Posted by se_love
On 2009-12-26 14:18:59, doministry wrote:
On 2009-12-24 17:27:04, Dups! wrote:
@doministry
You sure love your windows mobile! I have to say that I find the X2 really appealing in terms of design. If it is smooth in operation then kudos to SE.
Sadly, I have decided not to buy any SE phone until I see a good or acceptable financial statement for the second quarter of next year.
I don't want to buy something from a company that's going to die (I'm not implying that they are going to die next year) and be left with the same situation as was the case with Ericsson.
If they improve then that P1-like Android phone is mine.
Good luck SE, still my favourite phone brand despite your problems. Even though you irritate me often I still hold a place for you in my heart.
So, here's hoping and wishing for sustainable improvement in your Q2, 2010 results.
Otherwise I'll still be here at Esato always.
The only problem is that I can't find any other device which will match.
There's such fashion now to get rid of keyboards and hardware controls and to apply capactive screens,
that my choice is SO limited.
I'd never trust Samsung or LG neither...
I don't think SE will die haha..... However who knows.
But yes - WindowsMobile all the way now.. For now the best platform.
Even if WM 6.1 and even 6.5 looks old and uninteresting today,
there are some ugly boring parts of UI....
But the functionality which is given is the best.
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2009-12-26 13:21 ]
Wait you need keyboards too? If so...man I can feel you. I'm stuck with choosing droid if I have to, and if SE comes out with something that I can have a keyboard with(which they will) I'm going to lap it up in a second.
Posted by Supa_Fly
@Dups,
Ericsson did not die, hardly from it! Their decision to leave the handset manufacturing & sales business was simply due to economics. There products were not selling enough worldwide ~ despite the success of the T18z & T36m. Before the deal with Sony, Ericsson was still making profits since they had increasing chipset orders for the competition and huge contracts for building networks (there bread and butter).
In many ways Motorola is in the same boat with there handset division even though now their sales is increasing healthy with major contracts in China this coming quarter! Its still considering separating the handset division.
Ericsson has already pledge to reinvest millions into their partnership if its in need =
Posted by Dups!
@Prom1
By 'die' I actually meant they decided to exit the mobile division.
I know about what lead to their decision to leave the cellphone market especially that infamous fire in that Philips plant that caused the most damage making them unable to compete.
@doministry
I also am left with little choice sinci I WANT a touchscreen phone with a physical QWERTY keypad a la the P1. Blackberry lacks that at this stage and Nokia is a no go for me unless they have that phone in their maemo os cause I hate S60 with a passion.
Posted by doministry
@Dups! @se_love
Yes I need keyboard plus hardware controls.
Otherwise the device will be like a little computer extension,
not capable of extensive works.
I could work on Pseries, I can work on X1 and will be able on X2
however they already got rid of two keys and a real hardware navipad.
The capactive screen is also no go for me: as well as this technology greatly simplifies more basic operations,
it kills more advanced work many situations. Basically you cannot even press OK on this screen with the gloves on your hands....
So instead of extending functionality you loose some of it.
Week ago my friend who loves his iPhone was DEEPLY surprised I can
operate my touchscreen with ANYTHING I want so also with nail, pen, any stylus...
I start to accept that anything I consider valuable is widely recognized as bad or worse... UIQ, hardware keys, Resistive screen... Hopefully WM will stay.
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2009-12-26 17:36 ]
Posted by Supa_Fly
@doministry, btw there are gloves that work with capacitive touch screens. I think the reason so many manufacturers still choose not to use it "probably" (I don't know for certain) to do with licensing.
I think the main issue for non-hardware devices is more just familiarity & also if you use RDP often ... touchscreen keyboards still take up so much of the screen, especially in landscape. On the BB Storm2 it uses the least screen real-estate in landscape that I've seen with the native OS. Aftermarket keyboards on WM I'm not sure. Still its too limited. I realized that using the iPhone and it helped me purchase my BB.
Posted by badassmam
Yay, some more keyboard fans! If I wanted a phone for basic calls and text it would be an iPhone but since I have to do work, its an X1 at the moment. WinMo also helps to do more difficult tasks on your mobile so I'm always looking out for phones like the X2.
