Posted by SE-Naz
Im confident that they will not sell the handset if the software is that slow... I woul definitely class as that being an early proto...
The software will be a lot better by the time its ready for sale, im sure of that...
This is the first
handset in a long time im interested in... Hopefully it will tick all the boxes
Cheers
ENJOY
Posted by motvikt
On 2009-11-03 12:55:36, Mizzle wrote:
Might I add that the prototype handsets don't rely on the GPU power of the Snapdragon chipset? Currently, everything is being rendered by the 1 GHz CPU. Anyone with just the slightest bit of computer knowledge will tell you that CPU's suck at rendering graphics, so the CPU in the X10 is actually doing quite a good job already. It'll be much improved once they transfer the calculations to the GPU.
Just wait for it to get announced. More info will be available there.
[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2009-11-03 11:57 ]
Love posts like this! thx
Posted by iqtidar
On 2009-11-03 12:45:04, sealover94 wrote:
On 2009-11-03 12:42:22, iqtidar wrote:
is this the iphone killer? *sarcasm*
great hardware................................... thats all i can say.
Seriously..is this looking like iphone killer to you ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ytEOOTGtIo
Soooo slow!
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-03 11:51 ]
didnt see the "sarcasm" part?
Posted by obakesan
That is painful, even more so when you consider this supposed to have a 1GHz Snapdragon which is meant to be fast, etc. One would hope it runs lightning quick when released, but not a good start when presenting such a new device and it runs so slow. Probably put people of and look at the other devices coming to market.
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-03 13:01:24, iqtidar wrote:
On 2009-11-03 12:45:04, sealover94 wrote:
On 2009-11-03 12:42:22, iqtidar wrote:
is this the iphone killer? *sarcasm*
great hardware................................... thats all i can say.
Seriously..is this looking like iphone killer to you ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ytEOOTGtIo
Soooo slow!
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-03 11:51 ]
didnt see the "sarcasm" part?
yes
i'm reffering to some other guys here 
Posted by bider
I don't know if you've seen it 2 pages ago
XPERIA X10 White paper. Enjoy http://developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=102192
Posted by McKinley
Before people go completely bananas over the sluggish interface of this proto device, do keep in mind that Nokia N900 which has a very fancy UI with a lot of animations, struggled a lot with its speed at the early stage of development.
Now it's blazing fast so you should not worry about the speed in the final product of X10.
Posted by sealover94
But i have some good news also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYWEFG7iLVU
Posted by XPHCTOC
On 2009-11-03 12:55:36, Mizzle wrote:
Might I add that the prototype handsets don't rely on the GPU power of the Snapdragon chipset? Currently, everything is being rendered by the 1 GHz CPU. Anyone with just the slightest bit of computer knowledge will tell you that CPU's suck at rendering graphics, so the CPU in the X10 is actually doing quite a good job already. It'll be much improved once they transfer the calculations to the GPU.
Just wait for it to get announced. More info will be available there.
[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2009-11-03 11:57 ]
Thanks for this post
I understand better now. And I'm now sure it will be my next phone (I've got 2 BST 41 I don't want to throw them with my "old" X1). But I still think SE made a strategic mistake with this early presentation. I thought only "old" SE could do a such thing.
Posted by Legen
http://dailymobile.se/2009/11[....]-the-sony-ericsson-xperia-x10/
have you seen this?
Posted by OffLineR
On the white paper it says 65,536 colour TFT.
I don't really care about the colour.
By the way 1Ghz CPU doesn't necessarly to be the fastest one.
Using that CPU and not running it at that clock all the time can reduce power consumption.
I don't know if this is possible with this processor.
But even at the lowest clock rates, the UI(UX
) should work smoothly.
I know this phone is going to be great.
My disappointment was because of Android 2.0. I don't care which OS it runs but
shouldn't announce that they were going to use Android 2.0 as their first Android.
By the way can't we send files via blutooth with Android 1.6??
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-03 12:27:10, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
@sealover:
Sony Ericsson's 262k screens are noted as being some of the best on the market. The above image is the official specs taken from Engadget where it lists a 262k scratch resistant display. Now get over it.
Be more carefule next time when you are talking to me... NOW YOU GET OVER IT !
@bider try to read more carefully ..
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-03 12:34 ]
Posted by motvikt
Probably just a typo in the whitepaper, big deal...
Does anyone know if rachael has a digital compass? think i read somewhere that it was a requirement for android?
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-03 13:36:23, motvikt wrote:
Probably just a typo in the whitepaper, big deal...
