Posted by rss_ndrsn
^X10 will have its share of bugs when release like the Nexus One. And I know whatever the bugs are on Nexus, Google will fix. Besides, it has just been released and has the most latest version of Android.
Posted by se_dude
http://www.google.com/support[....]bel?lid=4a96f6d473819af3&hl=en
List aint small.
Thank God the X10 is shipping with 1.6. I want a phone which works properly than have a few stupid features added.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
Whatever the problem with Nexus One, it is software related and can be fixed by an update.
To tell you frankly, I can't really get what your point is. Everyone wants a stable device but if it does not have much features it is boring. It's like why don't I just buy a notebook.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
LMAO! A few stupid features?
man this is getting better and better.
Being an SE there is no doubt that X10 will have bugs. The NexusOne will be just like the Hero,look how far that phone has come,from being laggy and buggy to getting major OS updates and now being stable,and isnt it getting 2.0 as well? It realy has enjoyd great support,and the NexusOne will be the same.
Posted by jj03
^^ the wise owl has spoken. . Lol.
Posted by >500
All smartphones released these days come out with bugs. No point comparing one company to another because they are all guilty of the same thing. Its not like the Nokia 3210 days when there were little or no bugs, what with all the non colour screens and stuff
This whole 1.6 v 2.0 is getting annoying. Its coming out with 1.6 whether you like it or not. So no need to keep complaining about it. And ive said it before, there are still Android phones coming out now with 1.6 or less. The LG GW620 being one of them due to be released shortly, and the Moto Backflip which was just announced at CES. Guess what, theres no 2.0 or 2.1 in there out of the box.
Posted by moogoo
i'm not even considering nexus one over the x10. sure it has an AMOLED screen which is great. but it's physical design, imo is ugly. Also, the need/requirement to use that stupid trackball definitely kills it for me.
X10 all the way for me. even with 1.6, many added features in 2.0 are custom added by SE to 1.6. There's no real advantage to going to 2.0. Even google nav works on 1.6. I'd rather SE work jumping 2.0 and going to the next iteration of android. Either to 2.1 or beyond.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
I was simply pointing out the huge amount of support the Hero has got, that even its OS is being updated,and that the NexusOne wont stay buggy,it will be treated like the Hero.
As for 2.0 vs. 1.6 , 2.0 has alot more than "a few stupid features" im sure when the X10 gets that update it wont be so "stupid" anymore
as for now 2.0 is "stupid" cause the X10 doesnt have it yet. Love how things work here remember the days of 262k vs. 16m colours? Not so "stupid" now that SE use 16m,lol.
Posted by se_dude
Yea.Stupid features. Live wallpapers. OMG!! I am dying..
Most of the essential feaures like Bluetooth transfer has been ported to the X10. And about multitouch.the Nexus doesnt have it.
Given the current state of Android 2,i would rather have a stable thing in my hands. And about the x10 being buggy, how many smartphones have SE rolled out in recent history? The WM and Symbian ones were crippled due to the OS and also SE's first.Given that the Nexus and others are suffering from major bugs, i would be happy if the X10 suffers from something puny like a slightly laggier interface than expected.
Posted by se_dude
@gucci- It would nice if X10 had the update, but it isnt the end of the world like you make it to be. If they had significant improvements made to the API I for one would surely have jumped on the "bring the update bandwagon".But for now, it isnt necessary and isnt worth the hype nor the trouble.
Posted by synn
On 2010-01-19 07:57:35, rss_ndrsn wrote:
Whatever the problem with Nexus One, it is software related and can be fixed by an update.
To tell you frankly, I can't really get what your point is. Everyone wants a stable device but if it does not have much features it is boring. It's like why don't I just buy a notebook.
It HAS most of the features that 2.0/2.1 is bringing and has a better media experience than them. Why is it so hard for you to grasp this SIMPLE concept?
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Se dude
"The WM and Symbian ones were crippled due to OS"
LMAO! Loving the excuses man, but wait, there are plenty stable and non-crippled Symbian and WMs out there by other manufacturers, hmmm. . .i wonder why.
Lol,it certainly aint the end of the world if it doesnt come with 2.0 indeed,and im not making it out to be that way,thats just your imagination playing with you
im simply pointing out the ridiculous excuses you're making for SE, the X10 will have more bugs than a laggy interface,whether its 1.6 or 2.0 ,i doubt 1.6 is that perfect,the Hero had to get plenty of updates to get it to be stable.[ This Message was edited by: GUCCI.011 on 2010-01-19 09:44 ]
Posted by synn
In all fairness Gucci (And I've asked this before), show me a high end smartphone in recent history that came flawless out of the box, day one.
