Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-10 23:48:09, McKinley wrote:
We can only pray that Sony Ericsson end up making the right decision about the screen issue.
I do however appreciate you keep posting new photos of the X10 so keep it up
[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2009-11-10 22:48 ]
Look that glassy and vivid colored icons look at SATIO
Best screen !
And now look at that ..
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-10 22:55 ]
Posted by untitled1
Maybe it is packaged with 16GB in Russia? A friend bought a W810i about 2-3 years ago and it was apckaged with 8GB Memory Stick in Russia... so what?
And most of the people want a good screen and not one screen which should show 16m colors.
I don't see any proove for a bad screen on the photo I posted above.
Reflections on X10 and X2 are more than on Satio + Satio and X2 have a black background...
On 2009-11-10 23:50:42, sealover94 wrote:
On 2009-11-10 23:48:09, McKinley wrote:
We can only pray that Sony Ericsson end up making the right decision about the screen issue.
I do however appreciate you keep posting new photos of the X10 so keep it up
[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2009-11-10 22:48 ]
Look how glassy icons look at SATIO
Best screen !
And now look at that ..
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-10 22:53 ]
[ This Message was edited by: untitled1 on 2009-11-10 22:58 ]
Posted by sealover94
Posted by defiantbeast
Looking at that pic of the X10 without the battery cover, im know wondering if the memory card will be hot swappable. It looks as thought the sd card is wedge in by the battery, so that you would have to remove the battery to remove the sd card. While this is not a deal breaker it would be annoying to have to pull the battery every time you want to swap sd cards.
Posted by moogoo
On 2009-11-11 03:34:50, defiantbeast wrote:
Looking at that pic of the X10 without the battery cover, im know wondering if the memory card will be hot swappable. It looks as thought the sd card is wedge in by the battery, so that you would have to remove the battery to remove the sd card. While this is not a deal breaker it would be annoying to have to pull the battery every time you want to swap sd cards.
with a 32gb card, how often are you really swapping ???
Posted by OffLineR
@defiantbeast
That was the first thing come in to my mind as well.
@moogoo
I usually don't swap the card but my home and work notebook have card reader and they are way faster than my p1i. since X10 has a direct usb connect maybe that would be different. I don't know but yet I have to have a usb cable with me anyway.
@sealover94
You made a great point. We may be annoyed with your continious complains about the screen but now we all have that in mind, we all hope
fix this 
Thanks for that. I mean it.
BTW, I stop trusting any site's previews when Satio released. Every single one of them has couple of wrong or misguided information. These phone's specs change since their first prototype. Since these sites usually have an early prototype, it is likely to have info like that.
Posted by moogoo
On 2009-11-11 07:03:54, OffLineR wrote:
@moogoo
I usually don't swap the card but my home and work notebook have card reader and they are way faster than my p1i. since X10 has a direct usb connect maybe that would be different. I don't know but yet I have to have a usb cable with me anyway.
You make a good point. I didn't think of transferring to my computer. Then again, I always have a usb cable right by the computer so it wouldn't be a real issue for me. But for laptops and on the go or even at a friend's place. I can see where the issue may come up.
For those rare occasions though, I personally wouldn't mind popping out the battery real quick. Though I can see and understand the desire not to.
Posted by defiantbeast
@moogoo
I actually have a 16gb card and your right i dont switch out often but i will say this when i rooted my htc Ion i had to swap between 2 different sd cards to complete the root access process. So if the battery has to be pulled in order to get to the card it would be a pain in the butt. however now that ive looked at the pic for a while it does seem that the sd card ridge is higher than the battery. I hope anyways, it would seem like a really stupid slip up on the design aspect.
Posted by moogoo
On 2009-11-11 07:36:25, defiantbeast wrote:
@moogoo
I actually have a 16gb card and your right i dont switch out often but i will say this when i rooted my htc Ion i had to swap between 2 different sd cards to complete the root access process. So if the battery has to be pulled in order to get to the card it would be a pain in the butt. however now that ive looked at the pic for a while it does seem that the sd card ridge is higher than the battery. I hope anyways, it would seem like a really stupid slip up on the design aspect.
