Sony Ericsson X10 Official Thread

Posted by se_dude
Its probably going to be a US launch at first so X10 can have the Europe market share when it comes out in January.

Posted by anonymuser
Who says it won't be global? HTC (the manufacturers) are certainly capable of a global release, and Google is a pretty global company.

Posted by SE-Naz
Could I suggest that we discuss the New Google phone elsewhere as this is for the disucssion of the X10

Thanks

Posted by McKinley

On 2009-12-15 13:27:09, Boinng wrote:
I agree it looks a bit bland in the pics, but apparently it's "slimmer than the iPhone", and forget an update to 2.0 - this will have 2.1 out of the box. More importantly, it's going to have an almighty Google marketing push behind it, so frankly, the X10 will be left to the SE fans around here only - forget about the mass market. They just bought the Nexus One.

Going from 2.0 to 2.1 is only a minor update. It would of course have been nice to see 2.1 in the X10 too.
I'm pretty convinced we will see 2.1 for X10 too.

Posted by Nitro Fan
I don't see Google going for anything less than a global launch. If it was me I would be aiming at attracting those who for one reason or another don't want the Apple product, I would certainly not be giving anyone a free run at any market.

Posted by mreman4k
The Nexus One and X10 are pretty similar (touchscreen slabs, high end specs). I think Google will do way better on price though assuming Sony Ericsson can't get the X10 subsidized here in the States which is what matters in mainstream in the US. If the Nexus One was confirmed to have AT&T 3G bands, the decision would be automatic for me.

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-12-15 13:42:20, SE-Naz wrote:
Could I suggest that we discuss the New Google phone elsewhere as this is for the disucssion of the X10

Given the similarity of specs and timing, and the almost inevitable impact that even the thought of this phone is going to have on X10 sales, I think it's pretty relevant - personally.

Posted by SE-Naz
I do agree to some level Boinng... However it should not be taken over as this is meant to be discussion about the X10

Thanks

Posted by titus1
Oh please...I really don't see the relevance, unless you're a....

[ This Message was edited by: titus1 on 2009-12-15 16:31 ]

Posted by McKinley
Between the X10 and the other offerings, the UI of an X10 looks so much more appealing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqoI9KKM9Y

Posted by TheHank
I for one does not think it is a good for Android that google starts making phones. Since they controll android they will always make sure their phones gets all the updates first and pretty much ruin it for other manufactures. Android will probably become more like IPhone and IphonOS but with some small specialized devices runing it. This spoils the whole idea of an open OS. Let's hope Nokia makes Maemo more open than Android.

I want an OS that is not controlled by one manufacturer. To bad Winmo sucks...
I will most likely get the X10 anyway because I need a new phone soon.

Posted by TheHank
The X10 might not get the competition after all.

http://phandroid.com/2009/12/[....]-is-fake-apple-started-rumors/

This might just be another rumor... The internet is after all full of them.

Posted by McKinley
Ok, is this where mobile-review cease to exist?
He will be hailed as true oracle if he is right but unfortunately I think has said one or a few things too many.

Posted by clobar

On 2009-12-15 22:03:14, TheHank wrote:
I for one does not think it is a good for Android that google starts making phones. Since they controll android they will always make sure their phones gets all the updates first and pretty much ruin it for other manufactures. Android will probably become more like IPhone and IphonOS but with some small specialized devices runing it. This spoils the whole idea of an open OS. Let's hope Nokia makes Maemo more open than Android.

I want an OS that is not controlled by one manufacturer. To bad Winmo sucks...
I will most likely get the X10 anyway because I need a new phone soon.

I totally agree with you. If google launched their own phone ( not a new dev-phone ) I would seriously reconsider buying an Android phone. I would probably wait for the next generation of windows phone or even symbian instead.

Posted by MyP910
nahh.... the X10 is more pretty than the nexus one... it is quite easy to choose between them.

Posted by se_dude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e91b-gH5r_o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqoI9KKM9Y

Posted by mreman4k
The black X10 looks outstanding, I can't say this enough. I think UX/Nexus (Time/Mediascape) will be the differentiating feature from all other Android headsets. If SE can release this ontime at a competitive pricepoint, the X10 will be a banger.

[ This Message was edited by: mreman4k on 2009-12-16 03:40 ]

Posted by moogoo
notice in the new videos the tiles in timescape animate already fully loaded with pictures instead of empty tiles like in prior videos...

LOOKING GOOD!!

Posted by >500
@boinng

for some of your stature, on the forums anyway, id expect you to know better than to compare an OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED product to a RUMOURED device. Kudos to you!

And if mentioning it once was not enough, you have backed it up by mentioning it numerous times, talking of x10 being a complete failure compared to the so called 'google phone'.