Posted by take5
as for now 2.0 is "stupid" cause the X10 doesnt have it yet. Love how things work here remember the days of 262k vs. 16m colours?
haha, SO TRUE!!!!!!! how many pages there was that drama about screen colours?
just in that respect 2.x will be an important update.
but i hope that they put all their resources in getting 1.6 running smothely and get that handy FINALLY OUT there!
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Synn
Thats exactly what im saying lol when i say whether its 1.6 or 2.0 it will have bugs, so its no excuse. Going by what the se_dude is saying,its as if X10 will come out almost perfect unlike if it had 2.0 ,so what im saying is even 1.6 you will have bugs,especialy since SE have modded it with some 2.0 features.
Posted by synn
On 2010-01-19 10:49:04, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Synn
Thats exactly what im saying lol when i say whether its 1.6 or 2.0 it will have bugs, so its no excuse. Going by what the se_dude is saying,its as if X10 will come out almost perfect unlike if it had 2.0 ,so what im saying is even 1.6 you will have bugs,especialy since SE have modded it with some 2.0 features.
There are gonna be issues, sure. But the probabilities of having major issues are greater with 2.0 at this point of time than 1.6. That's all I'm saying, man.
Posted by Haribolman
Geez, I just noticed on a video that you have to remove the X10's battery to access the memory card. WTF? What a step backwards!
[ This Message was edited by: Haribolman on 2010-01-19 10:28 ]
Posted by makebelieve
you think AMOLED is big + ?
http://translate.google.com/t[....]le-nexus-one.shtml&sl=ru&tl=en
Posted by anonymuser
On 2010-01-19 11:26:00, synn wrote:
There are gonna be issues, sure. But the probabilities of having major issues are greater with 2.0 at this point of time than 1.6. That's all I'm saying, man.
The probabilities of having major issues are far greater with SE (let alone SE's first phone of this type) than most other manufacturers - that's also undeniable.
Posted by se_dude
@gucci-Stop framing me. I never said that the X1 is going to come out flawless. I said i would rather have a pretty stable phone with a tested software than an unstable phone with millions of niggles as is seen everywhere. And the probability of a phone being bad is greater or nokia given hat they havent been able to bring out a remotely bug free phone in recent history.
And about the colors. SE has always been a pioneer in screen technology and all reviews state that the X10 has an excellent screen. Now if you assume that since SE hasnt had an update or SE hasnt had this feature thats why it is being flamed, be my guest.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Se_dude
I never said you said it was gona come out flawless,reread what i said.
With tested software? So nobody tested Android2.0 in the Nexus?
Whats this got to do with NOKIA?
we've already said no phone comes bug free anyway.
I know SE make good screens, YOU just dont get what i was saying
it had nothing to do with X10s screen.
Your last sentence makes no sense, as im not complaining or saying anything about a missing feature,to me X10 is a well equipped, if not THEE best equipped Android device specwise,the problem is SOFTWARE, as we know SE are never great in their 1st try of a platform or OS, and the fact that they themselves modded 1.6 is worrying, IMO.
Posted by se_dude
Well.It is THE best specced android phone announced ATM!! What I am saying is that the Android1.6 is way more stable than 2. What I am trying to comprehend is what makes the v1.6 inferior to the v.2.0 in this case? As per me, the only gripe I see among people is tha lck of the latest software which obviously has been monopololized by Google more than by SE. None of the cooked UIs have received any updates and it is more of a google policy than a idiocy by SE.
Posted by anonymuser
The X10 is marginally better specced than the Nexus One, but it is marginal - we're really only talking about the camera here. The killer for SE is that the Nexus One is already out, other phones will already be chasing it, and the X10 could still wind up with a March release - by which time the chances of it maintaining any kind of lead are pretty slim.
Oh, and don't expect the Nexus One to still be even remotely buggy by that point..
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Se dude
HTC Magic was updated to 1.6 with SenseUI and so is Hero to 2.0 with SenseUI, someone correct me if im wrong about Hero,and im sure Tattoo will get the same.
Lets wait and see about X10 being stable, S60v5 is stable but just look at N97 and Satio, thanx to their modded UIs.
