Posted by wiraperkasa
doesn't the touchHD2 with 4.3 inch screen also comes with 65k?the screen looks okay..
Posted by xenia
On 2009-11-08 09:54:35, wiraperkasa wrote:
doesn't the touchHD2 with 4.3 inch screen also comes with 65k?the screen looks okay..
+500
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-08 09:57:46, xenia wrote:
On 2009-11-08 09:54:35, wiraperkasa wrote:
doesn't the touchHD2 with 4.3 inch screen also comes with 65k?the screen looks okay..
+500
Doesn't the HTC HD2 already in stores ???
Posted by xenia
And what? It has 65k colors and bigger screen
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-08 11:27:14, xenia wrote:
And what? It has 65k colors and bigger screen
Well i think it is called "evolution".. anyway i've already told you about the difference between 16m-256k-65k in a previous post
Posted by carkitter
X1, X2 and X10 are all 65k screens. Isn't that consistency? Anyone expecting 16.7m colours was clearly misinformed.
Posted by makebelieve
HD2 has bigger screen but lower resolution...
Posted by wiraperkasa
On 2009-11-08 11:17:16, sealover94 wrote:
On 2009-11-08 09:57:46, xenia wrote:
On 2009-11-08 09:54:35, wiraperkasa wrote:
doesn't the touchHD2 with 4.3 inch screen also comes with 65k?the screen looks okay..
+500
Doesn't the HTC HD2 already in stores ???
but still, most of your concern is about the screen, not the availability...
Posted by xenia
On 2009-11-08 11:58:00, makebelieve wrote:
HD2 has bigger screen but lower resolution...
Oh yes! 800x480 vs 852x480) Great difference!
Posted by se_love
We still fighting on the screen? Jesus Christ so what if its 65k. A lot of phones still have it and do you see any problems with them?
Posted by goldenface
On 2009-11-08 12:39:31, se_love wrote:
We still fighting on the screen? Jesus Christ so what if its 65k. A lot of phones still have it and do you see any problems with them?
Amen to that!
No one complained so much about the 65k screen of the X1, in fact some people said it was the best display they'd ever seen. Can anyone point to an Android handset that has more than 65k screen colours? The G1 has a lcd capable of 262k but its limited by the OS to 65k.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-11-08 12:42 ]
Posted by Bonovox
Not getting into any argument about difference in screen colours. But i see zero difference between a 262k on a Sony Ericsson to a 16m colour Nokia. I cant see it. So a screen with 65k but with such high resolution its going to look fab anyway
Posted by McKinley
Unlike Microsoft, Google don't take years to upgrade their OS and that's where my interest in having a display supporting more than just lousy 65k colours comes in. I didn't care about that when I bought my Xperia X1 for over a year ago.
Sony Ericsson haven't officially said X10 wont have support for next version of Android, just that UX platform will evovle to it. Still it leaves the possibility open to see X10 running Android 2.0 in a not too distant future after it has been released.
If Sony Ericsson really intend to have a prominent device of the first half of 2010, they should give us official support to Android 2.0 or even better abolish 1.6 completely.
The chances are great that Xperia X10 will be the last high end device based on Android 1.6 while rest are moving to 2.0 and here UX platform wont help.
Sony Ericsson outbest Nokia in the display part, that's not a secret.
I did a fair comparison between my N82 and Sony Ericsson K850 quite some time ago and K850 looked better which kinda surprised me back then.
That was when common resolution was 320x240 which means the display can show 76800 different colour nuances at the same time, so there was no real use of having a display supporting millions of colours
Today we are using WVGA resolution which means 409920 different colour nuances as it is for the X10.
Only blind people wouldn't be able to see the differences here.
[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2009-11-08 13:54 ]
Posted by sealover94
Ok here are some more CONFIRMED info about X10
:
Video recording : 480x854 pixels,30fps
Not support DIVX (but with an additional application, on Android Market, yes).
