Posted by johnjohndoe
I just came across an interesting article on the new iPhone, and thought you guys might want to take a read...what do you think? Will apple continue to reign supreme?
Posted by coolharsh55
read the article again....
rumoured...........and speculations....
still it wont be good enough to capture the smartphone market...
it doeant have best emails, not best camera, norbest music intrerface...
it'll be the continued hit, with lots of
people buying it, but it wont be at top.
Posted by se_love
Oh its coming. Chinese wholesellers have parts for it:
http://gizmodo.com/5271696/ne[....]revealed-by-chinese-wholesaler
And its rumored to have a matte finish on the back
http://gizmodo.com/5272909/po[....]09-compared-to-shiny-iphone-3g
So who knows. Is it enough? Hard to say. 3.2 is pretty low. Sure it might have video recording but still pretty low. We will have to see where it goes.
Posted by SloopJohnB
Apple used to base iphone's success on its interface, itunes/ipod and then also the apps. The problem is the interface won't be an apple-exclusive with other phones with multi-touch and easy UI coming to the market. The iPod is a great app but that won't make most people buy it instead of another smartphone. What's left is the app store. Apple is probably going to invest a lot on mobile OS development, work with partners and etc and that way people will buy the iphone because of the apps available. The iphone won't be the phone with the best cam, more memory and etc, but it will have the most apps, probably the best mobile apps on the market and a very easy way of getting them. It will be a funny thing if this happens because the iphone will have dominance because of the number of apps and not the quality/features of the OS, it'll be like the iphone OS is becoming the windows OS of the mobile market. LOL
I have an iphone 3g and I would only consider maybe the Pre to be my phone but that depends on the apps available and how the phone performs and if it works well with Mac OS.
Posted by Residentevil
The iphone did not introduce new technology when it was revealed. What made it so popular where the interface, the itunes to capture existing users and the apps. Same with a videogame machine. Not the best hardware wins, but the one with the most/best software titles.
So that will be the strong points of the iphone and I have to admit it is a good strategy.
Posted by S4k1s
| Market | Market | ||||
| Share | Share | Growth | |||
| Company | 2008 Sales | 2008 (%) | 2007 Sales | 2007 (%) | 2007-2008 (%) |
| Nokia | 60,920.5 | 43.7 | 60,465.0 | 49.4 | 0.8 |
| Research In Motion | 23,149.0 | 16.6 | 11,767.7 | 9.6 | 96.7 |
| Apple | 11,417.5 | 8.2 | 3,302.6 | 2.7 | 245.7 |
| HTC | 5,895.4 | 4.2 | 3,718.5 | 3.0 | 58.5 |
| Sharp | 5,234.2 | 3.8 | 6,885.3 | 5.6 | -24.0 |
| Others | 32,671.4 | 23.5 | 36,176.6 | 29.6 | -9.7 |
| Total | 139,287.9 | 100.0 | 122,315.6 | 100.0 | 13.9 |
[ This Message was edited by: laffen on 2009-05-31 18:28 ]
Posted by SloopJohnB
Dominance because apple jumped from a share of 2.7 to 8.2 in one year and it did it with ONE model and NOT a cheap one. Plus the development for iphone OS is huge and it's still growing. The other companies hasn't release a phone that got the same 'attention' and 'mindshare' of the iphone yet, so apple's share of the market will likely continue to grow. You have to put things in perspective when analysing data like that.
Posted by Dups!
The novelty of the UI of the Iphone will wear off after this 'new' Iphone. It will sell but not as much as the 2 previous iterations. After this I see the Iphone being just another phone among many. Apple did extremely well in coming up with such a wonderful touch UI but that's where it ends after the release of the upcoming rendition.
Posted by se_love
Mr blurrycam?
Posted by se_love
http://gizmodo.com/5273348/fi[....]look-very-real-to-me#c13209590
So yeah seems legit new Iphone for 2009. I wonder what it will be like.