[ This Message was edited by: GUCCI.011 on 2010-01-19 12:50 ]
Posted by titus1
S60v5 is stable but just look at N97 and Satio, thanx to their modded UIs.
[ This Message was edited by: GUCCI.011 on 2010-01-19 12:50 ]
S60v5 is stable?? Oh please...
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2010-01-19 13:57:24, titus1 wrote:
S60v5 is stable but just look at N97 and Satio, thanx to their modded UIs.
[ This Message was edited by: GUCCI.011 on 2010-01-19 12:50 ]
S60v5 is stable?? Oh please...
It is indeed in the latest devices. I havent had a single problem with stability,and it seems to be the same for 5530xm, OmniaHD, and other 5800xm owners after V21 fw.
Posted by titus1
On 2010-01-19 14:02:31, GUCCI.011 wrote:
On 2010-01-19 13:57:24, titus1 wrote:
S60v5 is stable but just look at N97 and Satio, thanx to their modded UIs.
[ This Message was edited by: GUCCI.011 on 2010-01-19 12:50 ]
S60v5 is stable?? Oh please...
It is indeed in the latest devices. I havent had a single problem with stability,and it seems to be the same for 5530xm, OmniaHD, and other 5800xm owners after V21 fw.
I wish I was lucky as you, when i still had my 5800. But then again...oh please
Posted by Nitro Fan
quote
THE best specced android phone announced ATM
Unfortunately that is all it is................... announced! as for the performance of the Prototype's running Timescrape the phrase "runs like a three legged dog" springs to mind.
My prediction is as follows: the X10 will be too late to really make an impackt on the sector, it will be over priced, slow (due to SE meddling with OS and UI) and running V2.0 at best.
However it could become a decent unit if we can override the Time and Mediascrap crippling, it should have a decent media player (I hope it has bookmarking and sleep timer like my W960) and the screen looks good, but IMHO 8mp camera is nothing but a gimmick, its looks are not as good as the competition (far to angular for my taste)
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2010-01-19 13:57:24, titus1 wrote:
S60v5 is stable but just look at N97 and Satio, thanx to their modded UIs.
[ This Message was edited by: GUCCI.011 on 2010-01-19 12:50 ]
S60v5 is stable?? Oh please...
My Nokia 5800 is great not a single issue! very very stable, no crashes, no locking up, the best BT to PC connectivity I have EVER used. And I can choose what connection I want for every application!
After two years my SE W960 still does not connect to my PC by BT and has cable sync issues despite all the help the SE help desk can provide!
Have you ever used S60v5?
Posted by synn
On 2010-01-19 14:49:38, Nitro Fan wrote:
very very stable, no crashes, no locking up, the best BT to PC connectivity I have EVER used. And I can choose what connection I want for every application!
You just described my Satio. So, what are we crying about again?
The X10 is marginally better specced than the Nexus One, but it is marginal - we're really only talking about the camera here.
So umm... the better media handling is not a factor? How about the bigger screen? Face recognition within the picture gallery, perhaps? Then again, why are we talking specs here? you yourself have a horribly outspecced phone, don't you? Should we write it out of the competition by the same yardstick then?
Or are the rules different for that particular example?
Amusing that even with all the godawesomeness in the NexusOne, it still can't hold on to a 3G signal if its life depended on it.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2010-01-19 14:54 ]
Posted by chenmartin
Ericsson presents 3D maps on the Xperia X10
Ericsson Labs has introduced a new API, called 3D Landscape. Along with it, they have also posted a short video demonstration, which really managed to get us excited about the new technology and its possible application in the future. In short, 3D Landscape is like Google Maps, but in full 3D! All the buildings and objects on the satellite map are in 3D, which actually looks very cool. And it runs pretty smooth too, judging by what we see on the video, where 3D Landscape is demoed on a Sony Ericsson Xperia X10, although the developer says that the software is also available for Java environment. For now, the SDK libraries released by Ericsson Labs include 3D maps for Stockholm, but more are on the way. It would be too cool to see such technology used in a GPS navigation app, but we guess all is in the hands of devs now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGrwkyWIDOE
Posted by goldenface
Brilliant, thanks for posting. Now we have to hope our native cities will be included soon.
Sorry, but after using Satio and it's UI I'm very much looking forward to using SE's Android. We should be now hoping to move away from having to constantly update our phones over and over again in order to get them working normally, no matter who is selling them.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-01-19 15:55 ]
Posted by titus1
On 2010-01-19 14:49:38, Nitro Fan wrote:
On 2010-01-19 13:57:24, titus1 wrote:
S60v5 is stable but just look at N97 and Satio, thanx to their modded UIs.
