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Posted by synn

On 2009-06-15 15:12:45, Boinng wrote:

On 2009-06-15 14:54:31, se_love wrote:
While not all aren't limited some are.


And the question continues to be - why?



Because the sun rises in the east. There . Are ya happy?


This whining is getting really tiresome. Look, every single person here is blessed with free will. if you don't like it, don't buy it. It's as simple as that. Some people like this concept for what it is and they sure as hell don't need you or the likes of you to put words in their mouth. Like I said before, if it comes out with full touch, well and good. If it doesn't, I still like it. If one simply can't live without full touch in an SE, get a Satio and stop complaining.

Nobody's justifying anything. People who like the Aino are just stating so. Why can't the likes of you ever learn to live and let live?



Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-06-15 16:53:34, synn wrote:
This whining is getting really tiresome. Look, every single person here is blessed with free will. if you don't like it, don't buy it.


Seriously, this is a forum, it's a place where people exchange ideas and opinions and some of those opinions will be contrary to yours, there isn't anything you can do about that. If you like something great, if other people don't like it and want to point out why it's wrong, that's great too, that's what forums were invented for. Welcome to the internet!

Posted by goldenface
The UI looks great, its based on A2 and that is what I'm used to. Never had any problems with it in the past and with Aino its been enhanced by a extra touch based camera and media menu. The A2 UI wasn't crippled without the touch enhancements before so how can it be crippled now? The W995 isn't 'crippled', neither is the C905.

With or without the touch I'd still get it just for the screen and PS3 interoperability.

Anyway, roll on Week 40.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-06-15 16:16 ]


Posted by synn

On 2009-06-15 17:05:14, Boinng wrote:
Seriously, this is a forum, it's a place where people exchange ideas and opinions and some of those opinions will be contrary to yours, there isn't anything you can do about that. If you like something great, if other people don't like it and want to point out why it's wrong, that's great too, that's what forums were invented for. Welcome to the internet!



Form. Exchange ideas. Opinions. Well and good.
Proclaiming your view point as the only one that is right and basically calling everyone else who has an opposing PoV as idiots? Not so much.



Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-06-15 17:14:06, synn wrote:
Form. Exchange ideas. Opinions. Well and good.
Proclaiming your view point as the only one that is right and basically calling everyone else who has an opposing PoV as idiots? Not so much.


Well I for one think it's great you're developing a little self awareness, so best of luck with that..

Posted by synn


Well I for one think it's great you're developing a little self awareness, so best of luck with that..



Right back atcha.

Posted by domipost
Guys, just stop

As we all agree (according to the above posts) this forum isn't for fighting or whatever

Posted by 10123

On 2009-06-15 07:04:29, se_love wrote:
For the last ffs they weren't doing things half assed. They were probably trying to see what the respone to such a Japanese style phone in technology will be and if it will sell well. As we can see too many people are touch screen trolls so it isn't going to go anywhere with sales.


They are honest, dont be blinded by your love of all things se. Se are obviously behind, why else would they release a half touch screen phone?? And NO its not to test the market, whats the point in having touch there if you can barley use it???

Posted by hihihans
Just for fun like the touch buttons on K850 & C902 . Nobody needs it but it makes things more fun.

Posted by gola
^^...that doesn't count, those touch sensitive areas aren't on the screen....

Posted by Tsepz_GP
To me this is SE simply killing a phone with great potential, it annoys me to see SOOO much potential wasted by SE not making it a full touch, whats so hard? Were they too lazy?

Posted by se_dude
You will know more about it tomorrow. So lets just wait a while.

Posted by synn

On 2009-06-16 03:31:00, se_dude wrote:
You will know more about it tomorrow.



Whoa! Was anything leaked?

Posted by se_dude
Well no.but i have a hunch.

Posted by hihihans
you get a proto?

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-06-15 16:53:34, synn wrote:
Like I said before, if it comes out with full touch, well and good.



