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Sony Ericsson X10 Official Thread


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Posted by Tsepz_GP
Dont realy understand all the disappointment you are all talking about, this must be one of the best specd Androids, looks very promising IMO. Although i do get this unbelievably sick feeling that SE may decided to keep this as 1.6 and release a device running 2.0 i hope thats not going to happen.
Prom1
Im sure that 1GB is internal memory, the X10 must have around 256-288mb RAM ,or around 400mb like HTC Leo.


Posted by XPHCTOC

On 2009-11-03 10:04:23, sealover94 wrote:
i hope too much on this phone and SE dissapointed me once again..

16k for 4.0 inches no multitouch and no oled screen?
android 1,6?? I want to believe an Android 2.0 udate but i don't think so...
And what about HD capabilities??



It won't have 16k colours but at least 262,144.
No multitouch because of google (and its rumored exclusive agreement with moto) but there will be hopefully an update.

Posted by bider
according to the spec sheet it has 262,144 colours. http://www.engadget.com/photo[....]elease-and-spec-sheet/2413833/

Posted by Hiron
I doubt it was 16k screens. It's not standard and could be a typo...

And don't judge the contrast by looking at poor-quality hands-on photos. We should see the LCD directly by our eyes to judge it! Maybe when it's launched on February. After all, pics from engadget that is used in presentation is a proto. Final retail could had much better plastic and material...


Hiron
[ This Message was edited by: Hiron on 2009-11-03 09:41 ]


Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-03 10:34:26, XPHCTOC wrote:

On 2009-11-03 10:04:23, sealover94 wrote:
i hope too much on this phone and SE dissapointed me once again..

16k for 4.0 inches no multitouch and no oled screen?
android 1,6?? I want to believe an Android 2.0 udate but i don't think so...
And what about HD capabilities??



It won't have 16k colours but at least 262,144.
No multitouch because of google (and its rumored exclusive agreement with moto) but there will be hopefully an update.


Is this true?
(den mou to eipes apo xthes na mh xairomai .. auth h SE apisteuth einai ... )

Posted by bider

On 2009-11-03 10:37:22, sealover94 wrote:

On 2009-11-03 10:34:26, XPHCTOC wrote:

On 2009-11-03 10:04:23, sealover94 wrote:
i hope too much on this phone and SE dissapointed me once again..

16k for 4.0 inches no multitouch and no oled screen?
android 1,6?? I want to believe an Android 2.0 udate but i don't think so...
And what about HD capabilities??



It won't have 16k colours but at least 262,144.
No multitouch because of google (and its rumored exclusive agreement with moto) but there will be hopefully an update.


Is this true?
(den mou to eipes apo xthes na mh xairomai .. auth h SE apisteuth einai ... )


Read my above post about colours. The rest... who knows

Posted by sealover94
new videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92GpDzebTLo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QjWQUoE-gg


Posted by Hiron
Had 3 question regarding Android as a smartphones:
1. Does it has Office Document Editor? So we can edit word and excel directly. Satio has it.
2. Does the web-browser support full-desktop Flash? So we can watch a desktop version of YouTube sites directly. Satio can do that.
3. Does it has Clear Audio experience? Aino can do that


Hiron
[ This Message was edited by: Hiron on 2009-11-03 09:49 ]


Posted by jack00
guys stop complaining
this device is nearly perfect - it only lacks multitocuh
the UI is perfect, and the first one which can really compete with the iphones UI

the best news today is that this is just the beginning of rechael smartphone series - this is what apple forgot to do

sony ericsson is back in the game

Posted by McKinley
Thank you people such as some people in here, for overhyping this handset!
Sony Ericsson definitely have left the building long time ago and with this release they prove it.
I'm with a few people in here, this is definitely the disappointment of the year by a long shot.
The leaked brochure has absolutely nothing to do with it, because I knew it was fake from the very first second I saw that video but having official people stating Android 2.0 along with X10 and Sony Ericsson making a mini site to tease us, was hardly worth my anticipation and attention.
Somwhere in this mobile community world, they are celebrating this utter failure and for once it's justified.
Those pcitures Sealover has linked to shouldn't make anyone happier because even my Xperia X1 doesn't let the colourse fade away like that when tilting the device.

