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Posted by se_love

On 2009-05-31 11:27:21, gola wrote:
Okay, so it's A2, anyone care to answer this question... Mizzle perhaps? Anyone?

On 2009-05-30 15:00:54, gola wrote:
If Aino is still A2, does that mean that the WM player of A2 phones such as the w995 can be updated to v4?


[ This Message was edited by: gola on 2009-05-31 10:28 ]


That was pretty much a given when we found out that it was A2 I think. If this means that the newA2 look could go to phones such as the W995 then I would humbly accept that. So much that i might reconsider a W995 again. Oh this is really hard now to choose a phone. SE has never compelled me so!


Posted by Mizzle
In theory, they could. But we all know won't.

Posted by gola
Great stuff, thanks, I'm sure some clever dude out there can crack the bottle even if rightfully shoudn't...

Posted by se_love

On 2009-05-31 11:49:46, gola wrote:
Great stuff, thanks, I'm sure some clever dude out there can crack the bottle even if rightfully shoudn't...


They rightfully shouldn't update the software on the W995 one of the phones of the year? Yeah okay...Seriously now if they do not which i bet they will then loss for them and for us. But bigger for them. The phone would look outdated.

Posted by bronxdude
clear audio.

Posted by Tsepz_GP
A beauty indeed. BUT SE MUST either give it full touch OR give it a redesign and move that d-pad to the top slider, doubt the latter would happen. I would love to meet the people who thought of limiting the TS AND put the dpad underneath,im pretty sure they are laughing their arses off at the potential buyers RIGHT NOW! I know i would be.
Absolutely genius.
What they are doing now is trying to see how much SE Fans can take before they leave, i bet one of them is reading this very thread with a huge grin and thinking "OMGee!! They're falling for it!! They will never learn,hehe. . ."
Lol,anyway its a realy beautiful phone, an absolute stunner, but i can see a lot of: "If ONLY they made this screen full touch!" coming from the very people who say its fine the way it is when it isnt, make it full touch and give people variety is what i think they should have done, but this is Esato so NO thats a terrible idea, variety? PSSH! Who needs it,let SE decide how i must use it.

Posted by se_dude
This supposedly is a japanese design extensively used in japan. Lets see how it works out for the,, if it does.

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Seriously? So their phones in Japan have limited touchscreen? The whole dpad being underneath wouldnt be a big deal if they made the screen full touch. I mean HONESTLY now with such a nice large screen would you rather have to open the slider EVERYTIME you wana navigate? Or would you rather have the CHOICE to use the full touchscreen AND OR open the slider? I always had this realy crazy thought in my head that people like to have a choice, but i guess that was just me. DAM IT!

Posted by se_dude


Sharp something.


Posted by Dups!
The idea of having to open the slide everytime you want to properly use the phone is just not on. I also think it should've been a full touchscreen. Similarly with the d-pad underneath, what was the thinking behind this design?

Normally, I would say let's wait and see but this beauty of a phone is crippled that I don't see how it would work without annoying the hell out of the user.
[ This Message was edited by: EMS06 on 2009-05-31 13:39 ]


Posted by Tsepz_GP
EMS
Exactly.
Se dude
Are those limited touchscreens or full touch though? As ive said it would be fine if they just made it full and left dpad where it is.

Posted by se_dude
Dunno bout that. But why on earth would you have a full fledged d-pad if you want to provide for a touch screen.

Posted by oddie k750
Maybe like they did with the P990i? Maybe not the best example, but I loved that phone before we found about all it's imperfections... I always liked the idea that it functioned like a normal phone and when you wanted to use the touch screen you just opened the flip... Here it would be the other way around.
[ This Message was edited by: oddie k750 on 2009-05-31 14:17 ]


Posted by ramintop

On 2009-05-31 14:21:25, se_dude wrote:
Dunno bout that. But why on earth would you have a full fledged d-pad if you want to provide for a touch screen.


why on earth? seriously? dont you think its more user-friendly to let people choose the type of input method they prefer to use? stop forcing your opinion under everyone's throat, dont act like this half-arsed touchscreen is a good idea because it simply isnt.

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Exactly oddie and ramin, same thing me and many others are saying.
Se dude
P990, TyTN, TyTN-II, TouchPRO, Touch, TouchDual, XPERIA X1, Omnia (touchpad), the Google Android phones: Dream, Magic, Universe (the Samsung) etc. . .all these give the user a great choice of TS and dpad/touchpad/roller and make it easier and user friendly to use the phone.




