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Posted by julias
My question is it ok to vote BNP in the elections? since none of the other parties are worth voting for anymore and have turned out to be corrupt b*****s since no one else is left besides the BNP and the Green party the only choice left is BNP and the greens don't really have much of an agenda apart form the environment.
[ This Message was edited by: julias on 2009-06-04 15:52 ]



Posted by Bonovox
No dont vote BNP cos they are racist people. Whilst I agree we need to control our borders and control how many people we let it I dont agree with their racist ways. Also yes we need British jobs for British workers but if a party like BNP got in there would be chaos riots civil war on our streets. I voted UKIP

Posted by jcwhite_uk
I too would never recommend to vote for BNP. if they got into power anyone who isnt white, speaks perfect english or looked at them funny would probably be kicked out of the country.

Posted by julias
I know the BNP are as mad as a box of frogs but its the only party who right now stands up for the U.K and british rights, i'm not for the racist policy but they may change once in power? i mean realistically do they really think they can kick out every non-white person out of of this country? what would this country be without immigrants? the economy would sink for a start since half of the city is owned by Arabs. their anti-immigrant policy just isn't feasible and i would vote UKIP but they were on the take aswel so who else can you trust?

Posted by mrmilo69
Why would they change whilst in power, if anything BNP are possibly the only political party that would stand by their manifesto to the letter when elected. Since when are palatable lies better than horrible truths?

Posted by Cycovision
There are plenty of other parties that claim to have the rights of British Citizens at heart. Many of them say they want to pull out of the EU and implement legislation to 'Put British people first'.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8060102.stm

Another problem with the BNP is that they really are a bunch of amateurs. Can you really see them running all aspects of the country? Finances, education, health etc?

Can you really see Nick Griffin as prime minister?

Yes, I know that this isn't a general election, btw
[ This Message was edited by: Cycovision on 2009-06-04 16:57 ]


Posted by nicv27

On 2009-06-04 17:56:15, Cycovision wrote:

Another problem with the BNP is that they really are a bunch of amateurs. Can you really see them running all aspects of the country? Finances, education, health etc?


I agree that the BNP are amateurs but the so called professionals don't seem to be doing such a great job

Posted by Bonovox
Where the hell did you get the idea the Arabs own half the city? Non white population make up around 11% of the UK plus white ethnics. Be hard to kick all them out. At the end of the day though all goverments in this world are corrupt in one way or another no goverment is perfect. Look at the Italian goverment total bloody mess they are. You can never ever fully trust goverments to fully tell the truth wherever you live. No I cant see BNP running the show they would make an even bigger mess than we are in now. Every single country has their twisted parties who are racist. There are still these types of parties in Germany France Italy Hungary Russia everywhere. Just dont give them your vote or any publicity and they are powerless

Posted by julias
Where did i get that from?its public knowledge that Arabs own many of the properties and city businesses in london, from Harrods (Mohammed Al-fayed) to Chelsea Barracks owned by the Qatari government. And many football clubs too but i although i can't say what else they exactly own but what i do know its a huge chunk. oh yeah just been told by my friend that Dubai owns 330 Travelodge budget hotels the list is endless! London these days is practically owned by foreigners not all Arabs though,the Japanese and the Russians also have a chunk.



Posted by Cycovision
I agree that the BNP are amateurs but the so called professionals don't seem to be doing such a great job


HeHe, Yeah!

It's a matter of respect as well I guess. Somehow I just can't see supposedly 'man in the street' parties such as the BNP or UKIP ever being taken seriously by other nation's leaders. I have no idea why, but I just can't.

Although I'd love to see how Nick Griffin and Barack Obama would get along if he ever became prime minister

Posted by julias

On 2009-06-04 18:34:55, Cycovision wrote:
Although I'd love to see how Nick Griffin and Barack Obama would get along if he ever became prime minister


Barack might have to wear a white hood just to just blend in with the BNP
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Posted by lukechris
I'm not likeing that comment,
sorry
[ This Message was edited by: lukechris on 2009-06-04 17:59 ]


Posted by julias
Why not its not an offensive joke if anything the joke is very much on the BNP

Posted by lukechris
Ahh, I misread sorry.
I thought it was because their trying to stop immagrants, you can see what I mean

Posted by Bonovox
Lets be careful here people no racist jokes I only voted UKIP cos I see no benefits of being run by faceless people in Europe telling us how we should run the UK. And where the hell does our apparently £40,000,000 a day go that we give to Europe? Correct me if im wrong. Why dont we as a democracy get to vote like my country did Ireland? If I was still living in Ireland I would have voted NO. Why do they force Ireland to vote again cos the bloody MPs wont accept it. Just like we dont like being dictated to neither do the goverments they simply cant accept people are saying no. Surely no means no?

