Posted by titus1
On 2010-01-14 00:43:26, Saka wrote:
On 2010-01-13 22:56:21, S4k1s wrote:
Just a reminder...
Forum > Sony Ericsson > Android > Sony Ericsson X10 Official Thread
As soon as there is a post about something that kicks X10's ass there comes Sakis trying to forbid the discussion. It is indeed relevant for this thread with all devices that stipulate the fact that X10 is way outdated the moment it is released.
Sakis has a point. It could be posted to a proper forum such as the Iphone thread. The X10 is not an outdated device especially if it can leveled to 2.1. Trollers are everywhere.
Posted by >500
On 2010-01-14 00:43:26, Saka wrote:
On 2010-01-13 22:56:21, S4k1s wrote:
Just a reminder...
Forum > Sony Ericsson > Android > Sony Ericsson X10 Official Thread
As soon as there is a post about something that kicks X10's ass there comes Sakis trying to forbid the discussion. It is indeed relevant for this thread with all devices that stipulate the fact that X10 is way outdated the moment it is released.
sure we can discuss the competition. but when the phones we are discussing are non existant (yes it would be in the works but you get what i mean), and we know NOTHING about, then whats the point?? Especially when people start saying 'o the new iphone is so much better than the x10'. Come on guys, comparisons are more than ok, but lets be realistic and keep to announced/released phones, or even those rumoured phones with CONFIRMED specs from trusted sources.
re the iphone pic, it looks quite funny, looks like a longer ipod classic with no buttons, hardly a looker? but hey, it just a concept
and a dual core processor? which one could it be. if its the dual core snapdragon we saw around CES, then i HIGHLY doubt we will see a phone with this chip until late this yr, or even early next yr. i for one, do not believe those specs at all. Well, the processor part anyway
Posted by synn
That Korean times speclist is more of a fanboy wishlist than any "Confirmed" details. Even the biggest Apple worshippers out there, Engadget admitted it to be so.
I love how some people post vaporware and go all "OMG! Such-and-such SE is totally outdated now!!!! OMGLOLWTFBBQ...."
Well guess what, by your paper spec standards, the jesusphone and EVERY RIM model out there has been outdated for quite some time now.
Stop being hypocrites just for once, will ya?
Posted by mreman4k
Another video from CES, much of the same -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ZI9grqEtE
One thing I have noticed in all the videos, that capacitive screen (or maybe its just Mediascape/Timescape) doesn't "appear" to be sensitive. The reps are often pressing items two and three times to get videos to play, load applications, etc. Or maybe the reps don't know how to use a touchsceen
Posted by moogoo
hmm maybe? I don't know. I have trouble pressing buttons on my ipod touch. doesn't always take when i want it to, especially when the buttons are near the edges. I wouldn't think much of it.
and synn +1. everyone knows apple doesn't give out leaks and if anyone leaked confidential information apple would go after then with an army of lawyers. so any specs about a future iphone HAVE to be speculation and rumor and could never be fact.
back on topic.
I am looking forward to seeing more of the X10. It's great that they keep showing timescape/mediascape but why not show off other stuff on the device? I'd love to see google nav, more camera stuff, other apps that will be included, etc. Then maybe when timescape/mediascape are production ready, then go back and show us how it will be working when we have it in our hands.
Posted by mediar
I think that's because they press it for long time ( not just a click ) and probably move their finger with a millimetre on the side and the screen detects it as a movement instead a click.
I wonder how does the phonebook look like ( when you add new contacts ), the calculator, are there hand-writing notes ( like UIQ ), what kind of options does X10's camera have, the calendar...
And here is something interesting about IPhone's screen ( compared with Motorola Droid and two more phones ):
http://labs.moto.com/diy-touchscreen-analysis/
[ This Message was edited by: mediar on 2010-01-14 06:37 ]
Posted by TheHank
Not sure if this link has been posted before but here goes.
According to electronista.com the X10 was running Eclair when it was shown to them at CES.
In my opinion that means that the X10 will most likely be shipped with Android 2.0. Which is good...
http://www.electronista.com/a[....]sson.android.phone.a.redeemer/
Posted by mediar
This link has already been posted a few times, and the information inside is wrong.
