Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-15 19:31:13, garxman wrote:
Thanks @my ninja
In the video at 02.30 he says that it runs with 1.6 but can be updated to 2.0
yes indeed
lets hope it can and will be updated
Posted by anders260
Interesting to see if there will be any updates tommorrow
http://developer.sonyericsson[....]dium=twitter&utm_campaign=news
Posted by garxman
Thank you anders260 for the link
"1GB internal storage..." wow
Posted by my ninja
in all likelihood it will be shared ram/rom, the protos/dev units we've seen show 256/284mb of ram used.
Posted by mreman4k
I need this X10 in my life.
Posted by carkitter
On 2009-11-15 18:06:02, my ninja wrote:
...SE X10
Nokia N900
HTC HD2/Dragon
Motorola Droid
thats the list, thats it 4 phones out of thousands a year, it will be dominant...
Really? Based on what? Your view of a high spec phone?
Nokia N900 is not an Android phone. If it sells in large numbers (for a smartphone, which is not many compared to feature phones or low end phones) it'll be because it has 'NOKIA' written on it, not because of the Maemo platform. Nokia have been unsuccessful in getting S60 to take off as a viable app platform (Apple proved that) I doubt Maemo will be any different. Nokia smartphone customers seldom want smartphone features, strangely. Surveys have shown that most S60 owners don't know their phone has an OS in it. N900 won't be much different.
HTC are not a top 5 handset manufacturer. Their offerings has gained traction lately for the simple reason that there were no competing Android phones from the top 5 handset manufacturers. Now that Motorola,
and LG are in the game, watch the HTC models get forgotten about.
The Droid should do well but don't forget about the Cliq/DEXT. They are cheaper and should sell well. Just because a phone isn't the ultimate high-end model it shouldn't be written off.
The market challenge now is to provide the best user experience and update it regularly with new features ala iPhone firmware updates.
clearly have this sussed because they call their smartphones Xperia, their UI is called User Xperience and they have already indicated updates to Android 2.0 and supported features. Have we had this level of confirmation of future upgrades from Moto, HTC and LG?
are making all the right noises and the videos show an awesome device with a class-leading, future proofed processor. What is there to criticise really? All we need now is a product launch. Roll on February.
Posted by mreman4k
On 2009-11-16 04:11:30, carkitter wrote:
On 2009-11-15 18:06:02, my ninja wrote:
...SE X10
Nokia N900
HTC HD2/Dragon
Motorola Droid
thats the list, thats it 4 phones out of thousands a year, it will be dominant...
Really? Based on what? Your view of a high spec phone?
Nokia N900 is not an Android phone. If it sells in large numbers (for a smartphone, which is not many compared to feature phones or low end phones) it'll be because it has 'NOKIA' written on it, not because of the Maemo platform. Nokia have been unsuccessful in getting S60 to take off as a viable app platform (Apple proved that) I doubt Maemo will be any different. Nokia smartphone customers seldom want smartphone features, strangely. Surveys have shown that most S60 owners don't know their phone has an OS in it. N900 won't be much different.
HTC are not a top 5 handset manufacturer. Their offerings has gained traction lately for the simple reason that there were no competing Android phones from the top 5 handset manufacturers. Now that Motorola,
and LG are in the game, watch the HTC models get forgotten about.
The Droid should do well but don't forget about the Cliq/DEXT. They are cheaper and should sell well. Just because a phone isn't the ultimate high-end model it shouldn't be written off.
The market challenge now is to provide the best user experience and update it regularly with new features ala iPhone firmware updates.
clearly have this sussed because they call their smartphones Xperia, their UI is called User Xperience and they have already indicated updates to Android 2.0 and supported features. Have we had this level of confirmation of future upgrades from Moto, HTC and LG?
are making all the right noises and the videos show an awesome device with a class-leading, future proofed processor. What is there to criticise really? All we need now is a product launch. Roll on February.
1) I would consider HTC a top 5 smartphone manufacturer. They are doing wonderful things with their customizations to Windows Mobile AND Android. They will NOT be forgotten about. Their Sense UI is a differentiator amongst other Android handsets.
2) HTC has also committed to an Android 2.0 update for their HTC Hero phones which currently run Android 1.6. Motorola also already has Android 2.0 and will continue to update the Droid because Verizon is pushing this phone as an iPhone competitor. Sony Ericsson has something to prove here because they have a questionable history when it comes to upgrading capable platforms with the next iteration of an OS (read X1 + WM6.5).
[ This Message was edited by: mreman4k on 2009-11-16 04:10 ]
Posted by carkitter
On 2009-11-16 05:10:01, mreman4k wrote:
1) I would consider HTC a top 5 smartphone manufacturer. They are doing wonderful things with their customizations to Windows Mobile AND Android. They will NOT be forgotten about. Their Sense UI is a differentiator amongst other Android handsets.
