Posted by Caspa
Sense also has similar features to Timescape... You can see all the email, messages, facebook, twitter and call details from an individual contact from one place...
I'm not saying its the same, I'm just saying that there is something comparable...
What I was referring to was the fact that Sense is a whole UI which gives you a massive amount of customisation, whereas Time/Mediascape are just programs...
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-12-07 15:03:16, synn wrote:
http://gizmodo.com/5420423/ht[....]droid-20-phone-passion-delayed
lolol
And from that same article:
Even with the Passion's disappointing delay, it looks like HTC is still owning the Android space
Gizmodo don't seem to think the X10 is even worthy of a mention. Lolol indeed.
Posted by se_dude
Well, the SE has a few nice touches of its own too. the sense looks good, no doubt about that, but comparing it to the SE UI which hasnt shown itself much yet is pretty premature.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Wouldnt it be better to just keep quiet about the UI right up until the phone is released? and not have another hype killer like X1.
Posted by take5
@ Gucci: No, there's to much time to spend till it we finally will be able to hold it in aour hands..
After the initial excitement about timescape and seeing more videos on the interface, I doubt about the day-to-day practicability of it. Like looking at your incoming e-mails, this swiping system doesn't seem clearly laid out (if that's the correct term in English..).i.e. it's much of eye candy but on the cost of functionality.
Sure, I have to test it in my own hand first, and I would LOVE to
, but I think it will be a concern nevertheless..[ This Message was edited by: take5 on 2009-12-07 14:14 ]
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-12-07 15:02:04, se_dude wrote:
If you are so naive that you cant understand anything from the million videos out there, I have nothing much to say.
So you're lecturing me on my naivity in not taking promotional videos at face value, and actually wanting to see the UI in action, in reality, before declaring it beyond compare to anything else on the market. Yes, I certainly do feel naive.
Posted by se_dude
Why is everyone pulling the X1 into it?WM is crap and even acknowledged by Microsoft itself. The guys here who own the X1 love it, who dont, hate it. its a love or hate relationship with the X1, which isnt a case with the X10.
Posted by synn
On 2009-12-07 15:07:16, Boinng wrote:
Gizmodo don't seem to think the X10 is even worthy of a mention. Lolol indeed.
You haven't spent enough time reading Gizmodo then.
So you're lecturing me on my naivity in not taking promotional videos at face value, and actually wanting to see the UI in action, in reality, before declaring it beyond compare to anything else on the market.
No we're amused by your ability to disregard dozens of videos showcasing a product that actually exists and salivate at the HTC vaporware simultaneously.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-12-07 14:16 ]
Posted by se_dude
@take2- You can always switch to contacts which will serve the same purpose as the timescape. The contacts are just a structured form of the Timescape application. So if you hate swiping, just go to the contacts page and select the person you want to know about.As simple as that. And i dont see any grudges with mediascape here. it works real smooth.
Posted by Caspa
On 2009-12-07 15:08:40, se_dude wrote:
Well, the SE has a few nice touches of its own too. the sense looks good, no doubt about that, but comparing it to the SE UI which hasnt shown itself much yet is pretty premature.
It doesnt seem like there is an SE UI - It seems like its just a vanilla Android with Time/Mediascape as programs with a few extra bits from SE (i.e. BT transfer)... If there is more than that from SE you would have thought they would have said already... But we'll see... We can only hope eh?!?
@take2 - I know what you mean mate...
[ This Message was edited by: Caspa on 2009-12-07 14:23 ]
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-12-07 15:14:39, synn wrote:
You haven't spent enough time reading Gizmodo then.
I read the article you linked to, which said that HTC is likely to still own the Android space going forward at Motorola's expense, and didn't even give a passing mention to the X10 in relation to that, even while discussing HTC's own snapdragon-powered device and its release early in the new year. What should I draw from that?
No we're amused by your ability to disregard dozens of videos showcasing a product that actually exists and salivate at the HTC vaporware simultaneously.