Does anyone know if rachael has a digital compass? think i read somewhere that it was a requirement for android?
You dont now that and i dont know thta either.. until then the whitepaper is the most official source...and no 16m for sure
Posted by XPHCTOC
I like SE very much. But that's unacceptable from a multinational company to give in one day 3 different informations (+the 16k blunder). The communication department is pitiful. When HTC (or Motorola) announces a flagship there aren't such mistakes. Does anyone at SE know the real X10 specs?
The X10 webpage is half done, the white paper is half done. Ma que cazzo???
I'm still thinking old SE isn't dead...
[ This Message was edited by: XPHCTOC on 2009-11-03 12:48 ]
Posted by jcwhite_uk
It seems that
dont know the amount of colours that the Xepria X10 has. On the press releas on the SE website it says "262,144 colour TFT touchscreen" but on the white paper it says 65,536 colours.
Posted by OffLineR
And here is the third one with 16,536 color TFT touchscreen:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/c[....]ications/xperiax10?lc=en&cc=gb
Posted by mediar
Can we run java games and applications on it?
Posted by snoFlake
Obviously some of the disappointment here stems from over hyped expectations but guess that's natural in a community such as this. Also must remeber that Moto fundamentally rethought their strategic direction quite some time back 1.5/2 yrs ago and threw all their chips into the Android basket - well it made excellent sense for them given the parlous state they were in, the mess UIQ/Symbian was in and the basket case that is WM. As a result of such a strong commitment to Android they are one of only ywo Google Android partner comapanies in the world (HTC is other of course) and have benefitted from having Google employees assigned to them to assist in the development of thier new range of handsets. We are now seeing the fruits of Moto's intensive period of development when they brought out practically nothing (see their v low market share last qtr) and the results look pretty good and they have brought something new to it, tho I'm not sure an Android only strategy will be right in the long run (eventually you become a vassal of Google) but in their circumstances it's been well executed and was a brave if obvious choice.
SE came to the Android party a lot later and it's gonna take a bit more time to get this new UI shell optimised, reading some of the SE maketing/developer comments I wouldn't expect an overly early upgrade to Eclair becasue of the time taken to integrate UX into new OS versions. SE are partly paying the penalty for not having sorted their strategy out throughout 2007/2008 and into 2009 and trying to run with too many balls. The time wasted on the X1 panels interface could have been so much better used elsewhere (and it hasn't worked) if they need a WM phone for business (and it's a valid argument) then just doll it up a bit and push out a pretty plain vanilla one. Unfortunately SE now have a bit of a problem that they cannot overly commit to Android because there are becoming too many players in that space and it's going to be almost impossible to differentiate especially if you're not a Google partner (will always be behind the partners on release versions) so their Symbian strategy has to be very important too and I think they better stick with it and hope the horrible mess that is S60 finally morphs into something worthwhile rather than dying the whimpering death that looks possible at the moment. So as I feared at the beginning of this year without a platform of their own and having to try to run with all the packs they have ended up not being a favoured partner in any one of them and it shows. Becasue it's in the biggest trouble it may be that Symbian offers them the best/neediest partner but as we all know needy doesn't necessarily make best life partner.
Tough decisions for SE. X10 isn't bad - infact it's pretty good but as ever timing is horrible Moto have stolen it's thunder a bit already by shipping with 2.0 and again who knows what's in the pipes between now and next Feb (earliest). By March staring to get into next iPhone release hype.
Posted by Saka
Has anyone OFFICIALLY confirmed it will have capacitive display? Looks like not. All I can see is those demo videos where they push real hard on the icons which indicates a resistive screen again. And if it is resistive you can kiss multi-touch goodbye.
Posted by NightBlade
It's capacitive.
Posted by steveatkoss
Am really happy with the x10 except would have liked it to have eclair out of the box its always better to have the latest version running rather than waitin for an update though its not a major handicap imo...1 q i have some1 can clarify..is the video recording confirmed to be vga ?
Posted by Saka
On 2009-11-03 14:41:27, NightBlade wrote:
It's capacitive.
Says who? Officially!
Posted by MyP910
Yeay !!... I'm happy with SE... Congrats !!!
looks like first day buy for me.
Posted by tranced
If you ask me I'd have the second variant: Rachaela
I must say I don't demand too much from a phone, but this seems to satisfies me in many ways. Having a P1 with 208 MHz, 128 MB ram, 160 MB internal memory, led flash, 3.2 MP camera, etc. can say that this one will probably be my next phone.