Posted by domipost
Back in November an SE rep confirmed to me that it would get 2.0, and I won't know why not. I mean, are there any examples where SE shipped a phone with a version of a platform that was already outdated? Shure, X1 didn't get an Winmo 6.5-update, but not a single model from autumn 2008 got that, so what's the point there? Funny that people are complaining about Samsung with the Omnia and SE with the X1, while the Touch HD didn't get an update too and is from the same period of time. But hey, HTC is so great, because the Diamond2 and the TP2 (which got released at least five months later) did get the update..... Weird, isn't it?
Posted by anonymuser
There are so many quotes flying around about whether the X10 will definitely get an update, or whether it's simply "updateable" - I think it's pretty likely they'll release 2.0 for it in due course, but it won't be there at launch. I base that on the fact that SE have already put a lot of effort into customising 1.6 to their end, and - particularly after the software debacles of the Satio and X2 - they aren't likely to ditch all that work in favour of a rushed port to something else at the last minute.
Having said all that, anyone who buys this phone, or any phone, on the promise of an update is a fool. If you aren't happy with the features and functions of the X10 with the software it's eventually released with, don't buy it. Wait until it gets that update and supports what you want, or look for something else that does already. Otherwise there's no telling how long you may be waiting for an update from a manufacturer who has, at the end of the day, already taken your money, given you a (hopefully) working phone, and really owes you nothing more.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2010-01-14 12:26 ]
Posted by anders260
New Pictures, are these any good?
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com[....]mple-photos-from-the-holidays/
Posted by doministry
On 2010-01-14 12:17:45, domipost wrote:
Back in November an SE rep confirmed to me that it would get 2.0, and I won't know why not. I mean, are there any examples where SE shipped a phone with a version of a platform that was already outdated? Shure, X1 didn't get an Winmo 6.5-update, but not a single model from autumn 2008 got that, so what's the point there? Funny that people are complaining about Samsung with the Omnia and SE with the X1, while the Touch HD didn't get an update too and is from the same period of time. But hey, HTC is so great, because the Diamond2 and the TP2 (which got released at least five months later) did get the update..... Weird, isn't it?
And dozens of other less popular HTC devices didn't get the update either.
Posted by McKinley
On 2010-01-14 12:55:52, anders260 wrote:
New Pictures, are these any good?
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com[....]mple-photos-from-the-holidays/
Among the best of 8MP cameras.
Good quality really
[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2010-01-14 12:53 ]
Posted by anonymuser
On 2010-01-14 13:45:14, doministry wrote:
And dozens of other less popular HTC devices didn't get the update either.
True, and I'm not about to start banging a drum for HTC, although across their range they have been known to provide free updates for some of their Winmo and Android handsets. Even before WM6.5, they updated some of their original WM5 phones to WM6, WM6 phones to 6.1, etc. Not all, but some.
It's a stark, solid fact that SE have never provided a major OS update for any of their smartphones. Ever. Patches and fixes yes, but nothing more than that, and nothing on the scale of a move from Android 1.6 to 2.0 for example. That's not saying it won't happen for the X10, just that they have absolutely no history of it, no experience of releasing such an upgrade, and actually quite a few WM and UIQ users who have been disappointed by a lack of similar updates in the past.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2010-01-14 13:08 ]
Posted by mreman4k
On 2010-01-14 12:39:06, Boinng wrote:
...
Having said all that, anyone who buys this phone, or any phone, on the promise of an update is a fool. If you aren't happy with the features and functions of the X10 with the software it's eventually released with, don't buy it. Wait until it gets that update and supports what you want, or look for something else that does already. Otherwise there's no telling how long y'ou may be waiting for an update from a manufacturer who has, at the end of the day, already taken your money, given you a (hopefully) working phone, and really owes you nothing more.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2010-01-14 12:26 ]
Exactly. My sentiments exactly. If I buy the X10, I am not at all expecting to see any type of Android 2.0 update. If I don't buy the X10, I'm not expecting to see an Android 2.0 update. Given SE's history in software, I just don't expect it.