You will be glad to know there is an Android with physical keyboard to come but I find WinMo to be more professional. I am so into the HTC HD2 but no keyboard makes it tricky for work also, it takes me ages to type with an on screen keyboard. I won't be going for the X2 because its hardware is already very old, I shall wait for the new HTC line up because there should be a qwerty with a capacitive touch screen on WinMo out in Q1 hopefully.
I agree that
are lacking a P1 type phone but I guess the new Android will rectify this. There is also a N97 type phone on Symbain in the works, maybe we get the lot at MWC? January should be the month for leaks, I want people to see the square phone and either 
or 
but it will 
regardless.[ This Message was edited by: badassmam on 2009-12-26 20:09 ]
Posted by Gamar14
On 2009-12-26 14:18:59, doministry wrote:
But the functionality which is given is the best.
But stability is the worst!
Posted by doministry
On 2009-12-27 01:18:27, Gamar14 wrote:
On 2009-12-26 14:18:59, doministry wrote:
But the functionality which is given is the best.
But stability is the worst!
I read it here and there but honestly I cannot confirm that.
I wouldn't say WM is perfect in this regard - no - but I cannot really complain on that, it's the most stable smartphone I've had.
And considering the amount of activity on the device, I have to say - it's stable!
Badassmam thx again for info.....
Posted by se_love
On 2009-12-26 21:08:43, badassmam wrote:
Yay, some more keyboard fans! If I wanted a phone for basic calls and text it would be an iPhone but since I have to do work, its an X1 at the moment. WinMo also helps to do more difficult tasks on your mobile so I'm always looking out for phones like the X2.
You will be glad to know there is an Android with physical keyboard to come but I find WinMo to be more professional. I am so into the HTC HD2 but no keyboard makes it tricky for work also, it takes me ages to type with an on screen keyboard. I won't be going for the X2 because its hardware is already very old, I shall wait for the new HTC line up because there should be a qwerty with a capacitive touch screen on WinMo out in Q1 hopefully.
I agree that
are lacking a P1 type phone but I guess the new Android will rectify this. There is also a N97 type phone on Symbain in the works, maybe we get the lot at MWC? January should be the month for leaks, I want people to see the square phone and either or but it will regardless.
[ This Message was edited by: badassmam on 2009-12-26 20:09 ]
The square phone sounds like it will split the fanbase into two. The mad ones who support it and the ones who are considering themselves to be smart to ignore it. And an Android with keyboard? Well damn, finally a smart phone by SE I can support.q
Posted by goldenface
The 'square' phone is reminding me of that horrendous square Nokia phone with the buttons down the sides from years ago.
Sounds likes lots of phones on the way.
Posted by se_love
On 2009-12-27 20:40:00, goldenface wrote:
The 'square' phone is reminding me of that horrendous square Nokia phone with the buttons down the sides from years ago.
Sounds likes lots of phones on the way.
Posted by Dups!
The Android P1-like phone is my perfect phone, hopefully, the specs are up to date and it is powerful enough. Pity I am going to be dictated to by SE's financial report in the second quarter next year.
I also love the Pureness and would love to get it but again- Q2, 2010!
This square phone sounds really strange. SE are brilliant at designing phones though sometimes one or two slip through and look horrible like the Jalou.
Posted by domipost
Huh, what's with the Q2 2010 financial report?
Posted by Dups!
@domipost
Noooo, please don't read too much into that. That applies ONLY to me and nobody else.
What I have decided on is that I won't buy an SE phone until they show positive results in their financial statement next year in the second quarter. You see, I had problems when Ericsson quit the mobile phone market, couldn't find batteries and other accessories and I don't want to go back to that situation with SE should they fold. My take is that if they make another loss in Q2, 2010 then the writing may be on the wall and my decision to stop buying from them would have been right. Of course, the flipside is also possible, if truth be told, I am hoping for that scenario cause I love this brand more than any out there.
I know about Ericsson's pledge to 'pump' more money into SE but losing too much money changes perspectives and Ericsson or Sony are not immune from that.
Guess we will see next year.
Posted by xell
Q4 / complete 2009 results.
