Posted by Dups!
Can someone translate for us that link cause I really would like to know what exactly the delay about Qualcomm is?
I prefer the full information that a one line explanation.
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2010-01-06 12:42:50, MyP910 wrote:
but.. the nexus one is ugly (to me)... In term of design, X10 wins hands down.
I find the Nexus much more pleasing to the eye than the X10 (at least in picture form) but that just shows how personal taste is different.
Posted by Dups!
@Nitro Fan
Judging by the last statement in your signature I wouldn't have guessed that you like the Nexus One.
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2010-01-06 11:48:48, kingcool88 wrote:
As mentioned before, its not SE thats delayed, its QUALCOMM that cant deliver the platform in time!
SE side is almost ready with the software, so qualcomm is a big backstab...
And to the guy asking if the green android guy shows up if somebody you dont have contactpic, calls. The answer is now:) It shows a timescape blue pic, with the number:)
Info taken from minhembio (swedish):
http://www.minhembio.com/foru[....]237172&view=findpost&p=2730526
http://www.minhembio.com/foru[....]237172&view=findpost&p=2730291
Perhaps Qualcomm decided that Google had a better chance of actually selling their product than Sony Ericsson? there do not seem to be any shortages of the snapdragon platform delaying the Nexus One.
My view is that
have screwed up the SW development meaning they will yet again, be late to market with an out of date product, honestly it makes me want to weep. I remember the halcyon days of the T68 and the P800, man I was proud of my Ericsson and my then.
The real issue here is the fact that others are already out there with Android 2.1 devices whilst
are still messing about with timescape & mediascape both of which run like three legged dogs on v1.5!
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2010-01-06 15:40:13, Dups! wrote:
@Nitro Fan
Judging by the last statement in your signature I wouldn't have guessed that you like the Nexus One.
Hi Dups!
I have been a big
fan for many years but they are no longer leading edge I had pretty much made my mind up that if the X10 was any good I would come back to the fold, but the Nexus is just so nice, and it runs unadulterated fast Android 2.1! I cant see any point in hanging around for the X10.
Posted by kits
Same with me. I love SE's feature phones and prefer their designs over other crap but I just can't hang in any longer for X10. Nothing is clear about when it will hit the stores and eve when it hits it will be having a laughable older version of OS.
So, ordered Nexus yesterday with a T-mobile contract.
On 2010-01-06 15:52:15, Nitro Fan wrote:
On 2010-01-06 15:40:13, Dups! wrote:
@Nitro Fan
Judging by the last statement in your signature I wouldn't have guessed that you like the Nexus One.
Hi Dups!
I have been a big
fan for many years but they are no longer leading edge I had pretty much made my mind up that if the X10 was any good I would come back to the fold, but the Nexus is just so nice, and it runs unadulterated fast Android 2.1! I cant see any point in hanging around for the X10.
Posted by goldenface
Looks like our X10 has a little sister.
Meet Robyn
http://www.gsmarena.com/meet_[....]on_of_xperia_x10-news-1359.php
Posted by MyP910
I've been using a lot of SE mobile phones and smartphones and I don't have any software problems with them except P990. I think the one and only failure product of SE is P990.
SE phones that I've been using : T300, P800, Z550, S500, P910, P990, C905 and X1. I don't think SE has a problem with the SW developement.
Posted by Dups!
@Nitro Fan
Trust me I understand your frustrations/disappointments and even your anger.
I am up for an upgrade tomorrow and no SE interests me, in fact, I am going to get a Blackberry. It would've been an SE had they known what they were doing these days.
Posted by synn
On 2010-01-06 13:39:13, Boinng wrote:
On 2010-01-06 13:13:11, synn wrote:
Ever occurred to some of you that the launch date of the X10 may be revised purely due to marketing reasons, i.e. to not let it get lost in the sea of hype that follows the Nexus One?
Yes.