Posted by hydro-
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/[....]ny-ericsson-xperia-x10-review/
four stars already and it was only a pre-production model!
Things are looking up!
Posted by domipost
On 2010-01-14 14:01:11, Boinng wrote:
On 2010-01-14 13:45:14, doministry wrote:
And dozens of other less popular HTC devices didn't get the update either.
True, and I'm not about to start banging a drum for HTC, although across their range they have been known to provide free updates for some of their Winmo and Android handsets. Even before WM6.5, they updated some of their original WM5 phones to WM6, WM6 phones to 6.1, etc. Not all, but some.
It's a stark, solid fact that SE have never provided a major OS update for any of their smartphones. Ever. Patches and fixes yes, but nothing more than that, and nothing on the scale of a move from Android 1.6 to 2.0 for example. That's not saying it won't happen for the X10, just that they have absolutely no history of it, no experience of releasing such an upgrade, and actually quite a few WM and UIQ users who have been disappointed by a lack of similar updates in the past.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2010-01-14 13:08 ]
Ok, that might be true (not really into the history of such things), but I guess in none of that cases SE said they would update and in none of that cases the newer OS was already there on release.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2010-01-14 17:12:15, domipost wrote:
Ok, that might be true (not really into the history of such things), but I guess in none of that cases SE said they would update and in none of that cases the newer OS was already there on release.
What "SE said" tends to become a very subjective thing over time - in the build up to every new phone there are always a lot of quotes and hearsay flying around, and yes, I'm sure that at various times in the past it's been thought that SE promised various things that never transpired. But it's fair to say the newer OS wasn't already there on release, because in the past SE tended to use the latest version in whichever phone they were releasing
Even if the 2.0 update is a dead cert, and coming sooner rather than later, what about 2.5, or 3.0? It's worth thinking about, with a phone like this. By the time the X10 is released, 2.1 may well be a couple of months old, Nexus One owners are bound to be preparing for their 2.2 update or whatever comes next - given the level of customisation on the X10, are SE likely to keep pace? I'm guessing it's a no.
Posted by moogoo
On 2010-01-14 16:41:45, hydro- wrote:
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/[....]ny-ericsson-xperia-x10-review/
four stars already and it was only a pre-production model!
Things are looking up!
interesting how the first page of the review says it will miss out on features such as google nav. afaik google nav works on 1.6 as well.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
I do not want to make a list of features that X10 lack which I think it should have but I can't help it. SE does not seem to listen. With the announcement of the Apple 4G just few months away and ever increasing Android powered cell phones that are in the market and are going to be announced, how can X10 be a success? It lacks features that Iphone 3GS has, last year's top phone. Aside from the Mediascape and Timescape, what else X10 has to offer? Perhaps, a 4" inch WVGA capacitive screen with 265K colors, an 8 megapixel camera and WVGA resolution recording capability, and of course, powerful 1ghz snapdragon cpu.
The list features that I posted few pages back is X10 needs in order to stay revelant in the high end market plus the netflix integration and PS3 remote software, X10 would be definitely and undeniable a device to have for in 2010.
Posted by mreman4k
To be honest, I think amongst Android devices Mediascape, the good 8.1MP camera, and face recognition is going to be enough to differentiate it from other Android handsets. Android has a pisspoor stock media player, terrible cameras (up until the Nexus one, but the camera software on the X10 still is worlds beyond HTCs). Timescape has been done before and is nothing new (conglomeration of communication from multiple sources).
Posted by moogoo
On 2010-01-14 18:24:40, rss_ndrsn wrote:
I do not want to make a list of features that X10 lack which I think it should have but I can't help it. SE does not seem to listen. With the announcement of the Apple 4G just few months away and ever increasing Android powered cell phones that are in the market and are going to be announced, how can X10 be a success? It lacks features that Iphone 3GS has, last year's top phone. Aside from the Mediascape and Timescape, what else X10 has to offer? Perhaps, a 4" inch WVGA capacitive screen with 265K colors, an 8 megapixel camera and WVGA resolution recording capability, and of course, powerful 1ghz snapdragon cpu.