Posted by HxH
I'm count on you now Badassmam, at this time I have to work more harder and less time spend with
resource so no any interesting in my hands for sometime now
low-mid touch named u5i made me laugh
referred to GSMArena news
Posted by domipost
@Dups!
Ah, I got it. I think it'll take them a few more months to make profit again, but who knows
Posted by Dups!
Honestly, domipost, I don't need a huge profit from them in Q2, a break even result or even a 1 percent profit is enough for me.
I think Q2 is reasonable in my book. They have restructured for long enough and it is time for results to show. A Q4 loss is not much of a concern but if it is big, say, it is only a 10, 20 or even 30 percent drop from the previous loss then I'd be slightly concerned. I am hoping for them to be closer to break even in this quarter's results.
Too optimistic? Maybe, but it's time they start improving.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2009-12-28 18:47:00, xell wrote:
Q4 / complete 2009 results.
There will still be some losses in this report. X2 delayed, pulls from provider retail chains of the Satio & Aino will affect the results. The costs/expenses should drop significantly though.
I think its time SE trades publicly and soon.
Posted by mreman4k
There will still be some losses in this report. X2 delayed, pulls from provider retail chains of the Satio & Aino will affect the results. The costs/expenses should drop significantly though.
I think its time SE trades publicly and soon.
Wouldn't Sony and Ericsson have to relinquish their ownership (or some of it) for Sony Ericsson to be traded publicly? Are there 50-50 joint ventures that are publicly traded?
[ This Message was edited by: mreman4k on 2009-12-29 16:49 ]
Posted by badassmam
The financial reports are bound to be crap so what I would suggest is that you wait for MWC. Satio and Aino have not helped and X2 was never expected to match the success of the XM 5800 for example. If you find that the phones are not up to standard since every company will be bringing their big guns, make your decision then. The
line up is decent, there are some phones that I cannot comment on (I have never seen them) but I am certain that we will see at least one new Xperia. There are a couple of other undercover phones as well, unfortunately some cancellations as well but certain design aspects could live on. From the competitors, I would expect a new Omnia HD, the hotly tipped Nokia 12MP, the Androids of HTC to be among the best.
Anyway, all eyes are on Kurara to be slick. It has a fair amount of eye candy and is much better than Satio in many ways. Hopefully no delays and also, I hope it has the sound quality of Aino or better because that could really make it great. I suspect that it could be a bit pricey though. Also, there should be at the very least, one high end phone from
which is currently unknown to us. It won't be WM, doubt it will be 'A3' so maybe Symbian or Android. The Satio replacement will be announced later on in the year so it has to be something else. Nobody has mentioned Entertainment Unlimited in a while, Kurara should be one. More information would be nice.
Posted by domipost
Ah, good to hear! They need a new W995. Any sign of that?
Posted by c96sthl
hmmm hoping for a new phone leak that use.
1. Exomor R ...back illuminated CMOS
2. put that Sweep Panorama view into mobile phone.....
Posted by domipost
So, CES is almost here. Is SE going to announce something there?
Posted by Ultimus
Last year, SE announced at least the W508 and the C510 at CES, two mid range phones. In 2008, they also announced some new phones, so I'm guessing they'll announce at least something this year as well, but they might keep the high end under wraps for MWC.
Posted by goldenface
Might we see a W595 update.
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Posted by FMW300
What about the new Symbian Foundation OS? Does SE have any upcoming phones running on this? I know Satio was supposed to use SF but ended up using S60....
Posted by doministry
On 2010-01-01 20:37:42, FMW300i wrote:
What about the new Symbian Foundation OS? Does SE have any upcoming phones running on this? I know Satio was supposed to use SF but ended up using S60....
Well so read the Symbian website.
Officially Satio runs... Symbian 1 OS.
Posted by miguel82
Then Symbian1 OS is even worst than S60 v5
Posted by xell
S60v5 technically is - licensing besides - SF^1.
Posted by doministry
On 2010-01-02 17:20:17, miguel82 wrote:
Then Symbian1 OS is even worst than S60 v5
May be true!
Posted by se_love
On 2010-01-02 17:52:28, xell wrote:
S60v5 technically is - licensing besides - SF^1.
