Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-19 14:00:42, ron.jeremy wrote:
Nice try boinng.
The Capasitive LCD have mineral glass cover.
So no need for protection imo.
It was an honest question! I'd have been surprised if it was plastic, given the opportunity for proper glass (which is one of the many plus points for capacative). Good for SE.
doministry wrote:
I must say SE made a great work on X2's UI,
absolutely the best what they've done in this respect..
Much better than X10.
X2's interface looks like something out of Tron - yet another attempt to paper over the cracks in Windows Mobile, this time with some faux sci-fi nonsense designed to appeal solely to hardcore geeks who don't know any better. At least the UX in the X10 looks to have had some actual thought about usability and usefulness put into it, rather than just what looks "cool" to immature men.
Posted by my ninja
the cards in timescape could use some help but i have a feeling that youll be able to skin the heck out of time/media scape SE is all about that kinda stuff. or at least they HAVE been in the past.
Posted by doministry
On 2009-11-19 16:10:03, Boinng wrote:
X2's interface looks like something out of Tron - yet another attempt to paper over the cracks in Windows Mobile, this time with some faux sci-fi nonsense designed to appeal solely to hardcore geeks who don't know any better. At least the UX in the X10 looks to have had some actual thought about usability and usefulness put into it, rather than just what looks "cool" to immature men.
I think just the opposite.
It has a huge functional potential opposed
to UI's designed for boys and girls who have to have everything "right in the face"
dumbed and extremely simplified to use it
otherwise they get lost if something is in any way complex.
It's boys who get excited over this kind of thinking.
Posted by The_Morgue
On 2009-11-19 13:38:23, kingcool88 wrote:
On 2009-11-14 22:47:03, The_Morgue wrote:
On 2009-11-14 21:55:36, kingcool88 wrote:
Its up at Katshing.se also, ive preordered it there and im nr 6 in the queue-line. So ive been promised a phone from the first batch! As soon the white one comes up there 2, i will preorder that also, because the colour decision is pretty hard...
I'm number 5!!!
Check your number in the queueline again, because ive been pushed back to number 7....
Nope!
I'm still number 5!!!
Why cant/when can we preorder the white one???
Posted by kingcool88
On 2009-11-19 21:02:08, The_Morgue wrote:
On 2009-11-19 13:38:23, kingcool88 wrote:
On 2009-11-14 22:47:03, The_Morgue wrote:
On 2009-11-14 21:55:36, kingcool88 wrote:
Its up at Katshing.se also, ive preordered it there and im nr 6 in the queue-line. So ive been promised a phone from the first batch! As soon the white one comes up there 2, i will preorder that also, because the colour decision is pretty hard...
I'm number 5!!!
Check your number in the queueline again, because ive been pushed back to number 7....
Nope!
I'm still number 5!!!
Why cant/when can we preorder the white one???
Yeah i spoke to them, and they said that one order got wrong orderdate and got past every other order. But they fixed it so now its back to normal:) About the white, i dont know actually:/
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-19 18:16:20, doministry wrote:
UI's designed for boys and girls who have to have everything "right in the face"
dumbed and extremely simplified to use it
otherwise they get lost if something is in any way complex.
It's boys who get excited over this kind of thinking.
No, not boys - the word you're looking for is people. Call them dumb if you like, but it's people generally - men and women - who get excited about advanced functionality they can actually use, laid out in a way they can access easily and be productive with.
Boys like toys - gadgets that impress other boys and make them feel big and clever. The more complex the better, since they aren't really for using in the real world anyway..
Posted by badassmam
I have been using one for a couple of days. It looks nice and all but I am so angry with it and have therefore returned it. Its a near complete phone and they claim it has a 1Ghz processor but it feels like 50Mhz. It is so 5hit and infuriating that I cannot even touch the thing. My X1 is slow because its old so I can deal with that but a 1Ghz phone that is so slow is incredible. Satio is like this ladies and gents and it totally pi55e5 me off, I cannot take it when something is done so badly. It doesn't even come near the HD2 and never will.
are way off, the HTC Hero is faster and I bet that even the retail version will of X10 will be slower. Sorry for the rant.