Posted by johnjohndoe
I think this is the key issue of the matter as SloopJohnB said "The other companies hasn't release a phone that got the same 'attention' and 'mindshare' of the iphone yet"
It's the success of Apple in grabbing the collective consciousness and desire of consumers in the smartphone market that has been most impressive and will, above all else, carry the next iPhone through, at least the next iteration...but as EMS06 said I can see that customers enthusiasm for the iPhone will likely wane if no new features are introduced, after all, current iPhone owners are going to have access to the 3.0 which will provide most of the new features...
So why upgrade? A larger hard drive? Faster processor? Better camera? OLED screen? Glowing Apple logo? - I'm failing to see why I should do it....perhaps when the iPhone 4 comes round!!
Posted by coolharsh55
hey........... you people didnt get to realise the APPLE power or what???
they never have got the BEST things in market, but they surely have got the HOTTEST ones...
what made the iPhone a huge, and i repeat HUGE success, is that the phone was a style-statement, with superb touch interface... slim, very cliche.... and the pricing was the biggest factor for its success.... mind you, its the youth that buyed that phone, and most of them bought it even when it didnt have so many things like a great cam, some known issues like messaging, copy-cut, etc etc
no other smart-phone user has bought an iphone......
its all multimedia users who love the iphone...
i dont think apple will capture the market with just one model, the most they would do is remain at number three...
which is enough for a single model i think....
again when apple realeases v3.0, the same kind of people are gonna buy the iphone...
so it wont be a market dominance,, but it wont receive all that hype and hoolah that had the first iphone..
the iphone was all the rage because it was the rays of a new era of interface and user control...
but now its quite back, people arent all that hyped about an iphone..
sure they'll buy and all, but it isnt that hot as it used to be,
unless apple decided to just fill in so many features with a price that other companies wont be able to beat for the next five years [the true iphone did just that], then i beilive the iphone will have rejuvinated itself..
and knowing apple, if theyh do it, it wont be a surprise???
Posted by se_love
Only significant change it will get is a 3.2MP camera magnetic compass and some other whoolah.
Posted by S4k1s
On 2009-05-31 05:16:30, SloopJohnB wrote:
Dominance because apple jumped from a share of 2.7 to 8.2 in one year and it did it with ONE model and NOT a cheap one. Plus the development for iphone OS is huge and it's still growing. The other companies hasn't release a phone that got the same 'attention' and 'mindshare' of the iphone yet, so apple's share of the market will likely continue to grow. You have to put things in perspective when analysing data like that.
The perspective is you failed your point with this post since Nokia is the one dominating the SP-market. The OP failed also because the URL clearly shows who is nr 1. It's like in the PC market, Mac can grow with 4000% and still be nothing compared to Windows Dominance. Don't confuse growth with market share.
No one claimed that iPod is not a success -because it is a huge one. Just that Apple is not dominating tha smartphone market ;]
Posted by Boinng
Apple is completely dominant in the smartphone market right now because it's produced a device, and an OS that people actually love to use and develop for. 1 billion app downloads in less than a year don't lie.
Let's be honest here, S60 is top of the list above because Nokia sell a lot of phones, and they happen to use S60 as the base for many if not most of them - it's been that way for many years. Want a Nokia phone with the best camera? Whoops, you just bought S60 and you didn't even know it. Are you going to start buying lots of S60 apps now? No, of course you aren't. Aside from a minority of phone geeks in places like this, nobody ever bought an S60 phone because it was S60, they bought it for the features and the UI and OS were entirely secondary - why not, when the UI is essentially S40 with bells on anyway?
In second place you have RIM, the corporate favourite. They deserve to be there, they've made the enterprise space theirs by making mobile business email easy for employees and it managers alike, but let's not pretend that the majority of those blackberry users don't have their phone for work, not play. It's a shackle that's been issued to them by the company, not something they've chosen, or would choose to make more use of.