Posted by makebelieve
http://www.gsmarena.com/unkno[....]_qwerty_keyboard-news-1350.php
Posted by domipost
Looks a bit weird again
Anyone knows the codename?
Posted by se_love
Aw hell no, the one phone SE releases without WinMo that would be affordable and has a qwerty its ugly and is powered by Symbian. God damn now I'm upset, that thing looks like crap, and even I have to say its going to fail.
Posted by goldenface
I'm sure more qwertys are to come.
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Posted by se_love
On 2010-01-04 15:00:12, goldenface wrote:
I'm sure more qwertys are to come.
This message was posted from a C905
Posted by domipost
Some extra info from SEMC Blog:
Codename is Kanna and it will be the U8. Specs are the same as Kurara, announcement at MWC.
Posted by se_love
On 2010-01-04 15:18:32, domipost wrote:
Some extra info from SEMC Blog:
Codename is Kanna and it will be the U8. Specs are the same as Kurara, announcement at MWC.
Posted by se_love
Also question. I put hazel and elm into the latest topics or cause I missed it just slap it into other?
Posted by dancingfate
Symbian ^1 again? Oh no...
I wish SE will release a phone like Satio with any OS but Symbian...
Posted by mediar
I don't think this phone ( Kurara/Kanna ) is ugly.
Posted by Dups!
@se_love
I'm with you all the way!
SE lost its design edge on this one, does look like it was designed by Nokia with Nokia's OS.
IT SUCKS!!
Posted by badassmam
It's Kanna as in Cannavaro who plays for Juventus, well I tried at least. That's your N97 type phone there. I think its ugly in all honesty, but the qwerty is very good indeed. I wish
would customise more than just the home screen, Symbian needs a revamp but other than that, not many people can say that its a bad OS. Good to have a leak now, maybe we could get a few treats for 'CES time' and to dampen the Google announcement. Some stuff could be announced now but they may wait for MWC like Samsung have done.
Posted by se_love
On 2010-01-04 19:53:28, badassmam wrote:
It's Kanna as in Cannavaro who plays for Juventus, well I tried at least. That's your N97 type phone there. I think its ugly in all honesty, but the qwerty is very good indeed. I wish
would customise more than just the home screen, Symbian needs a revamp but other than that, not many people can say that its a bad OS. Good to have a leak now, maybe we could get a few treats for 'CES time' and to dampen the Google announcement. Some stuff could be announced now but they may wait for MWC like Samsung have done.
Posted by SE_fan
Hey guys,
seems, we all think the same, of the both mobiles, wether it is candybar or a slider.
Design, funktions and OS is Nokia. And Nokia is sucking... Please don't copy.
But this is the story. Management is setting all devisions under pressure, cuttung costs, using same plattform for multiple handsets with minor changes in design. This is not the success story.
Please be so strong strategic Product management and don't go public with these handsets.
design is not SE, it is too usual, nothing special and it copies Nokia
OS is old fashioned in design of user interface
Please don't stop being innovative!
We will see ......
______________________________
It is a typical copy from the Nokia mobile. Really very bad SE. You did the X10, which is really a wonder. But, please go away from the bad symbian shit. Or use symbian, but please develop an user friendly interface....
Every time the same story.
SE becoming ill or inefficent
Then SE brings a very nice handset and after that SE is going back and getting ill again. Poor employes. Bad management!
Posted by mediar
At first the changed the UI ( from 2 softkeys to 3 ), that they changed the keyboard layout ( *, 0, # ) and now the design of the phones. With other words - nowadays the SE phones are actually Nokia phones under cover. Why don't SE and Nokia merge?
Posted by Shino03
I don't like it too but I'm still hoping for a cameraphone monster from se
Posted by goldenface
For the past three years we have had several phones announced around this time. Can anyone confirm if SE will be exhibiting at CES this year?
Posted by mreman4k
On 2010-01-05 11:19:03, goldenface wrote:
For the past three years we have had several phones announced around this time. Can anyone confirm if SE will be exhibiting at CES this year?
Only thing I know for sure is Sony Ericsson will be at the Sony Booth in Las Vegas. Don't know if there are any product announcements though.