Sony Ericsson X10 Official Thread

Posted by sealover94
sorry but satio is a crap... i have tested it for 4 days ...

Posted by synn

On 2009-11-24 12:47:16, Boinng wrote:

On 2009-11-24 09:20:46, synn wrote:

On 2009-11-24 08:55:06, captainsm wrote:
Well, since Satio is crap in all aspects other than the camera

Umm, no.

Just keep telling that to the people that bought it - http://business.timesonline.c[....]/technology/article6928737.ece

Umm, I HAVE one. Does your educated opinion override that?

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-11-24 13:56:46, synn wrote:
Umm, I HAVE one. Does your educated opinion override that?

Does your singular experience override all those who returned it? Perhaps you should be talking to CPW and Phones4U.

Posted by synn
Haven't spent much time in the Satio thread, have you? There are plenty of people there who have said that they haven't come across any serious problems with the handset. So have people across different forums.

This is not a worldwide recall like the 5800 issue. Stop blowing it out of proportion. If you have a serious lack of excitement in your life, I suggest that you google for "iMac Core i7 problems". Quite a lot have been brewing up on that front today.

Posted by anonymuser
Synn, as ever, I have no idea what point you think you're making. The fact is, both Carphone Warehouse and Phones 4U have had so many returns of the Satio, they've withdrawn it from sale until the problems are fixed. There's no way to spin that into anything other than what it is - a lot of dissatisfied users, and two retail giants who have made a purely commercial decision based on the quality of the product. Is any of that proven "wrong" by the fact that you and some other people on this forum liked the phone? Of course not. Is there even a balance in favour of the phone amongst users here? Very doubtful. Am I or anyone else wrong to draw conclusions from the high level of returns? No, not in the slightest - the facts speak for themselves.

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-24 13:45 ]

Posted by >500
ok guys got nothing to do with the x10

Posted by synn
I am not denying that some customers are facing an issue, nor is SE. They have pledged to fix it ASAP and that's that. Every highend handset in the recent times, namely the iPhone 3Gs, the Blackberry Storm, the Palm Pre, the HTC Hero, the HD2 (As of today), the N97, the Motorola Droid... etc. have come across bugs within days of their respective launches. Such is the pressure in the market to rush things out. In fact, the RIM CEO himself went on the record to state that one shouldn't expect high end sets to be bug free from day one. SE is no exception to this.

The way you were posting, you're suggesting that I'm the only Satio owner on the planet with a trouble-free handset. I'm not. Sure, it has its own quirks, but nothing terrible. Nothing that stops it from being productive on a day-to-day basis. I haven't come across a single issue on the retail firmware that forced me to take my SIM out and put it into my backup handset.

Now I don't live in the UK, but I know that CPW and P4U have high standards and withdraw handsets even if returns are within the margin of error for normal retailers. Not the first time CPW has done this. The N86 is one of the recent handsets that underwent this treatment. Unless they explicitly state what exactly the cause of concern is (For I haven't come across any) or state that the handset is permanently withdrawn, I don't see a reason to go up in arms.

>500: Much apologies. Just wanted to set the record straight from the PoV of someone who actually has first hand experience.

[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-11-24 13:48 ]

Posted by titus1

On 2009-11-24 13:33:47, sealover94 wrote:
sorry but satio is a crap... i have tested it for 4 days ...

If Satio user (

) is so outspoken regarding their disappointments..does it mean that Nokia user (5th ed) just swallowing it?

Posted by >500
its more to do with the software, s60, rather than

itself. Most, if not all, recent phones that have been released with it, have had many problems. e55, e52, i8910 early on, n97.... well, you get my drift. Lets face it, s60 has got its fair share of problems! I blame the OS mainly! Its shizen! Well the touch version anyway!!!

now back on topic!!!

[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2009-11-24 13:56 ]

Posted by goldenface
I work with a guy who has updated his G1 to Android 2.0 and it looked and performed great - made my Satio S60 UI look so dated. Android 2.0 on the X10 is a must, thank god its been confirmed.

[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-11-24 13:59 ]

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-11-24 14:47:35, synn wrote:
I am not denying that some customers are facing an issue, nor is SE. They have pledged to fix it ASAP and that's that. Every highend handset in the recent times, namely the iPhone 3Gs, the Blackberry Storm, the Palm Pre, the HTC Hero, the HD2 (As of today), the N97, the Motorola Droid... etc. have come across bugs

As with all things it's a matter of degree. All the phones you've named above have had bugs of course, as has virtually every other phone dumb or smart released over the last ten years, but that doesn't mean they've been withdrawn from sale within weeks of release, or were ever worthy of that kind of treatment. When two big retailers make that kind of decision - because it's actually no longer worth their while to even sell the phone in the first place - then you know that this is more than just the usual teething trouble. Heck, maybe the Satio's bugs aren't actually any worse than some other phones, but the overall experience is so poor people are just more likely to return it than "stick it out" - either way, that puts the Satio on an altogether different, sadder level to most others you could compare it with.