Milestone, here I come!

Posted by Platia1
Really nice phone, I am really disappointed by the lack of an Equaliser though

Posted by sealover94
Even Satio has 16m colours...

Posted by McKinley
I may exaggerate abit now when calling this disappointment of the year.
X10 is the best specced Donut phone after all and I can only hope the display supports 16.7 but the OS limits it to just 256k. For a facebook junkie like a few of my friends are, this handset is most likely the dream phone.

Posted by sambouka
You may exaggerate???????

Thank you people such as some people in here, for overhyping this handset!
Sony Ericsson definitely have left the building long time ago and with this release they prove it.
I'm with a few people in here, this is definitely the disappointment of the year by a long shot.
The leaked brochure has absolutely nothing to do with it, because I knew it was fake from the very first second I saw that video but having official people stating Android 2.0 along with X10 and Sony Ericsson making a mini site to tease us, was hardly worth my anticipation and attention.
Somwhere in this mobile community world, they are celebrating this utter failure and for once it's justified.
Those pcitures Sealover has linked to shouldn't make anyone happier because even my Xperia X1 doesn't let the colourse fade away like that when tilting the device.


I may exaggerate abit now when calling this disappointment of the year.
X10 is the best specced Donut phone after all and I can only hope the display supports 16.7 but the OS limits it to just 256k. For a facebook junkie like a few of my friends are, this handset is most likely the dream phone.




Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-03 11:13:27, McKinley wrote:
I may exaggerate abit now when calling this disappointment of the year.
X10 is the best specced Donut phone after all and I can only hope the display supports 16.7 but the OS limits it to just 256k. For a facebook junkie like a few of my friends are, this handset is most likely the dream phone.


That is not an excuse.... So why they didn't use v.2.0 ??
So this is final?? 16000 colors ONLY ????
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-03 10:18 ]


Posted by >500
@sealover
is there really that much of a difference between 16mil colours? No!

We all know are capable of making a good screen. and they do so frequently!

Posted by ron.jeremy
About wether this device have 16 million colours or 262k, is of very very little importance imo.
Look at the Hero, i haven't heard complaints about this LCD, and how many colours have this device?

Let's see if it gets an update to Eclair, it's shame if not, i agree, onboard memory with 1GB is also pretty lame.
And what kind of video resolution it has is an open question also...
And the screen is a smudge magnet, should've been like the 3GS..
And the price is pretty steep, other than that, this device is great imo.
i encourage you whiners to look for a better powered Android device guys, or a better looking one.

When was the last time SEMC announced something close to this device?

It's here in February, and this is the first in a range of android powered devices from SEMC, i find that hard to be anything other than good news imo, and surely, some will be eclair powered as well.


Posted by XPHCTOC
For the final specs, we better should wait for the white paper.
Guys the human eyes can't see more than a few hundred thousand colors. That 16M colors thing is MARKETING...

Posted by amdx2
thus, this x10 looks awesome.. screen size awesome but i think its little bit too big.. 4" is big.. i still think x2 is better not that i'm a winmo/M$ fanboy..

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-03 11:17:56, >500 wrote:
@sealover
is there really that much of a difference between 16mil colours? No!

We all know are capable of making a good screen. and they do so frequently!



Well yes...in a 4-inches screen YES...
Look how blue-ish it looks... and bad contrast too...

I hope it is just a proto and a bad photo... but Satio proto screen look so much better and vivid !

Posted by obakesan
now this is more like it. possibly my next phone and 1st touch screen one. something still about SE design and combined with Android which is appealing compared to other offerings (for me anyway).

I wonder, will this come with thew newly announced MW600 BT headset that has a built-in radio? If so, that be sweet. Would be nice though if came with Android 2.0, was kinda hoping it would as the announcements seemed so "close".

