Posted by hihihans
So it will be like the softkey on my K850?
Posted by iva_se
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK5Qblgb7Gc
Aino Live Video
Posted by c96sthl
On 2009-05-28 22:08:39, sealover94 wrote:
On 2009-05-28 22:06:09, goldenface wrote:
I want. This is the favourite for me.
no 3g camera call?? oh that's for fun ... for sure............
that's fun for whoever who don't want their other half track them
well honestly. I don't really see the point to use 3G or 3.5G for video call...its more for data
but well on Aino...as i get the time to read more about it....the capacitive touch screen with limited function is just too stupid...they better get the software guy work on the stuff fast to get more touch function in.
if they only need limited function...why not just use the good old resistive method which is cheaper.
Posted by driftmania
On 2009-05-29 05:01:26, c96sthl wrote:
On 2009-05-28 22:08:39, sealover94 wrote:
On 2009-05-28 22:06:09, goldenface wrote:
I want. This is the favourite for me.
no 3g camera call?? oh that's for fun ... for sure............
that's fun for whoever who don't want their other half track them
well honestly. I don't really see the point to use 3G or 3.5G for video call...its more for data
but well on Aino...as i get the time to read more about it....the capacitive touch screen with limited function is just too stupid...they better get the software guy work on the stuff fast to get more touch function in.
if they only need limited function...why not just use the good old resistive method which is cheaper.
Cuz enough people are complaining about the limited touch functionality, don't need to make it worse by adding resistive screens to the list.
Posted by vegetaleb
I think it will be better than Idou for SE addict...
Idou potential negative points:
-S60 (yes I hate s60 OS and nokia)
-Screen could be poor under direct sunlight because it's resistive
-Battery?
-Too big
This model is like a redesigned W995 which is not bad at all
Posted by razec
Honestly i was more surprised than disappointed, i did not expect something from SE other than expecting reese to appear or have idou finally and officially announced but what we have here is two new phones alongside idou (which is now Satio) and aino is really refreshing! I mean God, those designs came out straight from Japan! and the Multimedia media menu makes us think that its a scaled down PS3.
The limited touchscreen on A300 may disappoint many of us (actually me too) but inside A300 is very matured java platform thats just second to none, I even wondered why i can't play those mighty unmatchable FishLab games on other phones other than SE until realizing that its because other brands doesn't actually have a java3dmicroedition API installed in it! Touchwiz and S-Class can offer us UIs that are great looking but they lack substance.
Posted by idumbakumar
Really stupid. A2 accelero meter in media menu and touch screen function in anio media menu. Always reducing the software quality by upgrading platform. I cant forgive this bec its basic. I can use my media menu without touch functionality is it not?
SE concentrating on lil things missing basic main things. If it doesn't have touch screen people wouldn't have criticized much as now. Or atleast the D- pad in front could make a sense. Pissed off.
[ This Message was edited by: idumbakumar on 2009-05-29 08:58 ]
Posted by roanmy
I think it's stupid to be that upset over the touch-thing. If it's not being marketed as a fully fledged Touchphone, then we should be glad it's there. Many japanese phones utilizes touch like this.
Posted by synn
On 2009-05-29 09:56:46, idumbakumar wrote:
Really stupid. A2 accelero meter in media menu and touch screen function in anio media menu. Always reducing the software quality by upgrading platform. I cant forgive this bec its basic. I can use my media menu without touch functionality is it not?
SE concentrating on lil things missing basic main things. If it doesn't have touch screen people wouldn't have criticized much as now. Or atleast the D- pad in front could make a sense. Pissed off.
[ This Message was edited by: idumbakumar on 2009-05-29 08:58 ]
Do you use a slider?
i do. Every day. i open it for calls and use the numerical keypad for fast access of menus. Trust me, it's faster than any touch UI. The only place where I wanted touch in the first place was for media and web. Now this phone has promised the former and we have to wait and see the latter. I don't see what the big problem is.
Posted by carkitter
I think its genius; this phone is going to be massive.
I have an iPhone 3G and using the multitouch for media is great but using it for menus and txt entry while novel is error prone and just plain frustrating at times.
This will be great for people unsure about making the leap to full touchscreen. Throw in some cool downloadable content and a good subsidy and SE have a winner!
Posted by c96sthl
On 2009-05-29 10:28:51, roanmy wrote:
I think it's stupid to be that upset over the touch-thing. If it's not being marketed as a fully fledged Touchphone, then we should be glad it's there. Many japanese phones utilizes touch like this.
