Posted by Dups!
I've always said that SE should dump Symbian and I still maintain that to this day! If Symbian was a case of merging S60 into UIQ then Symbian would've had a chance.
I agree with pavlov's dog, it is time SE goes with Android and OSE thereby ensuring that their limited resources are used effectively. They can easily cut down release times with just two platforms to work on.
Nokia screwed up by insisting on S60 being the core of the 'new' Symbian OS. What do you expect when they hold so much power and SE's UIQ was not commanding as much market share as S60?
SE should do like Motorola, the latter is really firing on all cylinders and I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years's time they are back in the top 5 manufacturers bracket in term of market share.
Posted by Phoner
^ Fully agree with you. Android is the future and todays S60 without any UIQ heritage is totally outdated.
Posted by doministry
Nokia switching from Symbian to MeeGo on Nseries....
So Symbian couldn't do it....
But I stongly believe - Android AND WP7 is the way to go.
It will be a great platform, maybe not at start but later for sure.
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2010-06-25 20:08 ]
Posted by HxH
My next will definitely not Symbian just really hate it being with Satio's Symbian Experienced is enough
Posted by rss_ndrsn
MeeGo is a force to reckon with in the smartphone OS's. It will surely give Android and WMP7 run for their money once a more advanced version has been finalized.
What if Nokia sold the Symbian Foundation to SE or Sony, would Symbian's glory be revived? I still rememeber clearly the UI concept of SE for UIQ and it was amazing, more like an early version of SE's Android UI Layer.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2010-06-25 20:33 ]
Posted by pavlov's_dog
meego schmeego.. even the name of the OS itself doesn't sound very marketable. The game has drastically changed. It's all about third party support now. without an app market, an OS just wouldn't survive the competition.
Posted by hammera
Apologies for the rant but as people who obviously care about tech we should at least get the basic facts straight (if we don't then how the hell will Joe Public?).
Nokia couldn't sell Symbian to SE or anyone else even if they wanted to because they don't own it! The Symbian Foundation is owned by its members. It is a company limited by guarantee, so does not have a share capital (therefore the members do not hold shares in the Symbian Foundation). Yes, Nokia are the biggest contributor (and they probably will be for some time to come) but they are just ONE of the board members (the others being Fujitsu, Samsung, SE, AT&T Mobility LLC, NTT DoCoMo, Qualcommr, ST Microelectronics , TI and Vodafone). All of this is readily available on Symbian.org and is worth reading at least once if you want to talk from a mildly authoritative position.
With regard to MeeGo, how it be a force to reckon with? There are no products to see yet and even how it will look on smartphone class equipment isn't fully known as all we've really seen is the netbook ui.
And as far as the "Nokia is dumping Symbian for Meego" myth that is floating about, take a look at this on AllAboutSymbian for the full story. Nokia have been quite open about their Symbian/Meego(Maemo) strategy for quite a while.
End of first (and hopefully last) rant.
Posted by Dups!
Yeah, Schmeego or should I write Meego sounds horrible indeed! Of course, it has nothing to do with the name but I still say Nokia have a huge mountain to climb.
Meego may be quite a powerful OS but it is no longer like the old days when Symbian had no competition. Android and IOS are deeply entrenched as it is and Meego will struggle.
I don't see Meego catching up to Android and IOS, dare I say Nokia has shot itself in the foot on this one.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
On 2010-06-25 22:31:02, hammera wrote:
Apologies for the rant but as people who obviously care about tech we should at least get the basic facts straight (if we don't then how the hell will Joe Public?).
Nokia couldn't sell Symbian to SE or anyone else even if they wanted to because they don't own it! The Symbian Foundation is owned by its members. It is a company limited by guarantee, so does not have a share capital (therefore the members do not hold shares in the Symbian Foundation). Yes, Nokia are the biggest contributor (and they probably will be for some time to come) but they are just ONE of the board members (the others being Fujitsu, Samsung, SE, AT&T Mobility LLC, NTT DoCoMo, Qualcommr, ST Microelectronics , TI and Vodafone). All of this is readily available on Symbian.org and is worth reading at least once if you want to talk from a mildly authoritative position.
