Sony Ericsson X10 Official Thread

Posted by Hiron
i thought vanilla android is java se, not j2me so we cant install any java games.. can you confirm that quadrapop above is j2me? if that true, seems se had implemented j2me emulator just like they did with x1

Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2009-12-05 06:05:54, titus1 wrote:

On 2009-12-04 21:52:57, Nitro Fan wrote:
Hi Laffen and P910 I realise it is a proto!
But it was the same story with the X1 it was as slow as hell and I was slated then for daring to suggest it was slow, however I was proven right with the retail models! I know I had one for 7 days! Sorry but

are not good at SW development or testing.

Dont be so protective of

they are big boys and girls and can look after themselves!
Unless WE the so called ":es: enthusiasts" point out what is wrong who the hell else will bother? No one
As for my criticizing Prototypes one thing is for certain, I run my own business's and have had reasonable sized development teams working for me in the past so I do know a little about SW development! if all you do is praise mediocrity and ignore faults all that will be guaranteed is a big fat FAILURE.

I loved

in the early days and in some kind of way still do, the t68 was a revelation as was the p800 I have owned most of the top end units BUT

are not getting one penny more of my mnoney until they learn some lessons about, Customer Service, SW, testing SW and quality control and I will continue to complain about what I see as going wrong in the faint hope

will take at least some notice!

The stuff I designed and moaned at developers until they got it good enough for me, is still making the shareholders good money.............. Sony Ericsson are losing Millions and still stumbling from one PR disaster to another P990 & Satio are just two examples my network T-Mobile wouldn't even consider the P1 after the P990 debacle.

IF

are serious about Smart phones then they have a clear benchmark to aim at its called an iPhone (And I have been one of its biggest critics!) BUT Apple are getting it right.

I dont want an iPhone, I want an X10, BUT only one that is done right

[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2009-12-04 20:57 ]

If that's how you look at X10 or

in general, the only sensible thing for you to do is to part ways with this phone maker. Why cling into something that you don't believe anymore. It's pointless, move on, never look back. That easy and you're life will be stress-free.

I am no sure which part of my post you do not understand? As I stated very clearly I do like

but I will not simply accept rubbish because that is what they feel we should accept!

Posted by titus1

I am no sure which part of my post you do not understand? As I stated very clearly I do like

but I will not simply accept rubbish because that is what they feel we should accept!

See my friend? You're already are stressed. Why don't you just push the button and give it a rest.

Posted by juris15
new video from milan event

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i7xm3CkVXk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2GjDqAgpCk

at 8.41mins it says:
X10 includes Android 1.6; Will it be upgradable to Android 2.0? YESSS!!
-...and this is surely important...X10 is a product that will provide an upgrade...
-scheduled for?
-we don't still have the time...the definite time...

[ This Message was edited by: juris15 on 2009-12-05 17:47 ]

Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2009-12-05 16:24:35, titus1 wrote:

I am no sure which part of my post you do not understand? As I stated very clearly I do like

but I will not simply accept rubbish because that is what they feel we should accept!

See my friend? You're already are stressed. Why don't you just push the button and give it a rest.

Mate if you dont understand........... don't take it out on me grow up.

Posted by mediar

On 2009-12-05 18:12:51, juris15 wrote:
new video from milan event

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i7xm3CkVXk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2GjDqAgpCk

at 8.41mins it says:
X10 includes Android 1.6; Will it be upgradable to Android 2.0? YESSS!!
-...and this is surely important...X10 is a product that will provide an upgrade...
-scheduled for?
-we don't still have the time...the definite time...

The speed is incredible! This prototype is the fastest we've seen since 3 November up to now.

Posted by hydro-
Ah I have fallen in love with this phone!
And there is no lag in time/media scape now!

Posted by sealover94
I am soooo angry with SE....

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2 to be delayed until January 2010 .............

Ok..i bet 50euros that there will be no x10 till summer 2010...

I am sick of these delays ! (and touchscreen problems of Satio... )

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-12-05 22:29 ]

Posted by Hiron

On 2009-12-05 23:27:45, sealover94 wrote:
I am soooo angry with SE....

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2 to be delayed until January 2010 .............

Ok..i bet 50euros that there will be no x10 till summer 2010...

I thought they had a plan to release it on February at MWC?

If I'm not mistaken, then January 2010 means that it would be faster, isn't it?

Hiron

Posted by moogoo

On 2009-12-05 20:50:40, mediar wrote:

The speed is incredible! This prototype is the fastest we've seen since 3 November up to now.

YES!! it looks awesome!!!!

