Posted by goldenface
Sony Ericsson X10 and Vivaz Launching On T-Mobile Q1.
Posted by synn
Typical evening at Esato for most people:
1) Boinng post
2)*Facepalm*
That's about it.
Posted by anonymuser
Ok, so it's a March launch for the X10 on T-Mobile followed by other networks (including Vodafone) in April. It's out in the same month as Devour. Will it be as cheap?
Posted by TheHank
Boinng I fail to see the point to compare price of the X10 with Devour.
What do they have in common beside Android version. Almost all specs differ and also the fact that it is not Motorolas first Android phone must be an issue.
Please enlighten us if there is an other reason to why you asked that question rather than to annoy people.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2010-02-04 15:31:36, TheHank wrote:
Boinng I fail to see the point to compare price of the X10 with Devour.
What do they have in common beside Android version. Almost all specs differ and also the fact that it is not Motorolas first Android phone must be an issue.
Please enlighten us if there is an other reason to why you asked that question rather than to annoy people.
The comparison with the Devour was brought up by se_dude and XPHCTOC, I'm just pointing out the irrelevancy of it, same as you.
Posted by goldenface
@Boinng
I wasn't trying to discredit you by posting that link it was just a coincidence. I was just posting relevant news like I always try to do. The X10 still might not become available on T-Mobile until very late Q1.
I'm hoping the mobiletoday article is right when it said it would begin shipping on 1st March.
Posted by Dups!
I agree with Boinng on all counts.
For SE's sake the X10 had better be relatively stable cause they have no more chances left. A bad X10 will be their death cause surely no one except the hardcore fanboys will still believe in them anymore, even the fanboys will likely give up on them should they mess up this time. If the Vivaz's price is acceptable and it is stable followed by a stable X10 then they will have a very good second quarter and hopefully a good year provided there are some decent phones to come from them.
Posted by alexander87
Can someone please help me with some PC drivers for X10.
PLEASE!!!!!
I need to connect it trouch PC suite or something as the PC doesn's recognize the phone's internal memory.
Much appreciated.
Posted by Arne Anka
On 2010-02-04 13:46:03, alexander87 wrote:
Now kinda iffy with the sound formats supported.
No m4a for my iTunes podcasts.
According to white paper X10 supports m4a.
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2010-02-04 15:29 ]
Posted by se_dude
What?? Both SE and Moto are in dire straits. Moto are worse given they have concurred losses over the past two years and has had losses this quarter inspite of the MILESTONE being a huge success. I would say Moto with virtually no releases last year would be more prepared to have multiple teams working over Android than SE who is working over 4 OSes.
Posted by anonymuser
@se_dude - you're just making excuses. SE are working over four OS's because that's what they chose to do - it's a deliberate strategy. Personally I think it's the wrong strategy, I've been saying so for a while, and I think events of the past few months bear that out. Through the whole of 2009, while touchscreen smartphones were riding high, SE managed to release just one smartphone onto the market - the Satio - and even that was in such a poor state that retailers embarrased them by withdrawing it.
The X2 was delayed so long that at least one major network lost interest and dropped it. The X10 is now rapidly approaching its own generous deadline, still saddled with an ageing version of its OS that gets pointed out in every review and preview of the phone. SE are proving the point that they don't have the resources to develop across four platforms simultaneously while actually getting good product out the door in a timely manner, while Moto - however worse a situation they may have come from - are at least getting class-leading smartphones out there in peoples hands, as per their intention.
Posted by mreman4k
Yea, I believe SE is spread too thin. I think they should drop Symbian and focus efforts on Android (multimedia) - WinMo (businessclass/multimedia) and whatever their feature phone platform is to shore up the mid/low end range. I think developing on Symbian + Android and WinMo is redundant. These constant layoffs aren't helping either.
@alexander87 is their no option on the phone to put the device in mass storage mode like other SE devices?