[ This Message was edited by: GUCCI.011 on 2010-01-19 12:50 ]
S60v5 is stable?? Oh please...
My Nokia 5800 is great not a single issue! very very stable, no crashes, no locking up, the best BT to PC connectivity I have EVER used. And I can choose what connection I want for every application!
After two years my SE W960 still does not connect to my PC by BT and has cable sync issues despite all the help the SE help desk can provide!
Have you ever used S60v5?
Oh look at that...another lucky 5800 (60v5) user and yes I did owned the 5800 before.
Posted by se_dude
The camera factor isnt marginal by any means.The pic quality is leaps and bounds better than the ones provided by similar offerings. It is here that X10 will trump its competitors when given a choice. The Nexus One is not out globally.The X10 in all probability shall have a global launch which compensates for the time the Nexus has been on shelves.The Nokia N900 isnt out in the Uk yet.
Posted by kingcool88
On 2010-01-19 17:14:50, se_dude wrote:
The camera factor isnt marginal by any means.The pic quality is leaps and bounds better than the ones provided by similar offerings. It is here that X10 will trump its competitors when given a choice. The Nexus One is not out globally.The X10 in all probability shall have a global launch which compensates for the time the Nexus has been on shelves.The Nokia N900 isnt out in the Uk yet.
When i was in Manchester just before Christmas, they had N900 in many of the mobilestores around Piccadilly:)
The 3D maps looks nice!
In this article they wrote:
"Sony Ericsson MW600 stereo bluetooth handsfree (included in the Sony Ericsson X10 package)"
http://dailymobile.se/2010/01/18/pictures-sony-ericsson-mw600/
Someone who knows if its true?:)
Posted by se_dude
Nokia N900 Sim Free / Unlocked 5.0 Megapixel 32GB Mobile Phone (Black)
Due for release on 05/02/2010
Maybe the ones you saw were imported or any carriers are on an exclusive contract?
Posted by snoFlake
And this is? :-
http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobile-phone/nokia-n900
or maybe they're hiding them under the counter at CPW?
http://www.carphonewarehouse.[....]bile-phones/NOKIA-N900/MONTHLY
Actually been available for a couple of weeks now
Posted by se_dude
Naice..
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com[....]ia-x10-stellas-favorite-phone/
Posted by rss_ndrsn
On 2010-01-19 10:31:44, synn wrote:
On 2010-01-19 07:57:35, rss_ndrsn wrote:
Whatever the problem with Nexus One, it is software related and can be fixed by an update.
To tell you frankly, I can't really get what your point is. Everyone wants a stable device but if it does not have much features it is boring. It's like why don't I just buy a notebook.
It HAS most of the features that 2.0/2.1 is bringing and has a better media experience than them. Why is it so hard for you to grasp this SIMPLE concept?
It is you who DOES NOT UNDERSTAND MY POST. There is not so big about the some features of 2.0 and 2.1 that the X10 already has despite of it is currently running on 1.6, because getting those features just needs software update.
About the media experience, again it is nothing that special aside from the infinity button. The rest is just UI layer to make it pretty. Of course, it is good but I do not consider it as a selling point.
My main point is for SE to step out of their shell and show how good the devices they make in and out.
Posted by badassmam
The version of Android won't mean much unless something is done to utilise it. If you're expecting multi touch on everything for example, it won't be the case unless the appropriate changes are made i.e.
would have to put the support on their gallery etc. Yes, you do get the generic upgrade stuff but I would say that the phone working from the box with minimal issues is most important. Software can be updated and modified, hardware on the other hand cannot so the X10 has the upper hand. Nexus One is having a few hardware and design issues which can only help the X10.
Posted by TJMonkey15
Well I for one still can't wait for this phone. It looks great! 1.6, 2.0, 2.1....who gives a crap as long as it does what we want it to do! I don't even mind if the phone needs some software updates now and again to keep it running smoothly, as long as SE is good about releasing the firmwares in a timely fashion.
And regarding Timescape and Mediascape lagging, don't we have the option to just use the native Android phonebook/media app/etc? I thought that was mentioned on here or in one of the videos posted a while back. If that's the case and you're not a fan of the Scapes, then don't use them. Problem solved!
