Posted by synn
lol, that's the best you could come up with? "You can buy the Droid"?
Perhaps then, you should wait till the X10 hits the market to compare its final spec with the Droid. You know, kinda lik how the rest of us with 3 digit IQ scores do.
...and wake me up when your well supported device can juggle 2 balls at one time.
Posted by MyP910
actually I don't mind if X10 is running Android 1.6.... and if later can be updated to 2.0 sure I'll be happy even though I don't know what 2.0 will bring.... as of now, looking at the current stage, X10 is near perfect.
But... one thing for sure, X10 doesn't need an update in order to be able to forward SMS.
Posted by kingcool88
Mizzle just confirmed that there will be an 2.0 update. He heard it from Mr Skogberg today!
Posted by synn
On 2009-11-25 15:55:08, kingcool88 wrote:
Mizzle just confirmed that there will be an 2.0 update. He heard it from Mr Skogberg today!
...and Boinng's & sealover's cohabitated trollcastle in the air comes crashing down with a boom.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-11-25 14:57 ]
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-25 15:45:33, synn wrote:
lol, that's the best you could come up with? "You can buy the Droid"?
You know that's not quite as funny as it sounds, don't you? If you look at all the really successful products on the market today, you'll find one of the main things they all have in common is that they're actually on the market. Until the X10 joins those ranks and actually earns SE a single penny, it's just so much dust in the air, ready to be blown away.
On 2009-11-25 15:57:00, synn wrote:
...and Boinng's & sealover's cohabitated trollcastle in the air comes crashing down with a boom.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-11-25 14:57 ]
Because Mizzle said something?! Don't think so. Sorry, this trollcastle will tumble when SE say something about this directly, not when yet more hearsay gets reported - and you know what, I'll be happy to see it fall, too. I'm as bored as anyone of SE failing, much as you wish it otherwise.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 15:15 ]
Posted by synn
Sure, because your allegations and conspiracy theories hold more weight than something from Rikard Skogberg and Michell Bak, right?
Ok.
Posted by anonymuser
What allegations or conspiracy theories?
Posted by Osmano
Guys....i'm bored......
Posted by synn
On 2009-11-25 16:31:05, Osmano wrote:
Guys....i'm bored......
Much apologies and hope this is cure enough: http://se-blog.com/report-and[....]om-the-local-xperia-x10-event/
Honestly, the X10 IS one of the most desirable pieces of hardware right now.
Posted by Mizzle
On 2009-11-25 16:09:40, Boinng wrote:
Because Mizzle said something?! Don't think so. Sorry, this trollcastle will tumble when SE say something about this directly, not when yet more hearsay gets reported - and you know what, I'll be happy to see it fall, too. I'm as bored as anyone of SE failing, much as you wish it otherwise.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 15:15 ]
That's fine, I'm not forcing you to think otherwise. I'm just saying what he told me when I spoke with him earlier today at a local press conference.
Posted by doministry
On 2009-11-25 16:43:31, Mizzle wrote:
On 2009-11-25 16:09:40, Boinng wrote:
Because Mizzle said something?! Don't think so. Sorry, this trollcastle will tumble when SE say something about this directly, not when yet more hearsay gets reported - and you know what, I'll be happy to see it fall, too. I'm as bored as anyone of SE failing, much as you wish it otherwise.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 15:15 ]
That's fine, I'm not forcing you to think otherwise. I'm just saying what he told me when I spoke with him earlier today at a local press conference.
You don't have to discuss the hyper emotional kid
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-25 16:43:31, Mizzle wrote:
That's fine, I'm not forcing you to think otherwise. I'm just saying what he told me when I spoke with him earlier today at a local press conference.
Great - but do you know why this info is being dripfed at little local events, rather than being put in black and white on the websites etc? I just don't understand why SE can't commit to a more positive roadmap for the device. It all still smacks of "plausible deniability"..
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 16:07 ]
Posted by Mizzle
On 2009-11-25 17:06:27, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-25 16:43:31, Mizzle wrote:
That's fine, I'm not forcing you to think otherwise. I'm just saying what he told me when I spoke with him earlier today at a local press conference.
Great - but do you know why this info is being dripfed at little local events, rather than being put in black and white on the websites etc? I just don't understand why SE can't commit to a more positive roadmap for the device. It all still smacks of "plausible deniability"..
