Posted by my ninja
so you think that:
480*854
1gHz CPU + GPU
256MB RAM
700MB ROM + 32GB+ MicroSDHC
is not aimed at the top of the market?
cuz if not then im confused ...
let me just put it this way, if you wanted each pixel to show different colors you would run out of colors before pixels. thats unacceptable in this day and age when the satio is sitting pretty with 16M ...
for one flying minute that shouldnt make sense.
262K (or 65K
) vs 16M on a device already out. there is a lack of clarity and vision within SE to see how this is rediculous.
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-05 23:52:54, my ninja wrote:
so you think that:
480*854
1gHz CPU + GPU
256MB RAM
700MB ROM + 32GB+ MicroSDHC
is not aimed at the top of the market?
cuz if not then im confused ...
let me just put it this way, if you wanted each pixel to show different colors you would run out of colors before pixels. thats unacceptable in this day and age when the satio is sitting pretty with 16M ...
for one flying minute that shouldnt make sense.
262K (or 65K
) vs 16M on a device already out. there is a lack of clarity and vision within SE to see how this is rediculous.
32GB of what ?? 8gb in package up to 16gb
Posted by etaab
No i dont.
Sure the specs in the hardware department may seem high. But then, why only a 8mp camera ? why not a true-colour screen ? why not Android 2.0 ?
If SE really wanted to make this the top of the table phone, they would concentrate not only on what is important to the geeks, but what is also important to the joe average consumer. No ?
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2009-11-05 23:01 ]
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-05 23:28:29, etaab wrote:
I think its a very good phone.
What i also think is people on this thread seem to think this phone is aimed at being the top dog in the mobile phone world. From the specs alone, clearly SE have no intention of making it so.
+1 unfortunately yes ..
i miss p800 days...
Posted by Saka
On 2009-11-05 22:33:30, sealover94 wrote:
So with 65k colors you have in fact just as good green as with 262k colors. Only the red and blue is problematic. That's why the blue-ish problem in x10 screen !
So there is pretty simple solution for
: just change the color of their UI to green! 
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-06 00:08:26, Saka wrote:
On 2009-11-05 22:33:30, sealover94 wrote:
So with 65k colors you have in fact just as good green as with 262k colors. Only the red and blue is problematic. That's why the blue-ish problem in x10 screen !
So there is pretty simple solution for
: just change the color of their UI to green!
lol
Posted by my ninja
@sealover94 32gb microsdhc cards (+ being however large they get in the next 8-12months)
@etaab i understand the 8.1mpx with satio placed right there as well as the EU part, and not cannibalizing sales of another device. and your right why not have a xvYCC screen?
and if they pander to the geeks average joe is ultimately covered, i dont get that argument, its the same with firefox and its stance on tabs. if you dev a phone to the TOP then the little things are covered for average joe, then again who cares what he thinks if he doesnt know about it hes not getting the most utility out of the device anyway and probably purchasing it at the end of the lifecycle for $99 at walmart ... im not concerned about his concerns because if you remember average joe thought the razr was a good device ...
they need to change the screen, they should be embarrassed (b.w the P900 coming out in 2003 having the same color and the Satio having 16M as a contemporary device) there should be no reason to have this conversation. its pathetic. it only bugs me because the message is so mixed from the marketing team who i wouldnt ever trust to the whitesheets (thank you engineers! who know whats up) that its no wonder that the phone is the materialization of that confusion. Screen Color and Compass were the last things i would think that wed be talkin about today.
and to tell the truth android 1.6 isnt that bad, i dont care about the things i can change myself, that includes multitouch w/ android 2.0
Posted by sealover94
And i was hoping the silver side part was metal at least... but ....
Reminds you sth ??
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-05 23:37 ]
Posted by etaab
Look, the point im making is pretty simple.
Experia devices such as the X10's forefathers have never been aimed at joe average. Thats why they lack hardware and software features you would find in a phone like the Satio, or a N97, or an iPhone. Even the styling isnt something you'd imagine appealing to everyone. Look at the X1 - Windows mobile, very good at what it does but the most boring mobile OS ive used, ever.
I believe the X10 is yet another niche handset. I do support SE but i believe they're releasing this far too late and pretty soon HTC will have something with far better specs.