Yea. let's hope so! btw... sucks eagles lost to the cowboys.. too shame! I miss philly.. sorry for off topic
Posted by anders260
Hi
Read this on http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]iew/htc-hd2-firstlook-en.shtml
The HD2 is HTC's first device to run the brand-new Qualcomm Snapdragon platform boasting a whopping 1 Ghz CPU and other impressive feats, such as the ability to play non-converted videos in 480p resolution and 448 Mb of RAM, which is the absolute record amongst WM-powered phones. Details to follow.
How will the X10 be in comparison will it be able to play non-converted videos in 480p resolution also? or better?
And also how is X10 on the RAM on ROM :
HD2 has
RAM: 448 Mb
ROM: 512 Mb
[ This Message was edited by: anders260 on 2009-11-11 08:32 ]
Posted by Nitro Fan
IF
honor the Android 2 upgrade and dont cripple the android SW with their own rubbish and the build quality is good I would choose this as a direct comparison against the N900 as my next phone.
Posted by synn
On 2009-11-11 10:29:26, Nitro Fan wrote:
and dont cripple the android SW with their own rubbish
Eh?
If anything, the SE additions have always enhanced the Core UI of the respective OS's, everytime they have customized one.
Posted by anders260
Rikard Skogberg says:
November 11, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Hi all!
Just thought I would get in here with some comments and reflections. I’m in no way an expert on X10 nor the Android OS but I’ve been using X10 for a while now and can at least try to answer from that perspective.
Freddy asked about pictures and videos from X10. They will come, I’ve been meaning to shoot some pics for a few days now but the weather here in Stockholm has been really grey and dark so far. Stay tuned though!
ian h. asked about changing color scheme in the UI. regarding that I don’t know any details, I haven’t found a way to change it myself though. I will try to learn more and get back on that!
There were also some discussions on available memory etc. I don’t know technical details there either but from my experience of using it almost everything is really quick and responsive already in this pre-release SW so I’m in no way worried that memory will be a bottle-neck.
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com[....]0-android-and-opengl/#comments
Posted by mediar
Does X10 support java games and which JP version does it support?
Posted by OffLineR
Where is everyone
Posted by goldenface
I'm not expecting the imaging to be much better than the C905 / W995 / Aino tbh.. I think the UI is what is gonna make this phone.
Posted by McKinley
On 2009-11-11 22:05:09, OffLineR wrote:
Where is everyone
Playing Modern Warfare 2
I feel dismay to a certain airport mission in the game
Posted by goldenface
Of course! I thought there was something wrong with Esato's servers.
Posted by sealover94
Just here and waiting for news
Posted by McKinley
Erm....
Is this video really taken by the X10?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwL3Yzpv-0
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-12 02:05:58, McKinley wrote:
Erm....
Is this video really taken by the X10?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwL3Yzpv-0
OMG i hope not !
The quality is awful 
Posted by McKinley
On 2009-11-12 02:34:53, sealover94 wrote:
On 2009-11-12 02:05:58, McKinley wrote:
Erm....
Is this video really taken by the X10?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwL3Yzpv-0
OMG i hope not !
The quality is awful
Perhaps he meant X1
Posted by se_dude
Not likely, because it isnt even VGA.
Posted by prototype_bo
On 2009-11-12 02:34:53, sealover94 wrote:
On 2009-11-12 02:05:58, McKinley wrote:
Erm....
Is this video really taken by the X10?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwL3Yzpv-0
OMG i hope not !
The quality is awful
the resolution is really bad. definitely not from an X10 (or so i tend to believe)
Posted by ron.jeremy
I'll throw in a little something here.
What happens with the amount of colours on the LCD when the X10 get's upgraded to 2.0?
Posted by OffLineR
I have predicted that long time ago.
It'll be 256K
We all hope so
Posted by Hiron
Its better if they prepare 262k screens for later Android upgrade..
Btw could I get the link that states android 1.6 is 65k and android 2.0 is higher? Cant find anywhere..
Hiron
Posted by goldenface
I suspect the LCD of the X10 is capable of much more than 65k.
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-12 13:50:12, goldenface wrote:
I suspect the LCD of the X10 is capable of much more than 65k.
That's why i blame SE's marketing....
Back in 2003-4 p800 was one of the first mobile phones on the market using
-touchscreen
-external memory
-camera
-4096 colors
-mp3/mp4 player
-and OS (symbian/uiq 2.0)
and the ONLY MOBILE ψομβινεδ all these features together !!
and now.....