Now if only
can get this phone out before Q2 rolls in.....
Posted by synn
On 2010-01-19 23:32:09, rss_ndrsn wrote:
It is you who DOES NOT UNDERSTAND MY POST. There is not so big about the some features of 2.0 and 2.1 that the X10 already has despite of it is currently running on 1.6, because getting those features just needs software update.
So all the missing software features can be brought in with an update and it already has class leading (Or at least, equaling) hardware. So what EXACTLY is your complaint?
On 2010-01-19 23:32:09, rss_ndrsn wrote:
About the media experience, again it is nothing that special aside from the infinity button. The rest is just UI layer to make it pretty. Of course, it is good but I do not consider it as a selling point.
YOU do not consider it a good selling point. YOU. That's the key word here.
It is a feature that brings all available info about a contact/ song/ artist/ anything on your phone to a fingertip and THAT's something none of the competing Android solutions have at the moment. Sure, teh BLUR and senseUI have incorporated contact integration, but none of them have raised the bar to this extent. It IS a big deal.
Also, do you understand that Timescape and Mediascape are open source modules? A developer can modify the code to add features in any way he wants. For example, someone could combine Google latitude and the new Ericsson 3D API and show real-time location of a contact of yours in 3D. And you could access this with the infinity button that you do not consider a big deal.
That withstanding, the phone brings SE's traditionally great media management to Android. Something that the platform was lacking until now.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2010-01-20 03:12 ]
Posted by yawdapaah
I've been reading this thread (and the last one) since the beginning. I understand that we are all
but people need to quit being apologetic for them. The device should have been release already not being teased with new API's or whatever.
Timescape and Mediascape I don't really care about; if
are able to let me play .mkv or divx out of the box, or something major like then...
There wasn't even an otg playlist feature on my NWZ-A818
.
That said, the X10 is so beautiful that I'm willing to wait a little longer. Hopefully, XDA or someone else can help with this 1.6 issue.
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2010-01-19 17:00:13, titus1 wrote:
On 2010-01-19 14:49:38, Nitro Fan wrote:
On 2010-01-19 13:57:24, titus1 wrote:
S60v5 is stable but just look at N97 and Satio, thanx to their modded UIs.
[ This Message was edited by: GUCCI.011 on 2010-01-19 12:50 ]
S60v5 is stable?? Oh please...
My Nokia 5800 is great not a single issue! very very stable, no crashes, no locking up, the best BT to PC connectivity I have EVER used. And I can choose what connection I want for every application!
After two years my SE W960 still does not connect to my PC by BT and has cable sync issues despite all the help the SE help desk can provide!
Have you ever used S60v5?
Oh look at that...another lucky 5800 (60v5) user and yes I did owned the 5800 before.
Spot on mate, I do consider myself lucky, I paid my money and got a reliable product right out the box!
Posted by goldenface
You count yourself lucky because your phone managed to work reliably out of the box?
That's ridiculous! Is it really that bad these days that we're lucky our phones even work reliably first time! That's somewhat sad.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-01-20 13:27 ]
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Looks like it,unless you get a 1100,in that case you're guaranteed reliabity,and endurance.
Every high end smartphone has had some sort of hardware or software problem at release in the last 3-4years,so if you do get one thats working almost flawlessly out the box,count yourself lucky
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2010-01-20 14:23:49, goldenface wrote:
You count yourself lucky because your phone managed to work reliably out of the box?
That's ridiculous! Is it really that bad these days that we're lucky our phones even work reliably first time! That's somewhat sad.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-01-20 13:27 ]
@goldenface
No its not that bad at all, I was merely replying to this response I got from titus1, when I dared suggest that my S60v5 was trouble free!
quote:
h look at that...another lucky 5800 (60v5) user:
Given his lame repost I decided Irony was the best way to tackle it!
Posted by mediar
This is not 5800's thread, no shitty Nokia phones here or crap like S60.
And don't answer this post, because the offtopic goes strong.
Posted by jj03
On 2010-01-20 18:04:13, mediar wrote:
This is not 5800's thread, no shitty Nokia phones here or crap like S60.
And don't answer this post, because the offtopic goes strong.
Don't answer this post? while this thread has gone off topic abit in the last few pages or so, your reply is, quite frankly pathetic. You could have simply said "can we please get this topic back on track" rather than the stupidity of your post...engage your brain mate eh...
Posted by se_dude
Some people here dont/cant understand politeness.