Posted by Cycovision
Just to clarify, I was pointing out how incongruous such a meeting between Obama and Griffin could potentially be. No offense intended

There's nothing like British Democracy. You get to choose which which dictator you want every four years or so...
[ This Message was edited by: Cycovision on 2009-06-04 20:07 ]


Posted by Bonovox
Yes thats true lol. I think we should march against the goverment after what they been doing lately living the high life off tax payers money. We should start dictating to them cos afterall if it was'nt for our vote they would not be in that position. More fool us

Posted by Alpha Trion
@Bonovox

Just read this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8084086.stm

not in your area was it?

Posted by weirdwilli
In the whole of Norwich I've only noticed only one BMP sign up, and at school today I heard a few people planning to brick the bastards house, just thought I'd post that out here


Posted by goldenface
BNP wins first county council seat .

The BNP has won its first county council seat in Lancashire in the party's stronghold of Burnley as Labour faced a routing in the town's local elections.

more in link


Posted by julias
Nice; welcome to the beginning of fascist britain

Posted by bavlondon2
Canno't believe how stupid the thread starter is any same goes for anyone who agrees with her. This country lost many lives in WW2 fighting the far right and now some people are questioning if they should get votes? Madness. It's a good thing this is an online forum as if you said that to me face to face I would have no hesitation in backslapping you.

Posted by goldenface
Nah! The BNP getting a seat is just the 'kick up the arse; british politics needs. There will be a reaction of some sort.

Posted by Cycovision
I don't think anybody in this thread actually has said that voting for the BNP would be a good idea, have they? I'm sure julias was being sarcastic?

Posted by hihihans
I wish the world was more like Esato. All nationalities arguing but with respect and without prejudice. Nazi's were 70 years ago, lets keep it that way.

Posted by fluke9

On 2009-06-04 17:56:15, Cycovision wrote:
There are plenty of other parties that claim to have the rights of British Citizens at heart. Many of them say they want to pull out of the EU and implement legislation to 'Put British people first'.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8060102.stm

Another problem with the BNP is that they really are a bunch of amateurs. Can you really see them running all aspects of the country? Finances, education, health etc?

Can you really see Nick Griffin as prime minister?

Yes, I know that this isn't a general election, btw
[ This Message was edited by: Cycovision on 2009-06-04 16:57 ]



Don't Vote BNP.

But they could not do a worse job than the current Shower Of Shite.

But who would want a bunch of racists in control ????


Posted by Cycovision
There's no racism here, mate

I was just pointing out that many of the other parties reckon that they do want to address important but sensitive issues, like unmanageably high immigration levels for example, without imposing extreme measures.

Although the fact that they are politicians does of course suggest that, in reality, they would do bugger all of any use to anybody but themselves given the chance

I voted Conservative in lieu of anything better
[ This Message was edited by: Cycovision on 2009-06-06 20:33 ]


Posted by goldenface
The political upheaval is immense. The BNP getting their seat is just the wake up call that was needed. May be the usual suspects won't be so complacent anymore.

I can't really say that there is anyone I would vote for, it seems they'e all dodgy now.

Posted by Bonovox
One thing that really worries me that the current goverment is either completely blind to or completely playing dumb to is immigration. Our levels of immigration is just completely stupid. Whilst there is still alot of room in the UK we are still only a small country. We simply just cannot keep taking in the amount we are now. Not only is it pressure on public services and housing but if we keep letting in the amount of people we are now one day the UK will no longer be a green and pleasant land its always been. More and more land being built on more green belt land being taken up more over crowding in cities more levels of crime more people less jobs means more handouts and the government NOT saving money and the level of immigration so out of control it will no longer benefit this country but ruin it. On top of that the current birth rate. Its totally wrong and stupid what this goverment are doing and my view is not racist. I have friends who are black asian polish Hungarian Italian of all sorts. Even many people who settled here when immigration started after the war think enough is enough. Yes France and Germany have bigger populations and bigger immigrant populations but they have twice the space we have. It just worries me how this goverment is the worst on record for dealing with it and not getting control. We are powerless cos of stupid faceless MEPs who tell the UK we have zero say over how many can come here. Need I say more. Rant over. Alpha Trion that made interesting reading. I have seen and heard of plenty of vote rigging too.

[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2009-06-06 21:33 ]

Posted by london-uk
Here is an excerpt from The Cook Report. It's from 1997, Nick Griffin's early political career. Note the section where he speaks about the Holocaust (in particular from 00:48 to 00:51).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8QQwU00Jk

Personally, I think there are better ways to voice our dissatisfaction with the political system than to vote for the BNP.

Posted by michka
Remember one thing (and this has nothing to do specifically with GB): Once the extreme right comes to rule, they start with the immigrants. Then once there is no immigrants anymore, they start with YOU.