Well not sure about me... i just feel upset to see a capacitive screen get under utilized this way.
that's why I said....why not just go for resistive....which can drive the phone to be more affordable as limited touch cannot utilize everything .... unless there's still surprises as they continue to improve thing...just like how they did ...a major revamp for C905 in feb.
but to be a be hypocritical... I might still choose Aino ... i cannot find those deskstand and headset info on accs page...so it seem like those are dedicated stuff for Aino?
that is the stuff i love to have beside just a phone
Posted by pt020
Just wow ... only yesterday i thought i will buy me the W995 next month ,but i will have to wait bit longer for this one. love the limited touch screen.only for games online and music.
it looks good too,bit too elegant but clean,
does anyone knows when?
Posted by vegetaleb
Lol
Dude this phone is set for November
When you will reach its release SE would have announced other next gen phones
Posted by goldenface
Ooo! The design is sweet, not really arsed about the touch, there is a keypad for your benefit. Looks great!
Posted by idumbakumar
On 2009-05-29 10:33:36, synn wrote:
On 2009-05-29 09:56:46, idumbakumar wrote:
Really stupid. A2 accelero meter in media menu and touch screen function in anio media menu. Always reducing the software quality by upgrading platform. I cant forgive this bec its basic. I can use my media menu without touch functionality is it not?
SE concentrating on lil things missing basic main things. If it doesn't have touch screen people wouldn't have criticized much as now. Or atleast the D- pad in front could make a sense. Pissed off.
[ This Message was edited by: idumbakumar on 2009-05-29 08:58 ]
Do you use a slider?
i do. Every day. i open it for calls and use the numerical keypad for fast access of menus. Trust me, it's faster than any touch UI. The only place where I wanted touch in the first place was for media and web. Now this phone has promised the former and we have to wait and see the latter. I don't see what the big problem is.
Of course i like slider thats wy i'm using w910. And thats makes possibility for bigger screen. But its weird to slide out the phone just for navigations. We use soft keys and d-pad more than text keys.i need d-pad in front thats all about.
We are not getting bigger screen mobiles like this often so we don't have a choice for choosing other models among SE.
Posted by idumbakumar
Then what are the video playing capabilities and video recording capability?
Does it play divx?
Posted by synn
On 2009-05-29 11:20:17, idumbakumar wrote:
Then what are the video playing capabilities and video recording capability?
Does it play divx?
It uses MediaGO, which means whatever movie you have would be converted to a compatible form before it is transferred to the phone.
For once, I wish people on forums would start looking at what IS there instead on going on a hunt for what ISN'T. Because that is why people on the net would never, EVER be satisfied.
Posted by idumbakumar
Honest people look for what they need mainly, not whats that isn't have.
If both in controversy then they will not be satisfied.
So its the intelligence of any company to satisfy the customer needs instead of judging themselves and creating devices.
Its my opinion please don't blame me. But still i like this device except the d-pad underneath. I don't forget to mention xperia has d-pad in front and bigger screen too.
Posted by pt020
On 2009-05-29 10:57:37, vegetaleb wrote:
Lol
Dude this phone is set for November
When you will reach its release SE would have announced other next gen phones
hi you are complitly right,but i have the p1i and i love the touch screen when online and would miss it in the w995 ,just posted a message about it 3 days ago. and now they bring one with all the things i want,and the touch screen is limited like it should have been from the begining ,only for music,camera,online
Posted by synn
On 2009-05-29 11:37:43, idumbakumar wrote:
Honest people look for what they need mainly, not whats that isn't have.
If both in controversy then they will not be satisfied.
So its the intelligence of any company to satisfy the customer needs instead of judging themselves and creating devices.
Its my opinion please don't blame me. But still i like this device except the d-pad underneath. I don't forget to mention xperia has d-pad in front and bigger screen too.
Then it's quite obvious you should wait for the next Xperia. Perhaps this isn't the device for you.
Personally, I find it great that SE launched 3 phones that feel remarkably different from each other (Ok, one is Symbian, but still). Nobody can blame them for copy/paste anymore. Another complaint was that the tech seen in Japan is not seen in worldwide SE models. Well, guess what? the Aino looks 'n feels a LOT like the Japanese phones (A factor that I love). Lets not forget motion gaming in Yari, which was another japan only deal.
The Aino is everything I wanted in my next phone. I hope it has touch support in the browser, as it'd make life easier for me. Sure, it doesn't have everything under the sun, a kitchen sink and a cellar to lock the mother-in-law away, but it does have all the right bits to keep me happy.
Looks like I found my next phone.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-05-29 10:46 ]
Posted by obakesan
On 2009-05-28 23:14:19, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
On 2009-05-28 22:33:21, not_me wrote:
somewhere it was said that you can't use the touch screen to browse the menus,
but only for media and camera features !