Perhaps wait until the 'google phone' is official before you start any sort of comparisons hey... Make sense that way!

back on topic...
the ui is looking good. if we are looking at a feb release, id say production would need to have started shortly!

[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2009-12-16 06:50 ]

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-12-16 07:50:31, >500 wrote:
@boinng

for some of your stature, on the forums anyway

Que?! I have "stature" now? First I heard about it!

id expect you to know better than to compare an OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED product to a RUMOURED device. Kudos to you!

And if mentioning it once was not enough, you have backed it up by mentioning it numerous times, talking of x10 being a complete failure compared to the so called 'google phone'.

Perhaps wait until the 'google phone' is official before you start any sort of comparisons hey... Make sense that way!

So by that token, nobody was talking about "Raphael" or comparing it to existing phones until a few weeks ago, right? No, I didn't think so. Look, we all know things can change, most of what we discuss here unless it's on the shop shelf already is a rumour, even the X10 could still change significantly before it hits the market, and no firm date for release has been set in stone yet. But what SE have done by announcing the X10 in detail so ahead of that release is not something that every manufacturer does - if Google/HTC are releasing this phone in January (and it really, really looks like they are) there's absolutely no reason to assume they'd have announced it yet - it may go "official" and release within a fortnight.

Here's a few things which aren't rumours, but cold hard facts:

1. The FCC have approved the "Nexus One".
2. An Android ROM labelled "Nexus One" has been leaked, containing references to the Snapdragon processor.
3. Google have applied for a trademark on "Nexus One" (and to keep that trademark they MUST use it commercially).
4. Google have confirmed their employees are testing "innovative hardware" from a partner (those same employees have tweeted many pics of the device and referred to it as the "Google Phone").
5. Although clearly HTC in origin, none of the devices carry any HTC branding.

Much of the detailed info came out over the weekend - some of it from Google themselves - after the claims from Eldar that it was all some elaborate Apple hoax, and leaving him looking more than a little silly TBH.

Something else to think about: the popular "safe" explanation for all this is that the Nexus One is just an elaborately branded (and publicised) "development handset" and that Google wouldn't produce their own hardware as it would damage their relationship with partners etc... so. Bearing in mind that the whole tech world is now talking about the Nexus One, and all Google's partners will be feeling (to some extent) the pinch from this, why have Google not taken any of the ample opportunities they've had to explain it's development nature? Why not a simple re-statement of their claim that they have no plans to release such a phone?

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-12-16 10:04 ]

Posted by >500
sorry i may have typed that incorrectly. talking about it (rachael) before announcement yes, comparing yes, fine, but calling a device a failure against a phone thats not announced yet, no.

though, in general, i dont see why people 'compare' un-announced products with announced products. sure they can discuss the un-announced phone, speculate what it will bring etc etc, but to compare one, with out CONFIRMED specs, is a little silly imho. Whilst in response to your comment, this was not directed at you boinng, but people in general

any way moving on

[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2009-12-16 10:17 ]

Posted by ron.jeremy
I have never ever seen a topic or tread with such amount of bs than in here, why is that?
Guys, this is for X10, not HTC or any other rumored device.

Give us a freakin break ASAP!

On a sidenote, X10 looks faster than ever on that last video, good sign imo.

Posted by mediar
But Timescape and Mediascape are still laggy, not much improvements in these applications since the last previews.

Posted by Ravager

On 2009-12-16 17:22:15, mediar wrote:
But Timescape and Mediascape are still laggy, not much improvements in these applications since the last previews.

I disagree to some extend, in one of the videos timescape seems as it used to do, but in the other one it fast, only lagging when starting. And if i'm not wrong, haven't they brought back the "flying pictures" instead of just the cards if you know what i mean?

Posted by mediar
It's laggy whyn you start it and when you go through the tabs ( changing the bricks in Timescape ). As laggy I mean the transitions are not smooth, not something else. Same goes to Mediascape.

Are the debugging tools still running in the background?

Posted by Ravager

On 2009-12-16 19:06:11, mediar wrote:
It's laggy whyn you start it and when you go through the tabs ( changing the bricks in Timescape ). As laggy I mean the transitions are not smooth, not something else. Same goes to Mediascape.

Are the debugging tools still running in the background?

Look at the belgian vid, when he's playing around with the phone. Changing tabs here for me looks smooth, what concerns me is that it doesn't always respond to the screen tap. For example when playing songs he taps on a command several times and nothing happens, i've seen this before too. Hope they get it fixed, unfortunately Sony Ericsson is cutting back on the software side, this summer 450 ppl will be laid off from work here in Lund.

Posted by moogoo
Awesome. New Android add-on for the X10 in the SDK.