Where do you get that I'm "salivating" over anything? I'm no HTC fan, and I'm not particularly interested in any Android phones as it stands, I'm just injecting a little realism into the claims that the UI on one unreleased phone (in reality just a couple of Android apps) is some kind of second coming that's "beyond compare" with anything else, when all anyone has to go by is a bunch of videos and prototype firmware. As already mentioned, HTC has phones on the market now with similar features, let alone in February - and until it's actually on the shelves, it's the X10 that's still classed as vapourware.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-12-07 14:31 ]
Posted by synn
On 2009-12-07 15:18:57, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-12-07 15:14:39, synn wrote:
You haven't spent enough time reading Gizmodo then.
I read the article you linked to, which said that HTC is likely to still own the Android space going forward at Motorola's expense, and didn't even give a passing mention to the X10 in relation to that, even while discussing HTC's own snapdragon-powered device and its release early in the new year. What should I draw from that?
...that you've just read the one article and have not been following the site regularly. Not to mention that Kat is one of their newer writers with a proven inability to understand the cellphone market outside the US.
There's a search button there. Do you need directions on how to use it?
Posted by se_dude
vanilla?
Posted by Caspa
One thing to note, the handset they are referring to hasnt actually been announced by HTC... So when they say delay its not really an official delay is it?
Also, the two handsets that I referred to are not what is shown in the pic on Gizmondo...
they are actually these two...
Legend
Legend Specs
Bravo
Bravo 2
Bravo Specs
Thanks goes to B3ler3fonte from XDA for these...
As you will notice, neither seem to look like the pic... The most likely one it could be is Legend as that seems to have touch sensitive buttons under the screen...
Bravo which is supposedly 'Passion' actually has tactile keys on it as you can see...
Both have an optical mouse rather than a roller ball which the pic on Gizmondo shows...
I wonder whether that is a US carrier version of something?
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-12-07 15:21:21, synn wrote:
...that you've just read the one article and have not been following the site regularly. Not to mention that Kat is one of their newer writers with a proven inability to understand the cellphone market outside the US.
Oh, you don't agree with that writer, that's a shame. How's the weather there?
Posted by synn
On 2009-12-07 15:32:55, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-12-07 15:21:21, synn wrote:
...that you've just read the one article and have not been following the site regularly. Not to mention that Kat is one of their newer writers with a proven inability to understand the cellphone market outside the US.
Oh, you don't agree with that writer, that's a shame. How's the weather there?
Oh you ignore the fact that's posted in the article and is supporting the writer's opinion piece attached after it. SUnny there too?
Oh look, Kat didn't mention the jesusphone as a worthy competitor to the HTC vaporware. That must mean it SUXXOORS!!! lolol.
See, I can use your brand of dumbass-logic too!
Posted by Caspa
@se_dude
Yeah, seen those pics with some programs and widgets on the screen... Are those SE specific ones then? Didnt know whether they were standard Android ones or not...
Posted by se_dude
Well havent seen them in the hero or the galaxy.Vanilla is the Droid. Compare and check.
I suggest you go and have a look around in the SE product blog. you will develop an idea then.
Posted by Caspa
With the Hero people only seem to use the HTC widgets, not the Android ones... Hence not really knowing what the Android widgets are...
From what I have seen on the blog, they simple talk about Android stuff - not SE specific stuff...
Posted by synn
On 2009-12-07 15:49:12, Caspa wrote:
With the Hero people only seem to use the HTC widgets, not the Android ones... Hence not really knowing what the Android widgets are...
From what I have seen on the blog, they simple talk about Android stuff - not SE specific stuff...
"All the homescreens, lockscreen, menus, submenus, notifications areas and internal buttons have been redesign completely by Sony Ericsson. "
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x10-review-423.php
Posted by doministry
On 2009-12-06 19:24:30, sealover94 wrote:
ok guys this is official now..from Sonyericsson Hellas
>Launch of Sonyericsson X2 is set for January
>Cause : wifi software malfunction
Now let's see the X10 new releasing date....