You could say i see this phone as rather pointless
Posted by Saka
On 2009-11-06 00:18:11, sealover94 wrote:
[ This Message was edited by: Saka on 2009-11-05 23:44 ]
Posted by moogoo
On 2009-11-06 00:37:16, sealover94 wrote:
And i was hoping the silver side part was metal at least... but ....
Reminds you sth ??
Looks like finger prints in the x10 photo? doesn't look the same to me. but who knows
Posted by TJMonkey15
^^^
I agree. Sure look like fingerprints to me in the X10 photo.
I'm still very much looking forward to this phone releasing, despite what a lot of people are saying about it. I do think it sucks it's not being released earlier though. Unless Q1 means some time in January, it'll be too long before it's out and you're right, similar/better phones may be out and grab our attention.
Posted by Indiandawg
On 2009-11-06 00:37:16, sealover94 wrote:
And i was hoping the silver side part was metal at least... but ....
Reminds you sth ??
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-05 23:37 ]
I use to love the build quality of Sony Ericsson cell phones until I bought X1i and the back was litreally full of scratches and white markings. I had to tell them please send me another battery cover cause my neighbour's small kid was playing with my X1i and now I bought like few days ago. So riddiculious that they sell such expensive phones and then I have to deal with such minor issues which looks so unattractive and dull.
Posted by carkitter
You guys are still missing the point.
X10 is designed to be the top phone... not top in the spec race (which is obselete in case you're still living in 2007) but top in User Experience, the area in which the iPhone smashed all so-called smartphones to smithereens and became a runaway success.
To my knowledge the Snapdragon proceesor is the newest/best/fastest smartphone processor around and has been rumoured for 3G enabled Netbooks up until this point. So
are actually using a Netbook processor in a smartphone which in car terms is like sticking a 3.0L V6 in a Mini. Might I remind people that the current best phone (the iPhone 3Gs) runs only a 600MHz processor and my iPhone 3G 8GB is a comparatively light 400MHz?
You guys are still wrapped up in the spec race. It hasn't been about the best spec for two years now; get with the program. N96, N97, Satio etc are on the wrong path unless they can get users online more than previous S60 phones and downloading apps more than previous S60 phones.
In lieu of having a vast online store to compete with Apple, manufacturers such as HTC, Motorola and
have to provide better cameras and other spec than the iPhone to stay in the headlines, but it's all about the UI now: integrating information in one place and providing ongoing software functionality upgrades and has a big tick in all those boxes with this phone.
X10 is quite frankly AWESOME with a capital 'O'.
65K screen is not going to hold this phone back. I'm really looking forward trying Mediascape and Timescape because innovation these days is in the software rather than the hardware.
[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2009-11-06 04:58 ]
Posted by moogoo
i'm very excited for the x10.
i think the average user wouldn't care about the number of colors being displayed as long as it looked good. And really, so far it's proto, and for all we know it could change in the release version. So, let's wait and see.
I agree with carkitter that it's about the user experience and I think the X10 will surely deliver. I'm excited to see more of timescape and mediascape in real world use. I'm also curious about emailing/text msging with the on screen keyboard since there isn't multi-touch, this would be the only area I would be concerned as it would slow down typing. But, it is definitely not a deal breaker and merely a very small speed bump that will be an afterthought after a few days of use.
i can't wait for more videos to pop up!
Posted by pandthu
i am finding it wired...... whats with 65k colours... android 1.6 only supports 65k colours
HTC tatoo , htc hero alll are at 65k
so whats the big deal in it....
Its an OS limitation... not sony ericsson's
correct me if am wrong
Posted by roanmy
ˆ
But motorola on 2.0 will have 16mill.
Couldn't SE have put a better display in it and then 1.6 would use 65K and then more after upgrading?
I'm most likely still getting this though.
Posted by my ninja
you all can dance in the daisy's all day long singing songs ...
you cant say the phone is a top phone, but not a spec whore, when it CLEARLY is, theres NO doubt about it, none. you dont put a 480*854 screen in a phone to say hey, we just put a 4" screen with 400,000 pixels the first pretty much at that size and density, and sit here and tell me that the N96/97 were/are an equal comparison. the iphone doesnt multitask theres no need, look im tired and your points are valid you value the user experience, i value hardware, i am willing to flash the device nullifying SE's attempt at UI. so personally i couldnt care about the user feel, matter of fact the iphone is the epitome of retarded OS's its so locked down theres no way to customize it to your needs. most of the specs on the phone are in space they are so high upto and including 2/3 parts of the screen, but coming out with 2003 colorscale seems weak.
at least the battery is huge. there were so many place to F the phone up, and at least its only a compass and color depth, theres hope that what we saw is not 100% representative of the final effort at SE.