On 2010-01-05 13:49:07, Boinng wrote:
Or maybe they've decided that the X10's launch was likely to get lost in all the Nexus One's hooplah anyway? Do they release now and try to shout louder than Google, or leave that to settle down and release in March when the X10 is even more out of date? An unenviable choice.
SE wouldn't be in this position if they hadn't mismanaged their own R&D from the start.
I'm sorry, I missed the memo confirming that the X10 won't get software upgrades while the Nexus One magically gets a camera and display upgrade to one-up the former.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2010-01-06 17:19:17, synn wrote:
I'm sorry, I missed the memo confirming that the X10 won't get software upgrades while the Nexus One magically gets a camera and display upgrade to one-up the former.
Erm, what are you saying now, SE don't need to worry about the fuss over Nexus One? Wasn't it you that just suggested they would be, and delaying the launch accordingly? Either the lowly Nexus One (you know, that Snapdragon-powered Android phone that's actually on sale) is competition to the X10 or it isn't - which?
Posted by synn
I don't need you to put words into my mouth, thanks.
My original point was about the HYPE surrounding the Nexus One, not the device itself. What should all the other manufacturers do now that the Nexus One is out? Quit Android altogether?
Wait, don't bother to answer. I already know your reply:
Wah.
Wah.
and Wah.
Posted by Dups!
For a company that is in financial woes it is surprising that they are delaying the phone that could turn the tide for them. I am really having a hard time believing this 'Qualcomm hasn't approved the OS'. After months of tweaking and optimization suddenly there is such a problem.
Come on now, this sounds just like SE, the SE that doesn't know where it is heading or what it is doing.
Posted by sealover94
On 2010-01-06 11:00:15, sealover94 wrote:
IMHO Wait for a new SE Android smartphone(hopefully with no delays till summer) ... don't become testers of another sonyericsson's outdated first attempt. Otherwise go for Nexus one.
I said goodbye to this device since i heard about the x2 releasing date about a month ago..
On 2010-01-06 16:18:04, goldenface wrote:
Looks like our X10 has a little sister.
Meet Robyn
http://www.gsmarena.com/meet_[....]on_of_xperia_x10-news-1359.php
As i said...
Wait for the new models to come (hopefully NOT delayed.......)
Posted by fjcarlsson
On 2010-01-06 16:18:04, goldenface wrote:
Looks like our X10 has a little sister.
Meet Robyn
http://www.gsmarena.com/meet_[....]on_of_xperia_x10-news-1359.php
Now, this is the phone I've been waiting for, was just thinking the other day how nice it would be if W995 had touch screen. X10 is a bit bulky in your pocket...
Posted by anonymuser
On 2010-01-06 17:41:53, synn wrote:
Wah.
I had a feeling you'd be in that kind of mood today
Posted by synn
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Posted by anonymuser
There's truly no answer to that!
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2010-01-06 16:18:04, goldenface wrote:
Looks like our X10 has a little sister.
Meet Robyn
http://www.gsmarena.com/meet_[....]on_of_xperia_x10-news-1359.php
Seems Sony Ericsson NEVER learn they still don't have the X10 on the market yet!
Posted by anonymuser
On 2010-01-07 10:37:38, Nitro Fan wrote:
Seems Sony Ericsson NEVER learn they still don't have the X10 on the market yet!
Classic SE again - leaking that now (no doubt many months ahead of any possible release) to make themselves seem ahead of the game, never mind that it makes the X10 seem even more dated already.
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2010-01-06 17:41:53, synn wrote:
My original point was about the HYPE surrounding the Nexus One, not the device itself. What should all the other manufacturers do now that the Nexus One is out? Quit Android altogether?
Hi Syn happy new year,
I do not think anyone will be walking away from Android, From a business point of view the Nexus One is exactly what the Android platform needed, a sexy device with a well known name behind it, and all the better attributes of the iPhone, plus expandable storage, replaceable battery, reasonable pricing and contract flexibility and a high wow factor.