Posted by se_dude
Why are you trying to divert from the topic? Moto have had no releases last season and are still in a state of draught which is worse off than SE.They have had 3 major releases over the last 1 and a half years and had plenty of time to be developing software for latter versions of Android.They dont spend much time for their customers either. Most milestone users in Europe are fed up with their ASS and are pledging to give Moto a miss in the near future. Also, Moto has had much experience from the MILESTONE and should have released the Devour with a frontline OS. SE are new to the Android sene and are playing it safe with a stable OS. Moto on the other hand, should have raised the barrier.
Posted by Arne Anka
@mreman4k
Personally I believe Android + Symbian + OSE are the OSes SE should focus on and drop WinMo. With just 9% of the market share after several years I don't see any big boost for the resource hog WinMo anytime soon.
Posted by mreman4k
On 2010-02-04 18:52:06, se_dude wrote:
Why are you trying to divert from the topic? Moto have had no releases last season and are still in a state of draught which is worse off than SE.They have had 3 major releases over the last 1 and a half years and had plenty of time to be developing software for latter versions of Android.They dont spend much time for their customers either. Most milestone users in Europe are fed up with their ASS and are pledging to give Moto a miss in the near future. Also, Moto has had much experience from the MILESTONE and should have released the Devour with a frontline OS. SE are new to the Android sene and are playing it safe with a stable OS. Moto on the other hand, should have raised the barrier.
The Devour is not aimed at a crowd where having Android 2.X is a priority (see Motorola Cliq crowd)..the Droid/Milestone was. Sony Ericsson is aiming at the Droid crowd with the X10 with Android 1.6 (and losse mentionings of a 2.X upgrade). Fortunately for SE, it has its UX to cover up the fact that its still Android 1.6
Posted by mreman4k
On 2010-02-04 19:13:20, Arne Anka wrote:
@mreman4k
Personally I believe Android + Symbian + OSE are the OSes SE should focus on and drop WinMo. With just 9% of the market share after several years I don't see any big boost for the resource hog WinMo anytime soon.
Yea true. But Symbian doesn't have the software ecosystem to be wildy successful. It kind of exists in a vacuum. Googe has all of its web services it leverages on the Android platform. Apple has iTunes/App Store. Microsoft has the potential to have Zune/Xbox services not to mention its business platform (Microsofft Exchange). Whatever Symbian has or will have will to come from SE/Nokia, which I don't see happening. I think if they can execute on the WinMo platform (especially with the imminent launch of WinMo 7) there is more upside to keep WinMo and drop Symbian.
Thats just my opinion, either way, four OSes is too much for SE.
Posted by Dups!
Come on se_dude!
The Moto Devour is a midrange phone for those who can't afford the Milestone so the version of the os is not as relevant considering what it offers. There's bound to be a Moto with a 'fronline os' as you put it along the line. Moto and SE are indeed in trouble but Moto don't carry with them a very tarnished image and are releasing phones at a quicker pace than SE which are also not overpriced. The Milestone has software issues but not enough to be pulled off the shelves like the flagship Satio. Even the Nexus One has issues which was expected. The X10 is likely to have issues even with SE 'playing safe' with Android 1.6 so don't be quick to harshly judge the Milestone.
Why do you almost always defend SE by including another manufacturer?
Posted by se_dude
I am not including another manufacturer. I am just trying to prove that the whole v2.0 saga is a overhyped piece of shit. No customized OS has received an update yet and nor will the X10. It will over a period of time. Even the X2 will be upgraded to WM6.5.3 in due course. And Moto doesnt have a tarnished image? Moto was down in the gloom and it suddenly came up out of nowhere. No handsets whatsover over the last couple of years. What kind of image does it portray? The satio was pulled but was put back on shelves. There are phones that are pulled but not each of them are publicized. The Pixon12 which was hyped so much has disappeared off the shelves without a trace.The MILESTONE is a google experience phone btw.