How do you know it's official?
Posted by doministry
On 2009-12-07 15:13:18, se_dude wrote:
Why is everyone pulling the X1 into it?WM is crap and even acknowledged by Microsoft itself. The guys here who own the X1 love it, who dont, hate it. its a love or hate relationship with the X1, which isnt a case with the X10.
Hahaha! It's a crap do some disabled users maybe!
WM beats any platform in functionality, it's just not so candy.
And stop spreading those fake myths. Recent researches say something rather different about WM...
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-12-07 15:43:05, se_dude wrote:
Vanilla is the Droid. Compare and check.
Droid is vanilla 2.0, whereas X10 is 1.6, so they're not going to be the same in any case.
Posted by brazzuka's
The fantastic App Layar 3.0 launched and More Great to see Layar working on the X10
Hi guys nice app with new tools to enable the already more than 1000 active independent content developers to create AR experiences that go far beyond answering the simple ‘where is…?’ question. This new version allows everybody with basic web development skills to create rich immersive experiences that cannot be replicated on a map, in a traditional browser or in a mobile location based application.
Video in youtube Demo of the augmented reality app Layar on Sony Ericsson X10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec4wCFCQwM8
How do you use Layar?
By holding the phone in front of you like a camera, information is displayed on top of the camera display view.
For all points of interest which are displayed on the screen, information is shown at the bottom of the screen.
Features of Layar Reality Browser 2.0:
* Unique layer specific icons/markers
* Featured and Popular section
* Search function
* Add layer to favorites
* Map view and list view
* Enhanced AR view
* Accuracy information
* “Take me There” function
* “Share layer” and “screen shot” function in layar 2.1 update
Via: Layar
Posted by Caspa
@synn
nice one mate... wish SE would show off that more...
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-12-07 16:08:16, doministry wrote:
Hahaha! It's a crap do some disabled users maybe!
Hahaha. Doministry, I get that you REALLY like your mobile phone, but maybe it would be better if you didn't resort to mocking the disabled in order to make your largely unimportant point. Don't you think?
Posted by RedSpiDer
Well spec wise the HTC lineup looks really good, but from my personal point of view the design is a bit dull I really like the Hero but the X10 just looks better, and looking at the leaked pictures HTC didn`t really change the design of their devices.
That`s a really cool app(Layar)
.... especially if the user can really customize and extend the content.
In my personal opinion the Timescape app from SE is kindave the same as the HTC Sense UI ,just more eyecandy. I mean it has a "home screen" that shows all the recent activities and then you have a recent call tab,an sms tab, an e-mail tab and so on ,just as the HTC UI.
And if you really want the HTC UI on the X10 somebody will probably port it to the device just like they did with the X1.
Posted by Caspa
Yeah, thats what I meant about Timescape too... Its similar in its function to parts of Sense UI, all communication with Person X is in one place, you just look towards that person and you have SMS, Email, Facebook etc...
The HTC specs do look good - processor, screen, optical mouse etc all look good... Its hard to tell what those devices really look like due to the poor scanned images... But they do look minimilistic... I quite like that look personally... The direct Hero successor (Legend) looks like a Hero, just sleeker - if it aint broke, why fix it I say... Not sure which one I prefer... Cant see the Bravo cleary enough, but it looks quite sleek with rounded edges and I definately like the dimensions of both of them... Looking forward to these being fully announced so we can really see what they look like...
Now, back to the X10...
I would really love to hold one, see what it feels like in the hand (got relatively small hands)... It really is a thing of beauty which is what we expect from SE... They definately know how to make good looking devices... Just not sure if its a bit to big for me personally, but need to see it in the flesh...
Posted by juris15
X10 Milan Event
[ This Message was edited by: juris15 on 2009-12-07 22:47 ]
Posted by doministry
On 2009-12-07 22:01:37, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-12-07 16:08:16, doministry wrote:
Hahaha! It's a crap do some disabled users maybe!