Posted by Angello
On 2009-11-19 23:05:32, badassmam wrote:
I have been using one for a couple of days. It looks nice and all but I am so angry with it and have therefore returned it. Its a near complete phone and they claim it has a 1Ghz processor but it feels like 50Mhz. It is so 5hit and infuriating that I cannot even touch the thing. My X1 is slow because its old so I can deal with that but a 1Ghz phone that is so slow is incredible. Satio is like this ladies and gents and it totally pi55e5 me off, I cannot take it when something is done so badly. It doesn't even come near the HD2 and never will.
are way off, the HTC Hero is faster and I bet that even the retail version will of X10 will be slower. Sorry for the rant.
which software did you have
?
Posted by Ddave
it troubles me a bit if i read reviews like that,
can anybody confirm who got hands-on?
It has been rumored that the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 was slated for a February 2010 release, but after seeing people's first impressions of the device, well, it looks like there's still a lot of work to be done.
Gizmodo:
It's missing that spark, the emotional drippings of OMG, that say, the Droid has. The X10 is perfectly fine. It's just that everything outwardly belies the specialness of what's going on inside. The all plastic-build feels just slightly better than cheap, the shape is kind of awkward unless you have gorilla hands, the design—it all just feels, well, incredibly ordinary.
Engadget:
It seems that performance is very contingent upon how much content is loaded into the device and what particular thing it's trying to perform. Sometimes we'd fly through the stacks of faces, while other times we'd sit there waiting for the simplest thumbnails to load up. The good news is that we have until next year to see this thing really come together, and the word is that the software is improving and a rapid pace.
BGR:
The UI is very functional and it gets the job done, but it’s not as attractive as HTC’s Sense UI. We’re not quite sure what it is about the XPERIA X10, but we’re just not feeling that “wow” we got with the Droid, for example.
Overall, it seems like everyone was ready to love the XPERIA X10, but the XPERIA X10 never gave them a reason to. The design isn't groundbreaking, the hardware wasn't amazing, and the software still needed work. To be fair, it wasn't all bad. The 8.1 megapixel camera got rave reviews from everybody, the screen is lovely, and Timescape and Mediascape (features of the Nexus UX formerly the 'Rachael' UI) were great ideas. But in the end, it just seemed as if the XPERIA X10 just simply isn't ready.
There's no official release date (and we'd much rather have Sony Ericsson spend time tweaking everything anyway) and no official carrier linked to it (Sony Ericsson says they're working with US carriers to get it subsidized), so there's still a lot of unknown with the device. We had high hopes for the XPERIA X10 and we still think that Sony Ericsson can deliver a winner of a device. It's just going to take more time than we thought.
Posted by doministry
On 2009-11-19 22:10:38, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-19 18:16:20, doministry wrote:
UI's designed for boys and girls who have to have everything "right in the face"
dumbed and extremely simplified to use it
otherwise they get lost if something is in any way complex.
It's boys who get excited over this kind of thinking.
No, not boys - the word you're looking for is people. Call them dumb if you like, but it's people generally - men and women - who get excited about advanced functionality they can actually use, laid out in a way they can access easily and be productive with.
Boys like toys - gadgets that impress other boys and make them feel big and clever. The more complex the better, since they aren't really for using in the real world anyway..
Me a boy liking overcompliated gadgets?
You're clueless, boy.
You have no idea how wrong you are.
Yes, unfortunately 90% of people using technology today
are complete idiots in this specific regard.
Because that's the trend and current attitude - no effort, just "gimme that, man!", lifestyle, fun..... And loads of sh..t.
It's like a real literature vs cheap short stories with clear ending.....
I know how the market goes but there's no need to praise that.
To be clear, I comment your general idea regarding UI,
not specific devices.
You can like or dislike whatever you want.
Posted by moogoo
On 2009-11-19 23:05:32, badassmam wrote:
I have been using one for a couple of days. It looks nice and all but I am so angry with it and have therefore returned it. Its a near complete phone and they claim it has a 1Ghz processor but it feels like 50Mhz. It is so 5hit and infuriating that I cannot even touch the thing. My X1 is slow because its old so I can deal with that but a 1Ghz phone that is so slow is incredible. Satio is like this ladies and gents and it totally pi55e5 me off, I cannot take it when something is done so badly. It doesn't even come near the HD2 and never will.
are way off, the HTC Hero is faster and I bet that even the retail version will of X10 will be slower. Sorry for the rant.
Wow. that is an interesting perspective. From the recent videos we've seen the software seems to have sped up considerably. Maybe you had a much older version? You're usually pretty neutral in your impressions and I always look forward to seeing what you have to say. It's still about 3 months til the retail version so I'm not too worried and won't be until say end of January and the software still isn't top notch.