Posted by alexander87
@alexander87 is their no option on the phone to put the device in mass storage mode like other SE devices?
You have the mount option like all Android devices.
Which mounts the memory card not the internal one unfortunately.
Been searching but no results, PC suite doesn't recognize it too.
Oh and i'm sure...no m4a on the build I have.
Unable to play it...I'm not talking out of my a** you know. :/
Oh and the sound quality paired with the Sennheiser CX300II is SUPERB.
Also one iPhone user friend approved..sooo quite good I might say.
Posted by Dups!
I do know what a Google experience phone is.
Moto doesn't have as tarnished an image as SE. They had phones that were not competing and relied too much on the razr for far too long while SE has had build quality and software issues for so long that their reputation has gone down badly. From the early days of the P990, K850, C905, W910i, etc, they always struggled more than Moto that the Satio debacle made them look completely incompetent in software engineering.
The problem with SE's phones being 'hyped' is because they have a bad history of both software and build quality. I know a couple of other phones, N96, N97, that should have been pulled off but the problem is Nokia can, at this stage, afford 'faulty' phones cause the have a very strong brand and SE don't.
Posted by mreman4k
On 2010-02-04 19:57:57, se_dude wrote:
I am not including another manufacturer. I am just trying to prove that the whole v2.0 saga is a overhyped piece of shit. No customized OS has received an update yet and nor will the X10. It will over a period of time. Even the X2 will be upgraded to WM6.5.3 in due course. And Moto doesnt have a tarnished image? Moto was down in the gloom and it suddenly came up out of nowhere. No handsets whatsover over the last couple of years. What kind of image does it portray? The satio was pulled but was put back on shelves. There are phones that are pulled but not each of them are publicized. The Pixon12 which was hyped so much has disappeared off the shelves without a trace.The MILESTONE is a google experience phone btw.
I also think the whole Android 2.0 thing is overhyped, unfortunately its going to prevent a some sales because people are caught up in it. I'm still interested to see what Sony Ericsson has done to bridge this gap feature wise, because there are some features in 2.1 not in 1.6 that people want
The Milestone is not a Google Experience device, only the Droid. FWIW the only difference is multitouch.
Posted by motvikt
Think SE should drop symbian completely. Unstable and outdated platform, plus nokia is a shit company, they wont share anything more than necessary. Think winmo will be big with 7.0.
Android is the future. SEs only misstake with X10 is that they announced it to early. It will still be a good phone, lets just hope they dont f**k up the support with updates because thats what the android world is about.
Posted by Trickois
Dear All,
A bit of balance again please. Q1 is the only announced date so up until the end of April.. Whether certain carriers have it by set dates is surely as much their problem not SE's... Whilst I love Orange, one source of frustration for me has been that they are often a couple of months behind on the release, because they "test all handsets themselves".
So whatever the date SE release it 1st March or last day of April, they will have done what they said they will, release it in Q1. I am more worried that the prices I have seen so far seem a fair bit higher than mainland Europe..
Also, whilst I am neither an apologist for Nokia or Symbian, having had a particularly unpleasant experience with the N82 in between SE phones, as this link confirms they have now made Symbian Open Source.
http://www.symbian.org/
As for Android versions, not that fussed most of the good bits that I would use from the later releases are covered either by SE's own UI, or 3rd party apps like dolphin..
Also surely if the earlier X1 story shows anything, it's that there are devs out there who can do very clever things with Android, regardless of what the manufacturers have done..
So let's just all relax and enjoy the phone when it gets here eh? It won't be long now, whoever's dates you go by. Yes SE probably announced it too early, allowing to much hope to build, "iPad" anyone. However if these 159 pages are anything to go by, they have surely generated lots of interest, at least some of which will be realised. I guess they know best!?!
[ This Message was edited by: Trickois on 2010-02-04 21:17 ]
Posted by OffLineR
On 2009-11-03 06:59:39, OffLineR wrote:
Releasing X10 with Android 1.6 might be because of Google.