So then in third place we have Apple, only its users have not only chosen the phone/device themselves, they're also using that smartphone OS. they're downloading apps, writing their own apps, and generally extending their phone's functionality endlessly. User satisfaction surveys place the iphone tops, app sales and development are through the roof, and they're only two years and two nearly identical models in. Tell me again who's dominant in the smartphone market?
The next model will be a winner partly because of the feature improvements (expect video recording to be heavily marketed) and partly because the new OS3 will plug many of the percieved feature gaps that have kept some away. But mostly it will be a success because of the ever improving apps that will become even stronger over the coming year, as developers make use of the new SDK. And the fact that so much of this will still be available to existing users through the OS update for current iphone's is just another of the massive strengths of the platform.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-06-01 22:28 ]
Posted by hihihans
@ se-love , aint all that whoolaa is what we get exited about. And nag about cause its never enough.
Posted by S4k1s
You can twist and turn it as u like but the fact is the only market the iPhone might be dominating right now is the one over at AT&T...
Maybe one year from now it will dominate worldwide but it isn't doing that right now.
And you know what, I know lots of people that got the iPhone just because they see it as status symbol and not because it's a smarthphone. The generalisation you do of "Nokia people" can also be made for "iPhone people"...
Posted by apolloa
On 2009-06-02 01:15:41, S4k1s wrote:
You can twist and turn it as u like but the fact is the only market the iPhone might be dominating right now is the one over at AT&T...
Maybe one year from now it will dominate worldwide but it isn't doing that right now.
And you know what, I know lots of people that got the iPhone just because they see it as status symbol and not because it's a smarthphone. The generalisation you do of "Nokia people" can also be made for "iPhone people"...
Well said, It pees me off the way people try to claim as FACT that the iPhone has dominated the smart phone market, and conveniently forget a little company called....Nokia!
The iPhone has so many faults it's ludicrous, yes it has a flashy interface but it will NEVER dominate the worldwide smartphone market.
I know PLENTY of people that can afford an iPhone but they choose not to buy it because it doesn't interest them or they don't like it.
Posted by Boinng
Right, so is it a Nokia phone that every manufacturer has been trying to copy and catch up with for the last two years? Is it the Nokia appstore that Android, RIM, Windows Mobile, and Nokia themselves are desperately trying to ape? It's no surprise to see Nokia's growth stagnating at 0.8% year on year in a time when overall smartphone use is growing - and wait, who's leapt up 245% in the same period?
You can try and claim that iPhone users simply buy iPhones as status trinkets, but the problem for Nokia and the rest is that the figures prove those same users actually go on to download apps, and invest in the iphone ecosystem - and every app sale just encourages more and better apps from more developers, and more of those users to stick with Apple for their next phone.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-06-02 07:36 ]
Posted by carkitter
What he said ^^^
Half of all mobile phone browsing is done on an iPhone. Those S60 devices are being bought as expensive trinkets not the high-powered mobile computers Nokia intended.
Posted by voda_jon
i have to side on the iPhone side.... not coz i use one and have done since the 2G version was released but because they have done what no one else has. They released a single phone with features that at the time werent anywhere near their competitors yet still managed to overtake many competitors within a few years. And all whilst still only selling 1 mobile phone product!
No matter how much u hate the iPhone that is something to be amazed by. And then theres the App store! The support iPhone users have given the app store and in return the developers has been immense!!! Can Nokia say the same with their Symbian Software? Only now are Nokia and other manufacturers creating stores like the app store to try and compete. And again only time will tell if they become as sucessful as the App store.
And finally, ask an average Joe iPhone user why he bought the phone and what he/she thinks of it... u get the 'i bought it as it looks good and works, i like it coz it just works and has loads of apps'
Then ask an average Joe Nokia/SE/Samsung user the same... 'i bought it as it had x number of megapixels camera and is {company names} latest phone...'
Two different groups of users with two different groups of use... everyone i speak to in my office get phones as they have loads of megapixels and dont think about apps etc... then i show them the iphone and the apps and they forget about the camera etc...