EDIT: i asked amir about the compass from the dev blog and he said that he installed the compass app and it worked, so there is a compass afterall. now for me its a one horse race in getting some color.
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2009-11-06 14:17 ]
Posted by pandthu
so if X10 gets android 2.0 upgrade it will; definitely have 262k or 16mill... ... so lets cross our fingers .....
Posted by pavlov's_dog
wow. lots of trolling here lately. maybe you guys should open a negative thread so people here can really discuss about the phone. and btw, 65k is the limit for Donut just like winmo 6.1 on x1. I bet the screen can actually support 16M. In real life though, it really wouldn't matter.
Posted by ron.jeremy
On 2009-11-06 08:25:49, pavlov's_dog wrote:
wow. lots of trolling here lately. maybe you guys should open a negative thread so people here can really discuss about the phone. and btw, 65k is the limit for Donut just like winmo 6.1 on x1. I bet the screen can actually support 16M. In real life though, it really wouldn't matter.
Couldn't agree with you more!
Maybe the mods are on vacation, i have never seen a worse tread in my life, totaly ruined by some biased kids, to bad.
This devices deserved better imo...
Posted by ljf881
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+1 with a capital...eh...1
While the trolls are sleeping, maybe we can have a sensible discussion about the phone. Anyone knows about DLNA? And videostreaming over the network?
Edit: typo
[ This Message was edited by: ljf881 on 2009-11-06 08:00 ]
Posted by carkitter
@my ninja
The purpose of a 4" screen these days is to provide an improved user experience through better browsing, better multimedia and more room for touch activated buttons in apps (all things that the iPhone does well) not for bragging rights alone which used to be the case. Since when did availability of a digital compass become a deal breaker in a mobile phone? Does anything other than an iPhone 3Gs have one?
Posted by mq_blaugrana
Does the phone support file transfer through bluetooth , or not because of Android 1.6?
Posted by CELL-P
(FWVGA 480×854 + 4") + 65K colors = Definitely a wasted opportunity.
When the global market finally got FWVGA phones ( only 2 actually ), SE ruins the whole thing as usual.
I want S001's 3.3" FWVGA AMOLED 16m colors display on a global phone, it is much better than this!!!!
After waiting for somethings to become clear, I can say that I am not satisfied at all. I am waiting for a phone that has at lest properly equipped 3.3" FWVGA display ( AMOLED preferred ) and a properly equipped >=8 megapixel camera with high-resolution video recording and support and high build quality. In addition to the other important features such as Wi-Fi, GPS, stereo speakers....etc of course. Samsung and the Japanese manufacturers ( SHARP, NEC and Panasonic if they produce global phones next year as they mentioned earlier this year ) can do it easily. This was Sony Ericsson's last chance for real and I was expecting to get disappointed again.
Okay, what about the video recording,the speakers and the camera quality of X10? Oh wait, do I need to know.... duh.
Posted by anders260
Hi
can someone explain what the compass is used for on a phone?
Posted by skynet
Main reason for a digital compass is to know how the map you are looking at is oriented when using GPS. It's not fun coming up from the subway trying to figure out which direction is which. For the moment I have to walk a bit 30-40 meters before my phone knows directions
Posted by goldenface
Sony Ericsson to open up Timescape and Mediascape UX apps
SDKs for both apps to be release during 2010
No sooner has Sony Ericsson released the attractive X10 Xperia mobile phone then it announces that the two star apps featured on the UX operating system, Timescape and Mediascape, will be opened up to developers. Software development Kits (SDK) are to be released for both apps during the new year.
The company also admitted to the Electric Pig website that it intends to port the UX OS to other devices over its Symbian and Android portfolio - including the new Kurara?
"We are keen to open up the APIs for these applications, and we welcome a dialog with developers to get ideas and feedback, with a view to launching a Sony Ericsson SDK in early 2010," said the company.