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 16:07 ]
The average user doesn't care whether it's running 1.6 or 2.0, so that's why they're not doing anything about it. Rikard basically said that the user experience is what's important, not the OS, and I have to agree with him on that. Besides, the primary advantages of 2.0 have already been added to the X10 by Sony Ericsson.
Posted by synn
I'm currently taking bets on the number of layers Boinng's tinfoil hat sports. Excellent odds for 27, if I may add!
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-25 17:16:58, synn wrote:
I'm currently taking bets on the number of layers Boinng's tinfoil hat sports. Excellent odds for 27, if I may add!
Hmm. Anyone told you you're a little strange, Synn?
Posted by my ninja
this thread has been very emotional, i havent seen it this way in quite some time! at least SE got something right.
Posted by mediar
From the synn's link:
Oh, by the way. The pricing of the X10 will be roughly the same as the launch price of the Satio. In Denmark that’s about the equivalent of £480.
Isn't that great!
Posted by moogoo
yes it is!
I can afford that
it's been 4 yrs since I've had a new phone. I need one!
Just hope the North American version is out the same time!
Posted by McKinley
It is damn great.
Sony Ericsson have more or less made Android 2.0 redundant.
Almost everything you get with the latest Android will be found in Xperia X10.
Fantastic job Sony Ericsson!
Posted by ron.jeremy
On 2009-11-25 17:15:26, Mizzle wrote:
On 2009-11-25 17:06:27, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-25 16:43:31, Mizzle wrote:
That's fine, I'm not forcing you to think otherwise. I'm just saying what he told me when I spoke with him earlier today at a local press conference.
Great - but do you know why this info is being dripfed at little local events, rather than being put in black and white on the websites etc? I just don't understand why SE can't commit to a more positive roadmap for the device. It all still smacks of "plausible deniability"..
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 16:07 ]
The average user doesn't care whether it's running 1.6 or 2.0, so that's why they're not doing anything about it. Rikard basically said that the user experience is what's important, not the OS, and I have to agree with him on that. Besides, the primary advantages of 2.0 have already been added to the X10 by Sony Ericsson.
I agree with this, it doesn't matter what the OS name is, or what kind of number it's showing, the experience is much more important.
That's why Iphone have done so good.
SEMC have done the most important updates to 2.0 anyway into the donut, leaving out the multitouch, but that's doable imo.
Hopefully SEMC can build upon this in the future, becase it seems to be, at least at this stage, SEMC have gotten i right with the X10.
How do you feel mizz, is it a K750i?
I think it might be?
Your writeup was great, and it seems like you liked it?
Was it anything you didn't like, cam or anything else?
Posted by McKinley
It will be hard to repeat the great success of K750.
The competition is so much harder today but this definitely can be the the recognition Sony Ericsson need.
Posted by TJMonkey15
I think the question is: Will this still be the next K750....when it is released next year?
Posted by etaab
Hell no.
The K750i was a success because it was the first mainstream phone aimed at the mass market with a high quality camera and just as important: expandable memory. The K750i built on what the S700i delivered 12 months prior but all tucked inside a neat little affordable package.
The X10 like previous Xperia handsets is a phone not aimed at the masses. Its a high end phone for the geeks or mobile phone addicts like most people on this forum. It'll be great, but i have no doubts it'll fade into the background against competitors which will be released before or around the same time.
To be honest the more i scour this thread the more it appeals to me. I like the looks, styling, i like the interface and what is apparently possible with it. My main issue is its all a bit deja vu of the P990, and typical of SE. As a company SE are great at what they do, but they dont do what other manufacturers like Nokia do. They never release the perfect handset at that point in time. Theres no such thing as perfection but when a manufacturer releases a handset like the Nokia N95 was back in 2007 for a short time that device includes every feature you feel you could ever want.
Months prior to release, the X10 does not have every feature i want. So therefore in my mind alone the phone is a risky purchase.
Posted by FISKER_Q
You could consider the iPhone just a much a "high-end phone for the geeks or mobile phone addicts" yet it has mainstream appeal.
I'm not certain what SE's goal is here in terms of market, but i'd certainly not write it off yet.