The list features that I posted few pages back is X10 needs in order to stay revelant in the high end market plus the netflix integration and PS3 remote software, X10 would be definitely and undeniable a device to have for in 2010.
what exactly does the 3GS have over the X10 ? i can't think of a single thing...
Posted by dothan
the user interface and the apple.
Posted by my ninja
what exactly does the 3GS have over the X10 ? i can't think of a single thing...
nearly 8mos of availability ... and an anticipated younger bigger stronger tablet, in addition to another iteration of the phone. i nice hate apple but lets be clear here, theres a lot the 3gs has the x10 wont even when it is out.
f**k an iphone though.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2010-01-14 19:12:15, moogoo wrote:
what exactly does the 3GS have over the X10 ? i can't think of a single thing...
Multitouch. Approximately 90,000 apps. Several million users. The real question is, how is the X10 going to fend off the next iPhone? Is Timescape really going to cut it?
Posted by doministry
On 2010-01-14 21:58:22, Boinng wrote:
On 2010-01-14 19:12:15, moogoo wrote:
what exactly does the 3GS have over the X10 ? i can't think of a single thing...
Multitouch. Approximately 90,000 apps. Several million users. The real question is, how is the X10 going to fend off the next iPhone? Is Timescape really going to cut it?
That's really much! I'm almost speachless....
But seriously, I think it will take long time for anybody
to repeat the Apple sale numbers.
It never happens because of amazing set of features, people,
wake up.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
What SE have to do is to make sure that X10 will have "unparallel features" for few months. When you're up against a company like Apple, good or better is not enough; you got to be the best.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2010-01-15 02:24 ]
Posted by moogoo
On 2010-01-14 21:58:22, Boinng wrote:
On 2010-01-14 19:12:15, moogoo wrote:
what exactly does the 3GS have over the X10 ? i can't think of a single thing...
Multitouch. Approximately 90,000 apps. Several million users. The real question is, how is the X10 going to fend off the next iPhone? Is Timescape really going to cut it?
Millions of users? sure. they have good marketing and the user interface is fun and easy to use. i can't argue that.
90,000 aps .. with about 50% that are simply crap apps. Android market is just starting and with more than just one manufacturer pumping out android phones, it will soon have just as many if not more apps than that available for iphone.
X10's multi-touch is not a limitation of its hardware, but of android. Which as we all know can be implemented if desired.
How bout something 3GS doesn't have... of high importance to me - MULTI-TASKING.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
The X10 does not have multitasking feature as well right?
Posted by mediar
It does. When you open an application in X10 and press the middle button, you don't close but minimize it. That's why you need to use a task manager to swich between the opened apps and to close the paas which aren't in use.
[ This Message was edited by: mediar on 2010-01-15 06:10 ]
Posted by untitled1
sure it has.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2010-01-15 04:21:25, moogoo wrote:
Millions of users? sure. they have good marketing and the user interface is fun and easy to use. i can't argue that.
So don't dismiss it - it's important. Millions of users = huge developer support = even happier users. The customer satisfaction figures bear out the fact that the iPhone now has many millions of satisfied customers, most of whom have bought into the iPhone ecosystem and a number of apps. Now look again at the X10 - how many of those iPhone users is it going to attract? Any?
90,000 aps .. with about 50% that are simply crap apps.
The problem for you is, you can apply a completely made up and subjective "statistic" like that, and you're still conceding that there are 45,000 good iPhone apps out there. Apply the same logic to the Android marketplace (and why shouldn't we?) you're left with just 5,000 apps. Just 11% of non-crap available to the iPhone.
Android market is just starting and with more than just one manufacturer pumping out android phones, it will soon have just as many if not more apps than that available for iphone.
Let's get this right - the Android market has been around for more than a year now. The G1 was launched along with the market back in October 2008, they've been selling paid apps since February last year, multiple Android handsets have been around (and selling reasonably well) for a year or so already. It's a simple fact that for all Google's hype, developer support for the Android market has not been as forthcoming as anyone expected. Bear in mind Apple's store got to 56,000 apps in it's first year, on the strength of just one company making one phone (and one PMP) for it.