I don't think this was
's plan.
2010 March could be the release date due to Android OS.
We should be patient about that.
Look what I've said three months ago
Posted by hansen
Trickois, Q1 actually ends 31 March.
Posted by Trickois
Sorry hansen my bad.
Yes the first quarter is the first three months.
But I still feel that SE are likely to deliver on this. Everything on here and the majority of the web seems to support this, whether it be the 1st or the 31st X10 should arrive in March and thus Q1. When specific carriers choose to opt in to this handset is down to them. That is the distinction that I was trying to make.
Posted by echo.shane
a wah do sony ericsson mek dem nuh stop long out y release date fi di phone a mek people stawt fi buy it a wah do dem ova deh. dem just fool ah mek me wah cus badwud cho backside
Posted by synn
On 2010-02-05 02:09:11, echo.shane wrote:
a wah do sony ericsson mek dem nuh stop long out y release date fi di phone a mek people stawt fi buy it a wah do dem ova deh. dem just fool ah mek me wah cus badwud cho backside
The what now?
Posted by reapur
My other SE phone w760 has been messed up for 2 months. I've been waiting for SE to release a Tmobile phone (The X10) since then.
Sorry end of march is too long to wait... It really sux, but I'm going nuts using the crappy freeby I got with the service. It's been between the Nexus one and the X10 for me, since I can't wait any longer sorry SE, to keep us old faithfuls, make a fkn announcement already.
Posted by echo.shane
On 2010-02-05 06:03:32, reapur wrote:
My other SE phone w760 has been messed up for 2 months. I've been waiting for SE to release a Tmobile phone (The X10) since then.
Sorry end of march is too long to wait... It really sux, but I'm going nuts using the crappy freeby I got with the service. It's been between the Nexus one and the X10 for me, since I can't wait any longer sorry SE, to keep us old faithfuls, make a fkn announcement already.
how yu know so....its about time sony ericsson release to x10 its just so annoying feb10 march 10 april 10 may 10 june 10 july 10 august 10 september 10 oh finally. believe me if sony ericsson continue with the late release dates im sorry but im going with HTC forever.....
Posted by LRI
On 2010-02-04 13:06:05, sealover94 wrote:
On 2010-02-04 12:35:17, fjcarlsson wrote:
X10 with Vodafone UK in April according to Engadget
http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobile-phone/sony-ericsson-x10
So at least 3 months delay... ( someone here remember a bet a few months ago.. ??
)
even x1 runs ANDROID 2.0 now...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/[....]-1-joined-in-unholy-matrimony/
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2010-02-04 12:13 ]
First of all, april would make it a 1 month delay, and yeah, I remember that bet, it was 50 euros that it would be delayed to summer, and Im pretty sure april is not a summer month in any country, in other words, pay up!
Posted by Tsepz_GP
IMO NOW that Symbian is Open Source, SE must just drop crappy WM, and focus on the far less costly Android and Symbian. They can make Multimedia, Business and budget smartphones running on both and price them decently.
Im not at all interested in the X10, but looking forward to seeing how it does next to NexusOne, and Milestone, and now that Symbian is truely open, i cant wait to see SE's Symbian^3 devices.
Posted by goldenface
@LRI
T-Mobile have pencilled in a Q1 release - I posted a link a page or so back
Posted by doministry
On 2010-02-04 20:50:39, motvikt wrote:
Think SE should drop symbian completely. Unstable and outdated platform, plus nokia is a shit company, they wont share anything more than necessary. Think winmo will be big with 7.0.
Android is the future.
Absolutely agree.
WM already is nice in 6.5.3
WM 7 will kick a..ss!
Posted by XPHCTOC
On 2010-02-05 11:14:26, GUCCI.011 wrote:
IMO NOW that Symbian is Open Source, SE must just drop crappy WM, and focus on the far less costly Android and Symbian. They can make Multimedia, Business and budget smartphones running on both and price them decently.
