Posted by tetouan
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Posted by Luhccas-U1a
On 2009-06-08 10:52:09, mediar wrote:
Wait for Aino, of course!
How is the camera of Aino - is it the same as W995?
I hope not...
Posted by synn
On 2009-06-08 12:47:10, luhccas-c905 wrote:
On 2009-06-08 10:52:09, mediar wrote:
Wait for Aino, of course!
How is the camera of Aino - is it the same as W995?
I hope not...
Huh?
Anyway, it is the same camera, in all probability.
Posted by Xajel
Aino is a very good phone, I won't discuss it's advantages as every one has already did, but I want to mention one disadvantage I noticed, Aino the high-end phone with Entertainment unlimited brand, doesn't support the TV-Out cable like C905 !!
any way, I don't see this as a big disadvantage as we already lived long without it, but being Entertainment Unlimited branded and in about the same level of high-end_ish as C905 without supporting such a feature is something strange, I feel that Aino deserve this feature more than C905 !!
Posted by goldenface
Can't say I've ever found the need to use it. I have a digital photo frame that can access the photos on the C905 via DLNA and it should work with Aino just as well.
I'm sort of hoping Aino can access the media on my laptop wirelessly, in the same way as the Remote Play feature accesses content on the PS3, but I doubt it will be able too.
Posted by Xajel
On 2009-06-08 20:00:19, goldenface wrote:
Can't say I've ever found the need to use it. I have a digital photo frame that can access the photos on the C905 via DLNA and it should work with Aino just as well.
I'm sort of hoping Aino can access the media on my laptop wirelessly, in the same way as the Remote Play feature accesses content on the PS3, but I doubt it will be able too.
The problem is not all TV's has dLNA, infact most of them doesnt...
I think
has a program that you can install in your PC that will offer access to your media throught network, this is what I understand from the announcement
Posted by mediar
So Aino doesn't support TV-Out cable?
From where do you know this?
Posted by Xajel
@goldenface, yes
has it the software name is Media go, you wont need any video converting software in order to convert videos to specific fps or screen size as the software will take the job
and yes you can download it now
http://www.sonycreativesoftwa[....]/default_enu.asp?page=download
I'm downloading it now, but I'll take some time as it weight about 118MB and I'm running out of bandwidth so speed is very low
Posted by goldenface
I have downloaded it already, sometime last week, but it just allows you to synch you MediaGo library with the media on your phone and also download podcasts and upload them to your phone automatically, but your phone does need to be connected by cable - it doesn't happen wirelessly.
Aino will come with something called Media Home which synchs your phone's media automatically via WiFi as soon as you are within range of your router.
Here is the Media Go thread.
Posted by Xajel
On 2009-06-08 21:07:04, mediar wrote:
So Aino doesn't support TV-Out cable? From where do you know this?
So Aino doesn't support TV-Out cable?
From where do you know this?The Tv-Out cable is not in the compatible accessories list on
site, + I contacted and the guy confirmed that.
Posted by emzee_ali
Hey guys!!
One quick question regarding Meida Go!! Can Media Go be used with Old A200 phones such as W890i?
Thanks!!
Posted by goldenface
On 2009-06-09 13:21:54, emzee_ali wrote:
Hey guys!!
One quick question regarding Meida Go!! Can Media Go be used with Old A200 phones such as W890i?
Thanks!!
I should imagine so. I have an older K850i I can check with so I'll let you know later, if no-one else has tried for you.
Posted by 10123
Phone arena have posted a preview, which is quite negative towards the phone.
"We do not like the concept of this device. On one hand you have this large screen and on the other it cannot be used for proper phone navigation. Like we said, we have already seen this on the LG Secret and KS360 (Neon). The thing is their displays are really small and wouldn’t be comfortable for use with your bare fingers anyway. In our opinion, the Sony Ericsson Aino should have been something similar to the LG KF700 – device that features a fully functional touch sensitive screen with the keypad being just an alternative option for people who doesn’t like pressing the screen or would rather type away without using it. Honestly, the phone looks like based on an ill-conceived concept at the moment. "
"It´s quite an irony that the camera can only be operated with slider closed, meaning you can easily end up navigating the menus (Aino is open), selecting the camera function, then having to close the slider to take pictures then opening the slider to get to the menus again when you have finished. Not really intuitive!"
