Posted by kingcool88
On 2009-12-08 17:19:41, McKinley wrote:
Cut the HTC crap now!!
For the X10, I still want some kind of official press note stating that Android 2.x will find its way to the X10 and not statement from events in Italy and Netherland.
[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2009-12-08 16:21 ]
Mizzle have confirmed the 2.0 upgrade. Rikard said it to him, thats pretty much official....
Posted by take5
Yeah. But the more important question is WHEN!
The guys at SE are surely concentrating all their resources on making the Android 1,6 OS and UX stable and fast until the release. So I suppose the 2.0 upgrade will take its time..
[ This Message was edited by: take5 on 2009-12-08 19:11 ]
Posted by badassmam
@Shepy
No, these are HTC phones. Back to facts and off HTC for the moment.
Not everybody is a tech head. The phone should work straight from the box, some people will take the X10 from the box with Android 1.6 and use it not knowing of any updates at all. The software version may not even bother them as long as it works. Others will have one Satio issue and get it refunded without bothering with updates. You have to think of these people as well, the news of Satio being recalled will make people think twice. You can't tell someone to update their software straight out of the box, that will piss anybody off.
Back to the X10, the latest one that I played with was a lot faster than the first prototypes. I was impressed with the speed improvement on the Scape stuff. This particular one have camera focus problems but I was assured it was software related. The video playback of a full movie was nice. It had minimal lag, those who have used the X2 will know that the processor lets it down here but I was happy with the X10. Its getting better each time I see it.
Posted by McKinley
@badassman
That bode well for the future.
Pray for God the X10 wont be plauged with software issues like Satio and Aino.
Posted by se_dude
For the record, the Aino hasnt had any software issues. It was a media mock up.
Posted by motvikt
thx badassman, love your posts!
Posted by snoFlake
@ se_dude
It's a "media mock-up" in the sense that Sony Ericsson are quoted on Reuters :
Sony Ericsson says smartphone software glitch fixed
"Sony Ericsson UK and Ireland is pleased to confirm that new software is now available for both Satio and Aino (smartphones)," the company, owned by Ericsson (ERICb.ST) and Sony Corp. (6758.T), said in a statement.
"We can confirm this updated software has been approved by UK operators and fixes previous software issues."
"We can confirm this updated software has been approved by UK operators and fixes previous software issues."
In the sense that it's a media prank perpetuated by Sony Ericsson on themselves presumably to eneter into the spirit of the Season and introduce a bit of humour in pre holiday UK sales?
Yes it's always the nasty media (controlled by Eldar) ganging up on poor SE.
Posted by doministry
On 2009-12-08 17:59:04, synn wrote:
Snowflake: I get the point you're putting across. But every high profile handset that has been out in the recent times; say the BB Storm, the N97, the Omnia HD, The Pre and Boinng's right arm have all had issues out of the box and were fixed down the line (More or less). But none received the harsh treatment from the press that they reserved for SE products. That's all I'm saying.
Exactly.
Posted by etaab
Im sorry but i'd disagree. The N97 was slated far worse than SE's products. Even to this day after its fixes if you ask in my local CPW they scream at people not to buy one.
Posted by snoFlake
Dangerous game;the Storm bombed, the N97 bombed, no idea about the Omnia (relative figs) Pre sales were so so but the media loved the Palm comeback story and the candy on the OS and Boinng's right arm has had a couple of problems, I think there was a hiccup with the new Firmware at the 3G launch but, and I'm sure Masseur or any of the guys in the iPhone Thread can correct me here, I think it was fixed in about a week or so from launch. A couple of other firmwares have had reported problems but again I think fixed in about a week or two. If there had been problems on say the scale and duration (4months) of the N97 it'd be plastered all over the media.