Posted by BoyBawang
On 2009-11-03 12:55:36, Mizzle wrote:
Might I add that the prototype handsets don't rely on the GPU power of the Snapdragon chipset? Currently, everything is being rendered by the 1 GHz CPU. Anyone with just the slightest bit of computer knowledge will tell you that CPU's suck at rendering graphics, so the CPU in the X10 is actually doing quite a good job already. It'll be much improved once they transfer the calculations to the GPU.
Just wait for it to get announced. More info will be available there.
[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2009-11-03 11:57 ]
Which one will use GPU? The standard android interface? or the SE Customized UI?
Posted by OffLineR
@tranced
I'm with you
BTW, with micro USB, being 165gr(
), lack of DLNA support, 5MP camera(enough already ) and 550Mhz processor Motorola Droid sucks.
Well done
. Good choices on many aspects.
Posted by motvikt
On 2009-11-03 14:43:29, Saka wrote:
On 2009-11-03 14:41:27, NightBlade wrote:
It's capacitive.
Says who? Officially!
Well unlike screen resolutions which is different everywhere, all spec sheats actually say capacitive screen. Cant be a misstake
Posted by XPHCTOC
On 2009-11-03 14:54:27, OffLineR wrote:
BTW, with micro USB, being 165gr(
), lack of DLNA support, 5MP camera(enough already ) and 550Mhz processor Motorola Droid sucks.
Well done
. Good choices on many aspects.
Who tells you the X10 will support DLNA?
I only agree with the fact that Motorola droid camera SUCKS (the Iphone camera is doing a better job).
Posted by se_dude
@mizzle- Can you please clarify on the video recording part?
The screen will be the same as the droid. Check the droid for more information.
Posted by OffLineR
Who tells you the X10 will support DLNA?
I only agree with the fact that Motorola droid camera SUCKS (the Iphone camera is doing a better job).
Well
GSMArena says so.
But you are rigth. It is not official. Sorry for that.
Posted by Saka
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Which spec sheets? There is nothing in the white paper or anywhere else from
about screen type. If I missed where it says capacitive please link it!
Posted by synn
Wow!
In a day's time, this thread has turned into one hell of a whine-a-thon with a few posts showing logic and wisdom. As usual, people have taken their own personal mind-cooked fantasy spec-lists to the heart and have found reasons to complain about a seemingly unhateable product. Good job!
I'm just gonna sit out on this madness and post when sense prevails. And to laugh in the face of certain folks when the X10 eventually gets Android 2.0.
No offense.
Posted by NightBlade
On 2009-11-03 14:43:29, Saka wrote:
On 2009-11-03 14:41:27, NightBlade wrote:
It's capacitive.
Says who? Officially!
I say so. But if you don't believe me, then have a look at what Engadget has to say:
"There you'll find the full XPERIA X10 announcement details and spec sheet, which is highlighted by a 4-inch capacitive display and a deeply customized user interface."
Posted by tranced
I hope you don't mind if I borrow you some money when I decide to buy it :
On 2009-11-03 14:54:27, OffLineR wrote:
@tranced
I'm with you
Sony Ericsson should make official whether it is capacitive or what
Posted by Supa_Fly
SnoFlake,
SE is not 1/2 Android manufacturers:
SE, HTC, Motorola, Acer, Samsung, etc.
Saka,
Thank you for posting the REAL question of the screen: Capacitive or Resistive (or something new)??
NightBlade,
I'm hoping you're right - but nothing in the White Paper says Capacitive [http://se-blog.com/ says it is, but I want to see it from
directly] I know SE makes a lot of spec mistakes but no manufacturer is worse than Nokia in this regards.
In the White Paper I found this which is odd:
* HTML Email - Yes(Read only) p13 ??
- does this mean I can read html emails but not compose them? Will emails with photos/videos/recordings be attachments not inline?
* HTML 5 (partial support):Browser support
* Adobe Flash is not supported (p.16)
- Now a LOT of people are going to freak out regarding Flash. I for one am VERY happy! If any of you have seen GoogleWave, you'll know its for the better in the long run. iPhone also has HTML 5 support so the web will begin to cater to these mobile devices more efficiently. I'm VERY curious how this will work with HTML emails??
@OfflineR,
DLNA is mentioned in the White Paper
Posted by Domecot
It is capacitive guys. Mattias Holm said so. He is a global product PR manager at Sony Ericsson!