Could you let us know if you had the most recent software?
Posted by my ninja
moog youll find that the internet hates SE and that even with a winner they all hate.
when someone dumps all the bloatware from the actual X10 shell burn!
i have no doubts the hardware is too clutch, and android is too lightweight for it to be bad, android was quick on the 528mhz devices so this should be better more clock and ram, so well see. but for now with the scape apps sifting through every site for updates constantly its gotta hurt the phone for everyday use. the android parts are very fast and the internet radios are crazy quick , you see the web pages load on this thing, they all say 3G too not wifi in the notification bar, beautiful.
engadget/giz hate on SE and WM you cant take what they say seriously cuz if its not an iPhone its already coming up short.
Posted by >500
yes real smart move guys (review sites included lol) 'bash' a phone that is 3 months away from release
Posted by moogoo
On 2009-11-20 01:16:30, my ninja wrote:
moog youll find that the internet hates SE and that even with a winner they all hate.
when someone dumps all the bloatware from the actual X10 shell burn!
i have no doubts the hardware is too clutch, and android is too lightweight for it to be bad, android was quick on the 528mhz devices so this should be better more clock and ram, so well see. but for now with the scape apps sifting through every site for updates constantly its gotta hurt the phone for everyday use. the android parts are very fast and the internet radios are crazy quick , you see the web pages load on this thing, they all say 3G too not wifi in the notification bar, beautiful.
engadget/giz hate on SE and WM you cant take what they say seriously cuz if its not an iPhone its already coming up short.
I didn't mention anything about internet reviews as they have all been somewhat positive. I was referring to badassmam's impressions as he seems to bash it completely. I have no doubt x10 will be fine by the time it's released and hopefully with a android 2.0 update waiting in the wings.
Posted by badassmam
I had a show off unit. I'm not a hater at all but its amazing that a 1Ghz processor is so slow therefore its either bad programming or the hardware right? Its way off being finished but I was really disappointed with it. You're probably correct in saying that Scape is to blame. I have no issues with anything else, hardware is excellent. Similar things going on with Satio, too many bugs and crappy UI spoil what should be a fantastic phone. Sense UI is lovely to look at, functional and fast so whats the issue with
flopping? Those who think a miracle will happen within 3 months and a perfect phone being released are mistaken. It doesn't happen so easily. I'm totally sick of trying out protos and stuff, its just a pain in the neck because they usually suck. Only the designs interest me.
Posted by moogoo
@badassmam
sounds like you had an old version that was shown off on Nov. 3rd at the announcement. The ones in the recent videos have the "public announcement" sticker on them. Not sure if this makes a huge difference but from the sound of things it was very slow.
I think SE will come through and provide a more responsive UI. The recent vids have the scapes running fairly well. Worst case scenario we can flash the phone to a standard android OS right? or overlay senseUI if we really want.
I have faith
SE was able to speed up Satio to a respectable and usable speed. I'm sure they can do the same with X10.
Posted by Legen
On 2009-11-20 02:10:56, badassmam wrote:
I had a show off unit. I'm not a hater at all but its amazing that a 1Ghz processor is so slow therefore its either bad programming or the hardware right? Its way off being finished but I was really disappointed with it. You're probably correct in saying that Scape is to blame. I have no issues with anything else, hardware is excellent. Similar things going on with Satio, too many bugs and crappy UI spoil what should be a fantastic phone. Sense UI is lovely to look at, functional and fast so whats the issue with
flopping? Those who think a miracle will happen within 3 months and a perfect phone being released are mistaken. It doesn't happen so easily. I'm totally sick of trying out protos and stuff, its just a pain in the neck because they usually suck. Only the designs interest me.
@badassmam
so do you think it wuld be a better idea to get the HTC HD2 instead of waiting for X10? Oh and is HTC brewing anything else thats interesting?
Posted by eSatIo
Just ignore him, he's obviously no clue about the X10.
Posted by moogoo
On 2009-11-20 05:56:18, eSatIo wrote:
Just ignore him, he's obviously no clue about the X10.
You seem to have come out of no where with all these insulting remarks toward badassmam. He's been a trusted "insider" for awhile and has given us information that keeps this and the rumor thread going. If you are indeed a prototype tester then great. Share your information and add to the forum. You need not insult or degrade another forum member. You speak like an immature little child.