OK. Yes you were right about that. But as far as I know Nokia bought Symbian. Even though they donated it to Symbian Foundation, it's just their way to show that Symbian is finally open source (by looking at path that SF has taken since its foundation, you can actually see that everything has gone the Nokia's way and Nokia has the most number of phones running Symbian V1/2). So I will stand on my belief that Nokia still owns Symbian.
With regard to MeeGo, how it be a force to reckon with? There are no products to see yet and even how it will look on smartphone class equipment isn't fully known as all we've really seen is the netbook ui.
Having seen the video samples of the Meego running on some devices, I prefer it better than Android or WM7. And the Meego v1.1 will be released on October, 2010 which adds support for handsets and tablets. According to a document that was found hidden on meego's site, the Meego UI will be a mixed of Android and WebOS. It may be too early to tell that it Meego a force to reckon with but I am sure it will be.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2010-06-26 18:36 ]
Posted by king-james
Does anyone know the date of the next announcement??? I can't wait. Want see real high-end devices...
Posted by badassmam
September or November for a first look at something, won't be released until 2011. This is likely to be the WP7 device, no idea about anything else.
Posted by doministry
On 2010-06-26 13:58:49, badassmam wrote:
September or November for a first look at something, won't be released until 2011. This is likely to be the WP7 device, no idea about anything else.
Waiting for that.....
Posted by Dups!
I have a feeling SE will also announce the damned Symbian 3 phone for release in Q4.
That leaked 5'' phone with slide out keypad will probably be announced. The rumours suggested that it will be released in Q3.
I just don't see SE sitting back and not release any new phones this year, they definitely have the momentum going for them and sitting back will kill that momentum. I forsee a good Q2 financial result which will force them to bring the new phones forward.
Let's wait and see.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
Does anybody know when SE is going to use the Super TFT LCD from Sony, or have they already? I read on engadget.com that HTC is considering using Sony's STFT because they are running out of amoled supply.
I actually hope to see another "full-fledged" smartphone from SE. The X10 will not stand a chance against IPhone 4, HTC Evo, and Motorola Droid X in the US. Considering the fact that, among the high end Android phones, it will be the last one to get Froyo update and is still no clear information on where it is going to be sold by US carriers, X10 is facing an imminent failure in the US.
I am not even sure how good X10 is doing in Canada. Since X10's released here, I have only seen one person that actually has it. He has the white version. That's it.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2010-06-26 18:55 ]
Posted by Consumology
@badassmam: I hope you are just kiddin, Windows as the first next high end phone available in 2011? I don't get it, where is a Satio successor? Where is a X1 successor (better screen, multitouch, up to date Android version)? They will not be announced till the beginning of 2011? That means availability later in the first half of 2011? Is the UIQ drama repeating itself all over again - meaning too little, too late? I feel like Moto got the message but SE simply do not.
Posted by bronxdude
On 2010-06-27 01:57:05, Consumology wrote:
They will not be announced till the beginning of 2011? That means availability later in the first half of 2011? Is the UIQ drama repeating itself all over again - meaning too little, too late? I feel like Moto got the message but SE simply do not.
announced september or november, available 2011 not announced 2011
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2010-06-27 01:57:05, Consumology wrote:
@badassmam: I hope you are just kiddin, Windows as the first next high end phone available in 2011? I don't get it, where is a Satio successor? Where is a X1 successor (better screen, multitouch, up to date Android version)? They will not be announced till the beginning of 2011? That means availability later in the first half of 2011? Is the UIQ drama repeating itself all over again - meaning too little, too late? I feel like Moto got the message but SE simply do not.
No, badassmam said that there will be something announced in September or November which will be high end, possibly Windows 7. He did not say it will be the only high end announcement, in fact he said he does not know about anything else. Don't jump to conclusions so quickly.
Posted by Consumology
Looking at the release history I have been experiencing for almost ten years it takes them often more than half a year between announcement and market availability - just look at Satio and X10 (and see what software version X10 is running at the moment...). Now is almost July - so unless they do change fundamentally I cannot see me having a Satio II in 2010.
If they proof me wrong I am delighted, e.g. look at the new iPhone or even Sony's NEX-5: available on the market very soon after the announcement. Just do it.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
Meego Schmeego, you guys are very funny.
Take a peak: http://www.engadget.com/2010/[....]ets-makes-its-first-appearance
SE should consider Meego as one of the OS they develop to run on their devices. The UI is just irresistable and way better than Android's latest offering.