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-08 15:20 ]
Posted by my ninja
Video Codec: H.263 Profile 0 level 10 ; H.263 Profile 0 level 45 ; H.263 Profile 3 level 10 ; H.263 Profile 3 level 45 ; H.264 Level 1 ; H.264 Level 1b ; MPEG-4 Level 0 Part 2 Visual Simple profile ; MPEG-4 Level 0b Part 2 Visual Simple profile ; MPEG-4 Level 1 Part 2 Visual Simple profile ; MPEG-4 Level 2 Part 2 Visual Simple profile ; MPEG-4 Level 3 Part 2 Visual Simple profile ; Windows Media Video 9 Local + streaming: QCIF@15 fps 128 kbit/s
Video Codec Encoding: H.263 Profile 0 level 10 Encoding ; MPEG-4 Level 0 Level 0b Level 1 Level 2 Level 3 Visual Simple profile
Video Mime Type: 3GPP video/3gpp ; MP4 video/mp4 ; MP4 video/mp4v-se Receiving only ; MP4 video/mpeg4 Receiving only ; Real8 Video video/vnd.rnrealvideo ; Real8 Video video/x-pn-realvideo Receiving only ; SDP application/sdp ; Windows Media video/wmv
Posted by anders260
"Hey guys, what’s up? How are You all?
I am in a pretty good mood due to the white X10 in my hands. It’s super fast, I mean WARP 10 fast! I mean it really! The only thing that is killing me is the damn screen. I truly hope that the 65k is for the protos only . I updated it to android 2.0 but it isn’t fully compatiblee, unfortunetly for NOW!!! Any way I love what Sony Ericsson made to the interface and the MediaScape and TimeScape are pure power and unseen magic! This is gonna be the top phone. Can’t wait to see a show-off unit!"
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com[....]0-android-and-opengl/#comments
Posted by my ninja
kar, se_love, golden
go over to xda and see if they dont complain about the screens!
like i said before and ill say it again, winmo DOESNT count as its a limitation of winmo 6.5 some of the newer screens that come out and the HD2 is one of them that when its upgraded to winmo7 will be able to display more colors b.c of the memory allocation within windows mobile. x1/x2 are winmo phones android doesnt have a limit on colors. x10 is geared more towards ent than business (ie keyboard/winmo).
it is counterproductive to market a phone as a media/socially integrated device with that kind of codec support and the 8.1mpx cam to have a 65k screen. its not logical. if there are more colors you are satisfied either way, b.c it doesnt matter to you doesnt mean that its irrelevant to discuss. everyones eyes for the most part are capable, however being aware is a whole different story. it seems to be a personal issue with you guys not being able to detect color gradients, id prefer not to be distracted by that, when watching a 16:9 clip. go look at the color samples a few pages back, the difference is abundantly clear.
"johnnys phone doesnt have it, its ok if mine doesnt", is what got SE throwing money out of the window trynna be be like johnny. they need to lead, leading is NOT following. marketing a device for the tech savvy consumer leading the announcement by saying LOOKLOOK! theres a QSD8250 inside (when was the last time SE announced the proc the same day as the phone ...) and then showing the pictures of a dull faded screen with uneven and very visible backlighting is wholly unacceptable. i disagree with your premise its stooped in "well the other phones around are fine, so this must be ok", [sar]why not go back to 2003 and get a P900 it will suit your needs just fine![\casm] id like a phone that reflects the time, thats why ppl _UP_grade. its 2010 for a flagship its unacceptable.
FTR: 262K is also unacceptable in this day and age.
EDIT: this is from and SE job description:
Product Quality Manager
Today, the mobile device market has become very competitive and having the most amazing and differentiated user experiences has become the key to winning in the marketplace. The consumers today refer to the best device as one that provides the best user experience for their needs and that they can trust, and these have become the criteria that the users judge their perception of quality of the device against. This perception from consumers of how great the product is based on these criteria is called perceived quality. Perceived quality is all about developing the products for the consumers by finding out what are the experiences that they desire on their mobile devices and then making sure that these experiences are delivered on the devices just the way our consumers need them. It is one of the most important elements that drive the product’s success. Sony-Ericsson is putting our bets on winning our consumers by delivering the products with the best-in-the-class perceived quality.
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2009-11-08 17:05 ]
Posted by Bonovox
No the Nokia N82 is not Nokia's best quality screen. They often make better screens than most imo for direct sunlight viewing.
Posted by OffLineR
So, when we are going to pre order
Posted by defiantbeast
That video on vimeo shows that the ui is pretty responsive and snappy. They probably gave them one of the alpha phones for the release event (Someone dropped the ball on that one). As far as the screen i will reserve judgement till i see more info, i can see both sides of the argument but am of the camp that doesnt believe it will effect the phone that much if at all, well see. As far as android 2.0 eclair it will be available soon after its release, possibly jumping ahead to 2.1 flan just like HTC is doing with sense ui (theyre skipping 1.6 donut and going straight to eclair 2.0). Good job SE youve managed to reafirm my intrest in your products and have earned my money, now all you need to do is get this phone released asap.
Posted by koto
So far, this is my next phone
I too hope we well not wait to much.