That's it from me on the Satio in this thread - like I already said, the facts speak for themselves anyway.

Posted by anders260
Sony Ericsson may bring PS3 app to X10, Sony plans store

http://twa.lk/335q5

Posted by XPHCTOC

On 2009-11-24 15:21:09, anders260 wrote:
Sony Ericsson may bring PS3 app to X10, Sony plans store

http://twa.lk/335q5

If so, it would be a very clever move.

Posted by anonymuser
Is it me, or do Sony make these vague PS3 related statements about all their new phones now? Just seems to be a standard part of the marketing plan. I give you "Satio to run playstation games" for example - http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=186689

(Ok, so I mentioned Satio again, sorry)

Posted by synn
Heh. That was cleared on the launch blog eons ago. That quote was taken out of context and Rikard clarified that the intended statement was that the Satio can run PS1 quality games (Which it does).

On topic, I'll wait and watch how this unfurls. Remote play is the obvious answer, but it may also be that you could buy movies etc. from the Playstation Network. There was news of Sony uniting all its online stores under one umbrella.

WOuld be nice becase Playnow Arena is still limited to a handful of countries.

Posted by laffen
Please do the Satio talk in the Satio thread. This thread belongs to X10

I was demonstrated the X10 by Rikard Skogberg, Sony Ericsson Business Manager - Nordics today. And I must say this is a really good looking device.

The X10 is still a product being developed, but from what I saw, most things are in working order. Nada crash, which I never have experience with prototype before.

[ This Message was edited by: laffen on 2009-11-24 15:57 ]

Posted by domipost
No crashes in MediaScape and TimeScape too? When I tried it a week ago it had...

Posted by laffen
No crash in either of them

Posted by domipost
Nice!

Posted by synn
Not to nitpick, but that's Rikard SkogBERG, Laffen.

[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-11-24 15:51 ]

Posted by anonymuser

Synn wrote:
On topic, I'll wait and watch how this unfurls. Remote play is the obvious answer, but it may also be that you could buy movies etc. from the Playstation Network. There was news of Sony uniting all its online stores under one umbrella.

WOuld be nice becase Playnow Arena is still limited to a handful of countries.

It's madness that Sony haven't unified things like this years ago anyway. They've always been in the strongest possible position as far as challengers to Apple go - they produce their own content in the form of music, films and TV, they could have had one online "Sony Store" all along for all their products - phone, walkman, TV, PS3, PSP, alarm clock, VAIO PC, all tied together with the same access to the same purchased content. With a single sign-on for all your Sony content, you could upload films and pics direct from your Handycam or Cybershot and watch them back on any Sony TV, phone or walkman, optimised for each format - why not? Buy a PS3 game and get a free minigame sent straight to your phone or PSP. Buy a song on your walkman or phone and have it waiting on your Hi-fi when you get home, buy a Blu-Ray film and download a free mobile version to your phone - they could have been doing all of this and more a long time ago. Why don't they?

Posted by synn
Must be a cold day in hell because I actually agree with Boinng for once!

It is true, Sony has all the right tools for a full-on media assault. But unfortunately, the Sony empire was operating as several fragments that had little communication with each other; until very recently. Good examples being that Movies and Game developers Who were working with the respective branches of Sony had to jump through a kabillion hoops to license music from Sony BMG for their products. Such things shouldn't happen.

Of late though, Sir Howard is pushing for tighter integration. One obvious clue towards this is that ALL of Sony's divisions (Including SE) are now sporting the same tagline (Make.Believe) for the first time ever. Some operators are bundling the Aino with a PS3, which creates strong brand awareness and also make complete use of Remote Play. It is also said that the team developing the Walkman X1000 successor (Android powered) is working closely with the X10 team. I hope in the next one year, we will see complete integration of all aspects of the behemoth.

It makes all the sense in the world for the X10 to have PSN access for entertainment needs. It already has Android marketplace for apps, so buying movies and music from PSN would compliment that nicely. I don't think porting PSP games would happen anytime soon (Unless the next PSP runs on Android. If wishes were horses...), but this can definitely be done, right now.