EDIT: ok, guess not, lol, just saw the in-box contents on press release, just normal headphones.
[ This Message was edited by: obakesan on 2009-11-03 10:43 ]


Posted by McKinley

On 2009-11-03 11:20:00, ron.jeremy wrote:
About wether this device have 16 million colours or 262k, is of very very little importance imo.
Look at the Hero, i haven't heard complaints about this LCD, and how many colours have this device?

Let's see if it gets an update to Eclair, it's shame if not, i agree, onboard memory with 1GB is also pretty lame.
And what kind of video resolution it has is an open question also...
And the screen is a smudge magnet, should've been like the 3GS..
And the price is pretty steep, other than that, this device is great imo.
i encourage you whiners to look for a better powered Android device guys, or a better looking one.

When was the last time SEMC announced something close to this device?

It's here in February, and this is the first in a range of android powered devices from SEMC, i find that hard to be anything other than good news imo, and surely, some will be eclair powered as well.




Drittgubbe Ron Jeremy
You know my SE heart and now when everything has settled down abit I don't feel that disappointed when I first read Android 1.6. It's all about what you can do with your phone that matters in the long run and I have given my SEXperia X1 a new and healthy life thanks to all the ROMs out there.

After have seen those two videos by Sealover, I can't stop thinking of that nifty feature with photo tagging.
A feature I discovered in Windows 7 as well and I like it.

Posted by bider
@sealover: are you reading these posts or you just want to complain a bit? Here's the spec sheet from sony ericsson. It clearly says 262.144 (two hundred and sixty two thousands) colours.

@all: I really can't understand why the only thing you people can do is complaining. The phone we saw on all these videos is pre-production device. It will be faster for sure. 262.144 colours is really enough! I'm using X1 with only 64.000 colours and the only disadvantage is jerky gradient. X10 can display 4 times more colours - it's really enough. Another thing which I really can't understand are all these posts considering the the contrast. Have you guys ever tried to take a photo of any handset with DSLR, with the direct or a side light (or with the flashgun directed into the celing)? It will lose the contrast because this is how you make the glass reflect the light (the photo posted by sealover is a good example). Reading these posts is starting to make me really bored. Sorry for my english, but I just couldn't resist to say this...

And by the way... This is a photo of Satio... (screen is reflecting the light) ehhhh...

[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2009-11-03 10:49 ]


Posted by sambouka
From : http://se-blog.com/

The camera is an 8 megapixel autofocus camera with an LED flash. It supports advanced face recognition with built-in tagging functionality of your friends. Smile shutter and geotagging is of course also available and so is high definition video recording.

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-03 11:43:05, bider wrote:
@sealover: are you reading these posts or you just want to complain a bit? Here's the spec sheet from sony ericsson. It clearly says 262.144 (two hundred and sixty two thousands) colours.

@all: I really can't understand why the only thing you people can do is complaining. The phone we saw on all these videos is pre-production device. It will be faster for sure. 262.144 colours is really enough! I'm using X1 with only 64.000 colours and the only disadvantage is jerky gradient. X10 can display 4 times more colours - it's really enough. Another thing which I really can't understand are all these posts considering the the contrast. Have you guys ever tried to take a photo of any handset with DSLR, with the direct or a side light (or with the flashgun directed into the celing)? It will lose the contrast because this is how you make the glass reflect the light (the photo posted by sealover is a good example). Reading these posts is starting to make me really bored. Sorry for my english, but I just couldn't resist to say this...

And by the way... This is a photo of Satio... (screen is reflecting the light) ehhhh...

[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2009-11-03 10:49 ]



Should i say i am happy ? Yesterday here in esato we were talking for 16000000 colours oled screen with multitouch capabilities... I AM DISSAPOINTED !

And these photos from Satio are much better ! It's not a reflection point!It's a low contrast blue-ish screen of X10.

And where are the speakers??


[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-03 11:03 ]


Posted by XPHCTOC
Since SEXX (10 in latin) has a capacitive screen, it's highly possible that multitouch will come with an update to 2.1. (the new version of android coming at the end of this year). Android has a very good upgrade politic: the devices under this Os upgrade easily to the latest version. More than 60% of the devices are now running donut, 30% are running cupcake.
Android + SE = HOT thing
Edit: Could anyone help us to understand what are those holes for.
Is the hole on the upper part (on the left side) dedicated to open the battery cover (à la X1).
[ This Message was edited by: XPHCTOC on 2009-11-03 11:27 ]



Posted by Deron
I know that SE are trying to bring a whole new experience to Android...