Posted by carkitter
On 2009-11-08 17:02:40, my ninja wrote:
...EDIT: this is from and SE job description:
Product Quality Manager
Today, the mobile device market has become very competitive and having the most amazing and differentiated user experiences has become the key to winning in the marketplace. The consumers today refer to the best device as one that provides the best user experience for their needs and that they can trust, and these have become the criteria that the users judge their perception of quality of the device against. This perception from consumers of how great the product is based on these criteria is called perceived quality. Perceived quality is all about developing the products for the consumers by finding out what are the experiences that they desire on their mobile devices and then making sure that these experiences are delivered on the devices just the way our consumers need them. It is one of the most important elements that drive the product’s success. Sony-Ericsson is putting our bets on winning our consumers by delivering the products with the best-in-the-class perceived quality.
That paragraph is about user experiences provided by software (apps); how does it reinforce you rant about hardware?
X10 all about innovation in software, the hardware (except for Snapdragon) is secondary. Using such a powerful processor demonstrates the depth of software innovation
have planned. This phone could be as revolutionary as the iPhone 3G was.
Posted by TJMonkey15
On 2009-11-08 20:46:47, koto wrote:
So far, this is my next phone
I too hope we well not wait to much.
I like how you put that (specifically the part I bolded). Same with me. For now, I'm really wanting this phone, but who knows what will change by the time it's released.
Posted by sealover94
There are many chances to see sth better till the time it will be released... Lets see...
Posted by domipost
On 2009-11-08 17:02:40, my ninja wrote:
FTR: 262K is also unacceptable in this day and age.
I agree 65k is a bit low (not unacceptable, that's ridiculous to say about some colours in the screen. 4096 would be, but 65k is pretty ok). But to say that 262K is unacceptable is bs. Most probably, the human eye can't even see 16M colours and though we can see more than 262K that's only a verry small difference in real life. Not only that, the fact too is that most of todays phones have "only" 262K colours so if you think it's unnacceptable for these times, it's you who has to think again. That's like saying that every phone must have an 8MP cam, because there are a couple that have so.
Posted by my ninja
for a high end device?
because i wasnt talkin about any old kinda celly.
Posted by carkitter
But, that's the whole point - what defines high end in Q1 2010?
You say it's hardware, I say it's software. I say that iPhone 3Gs is a high-end phone with only 3.2Mp camera and no slide-out keyboard. Some say that's madness but the world has moved to these touch enabled, app focused, mid-spec phones with a vengence.
Sure, the X10 with a 16.7m colour screen would be even more awesome, but the number of colours is not THAT fundamental to the purpose of the device.
Posted by goldenface
According to PaultjeBosvelt in the rumours thread this phone will be available from Monday 15th February or from week 7.
Posted by adhgklk
wow!
this is so thinner!
Posted by jmcomms
I was told mid-late February, so I'd go along with that date.. although SE has a lot of work to do on its overlaid UI before then!!
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-09 00:16:44, goldenface wrote:
According to PaultjeBosvelt in the rumours thread this phone will be available from Monday 15th February or from week 7.
Confirmed about week 7
BUT this can change .. it is just a marketing plan.. you know SE..
Posted by michka
On 2009-11-08 23:12:43, domipost wrote:
On 2009-11-08 17:02:40, my ninja wrote:
FTR: 262K is also unacceptable in this day and age.
I agree 65k is a bit low (not unacceptable, that's ridiculous to say about some colours in the screen. 4096 would be, but 65k is pretty ok). But to say that 262K is unacceptable is bs. Most probably, the human eye can't even see 16M colours and though we can see more than 262K that's only a verry small difference in real life. Not only that, the fact too is that most of todays phones have "only" 262K colours so if you think it's unnacceptable for these times, it's you who has to think again. That's like saying that every phone must have an 8MP cam, because there are a couple that have so.
There is one additional thing that has to be considered, namely the number of brightness levels the human eye can distinguish for one single colour. It is generaly accepted that the eye can easily detect around 256 different levels of grey, for example. Or 256 levels of green, of blue, of red. Unfortunately, this number is only attained with a 16 M colours display: 3 x 8 bits per basis colour (R, G, B), or 256R x 256G x 256B total colours. 256 K colours displays only will enable you to have 64 different levels of grey (6 bits per colour). And you will see strong banding. And it is even worse wit a 64 K colour system, of course.
[ This Message was edited by: michka on 2009-11-09 00:39 ]
Posted by defiantbeast
hey i have a question, and forgive my ignorance in advance, but how would 16million colors effect battery life???
