If this is the case, isn't this old news? Haven't we already heard about an Aino back in May with less in the packaging that will be cheaper? 2gb Memory card, no BT headset, no charging dock.
SE-Blog
Unless this is something else....
[ This Message was edited by: FMW300i on 2010-07-15 18:29 ]
Posted by bronxdude
On 2010-07-15 19:24:28, FMW300i wrote:
I think this is the one that has no BT headset and no dock, only the phone plus another headset which will cost less than 50 euros off the regular aino package
If this is the case, isn't this old news? Haven't we already heard about an Aino back in May with less in the packaging that will be cheaper? 2gb Memory card, no BT headset, no charging dock.
SE-Blog
Unless this is something else....
[ This Message was edited by: FMW300i on 2010-07-15 18:29 ]
I wrote that article.
Apparently, one of my fellow Aino users already received a package like that.
Pics below:
Thanks to buntoo for the pics
Posted by goldenface
CEO Bert Nordberg believes the company will probably stop building phones around either Symbian or Windows Mobile.
Posted by se_dude
Any leaks? Any at all?
Posted by doministry
On 2010-07-20 10:45:55, goldenface wrote:
CEO Bert Nordberg believes the company will probably stop building phones around either Symbian or Windows Mobile.
LOL. That's intriguing.
Hopefully they'll ditch Symbian.....
Posted by Domecot
Hopefully they'll ditch Symbian.....
I second that!
Posted by djin
i hope they ditch windows mobile instead.. the vivaz has sold pretty good too, probably better than any wm phones they hav had out there... so i doubt they would drop symbian..plus wm7 has more services running which are against sony, such as xbox live, etc..
Posted by goldenface
Well I think the time for SE to stop hedging it's bets has come and gone. Android's market share has gone from less than two percent to over nine in a year and it's safe to say Android will be well represented in future SE devices.
I've no idea which they will drop. The Symbian OS tends to be the achilles heel in many a review I've seen on the Vivaz. It rarely gets an allround thumbs-up because of it.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-07-20 22:19 ]
Posted by doministry
On 2010-07-20 23:15:10, goldenface wrote:
Well I think the time for SE to stop hedging it's bets has come and gone. Android's market share has gone from less than two percent to over nine in a year and it's safe to say Android will be well represented in future SE devices.
I've no idea which they will drop. The Symbian OS tends to be the achilles heel in many a review I've seen on the Vivaz. It rarely gets an allround thumbs-up because of it.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-07-20 22:19 ]
Plus WP7 seems to be really hot even if it will have some limitations in the beginning...
And will bring super power devices soon, which Symbian will not, or will much later...
Posted by Phoner
If SE are thinking about the future they should stop building on the backhanded Symbian. Leave it with its problems to Nokia where it belongs.
[ This Message was edited by: Phoner on 2010-07-21 09:05 ]
Posted by Dups!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, SYMBIAN'S GOT TO GO!
It is being relegated to mid-end by Nokia and Samsung is busy with its Bada OS and not so keen on 'Nokia's OS'
SE is going high-end and it would not make sense to compete with the likes of Nokia using the same OS on high-end phones while Nokia is using it on low to mid-end phones. The one thing that would sway SE is Symbian's market, it is falling but still lucrative for them. Windows, on the other hand, is expensive for them to use.
I would rather they go with Windows as it is in line with their ambitions of being mainly a high-end manufacturer and the OS has potential to be very competitive.
Posted by goldenface
I agree. Symbian seems to have plenty catching up to do. HTC's WM devices and Nokia's are in leagues of their own right now.
I'd still like to see a killer full touch Walkman, I can't help thinking that such a phone is missing from the portfolio.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
I do not think that keeping Symbian is a bad choice, at least for now. SE has to wait until the end of 2011 before deciding which of the platform to let go. As I have said on my previous posts, MeeGo is something to look forward to. Its cross platform compatibility with Symbian makes it tempting to develop applications for. But I definitely agree that the focus should be on Android phones.
Please SE, just one more high-end Android phone this year and SE fans will surely be happy (a phone with features set similar to one that I had posted.
Posted by bronxdude
On 2010-07-21 22:29:47, goldenface wrote:
I'd still like to see a killer full touch Walkman, I can't help thinking that such a phone is missing from the portfolio.