Posted by Phoner
Irresistible UI is just a part of great OS. If there aren't many apps that run on it, it will never be successful.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
That's how the IOS's started right, without any single application? Even Android does not have that many applications which are as useful as the ones on IPhone. That UI will surely put Meego's name on the map. I think developers will like it.
Posted by Angello
I'm sorry, but Meego looks like the last UIQ concepts, which isn't really attractive to me to be honest.
And as phoner already said, the apps are one of the most important things for a successful OS.
I also predict that WM7 is going to be huge, especially the business version could be interesting for people who don't like those colorful and shiny operating systems.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
Applications are just one part of what makes an OS good. But then again, one must remember that huge selection of applications are not made overnight. It will take some time to make one. The Iphone app store is a living proof to that, as we all know. With regard to the Meego's UI resembling the last UIQ concept, again this is a vanilla UI and still can be made to look even better with a custom one. I know to each, his own, but Meego's UI still looks better than the normal Android UI at least for now. Rumour has it that Android 3.0 will have a revamp UI.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2010-07-01 03:43 ]
Posted by se_dude
Err people tend to forget the influence google and Apple have on people and thereby the developers.Meego which shall be used only by Nokia and probably LG, doesnt cater to huge crowd like Android and therefore wouldnt really attract developers to put their money into it.
Posted by synn
Does anyone care to remember that Meego and Symbian use the same toolkit for app development and an app written for Symbian can be deployed for Meego and vice versa without rewriting it?
Posted by pavlov's_dog
I don't see how people can claim that the meego UI looks heaps better than say Android or IOS4. For me, it looks very crammed and it takes a lot of design cues from other more popular OS's.
Posted by Dups!
That UI looks dull and boring to me. The OS itself is quite interesting I must say.
Posted by domipost
On 2010-07-01 08:42:53, synn wrote:
Does anyone care to remember that Meego and Symbian use the same toolkit for app development and an app written for Symbian can be deployed for Meego and vice versa without rewriting it?
Yep, what's even better is that you can run it on other phones too if you install the infrastructure (Qt) They had a nice little demo from that at the MWC
Posted by bambarah
Sorry Friends,
I just want to draw your attention to this point
Couple days ago I noticed MOTOROLA MILESTONE , since I live in Kuwait I noticed the keyboard has both Arabic and English fonts !
Android systems doesn't support and they didn't announced any kind for langauge support even in the newly coming ver 3.0
I wonder How Motorola did it ? did they just upgraded it because it is Open source ? If it was like that , Why
didn't do it in the X10 ? 
By the way
I cheked that Milestone , it has Android ver 2.0
The only reason I bought my VIVAZ is it because No Android device support Arabic langauge
I'm still loyal to
Posted by emuneee
Meego is the last thing Sony Ericsson needs right now. They need to continue to focus on bringing out great products on the platforms they currently support today. Meego looks to be a good OS, but it'll just sap resources from other projects at this point.
Posted by Robis
Hello, when should be on market X8?
Posted by tranced
In Q3. End of July or August maybe?
Posted by FMW300
Just wondering.... Would SE ever bring out more clamshell phones? I love this form factor and even though I know all manufacturers are focusing more on touchscreen bars (and sliders), it would be nice to see some new mid-hi end clamshells.
Posted by CELL-P
On 2010-07-07 03:52:40, FMW300i wrote:
Just wondering.... Would SE ever bring out more clamshell phones? I love this form factor and even though I know all manufacturers are focusing more on touchscreen bars (and sliders), it would be nice to see some new mid-hi end clamshells.
We have been dreaming of phones with Japanese specifications from Sony Ericsson for years. They can still bring phones with the same quality and design and the same specs if they wanted, but they have wasted a lot of potential over the years. Just look at them now, their loss. They would never release such great phones *depressed former Sony Ericsson fan*.
Phones with the same hardware with Wi-Fi instead of 1-seg and the other stuff that does not work would be cool. Even though their latest Japanese phones are not as good as the phones from some of the other Japanese manufacturers, they are by far superior to anything released outside Japan.
[ This Message was edited by: CELL-P on 2010-07-07 17:51 ]
Posted by badassmam
Off topic but this thread is really dry. November will see the launch of WP7, there should be some phones that go beyond 1Ghz processors. We may see the first dual core processor for mobile devices as well. Moto said that they want to release a 2Ghz mobile before 2011 which is quite ambitious but others are using this kind of processor as well i.e. Samsung. HTC have 3 WP7 devices, LG and Samsung have theirs as well. A HTC will be the most powerful device to date.