Posted by OffLineR
@ron.jeremy
You are wrong.

Delay of X2 is going to have direct impact on X10's release date.
I hope it won't. Fingers crossed.

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-12-06 00:49:56, OffLineR wrote:
@ron.jeremy
You are wrong.

Delay of X2 is going to have direct impact on X10's release date.
I hope it won't. Fingers crossed.

Thanks @OL

Seems like some kids here can't understand what does this mean for x10's releasing schedule...

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-12-06 00:21 ]

Posted by titus1

On 2009-12-06 01:20:50, sealover94 wrote:

On 2009-12-06 00:49:56, OffLineR wrote:
@ron.jeremy
You are wrong.

Delay of X2 is going to have direct impact on X10's release date.
I hope it won't. Fingers crossed.

Thanks @OL

Seems like some kids here can't understand what does this mean for x10's releasing schedule...

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-12-06 00:21 ]

It's not our problem...it's

's. Don't get it much into your system cause it's not healthy.

[ This Message was edited by: titus1 on 2009-12-06 02:42 ]

Posted by synn

On 2009-12-06 00:49:56, OffLineR wrote:

Delay of X2 is going to have direct impact on X10's release date.

I do not have a degree in logistics and marketing, so could you please explain why? I mean, only the best analysts on the internet could successfully explain how two very different products, running on different platforms and developed by separate teams within the organization could affect each other's launch dates, right?

Posted by mediar
At first

told us that X2 will be released two months after its announce in september, and everyone got excited, because this could be the fastest release of a

phone. Then they delayed it with one month, now with one month more and... they destroyed everything again.

They can't wait until MWC. That's 6 months from announce to release, more than Satio ( June - October ).

And HTC are breathing in their neck. C'mon SE, don't make the same mistake again!

This time I get sealovers point.

[ This Message was edited by: mediar on 2009-12-06 06:41 ]

Posted by >500
satio, yari and aino were on time. just cos x2 is delayed (well it still may come in dec when it was due to release, correct?) doesnt mean the x10 will be.

@sealover
what touch screen problems does satio have exactly.

anyway... lets stick on topic shall we...

again with the new videos, UI speed keeps getting better.

Posted by se_dude
x2 is delayed only for vodafone.Its available sim free. A guy in xda is already playing with it.

Posted by OffLineR
@synn

doesn't want to release them both at the same time.
More or less x2 and x10 has a common market share.
That's why

wanted to release x2 months ago.
I'm telling you if

is going to release X2 on January than X10's release will be delayed.

Posted by synn

On 2009-12-06 09:03:56, OffLineR wrote:
@synn

doesn't want to release them both at the same time.

Any official sources you can point to assure that this opinion of yours is a fact?

More or less x2 and x10 has a common market share.

One is a WinMo set with a full QWERTY. The other is Android, full touch. Going by the same yardstick, why do HTC hae a TP2 and a Hero? Or Samsung an OmniaPro and a Galaxy Spica?

That's why

wanted to release x2 months ago.
I'm telling you if

is going to release X2 on January than X10's release will be delayed.

Again, opinion. Not fact.

Posted by OffLineR
My bad.
They all are my opinion.

[ This Message was edited by: OffLineR on 2009-12-06 08:45 ]

Posted by LRI

On 2009-12-05 23:27:45, sealover94 wrote:
I am soooo angry with SE....

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2 to be delayed until January 2010 .............

Ok..i bet 50euros that there will be no x10 till summer 2010...

I am sick of these delays ! (and touchscreen problems of Satio... )

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-12-05 22:29 ]

I'll take that bet, so summer starts?

Posted by McKinley
Give me the phone NOW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec4wCFCQwM8

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-12-06 15:10:46, McKinley wrote:
Give me the phone NOW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec4wCFCQwM8

Oh i wanted to @McKinley but i am afraid we have to wait till q2 ....

Posted by McKinley
Q2? What now?

Posted by OffLineR

On 2009-12-06 15:26:11, sealover94 wrote:

On 2009-12-06 15:10:46, McKinley wrote:
Give me the phone NOW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec4wCFCQwM8

Oh i wanted to @McKinley but i am afraid we have to wait till q2 ....