On 2009-06-16 03:31:00, se_dude wrote:
You will know more about it tomorrow. So lets just wait a while.


I love how even the "fans" of this design are hinting and wishing it's going to change... but I don't see how they could have released review handsets without the UI fundamentals being final, do you?

Posted by synn
You mean PREVIEW handsets.

Posted by anonymuser
So would they release PREVIEW handsets with a funadamentally different interface to the one planned, without explaining to any of the previewers that they intended to make significant changes before release? Genuine question. What do you think?

Posted by synn

On 2009-06-16 10:40:32, Boinng wrote:
So would they release PREVIEW handsets with a funadamentally different interface to the one planned, without explaining to any of the previewers that they intended to make significant changes before release? Genuine question. What do you think?



In the hypothetical situation that the handset gets full touch, there is no "Fundamental difference" to the UI. It looks the same, except there is now touch support across menus. The Idou and the very first WinMo 6.5 sets that the press played with had UIs that were a lot less developed than this.

As I remember; GSMArena etc. stressed (as they do with all previews) that the handset is a pre-production unit and things can change.

Posted by anonymuser
In one scenario I can select any item in any menu with my finger on the screen, with the slider closed. In the other scenario I can only do this in one menu, and all other menus require me to open the slider and use the directional pad. To me, that's quite a fundamental difference in the UI, but perhaps things are different on your planet.

Posted by synn
You know exactly what I meant. Stop trolling and looking for confrontations.

Posted by anonymuser
What an odd thing to say - yes I knew what you meant, and I disagreed with what you meant, as in the post above. I believe a shift to full touch would be a fundamental change to the UI and I can't believe that they would be planning that while releasing the phone to previewers in its current state without making it categorically clear to them that a full touch UI would be present in the finished model. Otherwise the preview is pointless, and has simply garnered them a lot of bad reviews for no reason.

The Idou previews all commented on the fact that the interface was clearly unfinished, but backed that up with information (provided by SE) on the version of Symbian the phone was likely to end up running. Nobody criticised the UI as it was since it was made abundantly clear it was largely a mockup, with even the name of the phone still open to change. The Aino "previews" are quite different.

Posted by synn

First of all, no one knows what SE plans to do with the Aino, nor what the reviewers know under NDA terms. Therefore it's quite pointless to speculate on these matters at this juncture. Previews are always done with whatever hardware that is available at that point and yes, some people consider that as useless and wait for an actual review.

In case you're not convinced, here's a quote from GSM Arena on the Aino UI:

"Now we are not quite sure if this should be the planned behavior of the menu, but that's the way it is at this point."


http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_aino-review-355p4.php

Making things categorically clear while handing over a prototype pretty much nullifies the whole point of R&D.

Posted by anonymuser
And here's that paragraph in full:

It's the new Media menu, which is… controlled by touch. What's even more - the only way to interact with it is by touch, so if you slide the keyboard open for example, thinking of little D-pad action there, you would be out of luck. In such cases the new Media menu just closes immediately by itself. Now we are not quite sure if this should be the planned behavior of the menu, but that's the way it is at this point


Making it quite clear they're not talking about the general principle of touch controls, but the specific issue of the media menu closing itself when the slider is opened, which may well be a bug.

Here's another quote from the same review -

We liked the idea of the touch-enabled multimedia menu, but touch-enabling the whole user interface seems a much nicer option to us. But again, that would bring up numerous other challenges that will need solving.


Seems to me they're well aware of the direction this UI has taken, and SE's reasons for not pursuing anything further. I do like your idea of an NDA though - "here chaps, review this phone, but under this NDA you cannot reveal that it's going to be any good. Bad reviews only please - ta".
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-06-16 10:54 ]


Posted by synn
Making it quite clear they're not talking about the general principle of touch controls, but the specific issue of the media menu closing itself when the slider is opened, which may well be a bug.