Posted by Boinng
Exactly. I've been a smartphone user for years, I'm very used to using third party software on my phone, but even I've been surprised by the high quality of iPhone apps, how addictive they are and what good value they present. I'm well aware of the possibilities of Symbian, Windows Mobile and the rest, but right now it's the apps that keep me stuck on the iPhone, and will persuade me in time to upgrade to the next model. With all the apps I have on board my iPhone, it's a far more powerful device than anything I've carried around before.
Posted by S4k1s
Well, I'm happy for you that you like your phones etc. but this thread was not about how good/bad the iPhone or it's competitors are or what people think about it, it was about "market dominance"
Also I beg you, plz stop with the bloody generalizations of people
Posted by Boinng
On 2009-06-05 01:21:32, S4k1s wrote:
Well, I'm happy for you that you like your phones etc. but this thread was not about how good/bad the iPhone or it's competitors are or what people think about it, it was about "market dominance"
Also I beg you, plz stop with the bloody generalizations of people
I've no idea what pedantic point you're trying to make there, but the fact is that Apple are in a dominant position because of the quality of their product and the eco-system (and apps etc) surrounding it - and by dominant I mean growing at a rate which utterly dwarfs the competition, and which is backed by developer support for its OS that far outweighs that of Symbian's or anyone elses.
If Apple aren't dominant in this sector (in your opinion), are you honestly arguing that a company that lost almost 6% of its marketshare is?
Are you expecting Nokia's share to climb in 2009?
Posted by S4k1s
Stop the bloody nonsense ;]
You compare 2.7% with 49.4%... When you have 50% of a such diverse market it's a bit hard to grow even more, it's pretty logical you will see a drop.
And maybe it looks like I'm trolling now but Seriously, you can't take a common word and say "with this word I mean..."
You are not dominating a market when you see a 245% growth going from 2.7% -> 8.2%
But hey maybe with the next iPhone Apple will really dominate the market -I guess we will know in a few hours ;]
Posted by Boinng
On 2009-06-08 16:01:32, S4k1s wrote:
Stop the bloody nonsense ;]
It's not nonsense I'm afraid, merely an interpretation of events with which you are, it seems, extremely uncomfortable...
You compare 2.7% with 49.4%...
And then I compare 8.2% with 43.7% last year, and a growth rate of 245.7% against 0.8%, and I pretty easily see how the former is galloping away with the latter - can't you?
When you have 50% of a such diverse market it's a bit hard to grow even more, it's pretty logical you will see a drop.
A drop of 6% in market share combined with stagnant growth, at a time when the smartphone market as a whole is storming ahead? The only logical assessment to be made there is that the company in question is faltering, failing to press home any advantage, and losing out to more dominant rivals.
And maybe it looks like I'm trolling now but Seriously, you can't take a common word and say "with this word I mean..."
When the word is open to interpretation, yes, of course I can. It's quite obvious that in your mind, Nokia will remain "dominant" right up until their lead is slashed to a fraction of a percentage point and their shareholders are baying for blood, but to me "dominance" implies that you still have some control or influence over your market, and that you can be sure of growth or at least maintaining your advantage. Nokia haven't had that for some time, and the figures you're so fond of only prove that.
You are not dominating a market when you see a 245% growth going from 2.7% -> 8.2%
You are when the long established leader is losing their position at the same time, and everything else (such as developer support) is coming your way too.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-06-08 15:59 ]
Posted by S4k1s
Oh well, I guess it's like trying to explain colors to a blind person...
From your point of view Windows 7 is dominating the PC OS market...
[I'm done here there isn't much more to say]
Posted by Boinng
On 2009-06-08 16:59:19, S4k1s wrote:
From your point of view Windows 7 is dominating the PC OS market...
Interesting choice of analogy - Windows 7 is obviously the future of the PC OS market, after all. I don't expect much of a fight back from Vista, do you?