I don't believe that for a second. That would mean that you need the slider out for everything because the navigation keys are on the slider. Sony Ericsson wouldn't do that. I'm very sure that what you heard wasn't true.
It waits to be seen, but it is looking true, even the Press Release on SE website says the following:
"Sony Ericsson today showcases Aino. Get the best of two worlds with the keypad combined with an intuitive touch UI in media mode"
I think they missed another trick here, I doubt it would be that much to include touch in the main menu and keep the keypad for texting and stuff.
Cheers,
Posted by idumbakumar
Even i don't need touch ui everywhere thats ok. But for me missing thing is d-pad in front thats it i dont even care about 3'5mm.
Then does this phone supports 31hrs of music playbak with wireless headset? I think its only for device right? Then what about video recording?
I like the wireless headset will it be available separately? Does it have display as HBH DS980?
Sorry for the killing quests!
Posted by synn
On 2009-05-29 11:58:42, idumbakumar wrote:
Even i don't need touch ui everywhere thats ok. But for me missing thing is d-pad in front thats it i dont even care about 3'5mm.
Then does this phone supports 31hrs of music playbak with wireless headset? I think its only for device right? Then what about video recording?
I like the wireless headset will it be available separately? Does it have display as HBH DS980?
Sorry for the killing quests!
Again, I don't see what the problem is with the D pad inside. I've always found the 2 key unlock routine very cumbersome and sliding the handset out is always quicker.
As for the other questions, we all would have to wait till things get clearer.
Posted by goldenface
On 2009-05-29 11:25:27, synn wrote:
For once, I wish people on forums would start looking at what IS there instead on going on a hunt for what ISN'T.
Amen to that!
Pure class! Can't wait!
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-05-29 11:26 ]
Posted by 10123
I think what would completley put me of is the main menu itself wasnt touchscreen, because i wouldnt want to slide my phone up to press menu then click media then slide it back down to use the touch function, same applies to the camera as well.
Posted by not_me
I don't understand why some here think that limiting the touchscreen functionality is a good move. Okay, there might be people who may not need or like using touch for browsing the normal menus, but that just should be a choice left to the customer and his own preferences. Why they had to absolutely restrict something which could have been included so easily is plain stupid. Also the fact that they put the D-Pad and call-keys underneath the slider is another stupid move, as the only argument speaking for that IMO is the height difference between the slider parts, which for myself (W910 user) at least wouldn't be a problem. Yet on the other hand I can think of many disadvantages, like having to slide open the phone to take calls and not to forget the way they have implemented the key-lock feature so far (I couldn't find an extra lock key). For example if you only want to listen to music, with your phone in your pocket, then use the touch functionality to switch tracks or browse your music library, you would need to slide it open every time you actually wanna use the touchscreen
Anyway it is way to long slided out, I mean it looks a bit weird and what about the balance of the phone in your hand. These things were definitely a bad choice IMHO, they lost me as a customer.
PS: people seeing no keys on the front will automatically presume it is a touchscreen phone, additionally a lot of shops in my country advertise the tec-specs wrong and in the end people will just be pissed if it turns out to be limited in that way.
Posted by synn
On 2009-05-29 12:31:48, 10123 wrote:
I think what would completley put me of is the main menu itself wasnt touchscreen, because i wouldnt want to slide my phone up to press menu then click media then slide it back down to use the touch function, same applies to the camera as well.
From what I read, the phone is in media mode when the slider is closed, so touch is enabled by default. Only when you need to use the phone functions do you need to open the slider, and touch switches off at this point.
On 2009-05-29 12:40:27, not_me wrote:
I don't understand why some here think that limiting the touchscreen functionality is a good move.
Actually, this sort of a menu structure has been seen before in Japan and China and isn't too badly received there, IIRC.
On 2009-05-29 12:40:27, not_me wrote:
Yet on the other hand I can think of many disadvantages, like having to slide open the phone to take calls and not to forget the way they have implemented the key-lock feature so far (I couldn't find an extra lock key).
I'd rather take a 3" screen with a D-pad under the slider than a 2.6" one with the D-pad next to it. Also, as I mentioned before, me (and a lot of slider users) slide the phone out for menu use. Hell, it takes no more effort than opening a flip.
On 2009-05-29 12:40:27, not_me wrote:
For example if you only want to listen to music, with your phone in your pocket, then use the touch functionality to switch tracks or browse your music library, you would need to slide it open every time you actually wanna use the touchscreen
Dedicated music controls are present on the bluetooth adapter. You don't have to touch the phone at all.