Posted by kjao
erm...no front camera for 3G calls? *sigh*

it was ALMOST perfect

Posted by mediar
You can make video calls with the normal camera.

Posted by not_me

On 2009-05-31 16:18:52, mediar wrote:
You can make video calls with the normal camera.



... which is on the back of the phone ? So that you can't both film yourself and see the person your talking to at the same time. Yet another Sony Ericsson innovation, isn't it. And for your convenience they probably will include a little mirror in the box!

Personally I don't mind this too much, because I think there are many people (me included) who never actually make video calls. Though I think they should have included a front video call camera, like they should start making complete phones for the masses and not segregated products for individuals.

Posted by goldenface

On 2009-05-31 14:15:38, EMS06 wrote:
Normally, I would say let's wait and see but this beauty of a phone is crippled that I don't see how it would work without annoying the hell out of the user.


So the phone is crippled? And please tell us how are they supposed to fit a 3" screen on along with d-pad and buttons and keep the phone a decent size?

If they did that then people would either complain about the screen not being large enough to watch the free movies on or that the phone is simply too long!


Posted by 10123

On 2009-05-31 16:50:20, not_me wrote:

On 2009-05-31 16:18:52, mediar wrote:
You can make video calls with the normal camera.



... which is on the back of the phone ? So that you can't both film yourself and see the person your talking to at the same time. Yet another Sony Ericsson innovation, isn't it. And for your convenience they probably will include a little mirror in the box!

Personally I don't mind this too much, because I think there are many people (me included) who never actually make video calls. Though I think they should have included a front video call camera, like they should start making complete phones for the masses and not segregated products for individuals.



There getting rid of the front video call camera in most phones from all manufactures, people just arent intrested in making video calls

Posted by Dups!
@goldenface

My pleasure!

Keep the 3 inch screen and have the 5 way jog dial of the old P series. How's that for a limited touchscreen phone?

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Goldenface
The X1 is a good size, yet has a 3inch screen with dpad AND touchpad AND full touchscreen.

Posted by se_dude
The X1 is a landscape slider, but I agree. They should have had the dpad on top. Lets see how it shapes up in the coming months. Surely someone would have seen this and thought about it. Lets see.

Next announcement will probably see some new mid end stuff according to MR.

Posted by goldenface
The full screen of Aino and its simple design is a great part of its appeal. Anyway, I think I'll reserve judgement till I've actually used the phone but calling it crippled!

@EMS06
Aino is running A2 and part of its appeal is the keypad shortcuts - these make navigating the menus lightening fast and is part of the UI appeal. A keypad would be required and would work better than the Jogdial IMO.

May be someone who has used such a design, like the Sharp phones se_dude posted, could comment on how the design fairs. I'd like to hear their thoughts.

There must be a review out there, I'll go read up.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-05-31 16:41 ]


Posted by mediar
May be someone who has used such a design, like the Sharp phones se_dude posted, could comment on how / if the design is unusable. I'd like to hear their thoughts.


If the phone had full touchscreen, the design wouldn't be so unusable.

Posted by oddie k750
I do know many people who always open their slider phone when using it even though thry have all the keys they need on top(dpad). One reason may be that that's one of the ways to unlock the keys, another that the phone may feel better in the hand that way (probably wouldn't be so in the already hefty Aido) or they're just used to opening it when texting and such. My point is that for many people sliding down the keyboard to use the d-pad may not be as big a deal as it is for me (or some of you guys).
note: I'm not trying to butter up se- I still think full TS support AND keys would be best- I was only commenting on the question as to wether how (un)annoing using such a phone would be.


Posted by goldenface

On 2009-05-31 17:45:30, mediar wrote:
May be someone who has used such a design, like the Sharp phones se_dude posted, could comment on how / if the design is unusable. I'd like to hear their thoughts.


If the phone had full touchscreen, the design wouldn't be so unusable.



What in your experience can it not do that makes the design crippled and unusable?

May be you could upload a video to Youtube and show us this difficulty you are having because, correct me if I'm wrong but none of the reviewers who have had this phone in their hands seem to have expressed this so called difficulty that renders the design unusuable.

Posted by se_love
This again? We have touch for media properties to ease it up and the buttons for the phone properties as it is easier. Both methods are seperated for both modes that are easy in one or the other.