But compared to what Motorola unveiled last week I feel underwhelmed.

They are officially announcing this phone today and look at the unfinished state it's in. I'm sorry, but you want the first impression that people get of a device to be a lasting one.

The Motorola Droid was a show stopper.

The HTC HD2 was a show stopper.

The Xperia X10 unveil is embarrassing. Slow and laggy.

If it's not ready don't show it.

Posted by Haribolman

On 2009-11-03 09:11:31, XPHCTOC wrote:

On 2009-11-03 08:35:02, Haribolman wrote:
So now I ask myself, what happened to the idiot who posted the "now obviously" fake brochure of the X10 specs on youtube?

According to that document, the phone was meant to have 32 gb on board with and 1080p.

All I can say is he no longer has ANY credibility and will never be believed again!!



According credibility to a 15years old kid?
[ This Message was edited by: XPHCTOC on 2009-11-03 08:13 ]



And you can tell TheImad003 is 15 how?

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-03 12:06:55, XPHCTOC wrote:
Since SEXX (10 in latin) has a capacitive screen, it's highly possible that multitouch will come with an update to 2.1. (the new version of android coming at the end of this year). Android has a very good upgrade politic: the devices under this Os upgrade easily to the latest version. More than 60% of the devices are now running donut, 30% are running cupcake.
Android + SE = HOT thing


You say that the hardware suppots multitouch ?

Take a look at this photo to see what i mean when i say bad screen


Posted by Muhammad-Oli
@sealover: How old are you? You need to grow up. Asking stupid questions like "where are the speakers?" and having a cry. What does it matter where the speakers are? Of course it has speakers.

Time and time again people have told you that amounts of colours don't matter much but you still complain. Wait until the screen is confirmed before you comment. Showing us pictures of the screen doesn't prove anything at all, Sony Ericsson makes good screens and I can't think of a single high-end Sony Ericsson screen that has been bad in the last few years. I just went from a C902 (262k) to an Aino (16mill) and there is no noticeable difference. I guarantee you the screen on the X10 will be superb. Do you see any major websites complaining about the screen in their hands-on with the phone?

OLED was never ever a rumour. Nobody credible said that was coming, so I don't now where you got that from. Please quit being a whiner or take your complaints elsewhere. Every major new SE phone thread has your whining in it, and quite frankly I think we're all sick of it.

Posted by bider

On 2009-11-03 12:14:38, sealover94 wrote:

On 2009-11-03 12:06:55, XPHCTOC wrote:
Since SEXX (10 in latin) has a capacitive screen, it's highly possible that multitouch will come with an update to 2.1. (the new version of android coming at the end of this year). Android has a very good upgrade politic: the devices under this Os upgrade easily to the latest version. More than 60% of the devices are now running donut, 30% are running cupcake.
Android + SE = HOT thing


You say that the hardware suppots multitouch ?

Take a look at this photo to see what i mean when i say bad screen

**PHOTO**


I still don't understand why you're indicating the screen is bad... This photo is out of focus (look at the xperia logo).

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-03 12:18:43, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
@sealover: How old are you? You need to grow up. Asking stupid questions like "where are the speakers?" and having a cry. What does it matter where the speakers are? Of course it has speakers.

Time and time again people have told you that amounts of colours don't matter much but you still complain. Wait until the screen is confirmed before you comment. Showing us pictures of the screen doesn't prove anything at all, Sony Ericsson makes good screens and I can't think of a single high-end Sony Ericsson screen that has been bad in the last few years. I just went from a C902 (262k) to an Aino (16mill) and there is no noticeable difference. I guarantee you the screen on the X10 will be superb. Do you see any major websites complaining about the screen in their hands-on with the phone?

OLED was never ever a rumour. Nobody credible said that was coming, so I don't now where you got that from. Please quit being a whiner or take your complaints elsewhere. Every major new SE phone thread has your whining in it, and quite frankly I think we're all sick of it.