X10's multi-touch is not a limitation of its hardware, but of android. Which as we all know can be implemented if desired.
And are you expecting it to be?
How bout something 3GS doesn't have... of high importance to me - MULTI-TASKING.
Windows Mobile has always done multi-tasking. So has Symbian. So there's no way the iPhone could ever beat a Windows or Symbian phone, right?
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2010-01-15 07:57 ]
Posted by moogoo
I never dismissed the fact that it has millions of users. Apple has good marketing and has established the ipod/itunes foundation to make the iphone more successful than without it. On the flip side, you have android phones, which has not put forth the same amount of marketing as the iphone has. when the G1 came out a year ago, at least here in the states, I did not see a SINGLE television ad, hear a SINGLE radio ad. I would only see ads online and only if i went to mobile phone specific websites. It was not marketed to the general public as much as the iphone. and admittedly, the basic android OS and UI is not as slick and pretty as the iphone's. Yet another reason why it did not attract the masses immediately.
However, now it's different. With the huge push for android phones, especially with moto droid series and huge marketing campaigns that come with it, android has become more common among the everyday user. Whereas a year ago or even 6 months ago, before the droid, the everyday user most likely would not have been aware of android or the market place. Of course, with more awareness of android in the general public, the marketplace will grow as well. In addition, the number of android devices are growing and the new ones actually don't look like ugly bricks like the G1. Which means even MORE sales, MORE users, and in turn more developer support. Furthermore, you cannot apply the same (albeit arbitrary) statistic to the apps on the android marketplace because it simply isn't true. Try searching for a fart noise app on itunes vs the marketplace. It's obvious itunes has much more crap-ware.
As far as multi-touch being implemented. Yes i do expect it to be. Whether it is by SE, by google with an OS update or by a 3rd party developer for use in their specific app. If it's possible and it is desired, it will be done.
Lastly, why on earth are you bringing symbian and winMo into this? We're comparing the 3GS with the X10. WinMo and Symbian are irrelevant. It's iphone OS vs Android. and clearly android can multi-task and iphone OS cannot. For many that may not be an issue, but for me it is of high importance.
Anyway. You can reply if you wish but I'm done. Our debate adds nothing of real use to this thread.
Posted by anonymuser
I don't agree that Android has been some low-key affair up till now - the G1 was launched with quite a fanfare, and let's not forget it had one of the biggest technology brands in the world behind it, along with a lot of free advertising on the world's number one website and advertising platform to boot. People are acting now as if the Nexus One is the first "Googlephone", but that's really not the case at all.
Aside from that, you have the more attractive G2/Magic launching in February last year, some other big profile handsets like the Hero and, as you mention, the Droid - all pretty well established in the market now. And we're still waiting for that app market to pick up? The massively hyped Nexus One is out now (apparently selling all of 20,000 handsets in the first week if you believe one set of figures), and we still have to wait for that late surge of developers? Gonna happen any day now, right?
On 2010-01-15 09:43:48, moogoo wrote:
Furthermore, you cannot apply the same (albeit arbitrary) statistic to the apps on the android marketplace
Yes I can. By the same imaginary justification you used when you applied it to the app store.
because it simply isn't true.
No, and it wasn't true of the app store either.
Try searching for a fart noise app on itunes vs the marketplace. It's obvious itunes has much more crap-ware.
No, it's obvious you want to classify more of itunes as "crap-ware", but all it really proves is that the app store caters for a lot more tastes. Don't forget, people actually buy the apps you're rubbishing - in their thousands - making for a lot more happy customers and happy developers over in the iPhone camp. Explain again, how is the sparcity of any apps in the Android market a good thing?
As far as multi-touch being implemented. Yes i do expect it to be. Whether it is by SE, by google with an OS update or by a 3rd party developer for use in their specific app. If it's possible and it is desired, it will be done.
For the X10, the update would clearly have to come from SE, since the whole software build is custom - this isn't something that Google or anyone else could magic onto the handset, not that there are any firm signs that Google intend to implement this in their own handsets anyway.
Given SE's history, I think it's quite fair to say that if the X10 isn't multitouch at launch, it will never be multitouch.