This is also what I want. But
is not realizing this phone's need as of the moment.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
^It's actually not a good idea. Current Android phones in the market and IPhone 4 do not only serve as great music players, but also good pocket cameras and portable video players. Music-centric phone is just not enough. It has to be a phone with almost every feature that it can have plus a feature that set it apart from the competition.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2010-07-22 00:48 ]
Posted by Consumology
Yes, and that feature for me is clear: Camera with cover and better specs or at least results than Satio! Also C905 or C902 have no real successors, right?
But what OS is really suited for a really good Smartphone/Entertainment/Camera phone combination? Android has problems with video calling implementation obviously and the new Symbian is not hip or spread enough for most people. The new Windows with its limitations is probably out of the question. Difficult decision for SE or any other manufacturer who wants to make such a phone soon.
Posted by doministry
On 2010-07-22 02:08:16, Consumology wrote:
Yes, and that feature for me is clear: Camera with cover and better specs or at least results than Satio! Also C905 or C902 have no real successors, right?
But what OS is really suited for a really good Smartphone/Entertainment/Camera phone combination? Android has problems with video calling implementation obviously and the new Symbian is not hip or spread enough for most people. The new Windows with its limitations is probably out of the question. Difficult decision for SE or any other manufacturer who wants to make such a phone soon.
It's actually just opposite. New WindowsPhone 7 will be great for entertainment.
Posted by jj03
defo drop windows. I read this morning that at a windows 7 presentation, a few dev's were very unhappy with it. I'll try and post link later in the correct thread. Regardless, se should leave symbian alone and focus on their own problems. I like s60 5th, despite its clunkiness. I have a galaxy S and although i love it, it feels a bit bare. This will be my last android until its much more developed. Still got my trusty omnia hd. Thankgod.
Posted by doministry
But definitely WP7 is the future, while Symbian is more and more behind.
Posted by doministry
On 2010-07-22 19:22:00, jj03 wrote:
defo drop windows. I read this morning that at a windows 7 presentation, a few dev's were very unhappy with it. I'll try and post link later in the correct thread. Regardless, se should leave symbian alone and focus on their own problems. I like s60 5th, despite its clunkiness. I have a galaxy S and although i love it, it feels a bit bare. This will be my last android until its much more developed. Still got my trusty omnia hd. Thankgod.
I don't get finally what platform they should use in your opinion.
Posted by badassmam
Microsoft are making Bing the only available search engine on WP7 so there you go, they're not going to let you do much with the OS. There are heavy restrictions on what can be done so forget about customisations. The thing about Android is that you could hate the stock OS but you jump on the App store and get the software that you like and just use that. I really dislike the HUB thing on WP7, its really ugly and I don't think you can change it either. Some of the things you want are so deep in the menu so its literally like turning loads of pages of a book before you get there. A basic list or grid would be nice but its all very flashy now.
I'm waiting for the final build to pass a full judgement, you need to test it in normal life to really decide. Right now, iPhone and Android are miles ahead so WP7 has to be that damn good when its released. I also think you would need a business user to give it a go, it could be perfect for them since they are the target market.
Posted by Consumology
It seems they will go for Android and WinPhone7 rather than Symbian if this article is true: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100722PD210.html I just hope they will not choose WinPhone7 for the Satio successor, I don't like it personally and also what badassman wrote does not sound promising.
In a German article they quoted some analyst data that suggests WinPhone7 will not stand a chance at least at the beginning. http://www.heise.de/newsticke[....]kommen-zum-Winter-1043585.html
@badassman: Is the 12MP Android you heard about more like the Satio successor (if there is one) or is it more like X10 with 12MP?
Posted by juris15
i dont think so... Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 manufacturers: ASUS, Dell, HTC, LG, and Samsung all on board
They didnt mention
...
edit: or at least this year
Greg Sullivan, senior product manager for Microsoft, told Pocket-lint that we could expect handsets from Dell, Asus, LG, HTC, and Samsung at the launch later this year.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/ne[....]indows-phone-7-launch-partners
[ This Message was edited by: juris15 on 2010-07-22 22:38 ]
Posted by badassmam
weren't mentioned because they are only offering a single device.
A 12MP Android is something that was mentioned to me once but I have no evidence that it actually exists.
For WP7, it has its drawbacks and the lack of customisation is something people don't like, developers are being limited so they're not happy and it means that the apps may not be great with the flip side that apps are great but very few in number. If you look at older WM, they were slammed to start with but as they matured, people got more into it like WM 6.5 which even I liked but my X1 really struggled with it.