Hahaha. Doministry, I get that you REALLY like your mobile phone, but maybe it would be better if you didn't resort to mocking the disabled in order to make your largely unimportant point. Don't you think?
Maybe unimportant for you but it's maybe just you.
Or rather different from a "trend".
But your personal attempts towards my person do not touch me really.
It's rather the amount of some comparative articles I've read about platforms
which matters here,
clearly showing how untrue are these OS myths regarding WM and other mobile OSes.
Posted by Caspa
BGR - Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 heading to AT&T and T-Mobile?
Posted by se_dude
The bravo lacks seriously in the imaging department with a 5 mp camera which shall falter in front of the 8 mp by SE. So it gets a headstart there. Also, timscape is not only about emails and smses. You shall also have the pictures of the person you have taken using the phones camera making use of the automatic face recognition.Timescape is also about u. it shall remember all the photos you viewed, the music you listened to, the applications you opened, all under the flick of a finger.
Posted by synn
Timescape is also open, which means that a developer can program additional modules for it if he wants to. Like a myspace tab, for example.
It's a nice way to be in touch without going into a different app each time. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by Caspa
Better pics of the Bravo...
Bravo for HTC Bravo
HTC Bravo pictured more lucidly (Update: coming to US in January as HTC Passion)
Very minimilistic as it appeared it the other shots, with the much clearer shot I still like it... But its definately not a real looker like the X10 is!
Like I said before, I think that 2010 will really be the year for Android and therefore for us Android users (or soon to be!)... The more phones with it out, the more manufacturers using it - better for all of us...
Posted by badassmam
The HTC Bravo is inferior to the X10 but look at the bigger picture, X10 is the only Android and the rest from
will be released much later in 2010. HTC have many products, the Android phones with keyboards are particularly impressive because its making Android more accessible to different markets. Its business at the end of the day. Also, stop bashing HTC. They have a foothold in the market, X10 looks to have quite a fan club but its sales that count. Things can turn ugly very quickly like Satio. Besides, these are the weaker devices from HTC. Watch out for Star and Superstar and the new UI. We should all wait for MWC, X10 will be there but it will be nice to see what the competition are up to. aren't the only company doing high end Android.
Posted by Legen
On 2009-12-08 15:19:23, badassmam wrote:
The HTC Bravo is inferior to the X10 but look at the bigger picture, X10 is the only Android and the rest from
will be released much later in 2010. HTC have many products, the Android phones with keyboards are particularly impressive because its making Android more accessible to different markets. Its business at the end of the day. Also, stop bashing HTC. They have a foothold in the market, X10 looks to have quite a fan club but its sales that count. Things can turn ugly very quickly like Satio. Besides, these are the weaker devices from HTC. Watch out for Star and Superstar and the new UI. We should all wait for MWC, X10 will be there but it will be nice to see what the competition are up to. aren't the only company doing high end Android.
tell us more about Star and Superstar. please!!!?
Posted by se_dude
Arent SE planning a kickass device too for MWC?
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2009-12-08 15:19:23, badassmam wrote:
The HTC Bravo is inferior to the X10 but look at the bigger picture, X10 is the only Android and the rest from
will be released much later in 2010. HTC have many products, the Android phones with keyboards are particularly impressive because its making Android more accessible to different markets. Its business at the end of the day. Also, stop bashing HTC. They have a foothold in the market, X10 looks to have quite a fan club but its sales that count. Things can turn ugly very quickly like Satio. Besides, these are the weaker devices from HTC. Watch out for Star and Superstar and the new UI. We should all wait for MWC, X10 will be there but it will be nice to see what the competition are up to. aren't the only company doing high end Android.
+1 EXACTLY you'd swear going by some of the comments in this thread that its the best thing out there. On paper the X10 maybe better but in the real world HTC have had plenty experience with Android and the Bravo could offer a far better user experience even if it has inferior internal hardware. HTC Hero vs. Palm Pre and or HTC Hero vs. Satio i think shows that. HTC have done an outstanding job,and SE has some major catching up to do,IMO.