The add-on contains:

* Sony Ericsson splash screen
* X10 colour backgrounds
* A �skin� of the X10 which is a simple graphic of the front of the phone
* A hardware.ini file to set the operating parameters for screen, camera, audio and so on.

from here

Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2009-12-16 19:44:47, Ravager wrote:

And with

record for poor sw development THAT is not encouraging... unless of course they finaly found out who cant write decent code

Posted by volume100
You just had to say that, didn't ya?

Posted by titus1

On 2009-12-16 23:51:55, volume100 wrote:
You just had to say that, didn't ya?

They just love to litter

Posted by synn

* X10 colour backgrounds

Wait, so we can now get other colors than the default blue for the UI?
Awesomeness

Posted by moogoo
My thoughts exactly Synn.

i have the android SDK .. i just haven't had time to mess around with the add-on. I will give it a try over the weekend.

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-12-17 03:59:34, synn wrote:

* X10 colour backgrounds

Wait, so we can now get other colors than the default blue for the UI?
Awesomeness

Awesomeness.... for changing the color of the backround ?? Yeah... in 2001...maybe

Still waitin for multitouch function and more colors official announcement.Yesterday i had both Satio and iphone 2008 phone in my hands and the speed and touch response of the last one (and older one) was light years ahead..

Posted by synn
Troll elsewhere.

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-12-17 10:58:36, synn wrote:
Troll elsewhere.

Got to love this. If I'm not mistaken, Sealover is one of the very, very few here who has actually seen and used the X10, but you're trying to order him out of the X10 thread for trolling...

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-12-17 10:23 ]

Posted by synn
By the same yardstick, you're one of the many who haven't seen either the X10 or the Google/HTC whatchamaycallits, but your posts always proclaim them as the winners and the X10 as the loser.

Posted by sealover94
just take a look at the competition and you will (i hope so) understand ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnBhsTYDqrc

Milestone's present software is way much better than the x10's !Faster and multitouch even with the menu icons...And SE'S is talking about future possible updates to A2.0 ???

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-12-17 10:58 ]

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-12-17 11:36:48, synn wrote:
By the same yardstick, you're one of the many who haven't seen either the X10 or the Google/HTC whatchamaycallits, but your posts always proclaim them as the winners and the X10 as the loser.

I've been accused of that a couple of times since I first mentioned the Nexus One - actually I never said the X10 was a failure, all I've said was that if Google are pushing the Nexus One as their own branded handset, then it's going to nab a huge amount of the market previously open to the X10. Becuase it will, that's a "no brainer", to borrow someone else's term.

I don't think the X10 is going to be a bad phone, or without its admirers when it eventually hits the market. What I do think is that, typically, SE have given the appearance of being ahead of the game when announcing this phone last month, when in fact they're almost certain to be overtaken by similar or better competing handsets by the time any of this comes to fruition. Whether the "Nexus One" turns out to be the Googlephone or just an early sighting of the HTC Passion/Dragon etc, either way the advantage the X10 appeared to have last month as the "first" Snapdragon-powered, class leading Android phone is ebbing away even as we speak.

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-12-17 10:50 ]

Posted by synn
Different companies have different PR strategies. Nokia likes to announce things early too while Samsung announces things pretty much the day before it's launched. HTC announced the Diamond 2 and touch pro 2 pretty early too, incidentally. Not to forget the original iPhone.

Announcing a product early, releasing teaser/ hands-on impression videos.. it's all part of the game. End of the day, a good product WILL sell no matter what and from what we've seen till date, the X10 looks to be a very good product.

The G1 if you remember, was called the Google phone too and was launched with prominent Google branding. But it had lukewarm sales. Why? Because it was a lukewarm product. The NexuxOne looks way better finished, I'll admit. But The Google name alone won't sell it, trust me.

Sealover: The "Competition" that you speak of is a fancy bootup screen. From a ROM that has already been ported to the Droid and can (And will surely be) ported to the X10 after it's launched. Who's gonna port the X10's camera and sound quality to replace the craptacular HTC options on the NexusOne?

[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-12-17 10:57 ]

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-12-17 11:55:47, synn wrote:

Who's gonna port the X10's sound quality

[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-12-17 10:57 ]

Sound quality of x10??? I've seen x10 in Athens a few weeks ago... please you really don't want to talk about the sound quality...

I hope &wait .. 2 months left...if there are no further delays..

Posted by synn
I'm willing to make a small wager that the retail X10's sound output would be atleast at par with the recent high-end products from SE.

On the other hand, I haven't yet seen a decent camera or heard decent sound output from an HTC product.

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-12-17 11:55:47, synn wrote:
The G1 if you remember, was called the Google phone too and was launched with prominent Google branding. But it had lukewarm sales. Why? Because it was a lukewarm product. The NexuxOne looks way better finished, I'll admit. But The Google name alone won't sell it, trust me.