Not young enought to respond to your personal "refferings" ....

Okay.. blame the engadget photographer... as you wish...i'm not tryin to convince any of you...
This called PERSONAL opinion..

Posted by Muhammad-Oli
@sealover:



Sony Ericsson's 262k screens are noted as being some of the best on the market. The above image is the official specs taken from Engadget where it lists a 262k scratch resistant display. Now get over it.

Posted by sealover94
c905's screen is much MUCH different than w995 screen... both having same resolution and colors... So what??

Multitouch?16M AMOLED? RING ANY BELLS TO YOU ??

Is this video out of focus too ??????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ytEOOTGtIo

Or they slow down the speed The phone software is SOOO slow.... prepare for delays..
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-03 11:33 ]


Posted by Muhammad-Oli

On 2009-11-03 12:28:53, sealover94 wrote:
c905's screen is much MUCH different than w995 screen... both having same resolution and colors... So what??

Multitouch?16M AMOLED? RING ANY BELLS TO YOU ??


Well no. AMOLED was never a rumour from a trusted source.

And neither the C905's or W995's screen are at all bad from experience. Both were really really good.

Posted by bider
XPERIA X10 White paper. Enjoy http://developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=102192

Posted by HxH
Sick of ur posted sealover94

Posted by tomasz.luch

On 2009-11-03 12:18:43, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Showing us pictures of the screen doesn't prove anything at all, Sony Ericsson makes good screens and I can't think of a single high-end Sony Ericsson screen that has been bad in the last few years. I just went from a C902 (262k) to an Aino (16mill) and there is no noticeable difference. I guarantee you the screen on the X10 will be superb. Do you see any major websites complaining about the screen in their hands-on with the phone?


I''l add something to your post.
The first thing - if you read about human eye, its sensitivity and so on you can find out that 16.7mil of colors is marketing. This was proven and it's obvious.

The other thing is far more important. If someone doesn't know LCD works this way:
- there is source of light under the crystals and there are color filters over crystals. For each pixel there are 3 crystals (with red, green, blue filters over them). To create 262k of colors you have to give certain amount of power to each pixel. To create 16.7mil of colors you have to give MORE power to each pixel than for 262k. This math is simple. More power equals more battery drain.

So - If there is no difference for human eye when using 262k or 16.7mil and 16.7mil drains more battery which one do you choose?
[ This Message was edited by: tomasz.luch on 2009-11-03 11:38 ]


Posted by Muhammad-Oli

On 2009-11-03 12:35:57, HxH wrote:
Sick of ur posted sealover94



I've decided to ignore him. He is just a troll, and an extremely ignorant, misinformed one at that.

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-03 12:34:48, Muhammad-Oli wrote:

On 2009-11-03 12:28:53, sealover94 wrote:
c905's screen is much MUCH different than w995 screen... both having same resolution and colors... So what??

Multitouch?16M AMOLED? RING ANY BELLS TO YOU ??


Well no. AMOLED was never a rumour from a trusted source.

And neither the C905's or W995's screen are at all bad from experience. Both were really really good.



of course is not bad. C905's screen is the BEST !

But why this personal attack??? i just post photos and videos proving what i'm saying why you attack me....
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-03 11:42 ]


Posted by XPHCTOC

I''l add something to your post.
The first thing - if you read about human eye, its sensitivity and so on you can find out that 16.7mil of colors is marketing. This was proven and it's obvious.

The other thing is far more important. If someone doesn't know LCD works this way:
- there is source of light under the crystals and there are color filters over crystals. For each pixel there are 3 crystals (with red, green, blue filters over them). To create 262k of colors you have to give certain amount of power to each pixel. To create 16.7mil of colors you have to give MORE power to each pixel than for 262k. This math is simple. More power equals more battery drain.

So - If there is no difference for human eye when using 262k or 16.7mil and 16.7mil drains more battery which one do you choose?