Posted by TJMonkey15
From my observations, the iPhone is a huge success because it has a nice, user-friendly UI, and it is highly subsidized, making it somewhat affordable (at least in the US). To me, it looks like the X10 has an awesome UI, especially once they tweak it and speed up the SE parts of it, but I have no idea what the subsidized price of the phone will be. Us phone geeks are usually pretty willing to shell out a bunch of cash for these high-end phones, but the average Joe iPhone user wants something cheaper. So if the X10 gets picked up by carriers and is seriously subsidized, then I think it could do well. I know in most parts of the world other than North America, it's much more likely for the high-end phones to be picked up by carriers, but for the NAM people, we usually have to pay a premium if we want to have a "cool" phone. I wish people around me cared about their phones more! Then maybe we'd get the cool ones too!
Posted by etaab
I would completely disagree. The iPhone is aimed at the masses, thats why it is so simple in its operation and use. It appeals to anyone who likes all the flashy bells and whistles of its interface and a built in genuine iPod.
The iPhone has been labelled a smartphone ever since its upgrade came out which allowed third party apps. I on the other hand have realised it is a smartphone now that it has an open OS, but still wouldnt label it a true smartphone. It still lacks basic functions like Bluetooth file transfers. Its ridiculous.
Neither would i agree its a high end phone, it has hardly any hardware features which you would consider high end - low resolution camera (and its lack of hardware aspects such as a lens cover, photo light.. software aspects such as all the customisable options you'd get on a normal cameraphone), poor quality mono-speaker, removable battery, silly sim card holder. On the software side theres so much missing, but the most important one for me is multitasking. How dare Apple call the iPhone a smartphone when you cannot even type a sms message whilst keeping other apps running in the background.
Posted by FISKER_Q
Look, i hate iPhone just as much as the next guy, but there's no denying their hardware, it may not have a top of the line camera, i don't even care for a camera. It did however both include accelerometer and a digital compass in the hardware, pretty early, and honestly the rest isn't even related to their hardware as such.
Posted by chenmartin
http://se-blog.com/report-and[....]om-the-local-xperia-x10-event/
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-25 22:56:58, etaab wrote:
I on the other hand have realised it is a smartphone now that it has an open OS... How dare Apple call the iPhone a smartphone
Huh?
People (like you) call the iPhone a smartphone because it is a smartphone. There is not, and never has been, a hard and fast definition of that term which demands things like multitasking or supporting bluetooth file transfers - it's just a term that can be fairly applied to any phone open to development and use beyond traditional phone functions, which the iPhone platform clearly is - so much so that there exists an iPhone that's not actually an phone at all (the iPod Touch).
Since you've brought it up, the iPhone does multitask - for instance you can have a page loading in Safari in the background while you listen to your ipod and compose an email - the OS is perfectly capable of that. The restriction is simply that third party apps sold through the appstore cannot run in the background, because the SDK ensures they're written that way.
Neither would i agree its a high end phone, it has hardly any hardware features which you would consider high end
Sorry yes, I forgot that it was the Sony Ericsson X10 that first introduced a glass capacitive screen, multitouch, digital compass, accelerometer and proximity sensor...
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-26 07:48 ]
Posted by clobar
On 2009-11-26 08:24:25, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-25 22:56:58, etaab wrote:
I on the other hand have realised it is a smartphone now that it has an open OS... How dare Apple call the iPhone a smartphone
Huh?
People (like you) call the iPhone a smartphone because it is a smartphone. There is not, and never has been, a hard and fast definition of that term which demands things like multitasking or supporting bluetooth file transfers - it's just a term that can be fairly applied to any phone open to development and use beyond traditional phone functions, which the iPhone platform clearly is.
PS - for info, the iPhone does multitask - for instance you can have a page loading in Safari in the background while you listen to your ipod and compose an email - the OS is perfectly capable of that. The restriction is simply that third party apps sold through the appstore cannot run in the background (because they're written that way).
Neither would i agree its a high end phone, it has hardly any hardware features which you would consider high end
Sorry yes, I forgot that it was the Sony Ericsson X10 that first introduced a glass capacitive screen, multitouch, digital compass, accelerometer and proximity sensor...
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-26 07:36 ]
In that case all SE phones are Smartphones, they can run JAVA applications just fine, and do just about everything a iPhone can. On top of that they actually handled multitasking, and have done so for a long time...
Talking about iPhone, here is a size comparison on youtube. I don't understand a word of what he is saying, but it seems that he likes how it feels in his hand.
Posted by bider
Finally nice comparison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFVbEDHMhPk
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-26 08:55:50, clobar wrote:
In that case all SE phones are Smartphones, they can run JAVA applications just fine,
The iPhone, like everything else ever called a smartphone, runs apps in its native OS - meaning apps written for the platform run directly on the phone. JAVA isn't a native OS, just a bolt-on virtual machine.