-no multitouch(yeah!i know!after half a year from now...if there is an update...if they support... if if if may have
)
-memory capacity not enough (8gb in package ... for a 2010 model .. which btw you can't remove without turnin off the device)
-camera is good..but not the best
-colors are bad and far behind competition
-no DIVX ,HD support (pray again for 3rd party apps >> more money)
-and OS is old too
BUT STILL THE SAME PRICE.............
Buying a p800 back then i had all that a high end phone has... I had bought high specs not "may have..in future" specs
I hope that they WILL change some specs before releasing the final product... starting from screen
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-12 13:15 ]
Posted by goldenface
Haven't we discussed this before? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it Android 1.6 limiting the amount of screen colours and handsets with Android 2.0 are being reserved for Google Experience phones?
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-12 14:14:54, goldenface wrote:
Haven't we discussed this before? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it Android 1.6 limiting the amount of screen colours and handsets with Android 2.0 are being reserved for Google Experience phones?
Then don't choose to use ANDROID .. That is not an excuse.... ! And Android WILL support 16m colors by the time x10 hit the stores ...with A 2.0... So ... it will be an old phone...by then
Posted by goldenface
I think I'll wait for the production models and judge for myself.
I don't really care about the specs - power is nothing without control, as someone once put it.
I'm more interested in how it performs in real life and how it feels to use in real life.
So if the screen happens not to have the greatest depth of colour but the UX is breathtaking then that's enough for me to consider getting one.
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-12 14:24:37, goldenface wrote:
I think I'll wait for the production models and judge for myself.
I don't really care about the specs - power is nothing without control, as someone once put it.
I'm more interested in how it performs in real life and how it feels to use in real life.
So if the screen happens not to have the greatest depth of colour but the UX is breathtaking then that's enough for me to consider getting one.
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/community
11. Nov 12, 2009 5:08 AM in response to: OffLineR
Re: Xperia X10's screen
Right now Google Android OS supports 16bit only. X10's hardware can use more colors.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-12 14:05:48, sealover94 wrote:
Back in 2003-4 p800 was one of the first mobile phones on the market using
-touchscreen
-external memory
-camera
-4096 colors
-mp3/mp4 player
-and OS (symbian/uiq 2.0)
and the ONLY MOBILE ψομβινεδ all these features together !!
and now.....
I think this is the real crux of it for me, the reason why when I see people around here trying to rave over the lacklustre crop of recent SE phones I despair. SE used to be capable of so much more - the P800 may not have had the same mainstream support, but in many other ways it was the iPhone of its day, absolutely class leading in every respect and basically the ONLY phone of its type. SE could do that then - they invented things, and weren't afraid to innovate and do something the best it could be done.
Compare that to the sorry state we're in now, just waiting perpetually for SE to release their next attempt to catch up with the rest of the market - if you don't want their mediocre same-as Symbian phone then here's their outdated Winmo handset, or hey, wait six months and they'll sell you an Android phone that's also slightly behind everyone else and looking older by the day... hard to believe it's the same company really.
Posted by anders260
What does this mean, will the screen support 24bit?
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/community
11. Nov 12, 2009 5:08 AM in response to: OffLineR
Re: Xperia X10's screen
Right now Google Android OS supports 16bit only. X10's hardware can use more colors.
Posted by bider
This is the address Sealover wanted to post I suppose: http://developer.sonyericsson.com/community/message/129244#129244
Posted by clobar
On 2009-11-12 14:47:19, Boinng wrote:
I think this is the real crux of it for me, the reason why when I see people around here trying to rave over the lacklustre crop of recent SE phones I despair. SE used to be capable of so much more - the P800 may not have had the same mainstream support, but in many other ways it was the iPhone of its day, absolutely class leading in every respect and basically the ONLY phone of its type. SE could do that then - they invented things, and weren't afraid to innovate and do something the best it could be done.
Compare that to the sorry state we're in now, just waiting perpetually for SE to release their next attempt to catch up with the rest of the market - if you don't want their mediocre same-as Symbian phone then here's their outdated Winmo handset, or hey, wait six months and they'll sell you an Android phone that's also slightly behind everyone else and looking older by the day... hard to believe it's the same company really.