[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-11-24 16:07 ]

Posted by MyP910

On 2009-11-24 16:56:08, Boinng wrote:

Sony admit that they were late and didn't move to digital era earlier.... When I was with Sony (electronics), sony realised that, because of their negligence, they lost to ipod for digital music player after having a strong foundation in walkman.

Posted by my ninja
the problem is that sony can engineer hardware with the best of them, in terms of quality function design and value, throwing everything in the PS1-PS3 was genius! it cost them but they PUSH the industry forward, kicking and screaming, they dont give a f**k about the trickle out technology plan the apples of the world abide by.

now with that said, sony cant program for shit. never have doubt they ever will, SONICSTAGE anyone, the biggest mistake was holding steadfast to the MD and ATRAC, i had 4 or 5 minidisc recorders and they ARE awesome, however trying to push the MD past its prime into the digital age with sonicstage was where Sony lost it to apple.

now we have inferior sounding music reproduction devices, f**k APPLE!

sharp.sony(aiwa).panasonic and others made GREAT audio devices dedicated chips, devices with battery lives OVER 100+ hours, and what because iTunes was so nice dominant as a store and organizer, we have the iPod and 30- hr batt life IF your lucky, and no one is ... horrible sound due to the shitty dsp and you have to listen to MP3's you cant record shit with an ipod by itself, not losslessly at least ...

there is a market a HUGE hole in the market right now for a device whose audio fidelity is its selling point not some trumped up apple harddrive.

""on topic""

i think the X10 from the beginning of nov to now, has seen some really major usability improvements, hopefully this frantic pace will continue throughout the end of the year! im really excited that the screen is being changed out too, thats awesome i hope we lose nothing in the transition, and if it is OLED oh my! awesomeness.

Posted by doministry
Well,

for all the future X10 users,
let's hope it will be FUNCTIONAL - the Android..

Yesterday I checked S60 on Nokia 5800 - it has no dialer available
instantly after making connection! What a cr..p.

Is Satio the same in this regard?

Posted by my ninja
they changed the banner at the dev site.

Posted by S4k1s

Posted by XPHCTOC

On 2009-11-24 22:20:10, my ninja wrote:
they changed the banner at the dev site.

Well observed My ninja

Posted by etaab
Crystal clear 65k dull poor contrast display might be the next edit.. ?

Posted by bider
Nice post from developer.sonyericsson.com

1. Nov 24, 2009 6:07 AM in response to: aMpari
Re: How the sound quality will be on the Xperia X10?

Hi,

One of our latest phones W995 got EISA award as “Best European Music phone 2009-2010” (http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/newsandevents/latestnews/newsaug09/p_sony_ericsson_w995_wins_the_eisa_award.jsp) so I can not agree with you that our latest phones have worse sound quality. In fact Sony Ericssons phones are dominating top list in that segment.

You all know that we are in situation where we can not afford to release just another phone therefore X10 and our other phones will have top components and will be high quality phones in all segments (camera, sound, speed...). I guess that you heard that on one Android phone more than 22% of customers complained about sound problems and some other complain about camera... But don't mix manufacturer with OS. X10 has 3.5mm jack and have great sound quality, 4 inch screen is great for movies that you can download from PlayNow or another source, 1GHz processor is great for games, 1500 mAh battery, 8.1 mp camera is best on Android for now, it has 384 MB memory enough to be updated to Android 2.0...

When you buy you'll like it.

Best Regards,

Amir

Posted by sealover94
well excactly what a WAS SAYING all this time that the phone SHOULD have i order to buy...
but noooo you attack me all the time saying to leave forum no need more colors .. no need new OS mpla mpla mpla...

Posted by moogoo
sounds great!

now, when is the american version gonna be released?

I kind of hope there isn't an american carrier. I like having a phone not many others have. Sure i'll have to pay a premium to import it. But i'm ok with that

Posted by synn

On 2009-11-25 02:56:48, sealover94 wrote:
well excactly what a WAS SAYING all this time that the phone SHOULD have i order to buy...
but noooo you attack me all the time saying to leave forum no need more colors .. no need new OS mpla mpla mpla...

You still don't get it, do you?
No one said they don't need a new OS. All this time, we were telling you that all the things you were crying about would come with 2.0 to which the phone WILL be updated when the OS is ready for porting.

Posted by TJMonkey15
I wonder if the phone will really have 384 MB of memory when released. That would be awesome. Especially if the main reason for that is so it's easier to upgrade it to Android OS 2.0.....