Lastly, why on earth are you bringing symbian and winMo into this?
Because they're still relevant to this, in a "lesson from history" kind of way. You brought up Android's ability to multi-task as some kind of singular, all conquering uber-feature to beat the iPhone. I simply pointed out that the iPhone has already defeated two OSs that have shared that same feature for over ten years.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2010-01-15 13:11 ]
Posted by goldenface
Can someone please start an iPhone v X10 thread.
I still don't see what the significant benefits of an OS upgrade will bring. As SE's first Android phone its a good effort and no doubt Mobile World Congress will see more Android devices which may be even better than the X10.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-01-15 13:50 ]
Posted by synn
On 2010-01-15 14:33:51, goldenface wrote:
Can someone please start an iPhone v X10 thread.
What's the point? Boinng turns every thread into an iPhone thread. Why bother?
I still don't see what the significant benefits of an OS upgrade will bring.
This. Going through the complaints raised by Milestone and Nexus One users, I'd much rather have a properly working version of the older firmware than a buggy new one. Especially when the X10 will have proper bluetooth profiles, Google navigation and all the other USEFUL updates that 2.0 brought. I can live without Multi effin' touch. However, I most definitely don't want my phone to drop 3G signal 20 times a minute.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2010-01-15 15:30:11, synn wrote:
What's the point? Boinng turns every thread into an iPhone thread. Why bother?
Actually, it was moogoo who asked for the comparison. True story.
Posted by sealover94
Can someone tell SE that SE fans are loosing their patience and trust to the company ... ??
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2010-01-15 16:49 ]
Posted by goldenface
123 pages and still no phone. Grrrrr!
Posted by synn
Can someone tell SE that SE fans are loosing the patience and trust to the company ... ??
As long as we're all demanding stuff, can someone call the
Posted by sealover94
prototypes....prototypes....prototypes!I start thinking that the number of prototypes will be more the the retail phones SE will sell
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2010-01-15 18:47 ]
Posted by Toney_Ericsson
Anyone seen what is on the Sony Ericsson website under the X10? A calendar with the words "You'll be able to get your hands on an X10 within 3 months"
What a joke....
If it doesn't come with Android 2.0 at least Sony Ericsson can get stuffed. Really had enough of there buggy and late and out of date phones.
[ This Message was edited by: Toney_Ericsson on 2010-01-15 19:14 ]
Posted by Domecot
On 2010-01-15 20:13:12, Toney_Ericsson wrote:
Anyone seen what is on the Sony Ericsson website under the X10? A calendar with the words "You'll be able to get your hands on an X10 within 3 months"
What a joke....
If it doesn't come with Android 2.0 at least Sony Ericsson can get stuffed. Really had enough of there buggy and late and out of date phones.
[ This Message was edited by: Toney_Ericsson on 2010-01-15 19:14 ]
I can't find it. Can i please have a link? Thanks a bunch!
Posted by Toney_Ericsson
Link text...
Look under the X10 handset there's a calendar with a message
Posted by Pistvakten
Swedish web store Komplett (http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=580144) has the X10 for delivery Jan-30.
Posted by mreman4k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQHrYiU_dM4 -> Internet Browsing & Android Market
Posted by domipost
On 2010-01-15 20:28:08, Pistvakten wrote:
Swedish web store Komplett (http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=580144) has the X10 for delivery Jan-30.
Don't believe a word of it....
Posted by kingcool88
On 2010-01-15 20:28:08, Pistvakten wrote:
Swedish web store Komplett (http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=580144) has the X10 for delivery Jan-30.
Inwarehouse and Komplett is the same store, and they do not have accurate releasedates. Not in the past at least...
Posted by domipost
An SE Marcom manager confirmed to me that it's impossible
Didn't expect elseway anyway, but still
Posted by Arne Anka
On 2010-01-15 21:00:55, mreman4k wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQHrYiU_dM4 -> Internet Browsing & Android Market
Hmm. Around 3:20/3:25 the person performs a move that almost resembles a pinch zoom (with emphasis on "almost resembles").
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2010-01-15 23:10 ]