Posted by 513
Here is a presentation in France :
Very smooth !
http://www.dailymotion.com/vi[....]icsson-xperia-x10-android_tech
Posted by McKinley
The speed is immense
Posted by titus1
As long as
can deliver what a 1Ghz Snapdragon can do without glitch or hiccups then i guess everyone will be happy getting the X10 even if it only runs on Donut. (Gee, i hope they can deliver)
But you know..what I'm really excited about is how
would use this UI on their upcoming devices. Like on a Walkman phone perhaps.[ This Message was edited by: titus1 on 2009-12-09 03:46 ]
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-12-09 00:38:25, snoFlake wrote:
Dangerous game;the Storm bombed, the N97 bombed, no idea about the Omnia (relative figs) Pre sales were so so but the media loved the Palm comeback story and the candy on the OS and Boinng's right arm has had a couple of problems, I think there was a hiccup with the new Firmware at the 3G launch but, and I'm sure Masseur or any of the guys in the iPhone Thread can correct me here, I think it was fixed in about a week or so from launch. A couple of other firmwares have had reported problems but again I think fixed in about a week or two. If there had been problems on say the scale and duration (4months) of the N97 it'd be plastered all over the media.
+1, exactly. As someone else reminded me recently, probably the worst bug introduced into my "right arm" (aka the iphone) was with the recent 3.1 firmware which caused some phones to go into a deep sleep in standby and not wake up for calls etc. Only a minority were affected, but as you'd expect with anything iphone it was in fact heavily covered by the media at the time - in fact here in the UK it even appeared on Watchdog, a BBC consumer affairs show on primetime TV. The irony was that by the time that report went out, Apple had already fixed it by releasing 3.1.2.
SE are far from the only phone manufacturer to have the spotlight thrown on them over faulty software - both the iPhone and any and every competitor to the iPhone have been under intense scrutiny in the media for the last few years - but if SE are getting a particularly bad press at the moment it's thoroughly deserved. This is a company that's been failing for some time so naturally people look for reasons for that, and one of them is quality control, there's no mistaking that. It didn't start with the Satio or the Aino, but also the C905, K850 (and the rest of the A200 range at the time), P990 (and other UIQ3 phones), all with significant hardware and/or software faults, all causing lots of problems for the likes of CPW and Phones4U, all building up to a point now where retailers are obviously happy to publicly shame SE over continuing problems presumably in the hope that SE may actually take a little more care. This isn't a conspiracy, just some chickens coming home to roost.
Also, not to put too fine a point on it, SE are lying about the Aino. They're playing down all the reports of bugs now and implying that the Aino stories were made up, but at the same time, there are numerous official, attributable comments from SE in the original articles confirming that there were problems with the Aino. Either SE got it wrong originally (not the media's fault) or SE are fibbing about it now - either way, it's all a little pathetic.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-12-09 08:57 ]
Posted by synn
On 2009-12-09 09:51:07, Boinng wrote:
Also, not to put too fine a point on it, SE are lying about the Aino. They're playing down all the reports of bugs now and implying that the Aino stories were made up, but at the same time, there are numerous official, attributable comments from SE in the original articles confirming that there were problems with the Aino. Either SE got it wrong originally (not the media's fault) or SE are fibbing about it now - either way, it's all a little pathetic.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-12-09 08:57 ]
"Today however we received word from a Carphone Warehouse representative that says there are absolutely no issues with the handset whatsoever."
http://www.gsmarena.com/false[....]ed_out_after_all-news-1290.php
Posted by masseur
ok, we've had a little rest for this topic, but I'm getting fed up keeping this topic clean from personal remarks.
you are welcome to respond to posts with contrary opinion/facts etc.
you are also welcome to ignore posts you feel are of no value or interest to you.
You don't have to feel that you MUST reply to a post that you don't like or agree with.
At this stage, for this phone, alot of what anyone says is conjecture, opinion, etc as well as
stated facts and personal bias, and so there will be (is already!) much to discuss and disagree on, but lets keep it clean please.
any further direct personal remarks will result in that member receiving an immediate 1 day ban without warning, so consider the content of your post carefully before clicking submit!
Posted by >500
best post in the thread so far
any new hands on???
Posted by se_dude
The last hands on was pretty slick. Dont you think the homescreen looks a bit meh? A proper theme, a few widgets should add to the beauty. I like the idea of 3 homescreens with widgets.
Posted by PakMan786
here you go
:
http://www.dailymotion.com/vi[....]icsson-xperia-x10-android_tech
Posted by synn
I don't mind paying for "Beautiful widgets". But what I really want in the theme is an option to change the blue to something else. I really, REALLY want a black/ grayscale based look to the existing UI design.