Im not at all interested in the X10, but looking forward to seeing how it does next to NexusOne, and Milestone, and now that Symbian is truely open, i cant wait to see SE's Symbian^3 devices.
How do you think a Windows Mobile licence costs? 10 or 15$... (source: http://www.mobileindustryrevi[....]_a_windows_mobile_license.html ) Does this price make android and symbian phones far less costly??? no and that's the problem. Building phones on open OSs is more profitable for phone makers not for your pocket.
[ This Message was edited by: XPHCTOC on 2010-02-05 10:52 ]
Posted by LRI
On 2010-02-05 11:35:45, goldenface wrote:
@LRI
T-Mobile have pencilled in a Q1 release - I posted a link a page or so back
hehe yeah, I saw that after I posted my reply
either way I think I win that bet
Posted by lim_ryan
1Gz processor still cant capture HD video = bull, any future update android include HD video recording?
Posted by gotanyglazby
April:
http://www.t3.com/news/sony-e[....]0-to-launch-on-vodafone?=43501
Posted by viper7
I know this has already been mentioned on other blogs, posts and the SE Developer forums, however, this is the first time I've seen the whole article confirming the upgrade to 2.1;
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com[....]peria-x10-will-be-upgradeable/
[ This Message was edited by: viper7 on 2010-02-05 15:28 ]
Posted by mreman4k
On 2010-02-05 16:14:06, viper7 wrote:
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com[....]peria-x10-will-be-upgradeable/
that is an interesting read. I've been saying that same thing....with UX the version of Android in use is not as nearly important as it would have been had the x10 been a generic android device. With that said, I'm glad its upgradeable, because at the price premium they will offer it at, SE has to deliver a banger.
Posted by Nitro Fan
I find it very odd that people are claiming the Android V2.0 OS issue is nothing!
There are some key areas that V2 addresses and for people who have to use their phone for business as well as privately it will make a good deal of difference. Seems that perhaps some people are making wild statements without knowing or researching the facts OR perhaps they have done their research but feel the need to shield
?[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2010-02-05 15:31 ]
Posted by synn
On 2010-02-05 16:30:51, Nitro Fan wrote:
I find it very odd that people are claiming the Android V2.0 OS issue is nothing!
There are some key areas that V2 addresses and for people who have to use their phone for business as well as privately it will make a good deal of difference. Seems that perhaps some people are making wild statements without knowing or researching the facts OR perhaps they have done their research but feel the need to shield
?
[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2010-02-05 15:31 ]
Did YOU do your research? Do you realize that a lot of features in 2.0 have already been incorporated into the X10's FW?
In any case, Sumit's post should shut all the haters up for good. For a while at least.
On a sidenote, I love hypocrites. they talk as if the X10 would be an unusable phone because it is numerically behind the latest OS release. At the same time, they sing songs about HTC products that sport the SAME version of the OS (Because HTC is godawesome and can do no wrong, yes? ) or worse yet, products from rival manufacturers that offer even LESS functionality.
Android, at even v.2.1 isn't anywhere as functional as I like. Call me old fashioned, but I find Symbian and WinMo more functional that anything else in the market. But that said, the X10 is a damn good phone and calling it outdated just because it lacks a "2.1" in the whitepaper is foolhardy at best.
Posted by anonymuser
I think there are strong reasons to want an upgrade to 2.x, but more than anything - as others have pointed out - it's important if only to the perception of the phone. Every single review or article on this phone I've seen so far mentions the "negative" of it only having 1.6 - and it's the sort of detail that is likely to matter to the target audience of a device like this.
It's also going to be an important test of SE as a credible smartphone manufacturer. Smartphone consumers expect regular software updates these days - they want their devices kept up to date - and SE have an extremely poor record on that historically. There are encouraging signs now with the X2 - they've actually published plans for two big updates to that phone this year - but as with everything, the proof will be in the eating.