That's what Sony Ericsson Turkiye told me. It is going to available in Turkey at q2

Posted by my ninja
im pretty sure the x2 is shipping, and that the delay is with a carrier, not necessarily the phone itself unlocked. and yes devices on the same table (high end) usually eat away at each others "middle of the road demographic" meaning that there are winmo ppl who regardless will get it, and android ppl who will regardless pick up the x10 but the ppl who dont know, will go with whatever is avail when their contract is up. the thing is verizon is doing a hell of a job advertising the android over the iphone here in the usa, so it would stand to reason that SE would ride the coattails a bit and work off the trail the big V is setting.

i dont know they would have a LOT of questions to answer if the phone isnt out by MWC, cuz their next wave of announcements should be then too. then need to step it up!!!

Posted by sealover94
ok guys this is official now..from Sonyericsson Hellas

>Launch of Sonyericsson X2 is set for January
>Cause : wifi software malfunction

Now let's see the X10 new releasing date....

Posted by djin

On 2009-12-05 23:27:45, sealover94 wrote:
I am soooo angry with SE....

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2 to be delayed until January 2010 .............

Ok..i bet 50euros that there will be no x10 till summer 2010...

I am sick of these delays ! (and touchscreen problems of Satio... )

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-12-05 22:29 ]

But i have seen x2 in orlando, usa, for 850$ :s...

Posted by kingcool88

On 2009-12-06 19:24:30, sealover94 wrote:
ok guys this is official now..from Sonyericsson Hellas

>Launch of Sonyericsson X2 is set for January
>Cause : wifi software malfunction

Now let's see the X10 new releasing date....

SW update coming soon for X2: http://se-blog.com/new-satio-[....]t-aino-x2-updates-coming-soon/
Weird move by SE to release a SW update for a phone that is not yet released...

Posted by McKinley
They have been doing too many irrational things lately

Posted by brazzuka's
Xperia X10 Headed to T-Mobile After All or another Variant?

The boys of the androidguys website had an android news across some interesting news come across our desk regarding the Xperia X10 from Sony Ericsson. The much lusted-after handset with the top-dollar price tag is due sometime in the next 2 months. While most sites (including us) had the phone pegged as headed for AT&T, the document we have says that�s only half true.
Via: androidguys
Via: SEInsider

Posted by XPHCTOC
To badassman: Is the HTC Bravo the x10 competitor you were talking about?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595648
It has a snapdragon processor, dvix support, HD videorecording and it will arrive in april...

Posted by Mizzle

On 2009-12-06 23:04:25, kingcool88 wrote:

On 2009-12-06 19:24:30, sealover94 wrote:
ok guys this is official now..from Sonyericsson Hellas

>Launch of Sonyericsson X2 is set for January
>Cause : wifi software malfunction

Now let's see the X10 new releasing date....

SW update coming soon for X2: http://se-blog.com/new-satio-[....]t-aino-x2-updates-coming-soon/
Weird move by SE to release a SW update for a phone that is not yet released...

The X2 is out in some markets. That's why they're doing that.

Posted by clobar

On 2009-12-07 01:17:35, XPHCTOC wrote:
To badassman: Is the HTC Bravo the x10 competitor you were talking about?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595648
It has a snapdragon processor, dvix support, HD videorecording and it will arrive in april...

I guess it is. doesn't look too impressive compared to X10 imo. It wont arrive until April, the specs are about the same and the looks doesn't impress either, rather quite boring.

Posted by Tejstar

On 2009-12-07 07:12:04, clobar wrote:
I guess it is. doesn't look too impressive compared to X10 imo. It wont arrive until April, the specs are about the same and the looks doesn't impress either, rather quite boring.

Really? The 3.7-inch OLED screen, 720p HD video capture plus divx support has me very interested...

Posted by S4k1s
Is this thread about the

X10 or is it a general discussion thread?

Posted by OffLineR
It is about X10 but because X10 is

's first android device we discuss almost evertyhing related to that.

Posted by sealover94
more samples

focus problem is obvious (i don't know the reason...)

contrast is very nice

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-12-07 10:10 ]

Posted by anonymuser

Probably about the time the X10 will actually be in shops then. Even if you take "February" for real, for SE that's going to mean end of Feb when some very limited early stock will begin to filter out, which is only one month ahead of the start of April..

Remember, HTC announce and release like that, from press release to volume numbers within a few weeks, not with six months of previews like SE.

Posted by motvikt
lol HTC is that all you got? From what I heard from the rumours I expected something ALOT more than this and a release before christmas

Hah looks like SE will be on the top spec-wise atleast for a while

Posted by anonymuser
No, sorry, it's not all HTC's got, nor was it ever likely to be.

HTC's next-gen Android flagship phone to debut Feb 2010 - http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/07/htc_hero_2_mwc/

The Reg are saying this is the Hero 2 which may or may not ALSO be based on the 1Ghz Snapdragon. Of course for all we know this is actually the "Bravo" and the XDA link to an April release is just duff/out of date info.