Posted by Legen
On 2009-12-09 14:40:13, synn wrote:
I don't mind paying for "Beautiful widgets". But what I really want in the theme is an option to change the blue to something else. I really, REALLY want a black/ grayscale based look to the existing UI design.
+1. I totally agree. Never used android before tho, does it have themes like other o.s's?
Posted by McKinley
On 2009-12-09 14:40:13, synn wrote:
I don't mind paying for "Beautiful widgets". But what I really want in the theme is an option to change the blue to something else. I really, REALLY want a black/ grayscale based look to the existing UI design.
I think the blue theme suits the white X10, while grayscale based look would suit the black one better.
Posted by Hiron
On 2009-12-09 15:31:06, McKinley wrote:
I think the blue theme suits the white X10, while grayscale based look would suit the black one better.
+1
Black UI is cool for Black XPeria X10:
Hiron
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2009-12-08 17:21:39, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-12-08 17:05:06, se_dude wrote:
Engadget is hearing things there. Nothing official. Its only engadget hyping it up. This thing is to be announced in MWC.Lets wait and watch.
Who announced that it was going to be announced at MWC? Haven't we had this conversation before? Sorry, but that in itself is hearsay, and I don't take it as any more official than whatever engadget have heard.
How "official" is the February date for the X10? Isn't that all hearsay and hype too?
There is no official acceptance of the February date at
I checked!
Posted by Caspa
I'm also a fan of the 'Black' theme idea... What I have always used on any device...
Posted by juris15
something like this will be awesome!
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2009-12-09 14:12:32, masseur wrote:
ok, we've had a little rest for this topic, but I'm getting fed up keeping this topic clean from personal remarks.
you are welcome to respond to posts with contrary opinion/facts etc.
you are also welcome to ignore posts you feel are of no value or interest to you.
You don't have to feel that you MUST reply to a post that you don't like or agree with.
At this stage, for this phone, alot of what anyone says is conjecture, opinion, etc as well as
stated facts and personal bias, and so there will be (is already!) much to discuss and disagree on, but lets keep it clean please.
any further direct personal remarks will result in that member receiving an immediate 1 day ban without warning, so consider the content of your post carefully before clicking submit!
Here Here to that
Posted by Arne Anka
On 2009-12-09 14:40:13, synn wrote:
I really, REALLY want a black/ grayscale based look to the existing UI design.
How about turning the screen off. Then you get a nice black based theme.
Posted by bider
Another video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LvTc1RtSSM
Have you noticed that in new prototypes, when they change filter in timescape (sliding finger across the screen
) the stack of the events arrives as a wireframe and photos are loading after everything is on place. In previous timescape builds, the "blocks" were arriving already with photos - I think, that's why the new build seems faster...
Posted by mediar
But with 1GHz, the phone should be capable to handle these animations even with the pictures/music/... and play them smoothly.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2009-12-09 14:40:13, synn wrote:
I don't mind paying for "Beautiful widgets". But what I really want in the theme is an option to change the blue to something else. I really, REALLY want a black/ grayscale based look to the existing UI design.
Personally I love a concise home screen. The whole point - imo - of a home screen is the initial start of using the OS; not a 1 stop shop of just about every information you need. This follows SE's, Apple's, and BlackBerry's original theme philosophy's.
Time, Date (not day of week/maybe so), Main application or core app functions on the front: Phone, Messaging, Signal type & strength, wlan connection status indication (and strength), and maybe two more listings like upcoming appointment (not the entire weeks'), Alarm countdown maybe(?). Again this is my personal belief.
When traveling I need basic information that I can discern at a very quick glance. Should I need specific details then I'll open up the respective application and dig further. ie. I don't need to see the entire day's appointments if its only 8AM. I just need to see the next appointment (possibly 1 after that; so 9AM & the 10:30AM appointment). Seeing the 3PM appointment at 8AM just adds clutter and really offers me no good (anything from 9AM appointment needed for the 3PM will be listed in the 9AM not the 3PM solely there). Even seeing if a new appointment I'm going to make anyway would conflict with an existing one - I'll just need to go into the Calendar and make a new appointment or adjust a time schedule that would fit anyway manually. It's not going to happen all by itself just cause its all listed on the home screen.