+12 Tomasz.luch
I TOTALLY AGREE

Edit: I think we should stop talking about the screen... There are many remaining questions (is there an equalizer? does it have xvid support?)
[ This Message was edited by: XPHCTOC on 2009-11-03 11:42 ]


Posted by iqtidar
is this the iphone killer? *sarcasm*

great hardware................................... thats all i can say.

Posted by McKinley
AMOLED is not such a deal breaker for me and nor is the amount of colours as long as it exceeds 65k.
In a display with that high resolution, 65k is not enough because you clearly see a more obvious colour transition but having four times as much as SEXperia X1 makes a big difference in terms of smooth colour transition.


Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-03 12:42:22, iqtidar wrote:
is this the iphone killer? *sarcasm*

great hardware................................... thats all i can say.


Seriously..is this looking like iphone killer to you ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ytEOOTGtIo

Soooo slow!
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-03 11:51 ]


Posted by tomasz.luch
Back to discussion.
I am really dissapointed. And its not about X10. Its about company doing the same mistake again. Showing device in alpha stage. Without finished and polished software.
This device is awesome and I am sure after optimization it will do great in terms of response times.

I know its marketing thing. Motorola showed their device, time is running out and so on but... showing unfinished product is not good way of stealing Motorolas thunder...

I am eagerly waiting for updates in dev paper, for new leaked movies showing optimized software and for price information

Posted by XPHCTOC
@Iqtidar: Two things are missing bigger internal memory and the multitouch "gadget"*. It will be a serious competitor for sure.

*I cannot say multitouch changed my life (I use two computers with multitouch capabilities and it's clearly a gadget, only a gadget).
That's funny to play with google earth with two fingers that's all! But I can do exactly the same thing by double tapping.

@Tomasz.luch: they have made exactly the same mistake with an alpha X1 at 2008 MWC...
@sealover: that's an early prototype! And I would like to make a precision: the donut under UX is VERY FAST (you can see how fast the browser is). They need to improve their UX.
[ This Message was edited by: XPHCTOC on 2009-11-03 11:55 ]


Posted by mediar
I'm sure the speed will be fixed and optimized before the official release. I really like that phone. I'm not sure how many colours does the screen have - 16millions or 262k.

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-03 12:49:51, XPHCTOC wrote:
@Iqtidar: Two things are missing bigger internal memory and the multitouch "gadget"*. It will be a serious competitor for sure.

*I cannot say multitouch changed my life (I use two computers with multitouch capabilities and it's clearly a gadget, only a gadget).
That's funny to play with google earth with two fingers that's all! But I can do exactly the same thing by double tapping.

Edit: they have made exactly the same mistake with an alpha X1 at 2008 MWC...
[ This Message was edited by: XPHCTOC on 2009-11-03 11:51 ]



@Xristo (prepei na to paradextoume) this is not the device we are all expexted.. and i understand some people being angry with me here..


Posted by motvikt

On 2009-11-03 12:47:28, tomasz.luch wrote:
Back to discussion.
I am really dissapointed. And its not about X10. Its about company doing the same mistake again. Showing device in alpha stage. Without finished and polished software.
This device is awesome and I am sure after optimization it will do great in terms of response times.

I know its marketing thing. Motorola showed their device, time is running out and so on but... showing unfinished product is not good way of stealing Motorolas thunder...

I am eagerly waiting for updates in dev paper, for new leaked movies showing optimized software and for price information



agree. SE really did a misstake showing it in an alpha-state. For people like me it doesnt matter, I know it will be fixed and im still gonna buy it (love it!). But all the n00bs are now complaining about the laggy interface and how SE always f**k it up. Makes me sad that SE did such a poor job presenting this wonderful device

about price, the swedish site "mobil" said 6000sek, a little less than 600euros.

Posted by Mizzle
Might I add that the prototype handsets don't rely on the GPU power of the Snapdragon chipset? Currently, everything is being rendered by the 1 GHz CPU. Anyone with just the slightest bit of computer knowledge will tell you that CPU's suck at rendering graphics, so the CPU in the X10 is actually doing quite a good job already. It'll be much improved once they transfer the calculations to the GPU.

Just wait for it to get announced. More info will be available there.
[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2009-11-03 11:57 ]



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