Posted by >500
as i have said on the page before, should people really be 'putting down' a phone which is only in a prototype state? sure we can have opinions on them, but the way some people are talking, forums and review sites/tech blogs, are as if the x10 will be a complete failure, just going by its current state! (which looks quite decent at the moment imho, things are improving rapidly going by new videos). it has the hardware to boot, its obviously just software issues, and 3 months is plenty to fix things.
[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2009-11-20 05:33 ]
Posted by synn
On 2009-11-20 01:57:50, >500 wrote:
yes real smart move guys (review sites included lol) 'bash' a phone that is 3 months away from release
Funny thing is, sites like Giz or Engadget would sell their first borns to get a glimpse of Apple or RIM prototypes. Someone like SE or Nokia shows them protos at their own expense and all that the retards can do is lament that the phones aren't as polished as the production models.
The internet really should have a law that states "You must be this smart to contribute". Seriously.
Posted by Tejstar
On 2009-11-20 05:02:49, Legen wrote:
@badassmam
so do you think it wuld be a better idea to get the HTC HD2 instead of waiting for X10? Oh and is HTC brewing anything else thats interesting?
The rumoured HTC Dragon/Passion is expected to be announced by the end of the year. As can be told by the name, it will come with a 1Gz Snapdragon chip and is expected to be HTC's flagship Android product (sort of like an Android version of the HTC HD2).
Posted by clobar
On 2009-11-20 05:02:49, Legen wrote:
@badassmam
so do you think it wuld be a better idea to get the HTC HD2 instead of waiting for X10? Oh and is HTC brewing anything else thats interesting?
Don't buy the HD2. I have always defended winmobile, but now my gf got a htc tattoo and I would never by a new Windows phone. And don't get me started on touch flo. Sure I haven't used the newer versions, but the entire concept is just plain stupid, the default windows homescreen may not look as good but at least its usable.
[ This Message was edited by: clobar on 2009-11-20 07:51 ]
Posted by kingcool88
http://forum2.mobile-review.c[....]st.php?p=832065&postcount=8029
Dont know if its good or bad?:D
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2009-11-20 06:06:31, moogoo wrote:
On 2009-11-20 05:56:18, eSatIo wrote:
Just ignore him, he's obviously no clue about the X10.
You seem to have come out of no where with all these insulting remarks toward badassmam. He's been a trusted "insider" for awhile and has given us information that keeps this and the rumor thread going. If you are indeed a prototype tester then great. Share your information and add to the forum. You need not insult or degrade another forum member. You speak like an immature little child.
moogoo
You took the words right out of my mouth, this character is becoming rather boring !
When I first joined esato it used to be a place where you got help and people shared information & aired valid criticism of
in the hope they would be watching and might take notice. However it seems the children have taken over and it is now more like a school playground full of shrieking "Fan Boys" so it is little wonder take so little notice of esato any longer.[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2009-11-20 12:05 ]
Posted by McKinley
On 2009-11-20 08:51:27, clobar wrote:
On 2009-11-20 05:02:49, Legen wrote:
@badassmam
so do you think it wuld be a better idea to get the HTC HD2 instead of waiting for X10? Oh and is HTC brewing anything else thats interesting?
Don't buy the HD2. I have always defended winmobile, but now my gf got a htc tattoo and I would never by a new Windows phone. And don't get me started on touch flo. Sure I haven't used the newer versions, but the entire concept is just plain stupid, the default windows homescreen may not look as good but at least its usable.
[ This Message was edited by: clobar on 2009-11-20 07:51 ]
Errm... There must have been something I have missed?
Tattoo isn't using WinMo is it?
As for the judgement of a proto products, it's not wise to take every comment too serious.
A bucket with salt is how I take all the comments of protos.
[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2009-11-20 12:22 ]
Posted by ljf881
Swedish mag Mobil has taken a quick peek at X10 and they seem positive:
http://translate.google.se/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.mobil.se/ArticlePages/200911/20/20091120121933_MOB_Administratorer215/20091120121933_MOB_Administratorer215.dbp.asp&sl=sv&tl=en
Posted by clobar
On 2009-11-20 13:19:02, McKinley wrote:
On 2009-11-20 08:51:27, clobar wrote:
On 2009-11-20 05:02:49, Legen wrote:
@badassmam
so do you think it wuld be a better idea to get the HTC HD2 instead of waiting for X10? Oh and is HTC brewing anything else thats interesting?