Posted by Bonovox
Why does everyone talk of people removing all immigrants? I never said that and put simply its not possible and wont happen unless some Hitler type took over but I dont think thats going to happen. Like I said I have plenty of friends from other countries outside the UK. What I was saying was we need to start limiting how many come in we simply cant cope with so so many coming in its too much for such a small country and too much pressure. Over crowding is bad in some main cities and if so many people wish to come here to work then the government says they cant work for a time till there applications are processed then they are all put on benefits which is NOT saving money and the people that are coming in are NOT contributing to the system. Its all one big mess.

Posted by bavlondon2
The only immigrants that should be removed are ones that come here and do not work, get free housing and claim benefits. I have no problem with people coming over here to work ect...

Anyway the BNP normally have a few seats here and there I don't think they have ever fully been out of the picture. I'm not sure where they are heavily based but I know olhdam had a bit of a presence.

Posted by masseur
NO... the only immigrants that should be removed from anywhere are those that are there illegally

for any other immigrants you might "think" should be removed, by your own criteria, but who are resident legally... you only have your elected government to blame for their immigration policy because if they are legal, that is only the fault of government policy, no matter how they act on arrival... and indeed those who meet your suggested criteria are no different than many local born who meet the same criteria, and in UK or Aus I can mention many who can fit this exact same criteria.. in Aus, we call them bludgers!

edit: ...and as for BNP... its only freedom of speech that allows, unfortunately, such parties to exist
[ This Message was edited by: masseur on 2009-06-07 21:11 ]


Posted by hihihans
Freedom of speech is a great good. But we need to keep a close eye on these parties. They are getting big in some countrys. Like said before they might be coming after you.

Posted by badassmam
Freedom of speech is the freedom to insult. Sadly, I used to work in a football stadium and clashed with many BNP guys. If they have some sort of policy with good reason like immigration I would not mind but you see whats in their hearts, me not being white I saw it all. They say its only a few people but I can safely say that on a matchday I would meet a few thousand. Its like a disease, even the kids start hating since they are bombarded with this crap. Come to think of it, this is how you get terrorists and psychos etc. I'm asian and I have seen the worst of racism. Nobody should go through such a thing. If people tell me to go back to my country I can always come up with a response but violence is difficult to deal with.

At the end of the day, people are more comfortable around their own kind which is not only to do with colour, it could be status, language etc. BNP members feel like immigrants are taking over which is why they are trying to stick together. A place that will remain anonymous, had a sudden influx of Eastern European immigrants and saw the BNP get huge support from all ethnicities despite BNP being racist. Its not like crime has gone up or anything in that area but you see how people react. I had my house decorated by Eastern Europeans, they did a fantastic job.

If we are the children of Adam (Adam & Eve) and he was made from dust, we are also made from dust. Its not like the BNP members are made of gold.

Posted by julias
I agree with everything you say there badassman but lets also not forget one other minor detail about the BNP that they also the deny the holocaust so for all these reasons they should be banned.Freedom of speech has limits and parties like there's have no right to exist as they are nothing but a poison in any civilised society and if some people want to wave the banner of freedom of speech then you might as well let paedophiles and terrorists run for government also.




Posted by Bonovox
Just heard the BNP have gained their first seat in Europe not good. Also they have gained seats in Yorkshire and Lancashire. Oh dear. Conservative have gained alot everywhere which is good. I think the only immigrants that should be kicked out are lazy ones who cant be bothered to work and come for handouts and im sorry to say it does happen. And the illegals who are also commiting crime on our streets. I was sick to the stomach when I seen a family come here they were GIVEN a huge luxury mansion in London and hundreds per week in handouts. How is this fair?

Posted by julias
You can't blame those immigrants for getting that luxury mansion its the system thats wrong after all its the councils that decide who gets what accommodation and where.You have to remember that far more immigrants contribute billions of pounds to the U.K economy its only the very small minority that get handouts and want to live here for benefits and they should be asked to leave.

Posted by Bonovox
I was not blaming them for getting it I was saying its not fair.

Posted by arien617

On 2009-06-08 02:19:00, Bonovox wrote:
I was sick to the stomach when I seen a family come here they were GIVEN a huge luxury mansion in London and hundreds per week in handouts. How is this fair?


You're covering very valid points, especially in terms of unnecessary benefit claims, however, I would like to see a source for that last bit I've quoted. Something that isn't The Sun, preferably.

Posted by julias
Giving this old topic a bump since the elections are coming on May 6th

How do we think the BNP will do?