Posted by mediar
On 2009-11-26 09:01:12, bider wrote:
Finally nice comparison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFVbEDHMhPk
Full article - http://techblog.gr/mobile/xpe[....]s-hd2-vs-omnia-ii-vs-3gs-5211/
This comparison proves that X10 is one of the most beautiful devices in the world.
Posted by synn
On 2009-11-26 10:22:47, Boinng wrote:
On 2009-11-26 08:55:50, clobar wrote:
In that case all SE phones are Smartphones, they can run JAVA applications just fine,
The iPhone, like everything else ever called a smartphone, runs apps in its native OS - meaning apps written for the platform run directly on the phone. JAVA isn't a native OS, just a bolt-on virtual machine.
lol, Java was created for the sole purpose of writing one set of code that can run on any machine irrespective of the OS it's running. Jesusphone on the other hand is not smart enough to generate a turn-by-turn route and some calculations on the, er... calculator at once. Natively programmed or otherwise.
But sure, keep grasping at the straws.
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-26 11:06:46, mediar wrote:
On 2009-11-26 09:01:12, bider wrote:
Finally nice comparison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFVbEDHMhPk
Full article - http://techblog.gr/mobile/xpe[....]s-hd2-vs-omnia-ii-vs-3gs-5211/
This comparison proves that X10 is one of the most beautiful devices in the world.
Yeahhh techblog is the best
He says on the video that the loud speaker is too small and he is not sure that it has a front camera (at least at this prototype).
He also says that it has a very nice design that makes tha phone to fit in your hand
And MADE IN CHINA
I remember the good old days when my P800 was made in FRANCE.....
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-26 10:57 ]
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-11-26 11:18:44, synn wrote:
lol, Java was created for the sole purpose of writing one set of code that can run on any machine irrespective of the OS it's running.
Yes... and? It's not an OS, it's a virtual machine - like I said. Either you believe that pretty much every phone made after 2002(?) is a smartphone, or you discount Java for the limited bolt-on that it is.
Jesusphone on the other hand is not smart enough to generate a turn-by-turn route and some calculations on the, er... calculator at once. Natively programmed or otherwise.
Although in practice it will generate that turn-by-turn route and switch to the calculator and back in probably less time than it takes some "multitasking" phones to complete the same task, while also processing push notifications for other apps (travel alerts for example), and generally being a hell of a lot nicer to use.
But sure, keep grasping at the straws.
Yep, slim pickings indeed.
Posted by Karun
PS3 Remote Play for X10 - A possibility?
Sony Ericsson has hinted that it could launch a "PS3" app similar to that found on the Sony Ericsson Aino handset launched earlier in the year for the Android OS, when the company's new Xperia X10 handset launches in February.
Christopher David, head of developer and partner engagement at Sony Ericsson, said “It makes a lot of sense for it to be on other handsets. It should be expected".
So far, the PS3 app runs on the Aino’s Nexus UX platform, allowing users to access the PS3 from the phone and stream content to their handset from anywhere in the world. The X10 already sports the same DLNA and wireless connectivity as the Aino, plus has a fast 1GHz Snapdragon processor and four-inch screen – all well suited to gamers.
Source:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/29662/ps3-remote-play-for-android
Posted by MyP910
judging from the Techblog video review.... to me, at this moment, X10 design is the most beautiful.
btw, even though X10 has only 65k colour...but from that video, the display quality is the best compared to iphone and HD2. The quality is very significant when he compared the application screen (shortcuts) between X10, iphone and HD2.
I think, in terms of screen quality, SE has done a good job.
Posted by snoFlake
Rather than slagging Apple like a series of scratched records why can't we all speculate on how the other manufacturers could emmulate/counter their success.
After all, dramatically increasing market share, huge proprtion of group think and the largest profits both in absolute and per device terms all based around one device and only one software platform to maintain - looks like they is doing something right - CEO of SE must have wet dreams about being in such a position.
I think the ignorance and blindness of many of the fanbois here has echoed SE's own complacency and short sightedness, they like others failed to spot that the iPhone, it's UI, it's AppStore, the way it was marketed and the way it was upgraded and supported over it's cycle were game changers. Apple understood this and saw that the public were really ready for phones to inerract with the internet and use all those 3G masts the operators paid so much to licence and errect. What they needed was maybe not the smartest of phones but one theat was smart enough for them to customise a bit (but not so much they borked it) offered great access to the web (and it's still pretty much the best browser) and was above all stable, non geek users just want their phone to work and not require a battery pull every half hour - heck I want that.