2) HTC has also committed to an Android 2.0 update for their HTC Hero phones which currently run Android 1.6. Motorola also already has Android 2.0 and will continue to update the Droid because Verizon is pushing this phone as an iPhone competitor. Sony Ericsson has something to prove here because they have a questionable history when it comes to upgrading capable platforms with the next iteration of an OS (read X1 + WM6.5).
HTC are a top 5 smartphone manufacturer but smartphones are only a small part of the overall market. I believe
, LG, Samsung and Motorola will be successful in shifting a significant portion of their mid and high end feature phone market into smartphones and that will be at HTC's expense. Up until mid 2008 I was a happy mid to high end feature phone owner but now I'm a smartphone owner. Many people like me are wanting to access the extra functionality of apps, browse and read email/social media updates on their phone but we're price conscious and are waiting for the right device. Moto Cliq is a very good start.
Sense UI is an Android fragmenter not a differentiator. Moto and
can get away with this sort of thing because the market is used to feature phones with different (proprietary) UI's but it's not good for the Android platform as a whole to have the OS fragmented in this way - it puts off developers who are needed to create the apps which give a platform the critical mass to become successful.
As far as I know, Palm are the only ones who have actually provided a full (iPhone style) OS update with WebOS 1.3.1
For a minute there I thought you called WM a capable platform.
A good blog about platforms and what makes them successful here.
Posted by my ninja
@cark you took my statement way out of context. it was an illustration as to which phones announced/shipping now that are direct competitors to the X10, and these phones represent the best that the telecomm industry is willing to build and sell, and that there are only a handful of them. so within that, the satisfaction of the state of the X10 shouldnt be so carelessly forgotten/ignored/remissed.
Posted by prototype_bo
On 2009-11-15 14:28:37, sealover94 wrote:
And it is more constructive to discuss the disadvantages rather than advantages(which are obvious and won't change) of sth and when the final product come in stores THINK AND BUY.
Buddy,
I agree that we should highlight any disadvantages, but there's really no need to be feisty.
your comments could be true, but we should reserve the latest judgment until we try the handset "in person" when it gets launched on Feb 2010.
Posted by XPHCTOC
Two more pictures taken with the X10: http://www.flickr.com/photos/virgile-fontaine/4106636332/sizes/o/ and http://www.flickr.com/photos/[....]869379/sizes/o/in/photostream/
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-16 07:08:33, prototype_bo wrote:
On 2009-11-15 14:28:37, sealover94 wrote:
And it is more constructive to discuss the disadvantages rather than advantages(which are obvious and won't change) of sth and when the final product come in stores THINK AND BUY.
Buddy,
I agree that we should highlight any disadvantages, but there's really no need to be feisty.
your comments could be true, but we should reserve the latest judgment until we try the handset "in person" when it gets launched on Feb 2010.
i agree
of course you have to try it by yourself or at least wait for the final specs
On 2009-11-16 10:58:27, XPHCTOC wrote:
Two more pictures taken with the X10: http://www.flickr.com/photos/virgile-fontaine/4106636332/sizes/o/ and http://www.flickr.com/photos/[....]869379/sizes/o/in/photostream/
Unfortunately downscale to 800x600 doesn't help a lot...
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-16 10:01 ]
Posted by bider
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3TOQ5M_C8k
It looks like it's a short video from italian "announcement" (the same sticker like on the video from hdblog.it - Public Annoncement). The speed is very impressive
I don't speak italian - did he say 550 €?[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2009-11-16 12:09 ]
Posted by johanlingon
On 2009-11-16 13:08:09, bider wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3TOQ5M_C8k
It looks like it's a short video from italian "announcement" (the same sticker like on the video from hdblog.it - Public Annoncement). The speed is very impressive
I don't speak italian - did he say 550 €?
[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2009-11-16 12:09 ]
Actually he says
Forze qualcosa di meno 5500 euro = maybe a little bit cheaper than 5500
Posted by XPHCTOC
On 2009-11-16 13:23:45, johanlingon wrote:
On 2009-11-16 13:08:09, bider wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3TOQ5M_C8k
It looks like it's a short video from italian "announcement" (the same sticker like on the video from hdblog.it - Public Annoncement). The speed is very impressive
I don't speak italian - did he say 550 €?
[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2009-11-16 12:09 ]
Actually he says
Forze qualcosa di meno 5500 euro = maybe a little bit cheaper than 5500
they said:
-circa 500euro? = ca. 500?