Don't buy the HD2. I have always defended winmobile, but now my gf got a htc tattoo and I would never by a new Windows phone. And don't get me started on touch flo. Sure I haven't used the newer versions, but the entire concept is just plain stupid, the default windows homescreen may not look as good but at least its usable.
[ This Message was edited by: clobar on 2009-11-20 07:51 ]
Errm... There must have been something I have missed?
Tattoo isn't using WinMo is it?
Mayby it was a little unclear, but I was referring to my Touch Diamond and how much better the android experience is...
Posted by XPHCTOC
Tamotsu Yamamoto talks about face recognition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X80ZOX6KuY
Posted by doministry
$ 860
http://www.intomobile.com/200[....]-xperia-x10-priced-at-860.html
Posted by tranced
The price is right. Converted that to £:521.
Posted by sealover94
too early for prices...
over 650 as usual for a SE high end phone...
so i think who ever has 600euros and want to spend them on a phone... 50 plus wouldn't be a prob
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-20 19:45 ]
Posted by XPHCTOC
17 days after the announcement SE has updated the X10 site. The X10 has finally gained the 49k colors missing
Posted by tranced
Android is open source, isn't it? Doesn't this make it less expensive?
Posted by XPHCTOC
On 2009-11-20 20:58:58, tranced wrote:
Android is open source, isn't it? Doesn't this make it less expensive?
10 to 15€ cheaper that's not what I call a groundbreaking difference in price tag...
[ This Message was edited by: XPHCTOC on 2009-11-20 20:02 ]
Posted by tranced
That's expensive backward wise
Posted by OffLineR
On 2009-11-20 20:24:17, XPHCTOC wrote:
17 days after the announcement SE has updated the X10 site. The X10 has finally gained the 49k colors missing
This means X10 is going to be shipped with Android 2.0 IMO
Posted by XPHCTOC
On 2009-11-20 21:34:52, OffLineR wrote:
On 2009-11-20 20:24:17, XPHCTOC wrote:
17 days after the announcement SE has updated the X10 site. The X10 has finally gained the 49k colors missing
This means X10 is going to be shipped with Android 2.0 IMO
This means SE employees are incredibly slow to make corrections on their site
. I still think X10 is going to be shipped with 1.6.
Posted by moogoo
On 2009-11-20 21:34:52, OffLineR wrote:
On 2009-11-20 20:24:17, XPHCTOC wrote:
17 days after the announcement SE has updated the X10 site. The X10 has finally gained the 49k colors missing
This means X10 is going to be shipped with Android 2.0 IMO
what makes you think that? it went from 16K to 65K... which is what we've all known for awhile now and is what 1.6 supports.
Oh yay... my 500th post!
Posted by anders260
http://www.mobil.se/ArticlePa[....]20091120205701_MOB128.dbp.asp#
Posted by PakMan786
look what I've found here
developing-team is still indecisive in chosing the display
Posted by XPHCTOC
I've got 2 theories:
1/The battery life is so horrible that they have decided to change the display type
2/All SE websites suck (
)
edit: congratulations moogoo
[ This Message was edited by: XPHCTOC on 2009-11-20 23:15 ]
Posted by OffLineR
@moogoo
You are right
Posted by moogoo
thanks guys!
WOW... OLED display? hmm... they are definitely capable, but at this point, I don't trust SE websites ha!
EDIT: whitepaper still says TFT.. it also says "shutter proof glass" so I don't think it's very accurate either. Look forward to an official word! Someone should post a question on the forums. maybe i will
[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2009-11-20 23:32 ]
Posted by sealover94
X10 OLED VERSION is for japan only guys... i think we ve already said that ...
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-21 00:35 ]
Posted by moogoo
sealover ... where was this officially stated?
Posted by LRI
just have to add something about the price, its based of an swedish price which has an 25% VAT on it, most countries have a much lower VAT if any. If you want an idea of price range you are better off comparing relative prices, but 6000 sek is roughly about what you pay for an iphone 3g, an iphone 3gs 32gb is priced at about 9 000 sek in sweden.
Posted by moogoo
what's going on! everyone's posts got rest to ZERO
Posted by synn
Whoa! phone avatars are gone too!
Posted by titus1
Quick question...Is Android is like WinMo that needs a lot of tweaking just to optimize it? Or is it 'good-to-go' kind of OS?