Posted by anonymuser
I was hopeful for this one, but it really does sound typical of SE already - months away from release (missing Christmas), current hardware in a very poor state, already in need of a big OS update that's far from guaranteed, and almost certain to be considerably less relevant to everyone here by the time it's eventually in the shops.
SE (and the few of its fans still here) still seem to believe that all they have to do to guarantee sales is announce a product, and then just wait for the money to roll in six months later when it's actually on sale - but it just doesn't work that way anymore. This isn't the P800 - a groundbreaking device that went months past deadline but was still unique when it launched - this is Just Another Android Phone, in the same way that the X1 (and now X2) was just another Windows phone, and the Satio just another S60 Touch device - all of these products had plenty of very healthy competition before they were even announced, let alone the many months later when each actually released, by which point - in each case - their specs and design are all significantly less unique or special.
It's easy to announce hardware like this - if everyone else planning a competing device for Q1 2010 had called a press conference yesterday, there'd be a lot less to say about the X10 right now.
Posted by sealover94
I think there is no need to wait for this phone till spring 2010..
Sonyericsson was preparing this phone for one year and still as we see is on a very early stage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ytEOOTGtIo
Further more tha lack of multitouch and the 16000 colors make a very bad impression to people (and i'm not reffering to a couple of se-fans here) and there is no excuse for that since there is a 1Ghz cpu inside X10.
Plus no android 2.0 and 8gb of memory make it not better than other phones ALREADY on market... and we have at least 4 months yet to go...missing Christmas!
(i didn't hear any word for the speakers...
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Posted by Supa_Fly
And to everyone beating SeaLover down on the resolution, that's mean. We all LOVE this design's so his eyes may be strained more than the common phone user.
That said I can see where he's coming from.
Just case SE C905 has 262,144 Colour TFT screen that looks fabulous remember this is on a 2.3-2.4" screen. Not a 4" screen. Also note its using a much smaller resolution: QVGA, and NOT WVGA!
So how will colours look on a 4" screen, using resolution: 480x854, and 262,144 Colours?
That GPU will be under-utilized to really show off its potential. What of shaders, gradients, etc that is the hallmark of mobile games lately? IMO 262,144 Colours is great for a 2.2-2.4" QVGA resolution screen for J2ME games. But for a smartphone with such a highly spec'd CPU with hardware video acceleration, hmm. Maybe
has something down the pipe in Q1 2010.
PS: Oh and for those that have a bad taste of Symbian in their mouth on Satio ... don't worry Symbian-Foundation is working on better UI - I'll post a Youtube video of a user proposal that was featured @ SEE 2009 in the Satio thread.
Posted by pavlov's_dog
Im pretty confident that this is not the final performance of the phone so there's NO need to fret. Satio started out really choppy when it first got introduced but it's very smooth right now.
Posted by snoFlake
@Prom1
SnoFlake,
SE is not 1/2 Android manufacturers:
SE, HTC, Motorola, Acer, Samsung, etc.
SE is not 1/2 Android manufacturers:
SE, HTC, Motorola, Acer, Samsung, etc.
errrrrm where do I say this?
I said that Moto are one of two partner companies for Google on Android (HTC being the other) by which I meant muanufacturers and nothing about SE at all. Verizon have been announced as a strategic network partner.
Posted by sealover94
On 2009-11-03 15:37:07, Prom1 wrote:
And to everyone beating SeaLover down on the resolution, that's mean. We all LOVE this design's so his eyes may be strained more than the common phone user.
That said I can see where he's coming from.
Just case SE C905 has 262,144 Colour TFT screen that looks fabulous remember this is on a 2.3-2.4" screen. Not a 4" screen. Also note its using a much smaller resolution: QVGA, and NOT WVGA!
So how will colours look on a 4" screen, using resolution: 480x854, and 262,144 Colours?
That GPU will be under-utilized to really show off its potential. What of shaders, gradients, etc that is the hallmark of mobile games lately? IMO 262,144 Colours is great for a 2.2-2.4" QVGA resolution screen for J2ME games. But for a smartphone with such a highly spec'd CPU with hardware video acceleration, hmm. Maybe
has something down the pipe in Q1 2010.
PS: Oh and for those that have a bad taste of Symbian in their mouth on Satio ... don't worry Symbian-Foundation is working on better UI - I'll post a Youtube video of a user proposal that was featured @ SEE 2009 in the Satio thread.