Now having 3 homescreens spreads out the whole plate in specific settings. Just don't forget that it was Nokia's E-Series (E66/E71) that debuted more than 1 homescreen direct from manufacturer back in Spring '08. The HTC Dream, released on 22 October 2008.
Considering
has only joined the OHA on 9 December 2008, and announced a phone less than 1yr after joining while HTC had more than 1 year to announce and deliver their "Dream" I'd say has done a FANTASTIC job!! Personally I didn't even want an Android device, not even in the slightest, but with X10 I've taken a long look at it.
The ONLY part that bothers me is the company behind it all = Google, and no allowance for using Yahoo Search (that I know of) so its not fully open. I don't want my searches, email, web browsing habits, and contacts all archived and used at Google's will & choice. Sure those are already archived but NOT with my SIM card which is tied to my providers account, and with my personal address!!
[ This Message was edited by: Prom1 on 2009-12-09 20:38 ]
Posted by bider
On 2009-12-09 20:56:23, mediar wrote:
But with 1GHz, the phone should be capable to handle these animations even with the pictures/music/... and play them smoothly.
It reminds me a bit the story of P1i. There were lags when scrolling through menus so they have removed the scroll animation in the software update to make it faster. SE optimization methods.
[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2009-12-09 20:40 ]
Posted by Arne Anka
On 2009-12-09 21:37:31, Prom1 wrote:
The ONLY part that bothers me is the company behind it all = Google, and no allowance for using Yahoo Search (that I know of) so its not fully open.
Have a feeling if Android ever get's a dominant position in the mobile market, we will see more of this "non-openes". So better get used to it.
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2009-12-09 21:02 ]
Posted by doministry
Prom1
I like your point about Google dependance!!!
Posted by McKinley
Bah, I read that Google will release Google goggles to other platforms
Posted by clobar
On 2009-12-09 21:39:17, bider wrote:
On 2009-12-09 20:56:23, mediar wrote:
But with 1GHz, the phone should be capable to handle these animations even with the pictures/music/... and play them smoothly.
It reminds me a bit the story of P1i. There were lags when scrolling through menus so they have removed the scroll animation in the software update to make it faster. SE optimization methods.
[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2009-12-09 20:40 ]
Lets hope its just an intermediate fix for demonstration purposes. At least it looks smooth as silk when all picture are loaded and Timescape actually looks ready for launch.
Did any one else notice the location app in that French video. Looks nice and quite usefull, but unfortunately they didn't show more then the first screen.
[ This Message was edited by: clobar on 2009-12-09 22:03 ]
Posted by etaab
@ McKinley - they already have the iPhone version ready.
Posted by McKinley
I shouldn't care too much about that really, because X10 is by far the most interesting phone for the first half of 2010
Posted by snoFlake
@Prom1
+1
Very pertinent privacy concerns with Android/Google, I would be disappointed if ever there were no Open systems, Symbian /Maemo/ Linmo etc just to keep them "honest"
Posted by anonymuser
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Google were broken up fairly soon, they're too dominant in too many areas at the moment, and seemingly intent on leveraging that for all its worth. There are a few reasons why I wouldn't choose an Android phone personally, and the depth of Google's involvement (whichever phone brand you choose) is at least one of them.
Posted by moogoo
On 2009-12-10 17:25:33, Boinng wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Google were broken up fairly soon, they're too dominant in too many areas at the moment, and seemingly intent on leveraging that for all its worth. There are a few reasons why I wouldn't choose an Android phone personally, and the depth of Google's involvement (whichever phone brand you choose) is at least one of them.
Google isn't all that bad. They've got a lot of information on everyone. but they're the one company that has repeatedly refused to give up that information when the government has requested it from them for whatever purposes.
Sure there's privacy issues, but I think the least of our worries is google at the moment. There are bigger fish out there with worse intentions than giving us products to make our lives easier.
[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2009-12-10 17:38 ]
Posted by etaab
I have to admit this has crossed my mind many times since the X10 was announced. We all probably use Google far more these days for many different tasks. Now they've stepping into the mobile phone scene, thats yet another part of our lives they have access to.
Google the new Microsoft ?