It has everything to do with the main menu too. At this point, the Aino's media menu and phone functions are set as two separate functions and this is why the media menu closes when you open the slider (One of the insiders pointed this out in the rumours thread). Then may change this and extend the touch to the main menu/ dpad to the media men. but I wouldn't know until its out. neither would you.

...and I like YOUR idea of a timepass though. "Here chaps, here's the same post that I've made a dozen odd times by now. This is my PoV and I won't change it even if jesus.H.Christ almighty comes down and tells me personally; but you're free to take the bait and make my day. Toodles".

...and this is why I don't wanna bother debating with you. You are under the impression that you can think from within the collective heads of the SE R&D dept. GSM Arena team and yours truly. Call me when you can do this constructively.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-06-16 11:07 ]


Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-06-16 12:03:21, synn wrote:
It has everything to do with the main menu too. At this point, the Aino's media menu and phone functions are set as two separate functions and this is why the media menu closes when you open the slider (One of the insiders pointed this out in the rumours thread). Then may change this and extend the touch to the main menu/ dpad to the media men. but I wouldn't know until its out. neither would you.


Give me one good reason why, when SE chose to hand these preview phones out to reviewers, they didn't simply state "the touch functions will be extended to other menus when it's out"? Why, if that was top secret and subject to an NDA, would they allow the phone to "previewed" in such depth at all? Why, if the phone is simply unfinished and SE don't know how's it going to turn out yet, would they even announce the model - let alone hand prototypes out?

Either the UI on this phone is simply the way it is, or SE have massively screwed up in allowing all these poor reviews to be published without the full facts. Either way, it's a massive misjudgment on SE's part. Isn't it?


Posted by synn

Give me one good reason why, when SE chose to hand these preview phones out to reviewers, they didn't simply state "the touch functions will be extended to other menus when it's out"? Why, if that was top secret and subject to an NDA, would they allow the phone to "previewed" in such depth at all? Why, if the phone is simply unfinished and SE don't know how's it going to turn out yet, would they even announce the model - let alone hand prototypes out?

Either the UI on this phone is simply the way it is, or SE have massively screwed up in allowing all these poor reviews to be published without the full facts. Either way, it's a massive misjudgment on SE's part. Isn't it?


Because their R&D may be working on it as the phone was unveiled and it's too early to tell if the OS can be fully ported to touch use? Maybe because they wanted to present a proof of concept first? There still ARE a few months before the phone is on sale, isn't there? If it was as good as ready, they'd be selling it right now, wouldn't they?

There is no massive screwup. Microsoft allowed the blogs to use and feel WinMo 6.5's UI way before it was complete. palm allowed people to write first impressions of the pre while the WebOS was still in infancy. They were all incomplete in their own way. And that is the reason why these articles are called first looks/ previews and not reviews.

Posted by 10123
Look guys, we will all tommorow, there is some confrence thing which talks abou the aino/Yari/idou, that is where they will give any more info regarding the aino. Tbh i expect se to announce the aino will have a full touchscreen but i doubt very much that the interface will change at all, why else would they change the settings menu to "list" instead of the currents tabs menu

Posted by hihihans
Tomorow tomorow there's always tomorow. Then what? We'll start this discussion all over again? Hihi looking forward to it!

Posted by goldenface
I've always said its best to wait to see the final edition and how it performs. Speculation at this stage is nothing but rumour talk - I should know!

Posted by hihihans
Yeah I remember huge discussions about the colors for K750. Sofia was also praised and doomed before release, so, keep going. I'm enjoying it (most of the time)

Posted by goldenface
^^ That bronze coloured version of the K750 never did see the light of day did it?

As long as there is a white version of Aino then there is no beef on my part.

Posted by hihihans
I go for white too. Wonder what they'll say today.

Posted by hihihans
Is it me or was there nothing at that event?

Posted by tonyitalian
so the aino now has full touch capability? or still limited?