I'm liking this phone more and more. Is it February yet?

Posted by moogoo

On 2009-11-25 05:51:42, TJMonkey15 wrote:
I wonder if the phone will really have 384 MB of memory when released. That would be awesome. Especially if the main reason for that is so it's easier to upgrade it to Android OS 2.0.....

I'm liking this phone more and more. Is it February yet?

That's if february means a dual release for the north american market as well...

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-11-25 03:25:48, synn wrote:
You still don't get it, do you?
No one said they don't need a new OS. All this time, we were telling you that all the things you were crying about would come with 2.0 to which the phone WILL be updated when the OS is ready for porting.

If SE have said "The X10 will be upgraded to 2.0 when that OS is ready for porting" then it's only been very recently. The original story was "the UX platform used for Xperia X10 will evolve to Android 2.0 over time", which is potentially a very different thing, and Sealover's right to look for clarity (from SE, not the fanboys here).

Posted by XPHCTOC

On 2009-11-25 11:14:13, Boinng wrote:

It's now official Boinng it will be upgraded to 2.0 and then to flan.

Posted by synn
You really need to spend some time researching how PR works.
And if Sealover needs clarification from SE, he should write to Mr. Nordberg. Not cry his lungs out on Esato.

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-11-25 11:42:56, synn wrote:
You really need to spend some time researching how PR works.

Actually no, I don't need to do anything as I don't produce any PR. Sony Ericsson could really benefit from that kind of research though, because if they'd got their PR right from the start, the launch of the X10 wouldn't have been such a muddle of mixed messages and incorrect specs, and there wouldn't still be potential customers believing the X10 is a strictly 1.6 device with a 65k screen (and really slow performance). Do you see how sometimes you get these things a little backwards, Synn?

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-11-25 11:42:56, XPHCTOC wrote:
It's now official Boinng it will be upgraded to 2.0 and then to flan.

I'm not arguing (and I'm genuinely happy for SE if they really are getting this right) but where was this confirmed?

Posted by McKinley

On 2009-11-25 12:32:19, Boinng wrote:

On 2009-11-25 11:42:56, XPHCTOC wrote:
It's now official Boinng it will be upgraded to 2.0 and then to flan.

I'm not arguing (and I'm genuinely happy for SE if they really are getting this right) but where was this confirmed?

It was first confirmed on an Xperia X10 event held in Netherlands last week.
Read a few pages back.

Posted by prototype_bo

i'm growing interest in this Rachael.
however, i'm not that fond to the "Timescape - Mediascape" thingy. sure it looks cool, but god knows how much juice their drinking from the CPU and the RAM. i prefer functionality over form. and that why i think the standard donut UI will be suitable for me.

[ This Message was edited by: prototype_bo on 2009-11-25 11:53 ]

Posted by anonymuser
Hang on - you mean this Google translated article - http://translate.google.com/t[....]d%2529%26utm_content%3DTwitter ?

Is that really it? There's nothing more official from SE themselves? No clear statement on their launch blog, press release, official site?

To be honest, I always thought it was unlikely that the X10 wouldn't get 2.0 at some stage, but if I was interested in buying this I'd still be uneasy about it - and about how long I might have to wait. It still seems like SE don't want us to be thinking about this too much. If 2.0 is definitely coming, and in any kind of timescale that makes it worthwhile (ie, in the next few months before it's also superceded), then why don't they just write that into the the whitepaper and have it writ large on the product page? Why are we relying on a (not infallible) Google translation to find this out, and then accepting that as gospel?

You'd think SE had never dissapointed anyone over a smartphone OS upgrade before. In reality, it's been the main failing of every smartphone they've released to date. The P800 never even got past UIQ2.0 with 2.1 reserved solely for the P900, the P900 never got an official update for the MS Duo limitation when the P910 was released with Pro Duo support (even though hackers proved it could be done in software), the P910 and all of its apps were history as soon as the completely incompatible UIQ3 came out, most of the UIQ3 devices were disasters which never got truly fixed firmware and the later G series was orphaned completely within a few months of release, the X1 never got Windows Mobile 6.5 although it's perfectly capable of running it, the Satio hasn't even had one working firmware yet (and early chat about updates to Symbian^2 etc is now long forgotten), but the X10's definitely getting Eclair and Flan because a dutch website says so? You've got to love people's faith...

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 12:39 ]

Posted by ron.jeremy

On 2009-11-25 13:00:30, Boinng wrote:
You've got to love people's faith...