How can you say that it's "sllightly behind everyone else" when it's ( to my knowledge ) the first android phone with a snapdragon processor, a 4 inch screen with a 1500mha battery... Sure SE my have lost the inovation they where known for, but i think this is an realy nice comeback. And their mediocre Symbian phone is from what I have heard one of (two?) phones that may actually be considered as a replacment for a ordianary compact camera.
Posted by OffLineR
On 2009-11-12 15:00:39, anders260 wrote:
What does this mean, will the screen support 24bit?
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/community
11. Nov 12, 2009 5:08 AM in response to: OffLineR
Re: Xperia X10's screen
Right now Google Android OS supports 16bit only. X10's hardware can use more colors.
I have replied to that again. I hope we'll get another great reply for that as well
Last reply:
This is great news. Thanks for the reply.
I'm sure this will make a big difference for customers to choose this phone over many others.
So we should expect 262K or 16m colours support if/when X10 gets Android 2.0 update. Could you share what will be the colour depth that we will be seeing when we get Android 2.0 update for X10.
As you can see I already consider this phone as my next phone. =)
BTW, Link to post: http://developer.sonyericsson.com/community/message/129244#129244 (Thnx bider)
Posted by bider
Finally clean statement: (thx for the effort OffLineR)
13. Nov 12, 2009 8:47 AM in response to: OffLineR
Re: Xperia X10's screen
Hi,
I don't know how many colors Google Android 2.0 can support but our phone can support 16 millions colors.
Best Regards,
Amir
Posted by synn
On 2009-11-12 14:17:52, sealover94 wrote:
On 2009-11-12 14:14:54, goldenface wrote:
Haven't we discussed this before? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it Android 1.6 limiting the amount of screen colours and handsets with Android 2.0 are being reserved for Google Experience phones?
Then don't choose to use ANDROID .. That is not an excuse.... ! And Android WILL support 16m colors by the time x10 hit the stores ...with A 2.0... So ... it will be an old phone...by then
then YOU don't choose the X 10 and get the Satio or something.
Why bitch about something that's clearly not your kind of phone? Get something else.
On 2009-11-12 15:30:54, clobar wrote:
How can you say that it's "sllightly behind everyone else" when it's ( to my knowledge ) the first android phone with a snapdragon processor, a 4 inch screen with a 1500mha battery... Sure SE my have lost the inovation they where known for, but i think this is an realy nice comeback. And their mediocre Symbian phone is from what I have heard one of (two?) phones that may actually be considered as a replacment for a ordianary compact camera.
lol don't pay any attention to him. It's a crime against your brain cells if you do.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-11-12 14:59 ]
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-12 15:30:54, clobar wrote:
How can you say that it's "sllightly behind everyone else" when it's ( to my knowledge ) the first android phone with a snapdragon processor, a 4 inch screen with a 1500mha battery...
Because it isn't the first for any of that yet. You're doing exactly what SE want and talking about the *announced* product as if it's already on the shelves - in reality it isn't ready and won't be available for months yet. In the meantime, more seasoned Android hands such as HTC are due to release Snapdragon-powered Android phones before Christmas, and it's quite probable there may be others by the time the X10 finally limps into view.
Even ignoring the fact that this phone isn't due out till February at the earliest, there are already Android phones on the market now running the later and greater version 2.0. The phone SE have announced for release next year is out of date right now.
And their mediocre Symbian phone is from what I have heard one of (two?) phones that may actually be considered as a replacment for a ordianary compact camera.
In the words of The Register in their review, "a decent operating system and an above-par camera can’t save this expensive, uncomfortable phone from obscurity" - http://www.reghardware.co.uk/[....]meraphone_sony_ericsson_satio/
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-12 15:16 ]
Posted by anders260
Happy days
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/12/happy-days/
Posted by clobar
Because it isn't the first for any of that yet. You're doing exactly what SE want and talking about the *announced* product as if it's already on the shelves - in reality it isn't ready and won't be available for months yet. In the meantime, more seasoned Android hands such as HTC are due to release Snapdragon-powered Android phones before Christmas, and it's quite probable there may be others by the time the X10 finally limps into view.
Even ignoring the fact that this phone isn't due out till February at the earliest, there are already Android phones on the market now running the later and greater version 2.0. The phone SE have announced for release next year is out of date right now.