IMHO Google with the Nexus One have just set the bar at a new height for Super Phones, Android developers, indeed the whole sector. Sony Ericsson with the X10, Apple with the iPhone and Moto with their future offerings, should take advantage of this opportunity and develop devices & applications that challenge the Nexus it will be to our (The Paying customers good).
I am NOT a fan of the iPhone but its arrival set the standard to which all other smart / super / pocket pc's aspire (Dammit!) the Nexus is the first device I have seen that genuinely rivals the iPhone's position long may it continue.
However for Sony Ericsson I fear it will be yet another lesson they will fail to learn.
They are already trumpeting a "Baby X10" whilst the X10 still languishes in the lab with a number of issues, an out of date OS and
trying to blame to unavailability of the snapdragon platform (As available in the Nexus One) for its woes! They are beginning to sound like a football managers "Its everybody's fault" but not ours![ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2010-01-07 10:21 ]
Posted by Dups!
Truly pathetic!!!
I am lost for words. This company is either living in another world to the one that has the likes of Nokia, Samsung, Apple and even Motorola or it really has no clue how to run its business. The baby X10 isn't a bad idea in itself, it is actually an excellent one but that the X10 is still nowhere to be found makes this exercise really mind boggling or silly.
If the X10 is released in March then the likelihood that the 'baby' will be released soon after evaporates, it will probably come in July when there will some seriously stiff competition from the other manufactures.
Good luck in surviving this year SE cause you are really, really going to need it.
Posted by sealover94
On 2010-01-07 11:40:33, Dups! wrote:
Truly pathetic!!!
I am lost for words. This company is either living in another world to the one that has the likes of Nokia, Samsung, Apple and even Motorola or it really has no clue how to run its business. The baby X10 isn't a bad idea in itself, it is actually an excellent one but that the X10 is still nowhere to be found makes this exercise really mind boggling or silly.
If the X10 is released in March then the likelihood that the 'baby' will be released soon after evaporates, it will probably come in July when there will some seriously stiff competition from the other manufactures.
Good luck in surviving this year SE cause you are really, really going to need it.
Sony lives in another world too.... Take a look at Samsung 8000 series LEDTVs and find me on model of sony to compare... Walkman is slowly dying... etc
I have a feeling that this could be the last year for "sonyericsson" joint venture....
Some new staff here for x10 just to stay on topic
http://vimeo.com/8268566
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2010-01-07 11:08 ]
Posted by xperia_man
I am a SE Fan.
How many people are going to buy the x10 and be guinea pigs for SE ( Like The P990 Days ) Why can HTC and Google get it right with the launch of the nexus one. Even the N900 is out now .
SE Sounds like a car manufacturer that designs beautiful concepts but never ever delivers on time
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2010-01-07 11:40:33, Dups! wrote:
Truly pathetic!!!
I am lost for words. This company is either living in another world to the one that has the likes of Nokia, Samsung, Apple and even Motorola or it really has no clue how to run its business. The baby X10 isn't a bad idea in itself, it is actually an excellent one but that the X10 is still nowhere to be found makes this exercise really mind boggling or silly.
If the X10 is released in March then the likelihood that the 'baby' will be released soon after evaporates, it will probably come in July when there will some seriously stiff competition from the other manufactures.
Good luck in surviving this year SE cause you are really, really going to need it.
+1
Posted by aydahm
Hi there,
I have two simple questions, sorry in advance if these have been answered before.
1) what is the video recording capability of X10
2) does it have a frontal camera for video calling?
Thanks.
Posted by Arne Anka
1) WVGA (854x480). Not sure about the frame rate.
2) Not to my best knowladge.
Posted by mreman4k
Getting back on topic. An X10 from what I assume is CES.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_kIzRhxTp8
Posted by titus1
On 2010-01-07 12:36:49, xperia_man wrote:
I am a SE Fan.