[ This Message was edited by: defiantbeast on 2009-11-09 04:43 ]
Posted by synn
Page 33 and the complaints still haven't stopped?
I have a 16m phone (Satio) and I don't see a perceivable difference while watching a video on it vis-a-vis an X1. In fact, i'd have liked a 256k screen on the Satio because that'd have improved the battery life.
So all you spec-sheet warriors, keep on bickering. Don't ever stop. It's immense entertainment for those of us blessed with a level head.
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-09 12:21:00, synn wrote:
Page 33 and the complaints still haven't stopped?
I have a 16m phone (Satio) and I don't see a perceivable difference while watching a video on it vis-a-vis an X1. In fact, i'd have liked a 256k screen on the Satio because that'd have improved the battery life.
So all you spec-sheet warriors, keep on bickering. Don't ever stop. It's immense entertainment for those of us blessed with a level head.
That is a battery problem on SATIO ... not screen.... They could use a 1500mAh... I had mentioned the battery issue back then but you had said that ...for one more time... "Oh .. it's a perfect phone....@sealover stop saying bad things..."
SE must improve the screen of their 2010 high-end phone.
As i said :
On 2009-11-05 22:33:30, sealover94 wrote:
On 2009-11-05 22:27:47, tranced wrote:
I just thought of this thread when some members started complaining about the X10 screen
No that's the difference... look at the sky ....
So for you wondering does it matter if screen is 65k or 262k colors? The answer is YES !
Let me clarify this:
1) 65k colors means 16 bit colors, and this is made using 32 Red colors, 64 Green and 32 Blue (2^5=32, 2^6=64, 5+6+5=16 bits, 32x64x32=65536 colors)
2) 262k (18 bit) colors are made using 2^6 colors in every three channel. (2^6=64, 64x64x64=262144)
So in 16 bit system green has 2^6 different tone as human eye is most sensitive to green color. So with 65k colors you have in fact just as good green as with 262k colors. Only the red and blue is problematic.That's why the blue-ish problem in x10 screen !
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-09 12:24 ]
Posted by moogoo
On 2009-11-09 12:21:00, synn wrote:
Page 33 and the complaints still haven't stopped?
I have a 16m phone (Satio) and I don't see a perceivable difference while watching a video on it vis-a-vis an X1. In fact, i'd have liked a 256k screen on the Satio because that'd have improved the battery life.
So all you spec-sheet warriors, keep on bickering. Don't ever stop. It's immense entertainment for those of us blessed with a level head.
haha.. spec sheet warrior.. i like that.
I for one have never been disappointed with an SE screen. I'll reserve judgment til I can see it in person, which will be when I buy it! ha.
I am curious though, if SE plans to release the X10a the same time as the X10. I don't want to wait 6 months extra for the american version...
And question about the video recording, EDIT:... nevermind i looked it up
[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2009-11-09 12:23 ]
Posted by synn
On 2009-11-09 13:21:16, sealover94 wrote:
That is a battery problem on SATIO ... not screen.... They could use a 1500mAh... I had mentioned the battery issue back then but you had said that ...for one more time... "Oh .. it's a perfect phone....@sealover stop saying bad things..."
I'm extremely satisfied with the battery life of my Satio, actually. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't wish for more, does it? If you can't figure out that a 16M screen is more power hungry than a 256k one, I feel nothing but sympathy for your utter lack of common sense.
BTW, I don't ever recall calling it a perfect phone. Do provide quotes if you can refute that. I'm, waiting.
Don't let that distract you from your core objective though. By all means, continue with the Whine-a-thon.
Edit:
I am curious though, if SE plans to release the X10a the same time as the X10. I don't want to wait 6 months extra for the american version...
From what I remember seeing, there is only 1 version of the X10 and it's universal, compatible with AT&T and T-Mo frequencies.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-11-09 13:26 ]
Posted by moogoo
@Synn,
there seems to be two unfortunately. Being in the US, i get redirected to X10a website.
I would assume that means there's an american version since that's always been the case with the "a" in the name.
Posted by Legen
The screen thing is getting kinda tired guys.
Posted by se_love
On 2009-11-09 15:10:56, Legen wrote:
The screen thing is getting kinda tired guys.
Posted by >500
On 2009-11-09 15:10:56, Legen wrote:
The screen thing is getting kinda tired guys.
+10000000000000000
seriously sealover, i think i speak for most, if not all, those following this thread. By now, we FULLY understand your issues with the screen. But we dont need to hear it 5352 times...