Posted by chenmartin
I am getting tired to wait x10
Posted by Phantasm4489
yes but what about beyond 2.1 - the trouble is I dont trust SE to produce any further updates beyond what they have already promised and to be fair it isnt in their best interest to keep on updating their existing phones rather than concentrating on (what will be) newer models. However the nexus one is likely to get the latest android updates first and foremost for the time being at least. Thats why I'm torn between the X10 and the nexus one.
[ This Message was edited by: Phantasm4489 on 2010-02-05 16:14 ]
Posted by synn
On 2010-02-05 17:13:30, Phantasm4489 wrote:
However the nexus one is likely to get the latest android updates first and foremost for the time being at least. Thats why I'm torn between the X10 and the nexus one.
Please, go buy the NexusOne and forever hold your peace.
Google Experience devices get the updates first. This is something that was made clear ever since the early days of Android. If it took you this long to figure it out, I feel sorry for ya.
Posted by DentyCracker
On 2010-02-05 02:09:11, echo.shane wrote:
a wah do sony ericsson mek dem nuh stop long out y release date fi di phone a mek people stawt fi buy it a wah do dem ova deh. dem just fool ah mek me wah cus badwud cho backside
Too funny man.
What is wrong with SonyEricsson why won't they stop with the extending release dates for the phone so that people can start to buy it. What is wrong with them over there. They are stupid, causing me to curse bad words, cho backside.
DWL dead wid laff
ROFL
suh bass yuh waa di man dem leggo di fone befo it reddi den a yuh same wan a cum cuss how it nah wuk gud.
In other words
so boss, do you want them to release it before it is ready, only for you to complain about it not working properly
[ This Message was edited by: DentyCracker on 2010-02-05 16:21 ]
Posted by Trickois
Glad to official confirmation of the OS Upgrade.
CPW e-mail today confirms X10 expected March, although Vivaz =February?!? Maybe those who said date is due to OS are right?
Really looking forward to this phone...
Posted by Dups!
@DentyCracker
Thanks for the translation, I was wondering what in the world was echo.shane's complaint all about. It was funny too!
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2010-02-05 17:06:04, synn wrote:
On 2010-02-05 16:30:51, Nitro Fan wrote:
I find it very odd that people are claiming the Android V2.0 OS issue is nothing!
There are some key areas that V2 addresses and for people who have to use their phone for business as well as privately it will make a good deal of difference. Seems that perhaps some people are making wild statements without knowing or researching the facts OR perhaps they have done their research but feel the need to shield
?
[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2010-02-05 15:31 ]
Did YOU do your research? Do you realize that a lot of features in 2.0 have already been incorporated into the X10's FW?
In any case, Sumit's post should shut all the haters up for good. For a while at least.
On a sidenote, I love hypocrites. they talk as if the X10 would be an unusable phone because it is numerically behind the latest OS release. At the same time, they sing songs about HTC products that sport the SAME version of the OS (Because HTC is godawesome and can do no wrong, yes? ) or worse yet, products from rival manufacturers that offer even LESS functionality.
Android, at even v.2.1 isn't anywhere as functional as I like. Call me old fashioned, but I find Symbian and WinMo more functional that anything else in the market. But that said, the X10 is a damn good phone and calling it outdated just because it lacks a "2.1" in the whitepaper is foolhardy at best.
You seem ever so angry?
This is an un-released phone we are discussing not a child's beauty
Thanks but I did do my research
As for "Sumit's post" I must have missed that one, but from your description it must have been a very powerful message a bit like the ten commandments perhaps, it certainly seems to have left its mark with you.
As for side notes as I have not made any such claims, other than I feel the HTC X1 was a pile of doggy do! I will assume you meant them for others not me, but I have to say I find S60v5 excellent as well, UIQ3 was my preferred variant but we all know what happened there don't we!