Disclaimer - all of this is guesswork based on partial information (obviously). But the way I see it, the G1 was a starter model for Android - it had prominent Google branding because it was the public's first introduction to Android and the Google branding would help sell it, but it was also an expressly HTC phone and sold as such. It didn't set the world alight, nor was it meant to - it simply set out Android's stall, to be built on by the better and more interesting handsets that came later on.

The "Nexus One" (note it's not the G2 or any variant thereof) appears to be different - it's the first in a new line. The devices that have been seen carry no HTC branding at all. It's heavily rumoured that the phone will be marketed and sold direct by Google, and Google seem unwilling to deny that. Now put that into the context of the last year's events - Android has NOT seriously threatened the iPhone as yet, the Android appstore hasn't seen the takeup of Apple's (16,000 predominately free apps vs 90,000 predominately paid-for in the iPhone store), Apple and Google have recently separated ties with joint members stepping down from opposing boards etc, iPhone sales remain as strong if not stronger than ever. Many people are denying the possiblity of a true "Google Phone" because it would upset Android's existing partners like SE and Motorola etc, but Google are fighting a war for domination with Apple here, and - in stark contrast to their performance in most other areas of their business - not making serious inroads.

My guess is they've changed tack, and the Nexus One will be a Google product, with the full force of Google behind it, presenting a much stronger proposition to consumers - a single sleek, polished device from a company that's every bit as recognisable as Apple (and let's face it, the G1 was neither sleek nor polished). Ultimately, if it sells like hot cakes, that can only be good for Android partners in the long run as it strengthens the platform as a whole - and if it doesn't, well, if Google can't sell a Google phone who can?

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-12-17 11:34 ]

Posted by Dups!
@synn

Be careful on the sound quality issue. Satio doesn't too good but Aino does sound spectacular.

I am sure you know that already since you own a Satio.

Posted by chenmartin
I hope SE do much better than the previous one.
IF this xperia series failed, than there will be no another xperia series.

All people will claim that xperia is FAILED product.

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-12-17 13:06:07, chenmartin wrote:
I hope SE do much better than the previous one.
IF this xperia series failed, than there will be no another xperia series.

All people will claim that xperia is FAILED product.

It's strange to think that so far, after the brand was first launched with much fanfare in January 2008, here we are at the end of 2009 with only one Xperia phone having actually made it to market (the X1 back in October 2008), only to be dismissed as an "experiment" by SE months later. Neither the X2 or X10 are going to be with us till 2010. I suppose there's the "Pureness", but that's so niche and seemingly unrelated to its counterparts as to seem irrelevant.

Posted by ron.jeremy
What i find really funny is, two people going on and on, on the competition, but the devices you mention, is not the X10 worst.
In fact these haven't been announced yet.
Or mentioned in here!
Pretty funny eh?
Or shall i say, sad?
And poor sealover trying to pretend he know stuff, pathetic!
Sending me treats on pm.

I'm leaving this forum, it's mostly just kids in here, trolling, bs, and very few people/post that actually says anything at all.
I think 5% of the post in this tread are actually worth reading.

To bad.

Posted by se_dude
When was the last time we had any discussions on the X10?
Well, we are talking about Android here.Android is being jointly developed by Sony and SE and top engineers from Sony are haring their outputs with the ones from SE. I am guessing that the final output would be smoother.

And btw, people who are comparing the Milestone with the X10 should compare the vanilla UIs rather than the mods.The Android in vanilla mode, that runs on the Droid if ported to the X10 will run super fast. All videos that exclude the Timescape and mediascape have been blazing fast. And i am sure by the time it releases there wuld be significant speed improvements.

Posted by anonymuser
The Milestone has a slower processor and is quite a different phone generally - I don't see it as a direct competitor to the X10 (not least because it's already available and selling well). The X10 has more to worry about the similarly Snapdragon toting competition that will be coming out on or before it in the new year, such as the Nexus One/Passion/Dragon. However it ends up being marketed, it's clearly a near finished product (the FCC certification proves that) and has a few other advantages on paper.

People keep talking about porting this or that Android 2.0 ROM to the X10 - don't forget the standout features of the X10's ROM are just Android apps that are likely to be much easier to port to virtually any Android phone.

Posted by synn

On 2009-12-17 12:35:00, Dups! wrote:
@synn

Be careful on the sound quality issue. Satio doesn't too good but Aino does sound spectacular.

I am sure you know that already since you own a Satio.

Are you basing this on word of mouth or real world experience?

I play rock/metal/blues on my Satio through some pretty neat headphones and it sounds sweet. The sound separation is as good as my Sansa Fuze.

I wouldn't know anything about hip hop or whatever the cool kids are into these days, however.

Posted by Dups!
I never rely on word of mouth. Had them both side by side and tested them with similar songs (4 songs) and the Aino is brilliant whereas the Satio is, to say the least, dissapointing.

By the way, I am not into 'hip hop or whatever the cool kids are into these days'