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2009-12-10 18:36:36, moogoo wrote:
On 2009-12-10 17:25:33, Boinng wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Google were broken up fairly soon, they're too dominant in too many areas at the moment, and seemingly intent on leveraging that for all its worth. There are a few reasons why I wouldn't choose an Android phone personally, and the depth of Google's involvement (whichever phone brand you choose) is at least one of them.
Google isn't all that bad. They've got a lot of information on everyone. but they're the one company that has repeatedly refused to give up that information when the government has requested it from them for whatever purposes.
Sure there's privacy issues, but I think the least of our worries is google at the moment. There are bigger fish out there with worse intentions than giving us products to make our lives easier.
[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2009-12-10 17:38 ]
you are VERY wrong! Google HAS many times assisted law enforcement and government when asked & pushed! You really need to watch CNN Headline news specifically titled "behind the mind of google"!!
This IS the biggest fish in regards to data on the Internet. AOL, Yahoo, CISCO, even Microsoft doesn't compare to the amount of personal data information on users!!
I thought I was alone in feeling this way with my post above. Sure Android does offer serious compelling features and add
's mix it's beautiful. Apple does restrict browsers and getting much flack for app approvals and developers - the fat rich originals - getting upset of the decision process but their adjusting. But I can choose my search provider within the browser plugin. One can just go to another Internet search providers URL but I'm concerned the underlying code in android sends info back to google.
X10 is an incredible device and Android allows for much customization to manufacturers so hopefully my fears will be I'll thought. 18mths to hold users data which is so tied and stating it's anonymous (bull) is a long time! Up until October Android was not fully open; the radio stack was released then.
Posted by moogoo
you are VERY wrong! Google HAS many times assisted law enforcement and government when asked & pushed! You really need to watch CNN Headline news specifically titled "behind the mind of google"!!
um. obviously as an american corporation they are required to follow the laws in this country. if they are required by the court to give information then they must do so. My point is that they did not just volunteer it, as others do.
Anyway, it's all in the user agreements you ALL agree to when you sign up for an account. Quite frankly, if you don't want your information taken and used, then don't use their products. It's quite simple.
Back on topic...
I look forward to this device! All the rumors about it being available on ATT and Tmobile are interesting but to me, unrealistic. Right now it's estimated to be nearly $800USD when first released. To make it attractive as an option both providers would have to subsidize it down to at least $200 with contract. I highly doubt either of them are willing to flip the bill. I also don't want to see ATT's new data plan requirement for it if it does offer the x10. It's bad enough they're attempting to give incentives for users NOT to use so much data bandwidth on their networks. If they didn't spend all that money trying to sue Verizon for an injunction and paying luke wilson for ridiculous commercials they could have put up some more 3G towers or put it toward the upgrade to LTE...
Posted by sealover94
I was looking at HTC bravo's specs last night and saw all the "missing" specs of x10 : radio,HD recording,AMOLED,dual led,divx support,16gb memory,Android 2.0 in package ...
All these features i was talking about that x10 should have... knowing how the market works after all these years!
Plus any possible delay can make x10 to fail, once again
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-12-11 12:37 ]
Posted by titus1
On 2009-12-11 13:35:32, sealover94 wrote:
I was looking at HTC bravo's specs last night and saw all the "missing" specs of x10 : radio,HD recording,AMOLED,dual led,divx support,16gb memory,Android 2.0 in package ...
All these features i was talking about that x10 should have... knowing how the market works after all these years!
Plus any possible delay can make x10 to fail, once again
Then get the Bravo when it comes out....there, no brainer.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-12-11 14:18:55, titus1 wrote:
Then get the Bravo when it comes out....there, no brainer.
A no brainer. I doubt they're quite so relaxed about it over at SE..
Posted by simonf7
Available for pre-order at Play - http://www.play.com/Mobiles/M[....]808/-/Product.html?source=9316
Si
Posted by juris15
Pre-order. | Due for release on 18/01/2010
[ This Message was edited by: juris15 on 2009-12-11 14:58 ]
Posted by OffLineR
On 2009-12-11 15:28:07, simonf7 wrote:
Available for pre-order at Play - http://www.play.com/Mobiles/M[....]808/-/Product.html?source=9316
Si
I wonder when the white one is going to be available for preorder.