Anyway it is way to long slided out, I mean it looks a bit weird and what about the balance of the phone in your hand. These things were definitely a bad choice IMHO, they lost me as a customer.
Again, its no bigger than a japanese phone, from what I see. Also, how would you know about balance etc. until you actually hold one in your hands? Let's not rush into conclusions, shall we?
PS: people seeing no keys on the front will automatically presume it is a touchscreen phone, additionally a lot of shops in my country advertise the tec-specs wrong and in the end people will just be pissed if it turns out to be limited in that way.
I have absolutely no comments on this.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-05-29 11:50 ]
Posted by not_me
On 2009-05-29 12:31:48, 10123 wrote:
I think what would completely put me of is the main menu itself wasnt touchscreen, because i wouldnt want to slide my phone up to press menu then click media then slide it back down to use the touch function, same applies to the camera as well.
You know what would be even funnier is that every time, like on other
slide phones, when you slide down the key-lock is activated and in the end you can only use the whole phone when slided out
Posted by Platia1
So, judging by the icons in the Multimedia Menu there is no touch Web Browser
This is incredibly disappointing.
Otherwise, it has some very nice features
Posted by mediar
I think the decision to change the places of the a/A,+ and ,_, is very stupid. It was something unique in SE. The limited the touchscreen functionality is very stupid too. So everytime I want to go somewhere in the menus I have to open the phone. But why??? There is touchscreen for that. Why don't SE use it???
I just can't explain myself.
Posted by se_love
On 2009-05-29 13:10:21, mediar wrote:
I think the decision to change the places of the a/A,+ and ,_, is very stupid. It was something unique in SE. The limited the touchscreen functionality is very stupid too. So everytime I want to go somewhere in the menus I have to open the phone. But why??? There is touchscreen for that. Why don't SE use it???
I just can't explain myself.
It has a dual meaning. When you have the phone closed its your "ultimate" media tablet with music videos photos games(picture and video recording is hopefully here as well) with a touchscreen phone but when you open it its your phone for everything from texting to calling to web browsing. Smart move imo.
Posted by ramintop
I cant believe some people here like synn (hi synn
) are defending SE for such a stupid decision! you have a touchscreen but you cant use it except in the media menu! its a PHONE not an mp3 player! 
Posted by synn
On 2009-05-29 13:16:33, ramintop wrote:
I cant believe some people here like synn (hi synn
) are defending SE for such a stupid decision! you have a touchscreen but you cant use it except in the media menu! its a PHONE not an mp3 player!
Hi Ramintop
: I'm not defending, I'm just not seeing the big deal. I only wanted touch for media and web browsing. Tactile menu navigation is just fine by me.
Yes, it's a PHONE. And PHONES are operated quicker with tactile controls. Touch is ideal for PMPs. And jusdging by what I'm seeing, I'm getting the best of both worlds.
Posted by se_love
On 2009-05-29 13:20:58, synn wrote:
On 2009-05-29 13:16:33, ramintop wrote:
I cant believe some people here like synn (hi synn
) are defending SE for such a stupid decision! you have a touchscreen but you cant use it except in the media menu! its a PHONE not an mp3 player!
Hi Ramintop
: I'm not defending, I'm just not seeing the big deal. I only wanted touch for media and web browsing. Tactile menu navigation is just fine by me.
Yes, it's a PHONE. And PHONES are operated quicker with tactile controls. Touch is ideal for PMPs. And jusdging by what I'm seeing, I'm getting the best of both worlds.
You are indeed. Tactile button work for phone touch for media and everything about it. I think the lack of a web browser is a bit of a bad move otherwise they made this have 2 faces. A very smart move and a move a lot of companies cannot seem to comprehend as a smart one. You are all just spoiled by technology and cannot see the true power of this.
Posted by iqtidar
On 2009-05-29 13:20:58, synn wrote:
On 2009-05-29 13:16:33, ramintop wrote:
I cant believe some people here like synn (hi synn
) are defending SE for such a stupid decision! you have a touchscreen but you cant use it except in the media menu! its a PHONE not an mp3 player!
Hi Ramintop
: I'm not defending, I'm just not seeing the big deal. I only wanted touch for media and web browsing. Tactile menu navigation is just fine by me.
Yes, it's a PHONE. And PHONES are operated quicker with tactile controls. Touch is ideal for PMPs. And jusdging by what I'm seeing, I'm getting the best of both worlds.
that is not right.. u can operate fone faster with touch screen.. u just touch the icon without having to use the damn d-pad to scroll to the icon that u wish to click.