How many people are going to buy the x10 and be guinea pigs for SE ( Like The P990 Days ) Why can HTC and Google get it right with the launch of the nexus one. Even the N900 is out now .
Anyone to anything can be a guinea pig. There are guinea pigs for 5800, the N97. If you're tester for SE, it doesn't make any difference at Nokia or any other brand for that matter.
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2010-01-07 16:00:16, mreman4k wrote:
Getting back on topic. An X10 from what I assume is CES.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_kIzRhxTp8
Nice
Posted by PakMan786
I think we've seen faster units...
Posted by juris15
XPERIA™ X10 comes to the market in March
[ This Message was edited by: juris15 on 2010-01-07 17:30 ]
Posted by sambouka
This is becoming ridiculous with
not releasing any phone until March...
If time to market continues to increase, I wonder what will generate money.
X10 in March
Hazel & Elm in Q2
Kurara who knows
Kanna who knows
x10 mini who knows
Posted by Maximys
@sambouka Elm will be available from Q1.
Posted by PakMan786
@Maximys,
how sure are u abt X10 getting version 2.0, when being released in March? I'm asking this, because if this is going to happen, I will definitely wait for X10.
Posted by sealover94
On 2010-01-07 20:03:43, PakMan786 wrote:
@Maximys,
how sure are u abt X10 getting version 2.0, when being released in March? I'm asking this, because if this is going to happen, I will definitely wait for X10.
As i said 1ghz will be sth common for a phone in early 2010...
Even Lenovo Lephone... will have one... with android too
Posted by untitled1
but lephone won't be available in europe or somewhere else except china.
nexus one is ugly.
i am waiting for x10 - it will be available for 480 EUR in germany at release time.
[ This Message was edited by: untitled1 on 2010-01-07 23:51 ]
Posted by PakMan786
@sealover
Snapdragon is not the only reason, why I'm willing to go for X10. I've seen some comparison-vids on engadget, and Moto's Droid doesn't look that slow next to NexusOne. And to be honest, I don't even notice that much of increased speed in Android. Looking at HTC HD2, it seems that even WinMo 6.5 is taking more advantage from 1 GHz.
But still, I would go for X10 beacause of it's gorgeous design and a camera capable of taking nice photos.
Posted by Supa_Fly
Ok
where is my Tegra2 based smartphone!!!
The NVIDIA® Tegra™ 250 processor delivers an uncompromised Web experience, including ultra low power Flash 10.1 acceleration, and unmatched multimedia to variety of devices.
Key Features
Dual-core ARM® Cortex -A9 MPCore™ Processor
Symmetric Multi-Processing support for blazing fast web browsing performance, improving load times and rendering of complex pages
Processing efficiency of Cortex-A9 provides industry leading performance in lowest power envelope
Ultra Low Power NVIDIA Graphics Processing Unit (GPU)
Enhanced NVIDIA graphics technology, enabling full Flash acceleration for an uncompromised HD web browsing experience
Next generation 3D rendering performance for the most compelling user interfaces and advanced mobile games
Full High Definition Multimedia
Up to 1080p video encode/decode and support for HD Web streaming formats, such as YouTube HD
Complete HW accelerated HD multimedia engine for visually stunning movie playback at lowest possible power
NVIDIA Low Power Management Architecture
Effective power management techniques, such as dynamic voltage and frequency scaling, for ultra-efficient power consumption across all use cases
Low-power design delivers over 140 hours audio and over 16 hours of HD video playback
Specifications
Processor and Memory Subsystem
Dual ARM® Cortex-A9 MPCore processors, Up to 1.0 GHz
32-bit LP-DDR2, DDR2
Ultra Low Power NVIDIA Graphics
OpenGL ES 2.0
Programmable pixel shader
Programmable vertex and lighting
2x 3D graphics performance of previous generation Tegra
Full High Definition Multimedia
1080p H.264/VC-1/MPEG-4 Video Decode
1080p H.264 Video Encode
Supports multi-standard audio formats, including AAC, AMR, WMA, and MP3
Upgraded JPEG encode and decode acceleration
Integrated Image Signal Processing
Up to 12 megapixel camera sensor support
Advanced imaging features (AWB, AF, AE, etc.)