Posted by synn
Nobody's saying that HTC phones are crap. On the other hand, it's funny to see people writing off SE's efforts even before they take off. As for discussing the finer points of the X10 in detail, isn't that what this thread is for? Or am I in the HTC thread by mistake?
Don't get why people are bashing the Satio either. I happen to have one and it's perfectly usable for my productivity AND entertainment needs. Much more so than ANY Android set I can buy today. And Unlike the SE of yore, firmware updates for new products are coming out on a Nokia -like fashion and that's a good thing.
Speaking of Nokia, I can name countless sets by them that needed frequent updates in the first few months after launch to make the devices usable. Of course, a Media circus cannot be created around them like it's done with SE products.
Sad, innit?
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-12-08 15:51 ]
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-12-08 15:17:21, Caspa wrote:
HTC Bravo pictured more lucidly (Update: coming to US in January as HTC Passion)
So... that would be an HTC Snapdragon-powered Android phone coming out in January then? Beating the X10 to the punch in at least one major market?
Posted by se_dude
Engadget is hearing things there. Nothing official. Its only engadget hyping it up. This thing is to be announced in MWC.Lets wait and watch.
Posted by McKinley
Cut the HTC crap now!!
For the X10, I still want some kind of official press note stating that Android 2.x will find its way to the X10 and not statement from events in Italy and Netherland.
[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2009-12-08 16:21 ]
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-12-08 17:05:06, se_dude wrote:
Engadget is hearing things there. Nothing official. Its only engadget hyping it up. This thing is to be announced in MWC.Lets wait and watch.
Who announced that it was going to be announced at MWC? Haven't we had this conversation before? Sorry, but that in itself is hearsay, and I don't take it as any more official than whatever engadget have heard.
How "official" is the February date for the X10? Isn't that all hearsay and hype too?
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2009-12-08 16:50:55, synn wrote:
Nobody's saying that HTC phones are crap. On the other hand, it's funny to see people writing off SE's efforts even before they take off. As for discussing the finer points of the X10 in detail, isn't that what this thread is for? Or am I in the HTC thread by mistake?
Don't get why people are bashing the Satio either. I happen to have one and it's perfectly usable for my productivity AND entertainment needs. Much more so than ANY Android set I can buy today. And Unlike the SE of yore, firmware updates for new products are coming out on a Nokia -like fashion and that's a good thing.
Speaking of Nokia, I can name countless sets by them that needed frequent updates in the first few months after launch to make the devices usable. Of course, a Media circus cannot be created around them like it's done with SE products.
Sad, innit?
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-12-08 15:51 ]
Not bashing Satio, i did mention the Palm Pre to you know,im simply pointing out that no matter how "state of the art" the hardware is,it boils down to the software, so we cant just simply start saying this is inferior to that. Thought i was being as neutral as one can be around here,guess not.
Posted by synn
Boinng: Haven't WE had this conversation before?
Hearsay about an announced, existing product that's doing the rounds across the world > Hearsay about vaporware.
Now go start a new thread elsewhere for exhibiting your newfound HTC love and leave this thread alone.
On 2009-12-08 17:28:56, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Thought i was being as neutral as one can be around here,guess not.
That wasn't really aimed at you, man. It was a collective statement. Your'e one of the level headed ones around here.
Still maintain that on a daily basis, the Satio is a more productive device than the hero though.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-12-08 16:33 ]
Posted by snoFlake
@ synn
I rather think that Nokia did (deservedly) get a thorough maulling for the shambles that was the N97 at launch and for the way the susbsequent Firmware updates to address it's multiple issues were handled (dismally).
See Guardian article for mainsteam media and search any Tech Blog/Review Site including such Fan sites as Nokia Users and The Nokia Blog for the slating given out to the N97, even AAS were pretty harsh on it eventually.