Posted by synn
On 2009-05-29 13:24:44, iqtidar wrote:
On 2009-05-29 13:20:58, synn wrote:
On 2009-05-29 13:16:33, ramintop wrote:
I cant believe some people here like synn (hi synn
) are defending SE for such a stupid decision! you have a touchscreen but you cant use it except in the media menu! its a PHONE not an mp3 player!
Hi Ramintop
: I'm not defending, I'm just not seeing the big deal. I only wanted touch for media and web browsing. Tactile menu navigation is just fine by me.
Yes, it's a PHONE. And PHONES are operated quicker with tactile controls. Touch is ideal for PMPs. And jusdging by what I'm seeing, I'm getting the best of both worlds.
that is not right.. u can operate fone faster with touch screen.. u just touch the icon without having to use the damn d-pad to scroll to the icon that u wish to click.
Eh, I mentioned before, I always use the numeric shortcuts for menu scrolling. No touch can match that.
Posted by goldenface
Hands on.
Aino
Posted by 10123
On 2009-05-29 13:26:35, synn wrote:
On 2009-05-29 13:24:44, iqtidar wrote:
On 2009-05-29 13:20:58, synn wrote:
On 2009-05-29 13:16:33, ramintop wrote:
I cant believe some people here like synn (hi synn
) are defending SE for such a stupid decision! you have a touchscreen but you cant use it except in the media menu! its a PHONE not an mp3 player!
Hi Ramintop
: I'm not defending, I'm just not seeing the big deal. I only wanted touch for media and web browsing. Tactile menu navigation is just fine by me.
Yes, it's a PHONE. And PHONES are operated quicker with tactile controls. Touch is ideal for PMPs. And jusdging by what I'm seeing, I'm getting the best of both worlds.
that is not right.. u can operate fone faster with touch screen.. u just touch the icon without having to use the damn d-pad to scroll to the icon that u wish to click.
Eh, I mentioned before, I always use the numeric shortcuts for menu scrolling. No touch can match that.
I beg to differ, its just the same.
Posted by mediar
SE's site says you can make video calls with the main camera.
Posted by se_love
That was perfect! Exaclty how I would imagine it. Touchscreen super wonderful media center and perfect button controlling for phone mode. And its not that big. Perfect for your hand. They did a wonderful job I do not see the need to complain.
Posted by goldenface
I'm loving the UI. A3 was worth waiting for IMO. Media has had a facelift.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-05-29 13:12 ]
Posted by 10123
So if i have a PS3 does it mean i can access it on my aino anywhere in the world ???
Posted by mode
Strategically, i think SE has screwed up yet again by not giving it all and holding back on features by introducing limited tc. But technically, i understand how they're establishing a distinction between a media powerhouse and a simple phone, they've done it before on their R-series and P-series. And furthermore they are trying to keep things simple by leaving out an OS from the device. For a full touch interface, an OS will obviously be needed. I'm actually ok with the idea of tc for media only since it's primarily a media device so there'll probably be a llot of menus accessible through touch interface. People will always want more like accellerometer outside of media. Ask any Nokia user, they'll tell you they switch it off all the time because it's annoying to have things autorotate everywhere when you don't want them to. It's actually a very sensible move to keep them in media, some just want it because Nokia and some other manufacturers have it. Back on topic, yeah, a good mistake by SE
Posted by se_love
So wait let me get this straight. I am the only one who thinks it is a smart move by SE to seperate touch control to media(taking and viewing photos, watching and recording videos, games and such) and the alphanumeric pad to regular phone mode?
Posted by mediar
@se_love - yes, you are. This was said directly in one of the previous pages.
@mode - do you remember Z558? http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_z558-1723.php
Posted by pt020
I thought the web browser will work with the touchscreen but now i read that it will not ... pity
on my P1i it is the main fun to use the web browser with the touchscreen.
Posted by se_love
On 2009-05-29 14:49:06, mediar wrote:
@se_love - yes, you are. This was said directly in one of the previous pages.
Ah well. I dunno why tho Japan can be all fine and dandy with it while we who are a bit more back in cell phone design and such can't. Amazes me. Stuff in Japan should stay in Japan only cause we whine too much. Aino is an example.
Posted by goldenface
more
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-05-29 14:04 ]
Posted by se_love
On 2009-05-29 15:02:58, goldenface wrote:
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[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-05-29 14:04 ]
You know, Aino pleases me a lot. God damn you SE and your powers to stun me while everyone hates it.
Posted by hihihans
Full support for se-love
I'm gonna get me one when its out. YES!