Posted by synn

On 2009-05-31 17:46:54, oddie k750 wrote:
I do know many people who always open their slider phone when using it even though thry have all the keys they need on top(dpad). One reason may be that that's one of the ways to unlock the keys, another that the phone may feel better in the hand that way (probably wouldn't be so in the already hefty Aido) or they're just used to opening it when texting and such. My point is that for many people sliding down the keyboard to use the d-pad may not be as big a deal as it is for me (or some of you guys).
note: I'm not trying to butter up se- I still think full TS support AND keys would be best- I was only commenting on the question as to wether how (un)annoing using such a phone would be.


Ditto.

I ALWAYS open the slider before I use any options in my phone, except changing volume. The one step slide is way less inconvenient than a 2 button unlock procedure. PLus the using number key shortcuts deal I have mentioned like 20 times by now to each and every one who complains.

Makes me wonder, just how many of those who complain here actually USE a slider regularly?

Posted by mode

On 2009-05-31 17:36:56, goldenface wrote:
The full screen of Aino and its simple design is a great part of its appeal. Anyway, I think I'll reserve judgement till I've actually used the phone but calling it crippled!


I agree, the full screen design is what actually makes it a stunner, or it would turn out to be like just another slider with the d-pad there. It's simplicity is the core of its appeal. But I also think it would've only been a practical design if it supported full touchscreen functionality so in other words, it's impractical IMO.

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Synn
My main phone is a slider. Lucky my phone has Music keys,gaming keys, dpad/touch scroll wheel, soft keys, menu key, answer/drop call keys and a media key all on the top slider so i hardly ever have to open the slider unless texting, its so convenient to just use it closed especialy when surfing the web, listening to music and when on a call. I would be so annoyed if i had to open the slider everytime i want to do something that doesnt require the numeric keypad all the time like web surfing or listening to music. The point here though is they may keep the dpad where it is its fine as long as it has a full touchscreen but this is not the case. Why do SE have to force the user to open the slider all the time? Why dont they give US THE CONSUMER the choice and convenience? Plus they could have put a Keylock switch like they had in the W900 and P990-i think ,so atleast you simply flick the switch when unlocking the TS or keyboard. Theres no excuse for what theyve done here. This phone has SOOO much potential, but its wasted due to a half done TS.




Posted by oddie k750
The key on the top of the phone is the lock key

Posted by mediar

On 2009-05-31 17:57:59, goldenface wrote:

On 2009-05-31 17:45:30, mediar wrote:
May be someone who has used such a design, like the Sharp phones se_dude posted, could comment on how / if the design is unusable. I'd like to hear their thoughts.


If the phone had full touchscreen, the design wouldn't be so unusable.



What in your experience can it not do that makes the design crippled and unusable?

May be you could upload a video to Youtube and show us this difficulty you are having because, correct me if I'm wrong but none of the reviewers who have had this phone in their hands seem to have expressed this so called difficulty that renders the design unusuable.



Come on! You said that. So I wrote what do we need to understant from that ( ops, sorry, you've removed that from post ). I like the design and I don't think is unusable. That was your point.

Posted by synn

On 2009-05-31 18:50:34, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Synn
My main phone is a slider. Lucky my phone has Music keys,gaming keys, dpad/touch scroll wheel, soft keys, menu key, answer/drop call keys and a media key all on the top slider so i hardly ever have to open the slider unless texting, its so convenient to just use it closed especialy when surfing the web, listening to music and when on a call. I would be so annoyed if i had to open the slider everytime i want to do something that doesnt require the numeric keypad all the time like web surfing or listening to music. The point here though is they may keep the dpad where it is its fine as long as it has a full touchscreen but this is not the case. Why do SE have to force the user to open the slider all the time? Why dont they give US THE CONSUMER the choice and convenience? Plus they could have put a Keylock switch like they had in the W900 and P990-i think ,so atleast you simply flick the switch when unlocking the TS or keyboard. Theres no excuse for what theyve done here. This phone has SOOO much potential, but its wasted due to a half done TS.






Gucci.011: Make no mistake, I'd LOVE to see full touch in the web browser on this phone. That is the only problem i have with this, but it's not a deal breaker for me. (You can play music, videos, whatever with the slider closed).

I am a future customer for this phone and I do not see the SERIOUS usability issues many doomsday pundits are talking about. Is it a perfect solution? No. But neither is a flip phone and some people like it. Same difference.

Oh, and as per GSMA, there IS an unlock button, on top of the phone.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-05-31 18:03 ]


Posted by oddie k750
It does have a key logo on it...

Posted by gtr83
If you're referring to the current stage of the TS then yes, it's a wasted potential. But maybe we should reserve bitterness until its final version?