I would be very surprised if HTC released another handset before christmas. Its now mid november and by this time I would think its already to late if you want to release for the christmas sales. And by the way, I own an HTC device and I wont do that mistake again. The only thing keeping me from throwing it away is the fact that I can update it with custom ROMs to make it at least usable. So newer again a HTC. And about Android 2.0, i see nothing worth updating for except the new google maps with navigation. The rest of the improvements SE has already taken care of.
Posted by synn
I know I just said "ignore Boinng", but I can't let this idiocy go on.
In the meantime, more seasoned Android hands such as HTC are due to release Snapdragon-powered Android phones before Christmas, and it's quite probable there may be others by the time the X10 finally limps into view.
I'm sorry, "such as HTC" what?
Mr. Peter Chou himself has said on record that they COULD do an Android version of the Leo right now, but they WON'T because WinMo is their flagship OS. Who died and made you Pope so that you can override his authority?
Even ignoring the fact that this phone isn't due out till February at the earliest, there are already Android phones on the market now running the later and greater version 2.0. The phone SE have announced for release next year is out of date right now.
There are already Android what?
There is ONE Android phone out there with 2.0. ONE.
And it so happens is that it is a Google Experience device. None of the existing phones have been assured a 2.0 upgrade officially except the Hero and guess what? It runs on shitty hardware.
For someone chastising SE for announcing a phone months before release, you have NO RIGHT to talk about how the competition MAY have better phones. When they DO come out, you'll have a valid point. As of right now, this is one of the most complete phones not just on Android, but on all given platforms. Jesusphone included.
Till then, you have absolutely nothing worthwhile in your rants. nadda.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-12 16:19:35, clobar wrote:
I would be very surprised if HTC released another handset before christmas. Its now mid november and by this time I would think its already to late if you want to release for the christmas sales.
If they don't put it out in December then it'll be very soon after - they're leaders in the Android field, they're already using the Snapdragon in winmo (in a device that's actually on the market), and they don't announce phones six months in advance like SE.
And by the way, I own an HTC device and I wont do that mistake again. The only thing keeping me from throwing it away is the fact that I can update it with custom ROMs to make it at least usable. So newer again a HTC.
I own one too and can fully sympathise, but seriously, as much as I imagine you're hoping this isn't the case, SE have NOTHING to shout about when it comes to hardware or software quality control - they've long since ruined their reputation there too.
And about Android 2.0, i see nothing worth updating for except the new google maps with navigation. The rest of the improvements SE has already taken care of.
That's just silly - SE have added third party apps for some additional features over 1.6, but 2.0 is a new version of the OS, integrating and optimising those features into core itself, together with other improvements - plainly better.
PS - I never said I'd ignore Synn, but I will anyway.
Posted by synn
lol you have to. you have no answer!
Posted by McKinley
Boinng. are you aware of that Motorola Droid/Milestone are using some beta stuff still?
Good day for you Sealover and me
and of course all other people who do care about 16m colour display[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2009-11-12 16:07 ]
Posted by sealover94
OK
Happy news ! 16M support ...so if they can get us an upgrade to A 2.0 and multitouch then this will be my next phone ! 
I'll have to use 3rd party apps for divx but what the hell.... 1ghz cpu
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-12 17:01:30, McKinley wrote:
Boinng. are you aware of that Motorola Droid/Milestone are using some beta stuff still?
You mean the Navigation Maps? What else is beta? To be fair, I think the point is it's a phone designed and built around 2.0, you get a 2.0 experience in the box and it'll undoubtedly take the future 2.x updates with ease. With the X10, SE seem to have taken this completely backwards step in centering everything around 1.6, for a phone being released next year when everyone else will be prepping 2.0 upgrades. It makes no sense until you consider SE's recent track record, and you realise that internally, they probably had this pegged for a Q3 release originally...
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-12 17:13:29, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-12 17:01:30, McKinley wrote:
Boinng. are you aware of that Motorola Droid/Milestone are using some beta stuff still?
You mean the Navigation Maps? What else is beta? To be fair, I think the point is it's a phone designed and built around 2.0, you get a 2.0 experience in the box and it'll undoubtedly take the future 2.x updates with ease. With the X10, SE seem to have taken this completely backwards step in centering everything around 1.6, for a phone being released next year when everyone else will be prepping 2.0 upgrades. It makes no sense until you consider SE's recent track record, and you realise that internally, they probably had this pegged for a Q3 release originally...
+1
See you tommorrow guys
Going to the "2012" premiere now [ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-12 17:08 ]