Display Subsystem
True dual-display support
Maximum display resolutions supported:
1080p (1920x1080) HDMI 1.3
WSXGA+ (1680x1050) LCD
UXGA (1600x1200) CRT
NTSC/PAL TV output
Key Features
Dual-core ARM® Cortex -A9 MPCore™ Processor
Symmetric Multi-Processing support for blazing fast web browsing performance, improving load times and rendering of complex pages
Processing efficiency of Cortex-A9 provides industry leading performance in lowest power envelope
Ultra Low Power NVIDIA Graphics Processing Unit (GPU)
Enhanced NVIDIA graphics technology, enabling full Flash acceleration for an uncompromised HD web browsing experience
Next generation 3D rendering performance for the most compelling user interfaces and advanced mobile games
Full High Definition Multimedia
Up to 1080p video encode/decode and support for HD Web streaming formats, such as YouTube HD
Complete HW accelerated HD multimedia engine for visually stunning movie playback at lowest possible power
NVIDIA Low Power Management Architecture
Effective power management techniques, such as dynamic voltage and frequency scaling, for ultra-efficient power consumption across all use cases
Low-power design delivers over 140 hours audio and over 16 hours of HD video playback
Specifications
Processor and Memory Subsystem
Dual ARM® Cortex-A9 MPCore processors, Up to 1.0 GHz
32-bit LP-DDR2, DDR2
Ultra Low Power NVIDIA Graphics
OpenGL ES 2.0
Programmable pixel shader
Programmable vertex and lighting
2x 3D graphics performance of previous generation Tegra
Full High Definition Multimedia
1080p H.264/VC-1/MPEG-4 Video Decode
1080p H.264 Video Encode
Supports multi-standard audio formats, including AAC, AMR, WMA, and MP3
Upgraded JPEG encode and decode acceleration
Integrated Image Signal Processing
Up to 12 megapixel camera sensor support
Advanced imaging features (AWB, AF, AE, etc.)
Display Subsystem
True dual-display support
Maximum display resolutions supported:
1080p (1920x1080) HDMI 1.3
WSXGA+ (1680x1050) LCD
UXGA (1600x1200) CRT
NTSC/PAL TV output
^ This just made the current and future dual core Snapdragons useless.
Even an ARM A9 Cortex cpu with a GPU imbedded (just like snapdragon) running at 500mhz is faster. Snapdragon is "based" on A8.
Posted by badassmam
@ Prom1
Let the Tegra 1 based mobiles come first.........
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2010-01-06 11:00:15, sealover94 wrote:
IMHO Wait for a new SE Android smartphone(hopefully with no delays till summer) ... don't become testers of another sonyericsson's outdated first attempt. Otherwise go for Nexus one.
I said goodbye to this device since i heard about the x2 releasing date about a month ago..
I wouldn't touch the Nexus with a 39 & a half foot pole! There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING better in the Nexus over Rachel or X10. The bootup screen, possibly but nothing else. And I refuse to play with a 3yr old trackball technology on ANY smartphone. Been there and done that for 3mths with a BB Curve 8310/8300. Even RIM began to abondone that in 3 of their newly released smartphones (1 of which will come out for CDMA carriers).
With Ericsson owning serious patents and technologies along with ongoing contracts that Nortel Networks sold to them, SE is in a PRIME position to take advantage of Verizon's LTE development network - yes its already in testing and it'll launch (rumored) nationwide across USA late this year. No it won't be the first LTE deployment but possibly the largest initial offering, who knows. But its MAJOR chipset cheddar for Ericsson LM and this trickles down to future Android chipsets that
will use for sure in the future. Well let's hope.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2010-01-08 01:50:40, badassmam wrote:
@ Prom1
Let the Tegra 1 based mobiles come first.........