HTC have a few Android devices, expect a Desire with qwerty and a cheaper version as well. They are looking to bump up the processors as well because Gingerbread could be quite demanding, some say that Froyo may not work for all devices because of some weaker processors.
Samsung currently have the best screens hands down and look to go even better next year with 720p screens so record HD videos and then watch them in HD on your mobile which is cool. This should be very tasty with Bluetooth 3.0 and a number of new technologies. Pixel density is supposedly even more than the iPhone retina display which is stunning.
Nokia's Meego phone is shaping up to be very powerful. I think they will cram as much as they can, into it.
Apparently Moto were to do a Nexus 2 loosely based on one of their own models but Google have quit from making mobiles.
Nothing from
to report, nothing new to be released apart from X8 and co. There will be an early announcement around September/November followed by a long wait like the X10.
Posted by doministry
On 2010-07-07 23:32:50, badassmam wrote:
Off topic but this thread is really dry. November will see the launch of WP7, there should be some phones that go beyond 1Ghz processors. We may see the first dual core processor for mobile devices as well. Moto said that they want to release a 2Ghz mobile before 2011 which is quite ambitious but others are using this kind of processor as well i.e. Samsung. HTC have 3 WP7 devices, LG and Samsung have theirs as well. A HTC will be the most powerful device to date.
HTC have a few Android devices, expect a Desire with qwerty and a cheaper version as well. They are looking to bump up the processors as well because Gingerbread could be quite demanding, some say that Froyo may not work for all devices because of some weaker processors.
Samsung currently have the best screens hands down and look to go even better next year with 720p screens so record HD videos and then watch them in HD on your mobile which is cool. This should be very tasty with Bluetooth 3.0 and a number of new technologies. Pixel density is supposedly even more than the iPhone retina display which is stunning.
Nokia's Meego phone is shaping up to be very powerful. I think they will cram as much as they can, into it.
Apparently Moto were to do a Nexus 2 loosely based on one of their own models but Google have quit from making mobiles.
Nothing from
to report, nothing new to be released apart from X8 and co. There will be an early announcement around September/November followed by a long wait like the X10.
So
WP7 device later...
Posted by FMW300
When is Aspen to be released? Or is it cancelled? I'm asking because in the latest version of Omnius, released today, they have withdrawn support for this model. We really have not been hearing anything about this phone lately.
Posted by goldenface
I hate the long wait for SE phones. The wait for the X10 was interminable - really frustrating.
Posted by XPHCTOC
On 2010-07-08 09:25:41, goldenface wrote:
I hate the long wait for SE phones. The wait for the X10 was interminable - really frustrating.
The wait for the X10 was interminable because it has been leaked 3 months before its announcement. that + the usual 4-6 months of wait between announcement and release = FRUSTRATION
I hope they won't make the same mistake.
Posted by goldenface
True.
It's very rare that we don't find leaks about upcoming handsets
but it's always nice when we get surprised.
Still, the X10 was announced early November, I think, and available at the very end of Q3? That's still a five month wait, which an lifetime in tech years. A lot happens in five months.
Posted by sunrise_
On 2010-07-08 04:39:09, FMW300i wrote:
When is Aspen to be released?
It's released according to global portfolio:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/corporate/products/phoneportfolio
"Coming soon" disappeared few days ago.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
What SE needs now is just another high-end smartphone as transition from 2010 smartphones to 2011 ones, a peak of what costumers should expect from them next year. X10, with the recent updates, shows part of what it is really capable of and will reach its full potential when the Android 2.1 version upgrade is rolled out in September. Although it is quite late, it is still good for SE. By announcing another high-end device by then and release it shortly, I think this will compliment the update by SE on X10 and will be a good marketing strategy for SE's Android Smartphone Porfolio.
Posted by Dups!
Yep, a high-end smartphone released in November/December is just what SE needs. Actually, they desperately need that.
I see trouble ahead if SE isn't planning any release for the rest of the year. Their portfolio is enough to sustain them till around October even with the few upcoming releases.
I hope they have something planned for release late this year or all their hardwork to reverse the previous loses will be undone.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
A smartphone with this specification would be nice.