Thanks @Prom1 !! That's EXCACTLY what i'm tryin to explain to all of us here.If you trust me on photo-art work trust me on this too.I want that phone as much as everyone here but i think i will buy SATIO after today's announcement for the reasons i explained! (i have a w995 and c905 now)
[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-03 14:52 ]
Posted by bider
I hope, there won't be any more questions about the screen (maybe except colours
). From SE developer world:
XPERIA™ X10 is Sony Ericsson’s first phone on Google’s Android OS platform. XPERIA™ X10 has a 4 inch 854 x 480 pixel screen with a capacitive mineral glass touch-screen, fast 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon™ processor, 1GB internal storage with additional storage via microSD™ card, an 8.1 megapixel camera with autofocus, Wi-Fi 802.11g and HSPA at 7.2Mbps download.
With the power and features of the XPERIA™ X10 and the open software platform, developers have a compelling opportunity to create, share and sell applications.
http://developer.sonyericsson[....]ews/newsnov09/p_xperia_x10.jsp
Posted by se_dude
@boiing- Pretty easy to say for an apple fanboy which delivers one phone a year and has a cartload of people working thir ass off on a single phone throughout the year.SE has their Android, Symbian and A*** teams to look after. A 2-3 month announcement-release break isnt bad at all.
What about Nokia?Why doesnt anyone bash them?I dont think even HTC releases their phones as quick.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2009-11-03 15:53:32, bider wrote:
I hope, there won't be any more questions about the screen (maybe except colours
). From SE developer world:
XPERIA™ X10 is Sony Ericsson’s first phone on Google’s Android OS platform. XPERIA™ X10 has a 4 inch 854 x 480 pixel screen with a capacitive mineral glass touch-screen, fast 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon™ processor, 1GB internal storage with additional storage via microSD™ card, an 8.1 megapixel camera with autofocus, Wi-Fi 802.11g and HSPA at 7.2Mbps download.
With the power and features of the XPERIA™ X10 and the open software platform, developers have a compelling opportunity to create, share and sell applications.
http://developer.sonyericsson[....]ews/newsnov09/p_xperia_x10.jsp
Great post!
Finally its on their sight. Strange no mention of OpenCL ES 1.1/1.2/2.0?? Hmm.
Posted by karlosperu
Camera videocall yes not¿?¿?¿?¿
video demo
Posted by Supa_Fly
note: I edited the larger part of the paragraph out to highlight what I was referring to - no context lost
On 2009-11-03 14:16:07, snoFlake wrote:
Obviously some of the disappointment here stems from over hyped expectations but guess that's natural in a community such as this. Also must remeber that Moto fundamentally rethought their strategic direction quite some time back 1.5/2 yrs ago and threw all their chips into the Android basket - well it made excellent sense for them given the parlous state they were in, the mess UIQ/Symbian was in and the basket case that is WM. As a result of such a strong commitment to Android they are one of only ywo Google Android partner comapanies in the world (HTC is other of course) and have benefitted from having Google employees assigned to them to assist in the development of thier new range of handsets.
Reading what you posted, SE is not one of only 2/3 Android partners in the world. Samsung already released 3 handsets; equal only to HTC currently. Also partner companies goes beyond manufacturers - it includes providers, chipset makers, etc. So yes you where refering to SE and you where off on stating 1/2+1 "partners". I know what you meant, just highlighting that it was worded wrong as not everyone will be able to infer the same thought you where getting at. Maybe its just me.
However, you ARE right about looking at another iPhone device, and possibly another firmware update with some nice improvements down the pipe. Device should not be out or hyped for another 4-5mths though, Apple still needs to update the pro laptops and high end Mac Pro desktop.
After all the excitement we gotta see what their developer page comes up with. Just remember that Android will be updated and ported over to this unit so its got legs to survive at least 12mths.
Posted by Saka
Thanks, finally a piece of official info about screen being capacitive. They should really put this info to the white paper. Still, they are pressing real hard on those videos, can't wait to feel how responsive it really is.
One good thing that nobody mentioned so far: looks like we got the front camera. Something that wasn't clear from previous images.
Posted by snoFlake
Errr glasses mate - look at sentence above (my eyes are going too)
Also must remeber that Moto fundamentally rethought their strategic direction quite some time back 1.5/2 yrs ago and threw all their chips into the Android basket
The whole para is esentially about Moto's Android strategy
In rertrospect should've been more clearly worded as has casued confusion, for which I apologise.
But trivial point anyway main point is Motorola and HTC are Strtegic Partner Co's for Google SE (and the rest Sammie Dell etc) are not