True ... but I want!
Posted by Tsepz_GP
How long have we been waiting for phones running the 1st Tegra CPU to come out? Hasnt it been like 2years
or am i confusing it with something else?
Posted by synn
ARM based SoCs usually take years between unveiling and retail. This is because the OEMs have to code and compile their ROMs for each platform. Even the OMAP3 had to wait almost 2 years before a phone sporting the same was unveiled.
Tegra 1 is based on ARM11. Both Snapdragon and OMPA3 are based on Cortex A8. The only place where Tegra trumps the other 2 is in power consumption. It's better suited for PMPs such as the Zune rather than a seriously productive machine. Tegra 2 however looks impressive. We'll see it in 2012, I guess.
If the world's still around, that is.
Posted by Hiron
Or the best scenario we could see Tegra 2 powered phone from SE in MWC 2011 next year.. SE usually spent 6 month - 1 year to develop phone from scratch..
Posted by my ninja
Nokia/Samsung/HTC/Apple
will be all over the new A9's. im using an A8 right now, and its good, really good. so who knows, lets wait and see, all those features are power hungry and battery technology isnt increasing with the rest of the parts of these mobicomms (mc). so it remains to be seen, but i like snapdragon.
Posted by snoFlake
Doesn't sound like Nokia style given the hopeless processors in their 2009 range excepting N900 and that's adequate - no more.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2010-01-08 09:07:13, synn wrote:
ARM based SoCs usually take years between unveiling and retail. This is because the OEMs have to code and compile their ROMs for each platform. Even the OMAP3 had to wait almost 2 years before a phone sporting the same was unveiled.
Tegra 1 is based on ARM11. Both Snapdragon and OMPA3 are based on Cortex A8. The only place where Tegra trumps the other 2 is in power consumption. It's better suited for PMPs such as the Zune rather than a seriously productive machine. Tegra 2 however looks impressive. We'll see it in 2012, I guess.
If the world's still around, that is.
Aha! Thanx for that Synn,makes a lota sense.
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2010-01-08 02:21:14, Prom1 wrote:
On 2010-01-06 11:00:15, sealover94 wrote:
IMHO Wait for a new SE Android smartphone(hopefully with no delays till summer) ... don't become testers of another sonyericsson's outdated first attempt. Otherwise go for Nexus one.
I said goodbye to this device since i heard about the x2 releasing date about a month ago..
I wouldn't touch the Nexus with a 39 & a half foot pole! There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING better in the Nexus over Rachel or X10. The bootup screen, possibly but nothing else. And I refuse to play with a 3yr old trackball technology on ANY smartphone. Been there and done that for 3mths with a BB Curve 8310/8300. Even RIM began to abondone that in 3 of their newly released smartphones (1 of which will come out for CDMA carriers).
With Ericsson owning serious patents and technologies along with ongoing contracts that Nortel Networks sold to them, SE is in a PRIME position to take advantage of Verizon's LTE development network - yes its already in testing and it'll launch (rumored) nationwide across USA late this year. No it won't be the first LTE deployment but possibly the largest initial offering, who knows. But its MAJOR chipset cheddar for Ericsson LM and this trickles down to future Android chipsets that
will use for sure in the future. Well let's hope.
IMHO the Trackball is an excellent feature Sony Ericsson have missed for the X10
As for Sony Ericsson owning patents etc, as they cant write SW worth a damn I fail to see what benefit it will give them tLets not forget they still have the X10 in the lab with issues and an out of date OS version! and wont be delivering until March if we are to belive to posts here. The X10 is a nice looker and has some great "ideas" built in but it is not ready yet and I feel NEXUS has just upped the Android ante it is here NOW!