Timescape, a management program, "manages all your communications with one person in one place. Browse through your conversations...to check out your Facebook, Twitter, photos, emails and texts all in one go." whilst Mediascape allows you to, "...get all the music, photos and videos you want from your favourite friends and artists. It accesses content from everywhere - your phone, YouTube, PlayNow - and presents everything for you."
Posted by ron.jeremy
The last question remains though, what about the video rec?
Some says VGA, other HD?
What is the real deal?
Posted by carkitter
HD video recording is rather unlikely don't you think?
Posted by CELL-P
On 2009-11-06 10:09:07, ron.jeremy wrote:
The last question remains though, what about the video rec?
Some says VGA, other HD?
What is the real deal?
If it had HD video recording they would have written HD on every part of the phone and would have mentioned this every time they mention the phone
Posted by se_dude
Mizzle says it has HD recording. But then he is not around now.
Posted by CELL-P
I will 100% satisfied with a FWVGA 480×854 video recording @ 30FPS, but with a 16m display and stereo speakers.
Posted by moogoo
Remember guys... the phone is still proto and we have yet to see the other features of the phone. We've only been shown timescape, media scape, and two native android apps (maps and browser).
It doesn't seem like there is a consistent set of specs for X10 across the board as there seems to be conflicting information all over the place.
I hope it can record HD. It certainly has the power to do so.
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-06 10:37:15, moogoo wrote:
Remember guys... the phone is still proto and we have yet to see the other features of the phone. We've only been shown timescape, media scape, and two native android apps (maps and browser).
It doesn't seem like there is a consistent set of specs for X10 across the board as there seems to be conflicting information all over the place.
I hope it can record HD. It certainly has the power to do so.
and divx support too ...
but it seems that for SE facebook and twitter is more important than screen,video,radio,stereo speakers.... or they choose the cheapest way ...
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-06 09:46 ]
Posted by moogoo
still 3-4 months til release... i anticipate (and hope for) drastic improvements in everything that everyone has been disappointed about....
Looking forward to additional information, video tutorials/walkthroughs, etc!
EDIT: I just went to the X10's website... being in the US, it automatically redirected me to X10a. WHAT'S GOIN ON!?!? I thought it was gonna be a world release!! I don't want to have to WAIT for an american version
[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2009-11-06 09:54 ]
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-06 09:25:43, anders260 wrote:
Hi
can someone explain what the compass is used for on a phone?
Aside from orienting maps, it's also increasingly used for augmented reality apps, which seem to be the next big thing. These typically combine the camera, GPS and compass to show you a live image of wherever you are, augmented with useful information on whatever (or whoever) you're looking at. Google "layar" for one example, it's already big on the original G1 Android phone, Magic, Hero, and iPhone 3GS, all of which have a compass.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-06 10:19 ]
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-06 11:10:56, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-06 09:25:43, anders260 wrote:
Hi
can someone explain what the compass is used for on a phone?
Aside from orienting maps, it's also increasingly used for augmented reality apps, which seem to be the next big thing. These typically combine the camera, GPS and compass to show you a live image of wherever you are, augmented with useful information on whatever (or whoever) you're looking at. Google "layar" for one example, it's already big on the original G1 Android phone, Magic, Hero, and iPhone 3GS, all of which have a compass.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-06 10:19 ]
that is why compass is SOOO cool feature for a phone ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0J3QYRPLLQ
Posted by clobar
On 2009-11-06 08:25:49, pavlov's_dog wrote:
wow. lots of trolling here lately. maybe you guys should open a negative thread so people here can really discuss about the phone. and btw, 65k is the limit for Donut just like winmo 6.1 on x1. I bet the screen can actually support 16M. In real life though, it really wouldn't matter.
You may actually have a very good point here, that would explain why there is such a confusion form se:s side.
Posted by CELL-P
On 2009-11-06 10:53:38, moogoo wrote:
EDIT: I just went to the X10's website... being in the US, it automatically redirected me to X10a. WHAT'S GOIN ON!?!? I thought it was gonna be a world release!! I don't want to have to WAIT for an american version
[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2009-11-06 09:54 ]
That's another SE problem. They should stop the whole "a" version nonsense and start producing quad-band phones and NAM 3G support seriously to satisfy North Americans.
I can feel your pain moogoo. Your disappointment is doubled now.
[ This Message was edited by: CELL-P on 2009-11-06 10:42 ]
Posted by TheHank
I guess the compass issue is solved. A nice person asked about in the SE dev forum and got a positive answer.