Posted by Tsepz_GP
No bitterness,just absolute disappointment. About the keylock, sorry i read your most wrong synn thought you had said you need to slide the phone to unlock.

Posted by gtr83
Well yeah I would be quite disappointed too if this is the final version of the touchscreen function.

Posted by Dups!

On 2009-05-31 18:50:34, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Synn
...I would be so annoyed if i had to open the slider everytime i want to do something that doesnt require the numeric keypad all the time like web surfing or listening to music. The point here though is they may keep the dpad where it is its fine as long as it has a full touchscreen but this is not the case... Why do SE have to force the user to open the slider all the time? ...






That is why it is crippled to me.
@goldenface

The jog dial would help in eliminating the need to slide open the phone to read messages amongst other tasks. The d-pad comes into play when you have to carry out more advanced operations.

This way the phone retains its A2 traits with its limited touchscreen while also keeping the d-pad where it is. Otherwise they should've made it a full touchscreen.

Posted by synn
I'm a fan of the jog dial too, but I don't think it'll return. They've had had problems with longevity with it in the past.


Also, please refer to the above posts again. It's not as "crippled" as the post you quoted make it seem.

Posted by oddie k750
I think we know everyone's view on the subject- now all we can do is wait as to how finishes this phone up, and if we can/can't accept it.
We can start another hot topic in the meantime - how about the missing lens cover?

Posted by goldenface
Well its not a cyber-shot if it hasn't got a lens cover - obviously. The W900i didn't have one and that seemed to survive ok.

Posted by Dups!
@synn

As you pointed out that you always slide your phone open everytime you use it, of course it won't seem crippled to you. But to me it is annoying to have to open the slide for text messages, installed apps, settings, internet, etc. I like things simple.

Oh, the jog dial thing was responding to goldenface when he asked how should they keep the phone as good looking with a 3 inch screen. It was a suggestion not that it will happen.

Posted by synn

On 2009-05-31 20:08:36, EMS06 wrote:
@synn

As you pointed out that you always slide your phone open everytime you use it, of course it won't seem crippled to you. But to me it is annoying to have to open the slide for text messages, installed apps, settings, internet, etc. I like things simple.



The answer is simple too. Get yourself a Satio.



Posted by Dups!
Somehow I expected you'd say something like that. You need to appreciate the fact that some people will like/ love a particular phone, in this case Aino, but have a problem with the egonomics. This also helps the manufacturer improve on its future design.

Posted by synn

On 2009-05-31 20:18:59, EMS06 wrote:
Somehow I expected you'd say something like that. You need to appreciate the fact that some people will like/ love a particular phone, in this case Aino, but have a problem with the egonomics. This also helps the manufacturer improve on its future design.



Lol, i said that in a lighthearted way, dude. Hence the smiley in the end. I have absolutely no problems in this phone becoming full touch before release. If it helps sell more Ainos, I'm all for it! Just that for my particular usage habits, there's just about enough touch that I wanted in a phone.

Just about. Now who's gonna hack Netfront to make it touch enabled? Any takers?

Posted by oddie k750

On 2009-05-31 20:06:49, goldenface wrote:
Well its not a cyber-shot if it hasn't got a lens cover - obviously. The W900i didn't have one and that seemed to survive ok.


Was just trying to point out another con(for some)that can do nothing about.
But about the cyber-shot- I thought EU was to combine the best of WM and C-S worlds?
The lenscover is definitely less important than a/f though,but you'd think a 8mpx phone would deserve one- like the idou's(you know what phone I mean ) over it's 12mpx one.

Posted by synn

On 2009-05-31 20:27:04, oddie k750 wrote:

On 2009-05-31 20:06:49, goldenface wrote:
Well its not a cyber-shot if it hasn't got a lens cover - obviously. The W900i didn't have one and that seemed to survive ok.


Was just trying to point out another con(for some)that can do nothing about.
But about the cyber-shot- I thought EU was to combine the best of WM and C-S worlds?
The lenscover is definitely less important than a/f though,but you'd think a 8mpx phone would deserve one- like the idou's(you know what phone I mean ) over it's 12mpx one.


Pretty sure it was ditched in favor of keeping a slim profile. As long as the lens cover is mineral glass and not plastic, i wouldn't worry too much. From personal experience, they withstand wear and tear very well, unless you take a boulder to it on purpose.

Posted by Dups!
@synn

Sorry man. I missed the smiley.



Posted by oddie k750
@synn: yeah, that's probably true, a lens cover would add to bulk and the mineral glass one is better than ones like my friend's w300 plastic one -it was definitely no toughie


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