With regards to Symbian, for touch screens its a whack OS but look at the Nokia E series phones which are non-touch, they are fantastic. Maybe if
go down this route with Symbian and look at entering the Blackberry segment which is massive, they could find more joy. Android touch, Symbian non-touch and WP7 for high end business perhaps.
With regards to Walkman phones, I guess we will only get low ends. Everyone these days has some sort of music player. The iPhone is a hate it or love it thing but its the best iPod. Even those who don't have an iPhone will have an iPod. There's always space for a high end Walkman.
Posted by doministry
On 2010-07-22 23:37:00, badassmam wrote:
weren't mentioned because they are only offering a single device.
A 12MP Android is something that was mentioned to me once but I have no evidence that it actually exists.
For WP7, it has its drawbacks and the lack of customisation is something people don't like, developers are being limited so they're not happy and it means that the apps may not be great with the flip side that apps are great but very few in number. If you look at older WM, they were slammed to start with but as they matured, people got more into it like WM 6.5 which even I liked but my X1 really struggled with it.
With regards to Symbian, for touch screens its a whack OS but look at the Nokia E series phones which are non-touch, they are fantastic. Maybe if
go down this route with Symbian and look at entering the Blackberry segment which is massive, they could find more joy. Android touch, Symbian non-touch and WP7 for high end business perhaps.
With regards to Walkman phones, I guess we will only get low ends. Everyone these days has some sort of music player. The iPhone is a hate it or love it thing but its the best iPod. Even those who don't have an iPhone will have an iPod. There's always space for a high end Walkman.
Well I agree on limitations regarding START of WP7.
And I know SE likes to customize devices.
However it can do miles more than Android or iOS could at start.
Real life will tell, but I think it will develop through time. I also think Google will
make WP7 app.....
As for developers, remember how iPhone is restricted yet look at the number of apps in the app store.
There are also signs of things to come with WP7 upgrades.
I think Microsoft designs something with power and future.
Symbian looks already old.
Funny, but WM 6.5.3 on my X2 looks 5 years younger than Symbian 3.
Also remember - WP7 will bring a very powerful hardware out of the box.
People who touched it live say it's impressive....
I think those makers quoted above are launch partners.
SE will join later.
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2010-07-22 23:26 ]
Posted by XPHCTOC
It's very sad to see the lack of responsiveness of this company. They should have hired more android developers to update their android experience. Initially UXP was a great idea but waiting 6 months to get the 2.1 upgrade and not the froyo one sounds like a joke. Motorolad droid 2 will be released in August with 2.2... Two years ago we were a lot of
aficionados at esato (I remember that this thread had more that 950pages on the same date ). Innovate or die!
Posted by bronxdude
On 2010-07-22 23:37:00, badassmam wrote:
With regards to Walkman phones, I guess we will only get low ends. Everyone these days has some sort of music player. The iPhone is a hate it or love it thing but its the best iPod. Even those who don't have an iPhone will have an iPod. There's always space for a high end Walkman.
As a walkman phone fan, I agree, there's always space for it. But
is not seeing its potential, which makes me sad, because honestly, imo, walkman with android can beat the iphone. as long as they have the right essentials (8mp cam with led flash or photolight, 3.5mm jack at least 3.2 inches screen, full touch, variety of colors)
i dont have an ipod, but i have sony walkman x-series. beats the hell out of the ipod. the good thing about ipod is the application thing. you get massive apps and games.
Posted by goldenface
@bronxdude
Amen. I couldn't have put it better myself. Add to that a high quality alloy housing and a set of super high quality earphones and I'm sold.
C mon SE. Where's ya balls?
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2010-07-23 08:33:32, bronxdude wrote:
i dont have an ipod, but i have sony walkman x-series. beats the hell out of the ipod. the good thing about ipod is the application thing. you get massive apps and games.
Beats the hell out of near anything music quality wise, but fails dramatically in the software department. I have one too and love it to bits, but it really is no iPod Touch rival. Apps are what sell phones really.
Posted by goldenface
Sky news is reviewing smart phones right now....wm7 looks pretty good.
Posted by doministry
On 2010-07-23 20:37:51, goldenface wrote:
Sky news is reviewing smart phones right now....wm7 looks pretty good.
Sure........