So now it is only the screen issue that needs attention. This phone will be great then! Btw it is already great but will be even better...
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/community/thread/50022?tstart=0
Posted by clobar
Has anyone seen this on the official blog, The have changed the question regarding android version to:
Will the X10 receive Android 2.0 update (for those who bought from the initial batches with Android 1.6) ?
The UX platform used for Xperia X10 will evolve to Android 2.0 over time.
So I guess that 2.0 will indeed be available on the phone.
Posted by anders260
Video: Communication and Media ( are at work so can't tell if it's an old video/news)
http://www.mobil.se/artikel/v[....]_mob_adm_091106101638-749.html
Posted by sealover94
These are VERY good news !!! well it seems they get the message..
And now about the screen
Posted by XPHCTOC
extract from: http://developer.sonyericsson.com/community/thread/50022?tstart=0
"Re: Digital Compass' in Google Android OS
Hi
Yes, compass is really included and I asked person that is responsible for sepcs to update page and white paper.
Best Regards,
Amir"
there is a responsible??? Allelouia!
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-06 13:20:56, TheHank wrote:
I guess the compass issue is solved. A nice person asked about in the SE dev forum and got a positive answer.
So now it is only the screen issue that needs attention. This phone will be great then! Btw it is already great but will be even better...
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/community/thread/50022?tstart=0
Good news, but WTH is up with the garbled communications around this phone's release? Why don't any of the specs seem definitive, and why does it fall to various random bods on SE forums or blogs to try out their own prototypes (which may not all be the same) to confirm or deny different things?
I'm not saying this is going to happen, but what if the dev support guy on that forum just happens to have one of the prototypes that *does* have the compass installed, and it's the guy who wrote the spec sheet/white paper who actually knows that it's been cut from the final product?
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-06 13:47:11, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-06 13:20:56, TheHank wrote:
I guess the compass issue is solved. A nice person asked about in the SE dev forum and got a positive answer.
So now it is only the screen issue that needs attention. This phone will be great then! Btw it is already great but will be even better...
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/community/thread/50022?tstart=0
Good news, but WTH is up with the garbled communications around this phone's release? Why don't any of the specs seem definitive, and why does it fall to various random bods on SE forums or blogs to try out their own prototypes (which may not all be the same) to confirm or deny different things?
I'm not saying this is going to happen, but what if the dev support guy on that forum just happens to have one of the prototypes that *does* have the compass installed, and it's the guy who wrote the spec sheet/white paper who actually knows that it's been cut from the final product?
Pressure... that is what SE needs.... endless pressure..about the specs since it is an early prototype !
Posted by Hiron
On 2009-11-06 07:34:43, pandthu wrote:
i am finding it wired...... whats with 65k colours... android 1.6 only supports 65k colours
HTC tatoo , htc hero alll are at 65k
so whats the big deal in it....
Its an OS limitation... not sony ericsson's
correct me if am wrong
On 2009-11-06 08:05:06, roanmy wrote:
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But motorola on 2.0 will have 16mill.
Couldn't SE have put a better display in it and then 1.6 would use 65K and then more after upgrading?
I'm most likely still getting this though.
Could I get the link that said Android 1.6 support 65K color while Android 2.0 support 16.7M color?
Maybe Android 2.0 still support 65K, so motorola actually had some downsampled images?
Hiron
Posted by insane014
There should be no surprise when it comes to 65K color display as manufacturer of this device is the same one that does X2.
But SE developers are not that stupid and I am sure they didn't downsampled UX blue background since its one giant gradient but rather they made it as 65K from the start which eliminates "replacment of missing colors".
Viewing photos and videos would be a different story.
[ This Message was edited by: insane014 on 2009-11-06 14:41 ]
Posted by my ninja
first off no one is trolling here, its not trolling just because theres a difference of opinion, thats called discussion or debate, its when someone is deliberately trying to cause arguments without being on topic. so no need to name call its on a fair side of unproductive.
still, i had to ask someone who could tell me about the compass and since the app works we know its included, its gotta be part of the chipset which is why i was thoroughly confused about it.
still good to know now. now onto bigger and better things, got one down, lets see if we can nudge a new bit depth outta SE.
and no HTC didnt make the X10 they are 2 diff manufacturers.