Totally agree with the review of it.
Posted by mediar
Sadly I agree too. Can't they make the camera to be used while the phone is open
Posted by KU
This phone really need to have a full touch interface to be a n°1
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Expect more reviews like that,it shouldn't be suprising to anyone.Uh oh,id hate to see what Eldar says if he reviews this one.
Posted by goldenface
Believe me, with this phone you will definitely get into the habit of taking pictures with the phone closed.
The ergonomics of the phone call for it to be held in both hands, and with the slider closed, when taking a picture. Like the C905 - and especially with this phone because it is longer - you will very rarely take a picture with the phone open, its just too long and unwieldly.
I never take a picture with my C905 with the phone open. However, even on the C905, if you want to take a picture from the main menu, you still have to take the time to open the lens cover.
Anyway, might this use the same sensor as the C905. I remember before the C905 was released that it was capable of VGA recording but it got scaled back at the last minute.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-06-10 22:36 ]
Posted by ron.jeremy
The more i read about this device, the more stupid it gets.
It feels like a rushed device, it looks great, but having a semi touch UI, with such a low resolution LCD, i mean, it should've been to the marked a year ago imo.
I'm not impressed.
I much rather have a touch OSE without the keypad and with the Satio cam, in a metal body, and i want it towards x-mas.
Satio wouldn't do it for me either, S60V5 looks bland, let's see how much SEMC have fixed the UI.
But i rather have a capasitive 3.2" touch device with OSE UI in a stylish body, than some hugh 3.5" LCD in a big body
Are you listening SEMC?
Posted by mediar
I don't think the resolution is low. It's 432x240.
Compare it to 320x240 - more that 100 pixels longer. And it's 3.0". It's just big. However, there is place enough for 3.2", but...
Posted by ron.jeremy
On 2009-06-11 11:01:04, mediar wrote:
I don't think the resolution is low. It's 432x240.
Compare it to 320x240 - more that 100 pixels longer. And it's 3.0". It's just big. However, there is place enough for 3.2", but...
Ok?
This is supposed to be a high end device right?
Then give me one example of another high end touch device with worse resolution than this.
Posted by >500
samsung ultra touch is 240x400 ron.
yes its 2.8" amoled, but you did ask for another high end device
and it IS a high end handset.
Posted by Luci'sPower
Lg Renoir 240x400 pixels 3 inches
and the screen is one of the best i've seen in that size
Pixon 3,2 inches 240x400 pixels
etc.
I had to edit forgot one Samsung T929 Memoir 3 inches 240x400 again great screen
[ This Message was edited by: Luci'sPower on 2009-06-11 10:51 ]
Posted by Tsepz_GP
The SAMSUNG Omnia WM6 also 240x400, and thats in a 3.2inch screen and still looks good. But i agree with ron the semi touch lol its been mentioned here over and over again that it should be full touch.
Posted by mediar
Another review of Aino:
http://www.phonearena.com/htm[....]ino-Preview-review-r_2186.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie5ZwJVczK4
This time it's not that laggy that it was. However, it's works slower that is has to.
We will not have equalizer or other music settings in the new player.
[ This Message was edited by: mediar on 2009-06-12 07:00 ]
Posted by RockHell
I cant wait for this to be released
Posted by Tsepz_GP
No equalizer or other music settings? Are you sure, thats absolutely ridiculous of SE if thats true, maybe its just like that in the prototype.
Posted by goldenface
Grrrrr! Not that I play around with them much anyway (the equaliser settings that is) but its nice to have the choice. Lets hope they appear in the commercial versions.
Posted by >500
why do people seem to forget these new phones being reviewed are PROTOS!!!!!!!
Posted by NightBlade
On 2009-06-12 06:36:15, mediar wrote:
Another review of Aino:
http://www.phonearena.com/htm[....]ino-Preview-review-r_2186.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie5ZwJVczK4
This time it's not that laggy that it was. However, it's works slower that is has to.
We will not have equalizer or other music settings in the new player.
[ This Message was edited by: mediar on 2009-06-12 07:00 ]
PhoneArena has always been a tad harsh on SE, but I can't deny that I agree with some of their points.