-Forze qualcosa di meno = maybe a little bit cheaper
[ This Message was edited by: XPHCTOC on 2009-11-16 12:49 ]
Posted by clobar
huge preview:
SE-First.com
[ This Message was edited by: clobar on 2009-11-16 15:42 ]
Posted by Bonovox
www.gsmarena.com showing samples
Posted by moogoo
those samples are from the SE blog... which were posted days ago. nothing new.
Posted by McKinley
On 2009-11-16 16:42:27, clobar wrote:
huge preview:
SE-First.com
[ This Message was edited by: clobar on 2009-11-16 15:42 ]
Rog is one lucky sob
Really nice with that magnifier function in the web browser, shame it hasn't got a proper flash support to play youtube clips directly from the site rather than starting it in a youtube player.
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-16 17:59:39, McKinley wrote:
On 2009-11-16 16:42:27, clobar wrote:
huge preview:
SE-First.com
[ This Message was edited by: clobar on 2009-11-16 15:42 ]
Rog is one lucky sob
Really nice with that magnifier function in the web browser, shame it hasn't got a proper flash support to play youtube clips directly from the site rather than starting it in a youtube player.
+1
Posted by mediar
HDBlog's video is online again.
Posted by Domecot
A new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm9gt7F91h4
Posted by sealover94
speed is acceptable now ..
Posted by hydro-
ahhhh the speed is getting faster and faster each time!
This will be my next phone end of..
Posted by synn
Anyone else notice some UI changes in rog's example?
I like the fluidity of the UI now. It probably still has debug code running in the background, so there's still room for improvement. The final build should and would blow everyone off their feet, I hope!
My only wish is for customized color schemes for the UI. Blue is serene and all, but I'd rather take a dark, contrasty grayscale palette like on the HTC phones. SE says UX is open, so theme creators could theoretically make brilliant skins for Timescape and Mediascape.
Posted by prototype_bo
On 2009-11-17 00:02:02, hydro- wrote:
ahhhh the speed is getting faster and faster each time!
it is evident now, that the handset is still in tweaking phase. lots of things need to be made onto SE UI skin above Android. look at the point where the guy accesses message scape, you sense a bit of stuttering, i think (actually i bet) this will definitely be resolved, and the speed will increase whenever the device gets launched.
i have a question though:
do you think there will be any possibility to shift to the original Donut UI? i mean, skip SE's customized UI?
Posted by bider
On 2009-11-17 04:25:11, synn wrote:
Anyone else notice some UI changes in rog's example?
I like the fluidity of the UI now. It probably still has debug code running in the background, so there's still room for improvement. The final build should and would blow everyone off their feet, I hope!
...
I hope so, but this time I couldn't find any icon in the program launcher like in the previous videos - Dev Tools or Debug Menu...
Posted by pavlov's_dog
Just came from rog's site for the x10 preview. I have to say that it's getting faster and faster and I also noticed that he did not complain about the display. My concern, however, is the theme...it's blue and quite boring..and it's all over the place, from media to phone functions. I want something more high contrast and darker (black or dark gray black ground with splashes of color..well, the entertainment unlimited wallpaper is quite well done). I'm hoping there would be theme options. last but not least, although it's probably just a minor issue that's been nagging at me, on the music section of mediascape when browsing, and aslo on the now playing windows, the album art is stretched. It's definitely not a good look IMO. The proportions should be kept when resizing pics and just crop the sides. It's probably still under development, seeing that concept video preview.
Posted by whentheleveebreaks
This phone is getting more and more tempting.
Only thing putting me off is not being able to sync as well with os x.
Posted by sealover94
ok guys .. some photos for you
and... the first iphone vs x10 screen photo...
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-17 10:06 ]
Posted by se_love
That screen looks much better then the other phones to be honest. So what if its 65k.
Posted by volume100
It does look slightly grainy where blue goes to a brighter one but that might be up to the picture so no big deal. Even if it isn't Android 2.0 will fix that, with or without UX on top of it.
Posted by bider
Here you can find some more: http://www.planete-nokia.com/phpBB2/index.php?showtopic=58698
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-17 11:00:15, volume100 wrote:
It does look slightly grainy where blue goes to a brighter one but that might be up to the picture so no big deal. Even if it isn't Android 2.0 will fix that, with or without UX on top of it.
speed,more colors, multitouch and HD capabilities are now a software issue not hardware. So it's up to SE to make this device a successful smart-phone
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-17 10:05 ]
Posted by McKinley
Drool, it looks more promising day by day.
Posted by tonyitalian
another thing i am very concerned about is the fact that its a full touchscreen and doesnt have a keyboard and therefore how will it be for email/sms typing?
is the droid a better option if you are used to a keyboard phone like xperia x1?