Posted by mediar
I don't think Aino will ever have full touch capability.

Posted by tonyitalian
which 1 do u think is better?
aino or satio?
does the satio have the same OS as the p 910 and 990 etc???
does anyone know how the texting and the emailing is on the satio without a real keyboard?
is it easy to type or not so good?? tats the reason i never buy a fully touch screen phone....

Posted by mode
As I said before, it's not a smartphone with limited touch. It's a feature phone with touch capabilities and I seriously feel there's nothing wrong in that. Perhaps unpopular among touchscreen fans and SE fans who expect more (myself included), but absolutely fine if it's confined to Media only. But it would be silly though if they didn't make the browser touch capable as well epecially if it is viewed in landscape and you have this long thing to hold with the D-pad so far away. I'd definitely buy it if the browser has touch interface.

Posted by hihihans
Be patient my friends. We'll see.

Posted by 10123
THE INTERENT ON THE AINO IS TOUCH SCREEN

Scroll to 4minutes 15seconds on the video, and when he clicks on the internet button two differet icons come up on the bottom lef & right on the screen, and he touches the icons on the screen and that leads him back to the main menu, these are touch screen, the internet must have touch support why else would new touch buttons appear on th screen on the interent???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z4lXsTfcns

Posted by drinki
Icons that appear on internet mode simply correspond to softkey functions, and no, the icon on the screen does not take him back to main manu, he quickly pressed the back button soon after. Open yer eyes

Posted by mediar
Yes, drinki is right. So here comes the true title:
THE INTERENT ON THE AINO IS NOT TOUCH SCREEN

10123, Aino will never get full touchscreen, so stop looking about that.

Posted by 10123
GREAT NEWS

THE AINO WILL BE RELEASED IN JULY WHOOOO


http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/news/coming-soon
[ This Message was edited by: 10123 on 2009-07-03 19:17 ]


Posted by goldenface
Really? Thats 3 months earlier than expected. Strange.



This looks to be a massive hit with it's Playstation interoperability. Really can't wait for this to come out now! I hope they haven't got their facts wrong.


[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-07-03 20:01 ]


Posted by tranced
it says:

Expected
July 2009
Expected date is subject to change without notice

so dont be too sure about it

Posted by 10123

On 2009-07-03 20:45:49, goldenface wrote:
Really? Thats 3 months earlier than expected. Strange.


This message was posted from a WAP device

Yeah wud have thought so, CPW unlikley to get it wrong, there too big too make mistakes

Posted by goldenface
I was expecting it October/November. It sort of makes me suspect they have other phones lined up for announcement later on this year that they want to launch quickly. Lord only knows how much they NEED to get these new phones out ASAP, which is why this has been brought forward.

When you think about it, Aino isn't that much different from the W995 - it just has an enhanced media menu so there is nothing additional in my eyes that should take a lot of effort to get right. The Media home application - developed for the PSP - should be good-to-go already.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-07-03 20:11 ]


Posted by KU
Look at samsung man ...

Posted by goldenface
Nah, mate. I've seen what Samsung has to offer and Satio and the Pre. I'm not a heavy user but I do like to access my home media wherever I am. I used to love Orb on my P990i because it give me access to my media from wherever I was but it wasn't as good as it could have been.

I'm loving Aino's wireless media update from my home network and Aino is just the ticket - Satio is looking expensive but we'll see

Posted by KU
I just want the Aino to be out in August to counter the jet and Pixon12 with it's nHD( ) camcording and Plastation functionnality which offer to this phone a real unlinmited entertainment over the connection with the PS3 and even if the screen is just a half touch yet, It could be upgraded because the ^protos don't even works properly, but the Satio coming in october is a fate because Sony is just gonna release it's lenses in September it will be the best quality image so far but I am still waiting to LG and Nokia toc be sure of that.
Yari could be launch whenever they want because it will be a failure lol

I SE


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