- 4.0" WVGA screen (300 dpi) with 16 million colors and full multi-touch support
- 8.0 megapixel camera with auto-focus, 3x optical zoom, 720p video recording at 30 fps (with fast and slow motion modes) and Sulphur Plasma Flash
- 16/32 GB MoviNand internal memory, 1 GB RAM and 2 GB ROM, microSDXC memory slot
- Bluetooth 4.0 with A2DP, Wi-fi b/g/n with DLNA, GPS with a-GPS, Digital Compass, 3.5 mm head jack, microUSB 2.0, microHDMI vs 1.4, built-in FM Radio with RDS, & FM Transmitter, two stereo microphones (one at the front and on the back) and one with noise cancellation technology, two stereo speakers
- GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 ; HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 2100 /1900 ; HSPA+ support up to 21 mbps
- 1.5 Ghz OMAP 4440 processor with SGX545 GPU or 1.2 Ghz OMAP 3630 processor with SGX540 GPU
- other: 1.3 megapixel secondary camera (with motion gesture support and full screen front facing video calling at 1.3 megapixel resolution), Li-Po 1800 mAh battery, lower SAR values, gyroscope and accelometer etc.
Software:
- Android 2.1 at least on release
- Smart dialing
- Should add FM Radio Tab, Sony Remote Play Tab, and Mobile TV Tab on Mediascape
- an option to download movies directly from "any paid sites" via mediascape's video tab by simply entering the website, username and password information, then a promp will ask for opening the web browser and sign one in to the paid members section and can now begin downloading movies
- Add EQ support to music player and screen shot on video player
- Include a wider array of media files like DIVX/XVID, FLAC, WMV/WMA, flv, MKV and RA/RV
Posted by my ninja
- 4.0" SXGA (1280*1024) screen 24bit color stantum resistive multi-touch support (infinite number of inputs FAR higher accuracy necessary on such a small and high res screen, capacitive just isnt up to the same task)
- 4 Row Keyboard
- 8.0 megapixel backlit sensor with auto-focus, 24x digital zoom, 720p video recording at 120 fps (with fast and slow motion modes) and Dual LED + Xenon Flash
- 128 GB Toshiba internal memory, 2 GB RAM and 8 GB ROM, microSDXC memory slot
- Bluetooth 3.0 with A2DP, Wi-fi b/g/n with DLNA, GPS with a-GPS, Digital Compass, 3.5 mm _line_ out, microUSB 3.0, microHDMI 1.4, built-in FM Radio with RDS, & FM Transmitter, stereo microphones, stereo speakers
- GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 ; HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 210; HSPA+ support up to 21 mbps
- 1.5 Ghz OMAP 4440 (A9) processor with SGX545 GPU ... DEDICATED DAC!!! (Flat FR from RMAA is a MUST)
- 2.0 megapixel secondary camera (full screen front facing video calling at 2.0 megapixel resolution), Li-Po 1800 mAh battery, gyroscope, accelometer, IR port
ftfy ...
and MeeGo! i want the freedom associated with maemo, android is too rigid ... i want access without voiding my warranty to every piece of hardware listed. the n900 is by far the strongest device ive ever owned. i would like to see SE try their hand at something like this, where they could focus on the hardware, instead of wasting 6 months on UX()
time.mediascape() coulda had the SEXX out in november of 09 if it wasnt for the wasted efforts on their outdated version of android. keep it generic, and add utility later IF ppl want it. dont handicap your device ESP when google released a phone BEFORE the SEXX and it was just generic. yet had the SAME stats if not a better screen and in hand feel (metal vs plastic ...) if they keep it simple the updates are also simple. they are working against themselves.
Posted by mediar
There was a topic where you could write what your dream phone is. Don't spam this thread.
Posted by NoTnERb
it's awfully quiet
any info about the monster phone that leaked a while ago? it was reported to be due by fall, right?
Posted by rss_ndrsn
^According to one esato member, it was originally planned to be released this fall. For unknown reason, it is now slated Q1 next year. This is not confirmed by a trusted source, though.
Posted by NoTnERb
^so there won't be any more SE phones this year? the usual september announcements are due for next year.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
On 2010-07-10 07:19:07, mediar wrote:
There was a topic where you could write what your dream phone is. Don't spam this thread.