Posted by 10123
@Mizzle, if the Aino will end up featuring a full touch interface will the ui change at all or will it be standard a200 with touch ??
Posted by se_love
Ha you give that phone arena review to Japanese people and they will laugh. I think they have one or two devices which do a similar thing that are not SE but you get my point. This is something that you would see in Japan and imo the west is too spoiled to actually accept and appreciate this phone so it should have sticked for Japan instead. I myself find it a very nice concept and its something that I really love.
Posted by bodeh6
Yeah I like that about Aino. Very Japanese in look.
Posted by KU
I hope this phone will be something like an updated version of the KF700 (like said by phonearena guy's) because this phone looks in an early state (Phonearena again) and is looks very amazing (more than my
995) so if se could just put the long awaited A3(d?) on this phone I (and many others ) will defenitly spend my money on it
I
se 
Posted by gola
I honestly can't remember the last time I entered the camera app on any of my phones through the menu, I doubt most people do either... I just press n hold the cam button, which is much faster anyway. So I don't get the big deal about this, I guess it would've been better if Aino had a shutter...
Posted by synn
On 2009-06-14 01:53:37, gola wrote:
I honestly can't remember the last time I entered the camera app on any of my phones through the menu, I doubt most people do either... I just press n hold the cam button, which is much faster anyway. So I don't get the big deal about this, I guess it would've been better if Aino had a shutter...
Actually, the Aino doesn't need the user to go to the menu for camera use, at all. Touch the icon in the multimedia menu and one is good to go. One of the youtube videos showed this. I think it was the CNET one. Not sure.
It'd be good for SE to remove the camera and the media icons from the main menu so that people don't get confused and pass incorrect verdicts.
Posted by driftmania
On 2009-06-13 20:46:03, se_love wrote:
Ha you give that phone arena review to Japanese people and they will laugh. I think they have one or two devices which do a similar thing that are not SE but you get my point. This is something that you would see in Japan and imo the west is too spoiled to actually accept and appreciate this phone so it should have sticked for Japan instead. I myself find it a very nice concept and its something that I really love.
They will laugh because of the crippled touchscreen this thing has. I don't recall them having crippled touchscreens, but they do have phones with the same design but with the touchscreen working all the time.
Posted by roanmy
^
You only see it as crippled because you're used to something else. Phones with only "semi-touch" like this one do exist in Japan.
What I am wondering is if anyone would complain so much if it didn't have a touch-screen at all?
Posted by hihihans
No without touch at all they would not bother. There would be oh's and ah's for the design, D-pad maybe. But moving the D-pad to the front make it just another slider. I see the limited touch as an extra gimmick. Get Satio if you want full touch.
Posted by se_love
On 2009-06-14 10:54:47, roanmy wrote:
^
You only see it as crippled because you're used to something else. Phones with only "semi-touch" like this one do exist in Japan.
What I am wondering is if anyone would complain so much if it didn't have a touch-screen at all?
I have no idea but there would be complaints about the big ass screen. And of course they exist I know what I am talking about.
On 2009-06-14 11:06:44, hihihans wrote:
No without touch at all they would not bother. There would be oh's and ah's for the design, D-pad maybe. But moving the D-pad to the front make it just another slider. I see the limited touch as an extra gimmick. Get Satio if you want full touch.
Its not a gimmick but a way to make your phone a dual thing. Touch for media buttons for phones. And they would have if they wanted to bring the amazing awesomeness of SE in Japan to the world which I love for them at least trying to do so. I dunno it will probably fail but if people knew that this kinda technology is in Japan then they would at least think in a different perspective then oh limited touch whatever that sucks.
Posted by roanmy
It's a good thing atleast some of us focus on the good things, and not the bad things! And I fully agree with getting Satio if one is that bothered by the media-touch.
Posted by se_love
On 2009-06-14 12:10:00, roanmy wrote:
It's a good thing atleast some of us focus on the good things, and not the bad things! And I fully agree with getting Satio if one is that bothered by the media-touch.
If there weren't people like us actually thinking SE had something going on and buying there products then they might have been in a hole. But nah I will never give up on them. You might others might but me never.
Posted by hihihans
There is just something in
that attracts me. Easy to use and mod. Decent build quality. (I like to drop things every now and then) and good design. For Aino its that big screen and the blue ribbon.