So rather than standard "Everyone's down on Sony Ericsson" paranoia consider why this has happened
1) Poor SE quality control for P990, K850 and several other recent handsets and their poor support of their smartphone ranges generally which has caused retailers to be more cautious when dealing with SE phones and possible issues.
2) More importantly still as Smartphones have entered wider/broad market adoption the myriad of faults that some fanbois would accept in an undeveloped market will no longer be tolerated in a wider mature marketplace. Whether some like or can accept it or not Apple have established a new perception of reliability and stability that the public and hence the media are expect in mainstream devices. It is up to other manufacturers either to wait for Apple to trip up or show that they can exceed those standards. Some niche devices that are such obvious works in progress such as the N900 will be given extra latitude because they are so obviously for enthusiasts (I suspaect that Nokia would have prefered the N900 to have been slightly less successful or have received quite so much coverage as they know it's not quite ready for broad adoption).
With the X10 if other manufacturers have got stable Android 2.0 machines in the market SE will have to get their shell applications right first time. The Satio got blasted along with the N97 and to a lesser extent the N97 mini (cos most of the early bugs were addressed) because they didn't work out of the box - it's a new world order. If that is SE want to compete in the mainstream.
I sicerely trust that they can but until it's released it's not proven.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-12-08 17:31:07, synn wrote:
Hearsay about an announced, existing product that's doing the rounds across the world > Hearsay about vaporware.
From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
Main Entry: va·por·ware
Pronunciation: \\ˈvā-pər-ˌwer\\
Function: noun
Date: 1984
: a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
Pronunciation: \\ˈvā-pər-ˌwer\\
Function: noun
Date: 1984
: a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
You do understand that can be equally and easily applied to the X10, right? In fact, the X10's high profile months ahead of any (as yet officially unspecified) release actually makes it far more in keeping with the spirit of the term.
The HTC Passion/Bravo etc has, by contrast, not been heavily advertised or promised to anyone, the news about it has come only through leaks, but then in HTC's case we're talking about an obvious evolution of that company's existing line of Android phones, from manufacturer that already has Snapdragon based hardware on the market. Not quite such an impossible dream, is it?
Posted by Tsepz_GP
oh,my bad Synn, i apologise. I havent had much experience with a Satio il take your word for it,i was just pointing out that though the Hero has an old ARM11 MSM Qualcomm CPU, it does give devices like Satio with its A8 Cortex a run for their money, thats what impresses me about it. If i had a choice id take Satio anyday, but i realy am impressed by Hero.
X10 is quite a machine, i just hope people arent putting their hopes up for it to be disappointed when its out,it is their 1st Android with a whole new UI etc. . . .makes me nervous,just want to wait and see what happens before i say anything else other than it looks good.
Posted by synn
Snowflake: I get the point you're putting across. But every high profile handset that has been out in the recent times; say the BB Storm, the N97, the Omnia HD, The Pre and Boinng's right arm have all had issues out of the box and were fixed down the line (More or less). But none received the harsh treatment from the press that they reserved for SE products. That's all I'm saying.
For example, the N86 was withdrawn by CPW a few months back just like the Satio (A CPW employee confirmed as much at MR), but nobody mentioned this. What gives?
The HTC Passion/Bravo etc has, by contrast, not been heavily advertised or promised to anyone, the news about it has come only through leaks, but then in HTC's case we're talking about an obvious evolution of that company's existing line of Android phones, from manufacturer that already has Snapdragon based hardware on the market. Not quite such an impossible dream, is it?
Adorable.
Wake me up when your "obvious evolution" gets an official announcement, hands-on videos and a dedicated launch blog by the company itself that gives updates on it on a regular basis. For starters.
Until then, I'll hang on to the "Other" vaporware. You know, the one that the sane ones amongst us have agreed would be in the showrooms soon. Why don't you stop posting in this thread if you have nothing to contribute about it? I'm sure some HTC thread out there is waiting for your precious inputs.
Gucci: No worries.
Posted by shepy
Star & Superstar? Are that Codenames SE-Products?