These are very competitive Android waters that SE is about to leap into - don't imagine for a moment that they have much of a lead on anyone, just because they've made a big deal of announcing their product early.

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-12-07 12:10 ]

Posted by MyP910
what happened to HTC ? I thought they are able to release the phone much earlier ?... hmmm SE has done a good job to release the phone by February.

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-12-07 13:24:32, MyP910 wrote:
what happened to HTC ? I thought they are able to release the phone much earlier ?... hmmm SE has done a good job to release the phone by February.

I hate to break this to you, but SE haven't released anything yet. Meanwhile, HTC already have competing Android products on the market, and will be releasing another either in or soon after February themselves.

Posted by se_dude
Sorry for breaking this to you, but the X10 is coming to stores this february and before the Bravo is even launched.And it will obviously be better in the imaging department given HTCs past history of hardware faults and pathetic algorithms.

Posted by MyP910

On 2009-12-07 13:42:48, Boinng wrote:

On 2009-12-07 13:24:32, MyP910 wrote:
what happened to HTC ? I thought they are able to release the phone much earlier ?... hmmm SE has done a good job to release the phone by February.

HTC already have snapdragon phone on the market ?

Posted by Caspa
Until released both are just announcements... Well, the HTC is actually a leak - which will probably release right after announement... But both are NOT RELEASED YET...

Theres no point in saying this is better than that and this will be released then etc... Until it happens its pure speculation as we all know (or should know) how often release dates in the mobile world slip...

Personally I am more interested in the HTC Bravo... HTC may not be the best when it comes to imaging etc but what they have got in HTC Sense is truely amazing and like Boing says, its here right now, on the market with people buying... And has been since about June/July this year, so that means it already has a following, people are talking about it right now and experiencing it right now... and its likely that consumers (who have heard about and maybe played with a friends Hero) will be getting nearer an upgrade or renewal when the Bravo and the Hero update is actually released...

Considering that the Hero wont even be a year old when it has a couple of new models along side it is pretty good to be honest... If you look at the info over at XDA's, you'll see that there are a coule upgrades to the Hero - one being a direct upgrade even in looks (with 600mhz processor) and the other is the Bravo...

I really want the X10 to be a success, but you cannot deny the competition... I have to get a new business line in January, what will I be getting? ... I want an Android handset so its gonna be a HTC Hero as its available and by that time may already have the 2.1 upgrade!!! (if I could wait I would wait for the Bravo - this is because of HTC Sense which seems to be a better and more complete proposition when compared to Time/Mediascape)...

SE really need to deliver on the X10, they are now entering a very competitive Android market... I have no doubt that 2010 is the year for Android, but which manufacturers will make the most of it?

Posted by se_dude
There is no UI in the market which can compare with the timescape/mediascape. Imagine having everything related to a person at the flick of your finger,smses, facebook statuses, tweets and it ha automatic face recognition which recognizes the person in the pic and puts him in his detail list. there are million other things you can do here which makes the timescape a worthwhile experience and not to mention the live updates on networking changes. The mediascape works seamlessly with your online and phone albums and displays them on the same page. Same with youtube. Now whats revolutionary in the sense?

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-12-07 14:45:55, se_dude wrote:
There is no UI in the market which can compare with the timescape/mediascape.

(a) Timescape/mediascape aren't in the market either - these products don't exist yet.
(b) You're trying to evangelise over a UI that you've only seen pictures off, while drawing comparisons to a load of other working UIs that you clearly haven't used either.

Posted by se_dude
If you are so naive that you cant understand anything from the million videos out there, I have nothing much to say.And i have used the hero, in fact, my Uncle owns one of the largest Mobile stores in our city and thus I have access to any mobile in the market.So dont generalize your awkwardness with everyone. The sense has a nice background, but nothing that revolutionizes how people interact. The hero was successful because it did not have competition. Now that its on the verge of having some, we will see.

And btw dont contradict yourself. Since it is not on the market yet, you should not talk(rather crap) about it either.

Posted by synn

On 2009-12-07 11:46:32, Boinng wrote:

Probably about the time the X10 will actually be in shops then. Even if you take "February" for real, for SE that's going to mean end of Feb when some very limited early stock will begin to filter out, which is only one month ahead of the start of April..

Remember, HTC announce and release like that, from press release to volume numbers within a few weeks, not with six months of previews like SE.

http://gizmodo.com/5420423/ht[....]droid-20-phone-passion-delayed

lolol