Posted by fatreg
People have not got the guts to vote BNP, besides there's not enough of a minority to vote them in, all the immigrants will vote Labour as they give them all the things under the sun, it's a 2 horse race, between the Tories and Labour, Lib Dem do have a candidate in every constituency but not enough will vote for them, The Tories can will but it means they need the biggest swing in votes ever, and I'm not sure Mr Cameron is the man for it, he's no Maggie, I fear Labour will win again due to the amount of immigrants that are here and can legally vote, and by immigrants, I mean those that live off the state, not ones that come here and contribute and definitely not those that come here earn money, then don't invest it here, instead send it back to Poland, Sri Lanka, India etc etc, it's that sort of behaviour that hasn't helped out economy at all..

I suspect from this you will know I will be voting for...

Posted by Bonovox
Ya hit the nail on the head there Reg. Anyway hello stranger Reg

Posted by jlsonic
Labour have done themselves a serious injustice in keeping that Mouthbreather Brown as leader, even the recently deliberately "leaked" rumours of his bullying staff were probably concocted to try to give the man a bit of character and make him slightly more interesting than a rather uninteresting pebble.

David Cameron was simply the Tories response to Blair.

I too agree that it's a 2 horse race with an unfortunately quite predictable same outcome again. I agree with Reg about the immigrant population voting labour as they've been given everything under the sun. I know people who've been denied council housing as the points system for allocation favours those with immigrant status, giving a birth nationality other than British a points boost. Special needs education for kids suffering things like dyslexia, ADHD and other learning difficulties in mainstream schools has also been cut back to provide English lessons to immigrant kids. I know that a lot of immigrant workers are very hard working people and will do the jobs that shurkers on the dole refuse to do, but there are a lot of immigrant freeloaders too who cost a fortune to the state and who are only here through the lack of a sensible, enforceable immigration policy. Think I might migrate to eastern Europe and see what assistance I get there.

Rant over, fingers crossed for change but prepared for the inevitable sheep mentality UK voting result.


Posted by p900 lover
I doubt the BNP will ever get into power, at least i hope so.

As for immigrants of course those that live of the state should leave but what about British people that do nothing all day and get their JSA every two weeks to spend on whatever they want? This is ok?

On the topic of JSA and the like i think these kind of benefits should come in the form of food vouchers and travel (Oyster Card or similar), not hard cash.

Posted by fatreg
JSA should never have been introduced in all fairness, if you can't be arsed to go find a job, why should we give you money? disability and incapacity benefits are different but lazy sods who don't want to find a job deserve nothing..

Posted by lukechris
Ok I'm no racist but you lot are right.
I don't believe in all the Nazi stuff they go on about, but me, and most others will agree that the amount of people who are coming in the country is simply too much. The government were going on about only letting people immegrate if they were going to do jobs, and to fill jobs we are in shortage of (such as teachers etc.). In complete contrast however, people can come over here and get benefits and a house, even if they don't have a job. From what I can think of, theres no other country in Europe where you can get away with it that much. If I was to emmegrate to some countries expecting a house and money every week, then I'd be out of luck, and I'd be on street corners, and thats what we should do (ok ok, maybe not that bad, but you get the idea). I heard something somewhere saying there are now more people in the UK that aren't from the UK (that includes children of immegrants however).

Rant over . . . . . . . . . .


OH and job seekers allowance, you should get the money on a debit card, and everything you buy shows up. That'd seriously make people think, spend your money on crap you don't need and you don't get the money to spend on crap you don't need. Course, people can't live off nothing, and if you really have been made redundant, and are looking for a job (ie. going to the job center every flipping day and searching) then you should be given something. You should have to go to the job center 2/3 times a week to get it, simple.

Posted by julias

On 2010-04-15 17:24:58, lukechris wrote:
I heard something somewhere saying there are now more people in the UK that aren't from the UK (that includes children of immegrants however).



If you believe that you will believe anything that's exactly the kind of racist propaganda the BNP put out

Fact is even with the current influx immigrants account for only 15% of the entire U.K population with the vast 85% being the white indigenous population so there are hardly in the majority and because immigrants tend to settle in large towns and city's usually with their extended families (and lets face where all the jobs are) it seems like there are too many of them when that is clearly not the case

In my line of work i often do a lot of travelling up and down the country and go to lots of smaller towns and villages and i struggle to find a black or brown person there




Posted by Bonovox
The UK is too small a country to continue taking this many people. Also when there are no jobs how is it good for the economy if we still let people in? Yet when they arrive they either have no job to go to,are told they cannot work with some stupid government rule so they are given benefits & big houses. Tell me,how is that saving the UK economy? Lukechris there are around 11 million people in this country who come from abroad or immigrant families. But there is still 42 million white British or Irish so people who say there are more of them than us then they are just being stupid. I am not racist I have friends from different backgrounds but at the end of the day enough is enough we just cannot take this many people. What is it going to be like in 20 years? A small place like the UK will be more crowded than India
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-04-15 16:49 ]



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