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 12:39 ]

And you've got to love to rant, for the sake of ranting, keep up the good work buddy!

You and sealover should get together sometime soon, i'm sure it would be a blast!

In here though, we are pretty much sick of it.

The X10 is not perfect by any means, and neither have the presentation of the facts around this device been.
But seeing the glass as half empty all the time is "#�% annoying imo!
Give us a break!
Like yesterday.

Posted by synn

On 2009-11-25 12:21:44, Boinng wrote:

On 2009-11-25 11:42:56, synn wrote:
You really need to spend some time researching how PR works.

Actually no, I don't need to do anything as I don't produce any PR.

You sure need some help to understand it though.

First rule of PR: Don't throw a bone if you don't have to. Think about it for a while and get back to me with something more than useless rhetoric.

Do you think the general populace outside the forums give a flying duck about mixed messages? When the phone is launched; if (Fingers crossed) it has the latest version of the OS running on it, people would try it out in the showrooms and buy it if they like. That's just how it is.

Give up with your useless Satio argument, btw. The firmware I and many people around the world have is working perfectly and you're free to fly down and test the handset out to verify the authenticity of the claim; should you feel inclined to do so.

[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-11-25 12:57 ]

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-11-25 13:56:15, synn wrote:
Do you think the general populace outside the forums give a flying duck about mixed messages?

They don't have to care about them to be confused or misled by them. If you're considering a Droid or "Milestone" purchase and you heard (from any of the many news services etc that faithfully reported it) that the X10 is only going to be an Android 1.6 device, then you might well decide to just buy the Droid now, and forget about waiting for the apparently outdated X10. If you're trying to say that actually (in spite of all the evidence to the contrary) the X10 is going to have 2.0 at or soon after launch, then SE's PR strategy has actually cast the phone in an unfairly negative light and probably lost them sales.

When the phone is launched; if (Fingers crossed) it has the latest version of the OS running on it, people would try it out in the showrooms and buy it if they like. That's just how it is.

You're describing the point where all the PR in the world becomes completely irrelevant anyway. The point of the PR in the first place is to get those people into the showrooms to see if they like it. If it hasn't done that, because it's not sold it well enough in advance or actually downplayed some of its features and attributes, then it's failed.

Once people are trying the phone out for themselves, then the best PR in the world isn't going to save a bad device (although the reverse isn't necessarily true).

Give up with your useless Satio argument, btw.

What argument?

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 13:16 ]

Posted by synn

If you're considering a Droid or "Milestone" purchase and you heard (from any of the many news services etc that faithfully reported it) that the X10 is only going to be an Android 1.6 device

Go back about 10 pages, read up on the difference between Google experience devices and custom android builds and come back. My effort is wasted otherwise.

for the apparently outdated X10.

Faster processor, bigger screen, more memory, hugely better camera... exactly how outdated IS it?

No, that's advertising. Different strategies, different priorities. SE would do it when the phone is ready to be shipped.
Jeez, does everything need to be spoonfed to you?

[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-11-25 13:39 ]

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-11-25 14:26:27, synn wrote:
Go back about 10 pages, read up on the difference between Google experience devices and custom android builds and come back. My effort is wasted otherwise.

Your effort is misguided, and yes - wasted. Nobody cares about the difference between Google experience devices and custom android builds, the question for the consumer is simply when (or indeed whether) the X10 will get updated, and why SE's PR machine has spent so much time and money expressly not reassuring any potential customers on that point.

We all understand why the Droid has 2.0 ahead of the X10 (or any other Android device). What's not absolutely clear is whether the X10 is actually getting 2.0 at all, or at least any time soon, despite the unusually prolonged and long-term PR campaign SE are trying to whip up about this phone (still destined for next year, let's not forget).

Posted by synn
With Google announcing turn-by-turn navigation for 1.6 and SE implementing the bluetooth stack, what exactly on the Droid is better than the X10(As of today)? Seriously...

You of all people, using a horribly crippled device all in the name of "User experience" should know better.

[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-11-25 13:48 ]

Posted by anonymuser
My horribly crippled device has been well supported over the past year by regular updates and new features, including at least one very significant upgrade bringing in many of the horribly crippled new features of the latest model. I've always been running the most up to date version of my horribly crippled phone's OS, and been able to use my horribly crippled hardware to the full.

Apple have taught the industry (and many of its customers) a thing or two about how smartphone OS updates should be handled, horribly crippled or not.

Synn wrote:
what exactly on the Droid is better than the X10(As of today)?

The price sticker, indicating that you can actually buy it?

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 14:44 ]