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-17 11:12:35, tonyitalian wrote:
another thing i am very concerned about is the fact that its a full touchscreen and doesnt have a keyboard and therefore how will it be for email/sms typing?
is the droid a better option if you are used to a keyboard phone like xperia x1?
You will have to wait and test it by yourself.. But a 4.0 INCHES screen helps a lot
Posted by McKinley
On 2009-11-17 11:12:35, tonyitalian wrote:
another thing i am very concerned about is the fact that its a full touchscreen and doesnt have a keyboard and therefore how will it be for email/sms typing?
is the droid a better option if you are used to a keyboard phone like xperia x1?
When using it in landscape mode, it shouldn't be such a problem really.
Posted by synn
On 2009-11-17 09:43:09, pavlov's_dog wrote:
Jlast but not least, although it's probably just a minor issue that's been nagging at me, on the music section of mediascape when browsing, and aslo on the now playing windows, the album art is stretched. It's definitely not a good look IMO.
+1
I noticed this as well. Hopefully this would be fixed. It'd be nice if the phone could pull artist pics off the net automatically like the Zune HD does.
Posted by sealover94
Ok
New Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JgP6ryNq9Q
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-17 11:12:35, tonyitalian wrote:
another thing i am very concerned about is the fact that its a full touchscreen and doesnt have a keyboard and therefore how will it be for email/sms typing?
is the droid a better option if you are used to a keyboard phone like xperia x1?
It's all down to software - the fact that it's not multitouch (yet) isn't a good start, as this allows for software keyboards to be much faster and more fluid in operation.
Have to say the reviews haven't been kind to the Droid's "proper" keyboard though - it's glued on, very thin, and not very responsive with little or no movement.
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-17 11:30:44, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-17 11:12:35, tonyitalian wrote:
another thing i am very concerned about is the fact that its a full touchscreen and doesnt have a keyboard and therefore how will it be for email/sms typing?
is the droid a better option if you are used to a keyboard phone like xperia x1?
It's all down to software - the fact that it's not multitouch (yet) isn't a good start, as this allows for software keyboards to be much faster and more fluid in operation.
Have to say the reviews haven't been kind to the Droid's "proper" keyboard though - it's glued on, very thin, and not very responsive with little or no movement.
+1
Here is another video in english this time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uHX3xh7XGU
Posted by McKinley
A lot of jibberish from that overexcited Italian guy.
Posted by Tejstar
Nice spot Sealover. Looking good!
[ This Message was edited by: Tejstar on 2009-11-17 10:46 ]
Posted by moogoo
that guy in the video sealover linked obviously doesn't know the proper specs...
first he says 4.1" screen, which is incorrect only 4"
and then he says AMOLED screen, which we all know is not correct. I turned it off after that cause I didn't want to be told any more incorrect information. Plus, I doubt he'd show me anything more than I haven't already seen from other more accurate reviewers.
Posted by S4k1s
The interface is getting faster and faster
Posted by doministry
Is that the same type of display than on G1?
The one on G1 works with fingertips but NOT really with nails, so also no stylus....
So no precise work....
A very big downgrade in functionality...
Is that the same on X10??
Also - is that true that android has no bluetooth sharing of files?
G1 doesn't have it....
Posted by -16-
It's the same kind of dispaly. It's capacitive. So it won't work with nails. But as I know there are some special stylus to use with capacitive screens. But I don't think you need a stylus, with that huge screen and Android software. You also can't use a stylus with iPhone, but symbols are all big enough, so that you don't need 1.
[ This Message was edited by: -16- on 2009-11-17 14:23 ]
Posted by doministry
On 2009-11-17 15:21:47, -16- wrote:
It's the same kind of dispaly. It's capacitive. So it won't work with nails. But as I know there are some special stylus to use with capacitive screens. But I don't think you need a stylus, with that huge screen and Android software. You also can't use a stylus with iPhone, but symbols are all big enough, so that you don't need 1.
[ This Message was edited by: -16- on 2009-11-17 14:23 ]
Thanks for the answer!
That is extremely dumb and a huge functionality downgrade..
I like when TScreen works with ANYTHING not JUST something
the motherf**k...ing company decides to work with
because they know better.....
This way bye bye android cr..p.
As for working - well mate, maybe to do browsing it's ok,
but for any serious text work finger is a pain in the butt,
whether if it's a 3,5 or 4 inch screen.
It's an unreliable nightmare.
I really think sometimes that that is an idiots-plague in
smartphone industry, getting rid of multifunctional solutions
into dumbed, feature phone-like solutions,
because 90% of users are idiots...
Arghhhh!!!!
Posted by XPHCTOC
@doministry Please stay polite
It has been proved that both systems have their + and -.