Sure every one is entitled to an opinion, but your taken it to a whole new (albeit a very annoying) new level!
And commenting on a screens performance from videos/photos, and with no hands on experience with the x10, rediculous!
Let it go!
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-09 15:18:18, >500 wrote:
seriously sealover, i think i speak for most, if not all, those following this thread.
1. Sealover has a perfect right to post his opinion here, the same as you.
2. You have absolutely NO right to speak for anyone else here.
Posted by synn
On 2009-11-09 15:23:47, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-09 15:18:18, >500 wrote:
seriously sealover, i think i speak for most, if not all, those following this thread.
1. Sealover has a perfect right to post his opinion here, the same as you.
2. You have absolutely NO right to speak for anyone else here.
He speaks for me, Ron Jeremy and quite a few others who have vocally expressed their displeasure at sealover's annoying, never-ending cryfest.
Got any beef with that?
Posted by >500
On 2009-11-09 15:23:47, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-09 15:18:18, >500 wrote:
seriously sealover, i think i speak for most, if not all, those following this thread.
1. Sealover has a perfect right to post his opinion here, the same as you.
2. You have absolutely NO right to speak for anyone else here.
care to re-read my post?
i said he is entitled to his opinion, bet lets be 'mature' about it hey, is there really a need for him to post nothing except stuff regarding the screen?
again though, please re read my post if you think i dont want him to have an opinion. and yes, i speak for many others, rather than 50 of us asking him to stop, read over, you will see im not the only one
Posted by goldenface
On 2009-11-08 16:49:51, anders260 wrote:
Any way I love what Sony Ericsson made to the interface and the MediaScape and TimeScape are pure power and unseen magic! This is gonna be the top phone. Can’t wait to see a show-off unit!"
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com[....]0-android-and-opengl/#comments
Any Idea when you're receive a show-off unit? The interface does indeed look spectacular and on such a large screen it'll certainly be a show stopper - or magical as you so nicely put it. All those icons dancing around is great.
Do you know if it will be customisable at at all? For instance will we be able to choose the screen background colour, etc?
Posted by emo
you won't be comparing the screen to other phones everyday. 65k color screen is still pleasant to use
but....
65k color screen is still sooooo... yesterday!
flagship devices should never be generations of hardware behind....
...just my few cents
[ This Message was edited by: emo on 2009-11-09 14:56 ]
Posted by koto
On 2009-11-09 01:15:04, sealover94 wrote:
On 2009-11-09 00:16:44, goldenface wrote:
According to PaultjeBosvelt in the rumours thread this phone will be available from Monday 15th February or from week 7.
Confirmed about week 7
BUT this can change .. it is just a marketing plan.. you know SE..
In that case I could give myself a nice birthday gift (23.02.)
Regarding screen there is one more thing. If it is bad a small number of X10 will be sold and SE will meet a failure - deserved in that case. If it is good it will be a different story. So at the end it is all about money which comes from customers' satisfaction. I appreciate people here who want nothing less than perfect phone as, like in politics, votes (purchases) choose a market leader. Although we don't need a multimillion 'screen' posts campaign
I personally don't count collors, just look at the screen and deside if it is good or bad. For example X1 screen is superb although brightness or colours of God knows what could be better (it's somehow a bit dark).
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-09 16:01:08, koto wrote:
On 2009-11-09 01:15:04, sealover94 wrote:
On 2009-11-09 00:16:44, goldenface wrote:
According to PaultjeBosvelt in the rumours thread this phone will be available from Monday 15th February or from week 7.
Confirmed about week 7
BUT this can change .. it is just a marketing plan.. you know SE..
In that case I could give myself a nice birthday gift (23.02.)
Regarding screen there is one more thing. If it is bad a small number of X10 will be sold and SE will meet a failure - deserved in that case. If it is good it will be a different story. So at the end it is all about money which comes from customers' satisfaction. I appreciate people here who want nothing less than perfect phone as, like in politics, votes (purchases) choose a market leader. Although we don't need a multimillion 'screen' posts campaign
I personally don't count collors, just look at the screen and deside if it is good or bad. For example X1 screen is superb although brightness or colours of God knows what could be better (it's somehow a bit dark).
Last prototype here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILcdmJlEiIc
colors still looks awful
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-09 16:31 ]
Posted by SE-Naz
This video looks the same as the one you posted just now...
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-09 17:39:27, SE-Naz wrote:
This video looks the same as the one you posted just now...
No it is not..
Speed has been increased
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-09 16:42 ]