Yes the iPhone may be not the ultimate phone in any given field (barring profiatbility and sales
) but it's pretty good in most and in the intervening 2+ years since it's launch rather than whining about it how come no one has been able to match/surpass it yet. I think some of the new 'doid 2.0 stuff - Milestone etc. is pretty close, but that took Motorola being so close to disaapearing that they had nothing to lose by chucking all their eggs in one basket and throwing all their resources behind Android. Something that SE have left it too late to do (there will be/are too many producers using Android, can SE compete against Sammie/ Dell/ Lenovo in chucking out handsets? How are theirs going to be different?? - Look at the trouble Sony's Vaio line is in) meanwhile they've been fiddling around with 3/4 OS's and not excelling/ achieving competence in any of them apart from Axxx which is excellent or achieving cost of scale.
SE were among the first if not the 1st mover in touch screens - what did they do with that, Sony were first with personal music players but look what the iPod did to them, heck SE by putting out walkman phones almost forced Apple into the phone business so it really shouldn't have come as a shock. Apple rarely innovate but and it's a whopper they do tie tech together brilliantly so that it can be adopted by the mass market and that's where the cash is. If SE is so innovative nowadays (and I think they or Ericsson were early 2000's) how come they have been unable to respond or seemingly not see that a response was necessary rather than plodding out feature phones. Now thanks to their abandonment of UIQ they have no proprietary smartphone OS to differentiate themselves, they stumble onto WM just as it's market share is crashing (post iPhone people have worked out it's UI is vile) it looks like they may be dropping it before WM7 comes out and now they're joning the stampede onto Android about six months to a year after the herd. It's no way to run a business amd to be honest I'm not sure which way they should turn now they have gotten themselves in such a tangle. I can't see how they will be able to compete on Android, other volume producers are just going to kill them on price. Nokia may be making a balls of their handsets and software but I think at least they see the problem and are trying to navigate a new course with their services offerings (not sure it's going to work tho) but SE just seem to be blundering around trying to catch up with the latest fashion.
Posted by anonymuser
+1 snoflake, +1.
More and more often, the atmosphere in this forum (and around SE in general) reminds me of that much-parodied bunker scene in Downfall. By some of the recent posts in this thread, you'd imagine that the iPhone was still a far-off threat to be crushed by the mighty X10 army, any day now. But you know what? The iPhone's been on the march for two years. It's taken every strategic stronghold already - the public mindshare, the developer support, the sales. Apple are already in Berlin, knocking on the door of the bunker, and the "war" is all but over with nary a single shot fired by SE.
The question now is not how SE can beat the iPhone, but how SE can continue to survive beneath an already utterly dominant iPhone, as just another (expensive) Android option. Multitasking or not.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-26 16:10 ]
Posted by sealover94
Guys Mr.Vlachakis from TECHBLOG.GR in a few hours will upload a new video answering all your questions about the phone.
I ve already asked him about
> oled or tft
>colors
>multitouch
>quality of the plastic cover
>possible update to A2.0
>HD / DIVX capabilities
So if you have any other question please write here as soon as possible! I will translate your questions in greek...!
And we will see the answers in the new video on http://www.techblog.gr
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-26 17:21 ]
Posted by garxman
Ask about the soundquality/level
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-26 17:39:40, garxman wrote:
Ask about the soundquality/level
done
Posted by SEaddict
@sealover94
Questions:
Can I change theme or blue background in Mediascape and Timescape ?
No Radio ? Why not ?
MW600 optional or included??
SAR (Specific Absorption Rate)?
Prise and release ?
Thanks
[ This Message was edited by: SEaddict on 2009-11-26 17:07 ]
Posted by XPHCTOC
Could you ask him to check the actual build version?
Posted by makebelieve
is there Xperia X11 in work?...
Posted by SEaddict
and does X10 have ambient light sensor ?
[ This Message was edited by: SEaddict on 2009-11-26 17:22 ]
Posted by sealover94
OK guys
Now we have to wait for the video
@makebelieve he is a tester not Dr. Emmett Brown
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-26 17:38 ]
Posted by makebelieve
of course X11 is in work...
Posted by mediar
@sealover - is that proto with an old FW? This is the generic Android UI.