Posted by gola
On 2009-06-14 07:31:48, synn wrote:
On 2009-06-14 01:53:37, gola wrote:
I honestly can't remember the last time I entered the camera app on any of my phones through the menu, I doubt most people do either... I just press n hold the cam button, which is much faster anyway. So I don't get the big deal about this, I guess it would've been better if Aino had a shutter...
Actually, the Aino doesn't need the user to go to the menu for camera use, at all. Touch the icon in the multimedia menu and one is good to go. One of the youtube videos showed this. I think it was the CNET one. Not sure.
It'd be good for SE to remove the camera and the media icons from the main menu so that people don't get confused and pass incorrect verdicts.
Posted by hihihans
@ gola Sure its
Posted by driftmania
I'm pretty sure A LOT of people would actually like this phone if SE would actually make the phone full touch. I'm pretty sure there are many people would love using the phone closed for basic things. They should've made it more like the UltraTouch, then it would really get me to like the phone. It just looks like SE did a half-assed job with the touchscreen on this phone, everything else is great, with the inclusion of the desk stand and the BT, but the lack of touchscreen support for the rest of the phone, it kills it for me. This would actually be a great dumbphone if touch was implemented throughout the phone and having a virtual QWERTY would make it a lot more appealing.
Posted by se_love
For the last ffs they weren't doing things half assed. They were probably trying to see what the respone to such a Japanese style phone in technology will be and if it will sell well. As we can see too many people are touch screen trolls so it isn't going to go anywhere with sales.
Posted by driftmania
On 2009-06-15 07:04:29, se_love wrote:
For the last ffs they weren't doing things half assed. They were probably trying to see what the respone to such a Japanese style phone in technology will be and if it will sell well. As we can see too many people are touch screen trolls so it isn't going to go anywhere with sales.
You act like all Japanese touchscreen phones are limited like this, they're not.
The touchscreen on that is implemented throughout the phone.
That one is not limited like the Aino as well.
Those are only some examples of the touchscreen phones that are designed the same, yet their touchscreens are fully functional throughout the phone. And also, SEJ have yet to make a touchscreen phone in Japan yet, and if they released this over there, I doubt it'd sell as well as similar phones from SoftBank, Docomo, or KDDI.
If you do know of a phone that is like the Aino from Japan, you're welcomed to prove me wrong.
[ This Message was edited by: driftmania on 2009-06-15 06:23 ]
Posted by hihihans
15 weeks encounting.
Posted by se_love
On 2009-06-15 07:22:34, driftmania wrote:
On 2009-06-15 07:04:29, se_love wrote:
For the last ffs they weren't doing things half assed. They were probably trying to see what the respone to such a Japanese style phone in technology will be and if it will sell well. As we can see too many people are touch screen trolls so it isn't going to go anywhere with sales.
You act like all Japanese touchscreen phones are limited like this, they're not.
The touchscreen on that is implemented throughout the phone.
That one is not limited like the Aino as well.
Those are only some examples of the touchscreen phones that are designed the same, yet their touchscreens are fully functional throughout the phone. And also, SEJ have yet to make a touchscreen phone in Japan yet, and if they released this over there, I doubt it'd sell as well as similar phones from SoftBank, Docomo, or KDDI.
If you do know of a phone that is like the Aino from Japan, you're welcomed to prove me wrong.
[ This Message was edited by: driftmania on 2009-06-15 06:23 ]
While not all aren't limited some are.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-06-15 14:54:31, se_love wrote:
While not all aren't limited some are.
And the question continues to be - why?
I see no sense in this design at all, and I really couldn't care less if it's big in Japan (which it apparently isn't anyway). If you have a big screen which is touch-enabled and you're asking the user to use that screen to interact with the phone on some levels, it's nonsensical to prevent them from doing the same elsewhere. Why should the user have to switch between touching the screen in one menu and not in the next? It's like using your mouse to point and click on your PC one minute, and then having to drop down into DOS just to read an email. Silly.
For all the justifications given here, in reality this is just a poor concept, and smacks of unfinished software and under-resourced R&D. All the people trying to defend this would be the first to laugh at any other company trying to push such a poorly considered UI.