Posted by se_love
Its not a complaint about the design or the technology or even the build of the phone. Its just the way its way too overrated. I mean apple gets to release a touch screen one button phone and then if you go just make a touch screen phone with 2 or 3 buttons its supposedly out to kill the i-phone. I find that as plain bullshit as well anyone can make a touchscreen phone with good stuff in it and be more popular. I dunno but the whole i-pod with a phone installed is just crap as an idea but then again we do have the walkman and express music line BUT then again they are phones with extra branding for music so yeah i just hate the i-phone in general for its overrated powers.
Posted by masseur
rant over?
are 10+ million people (and me) wrong? and btw, there's 2 buttons on the iphone, 4 if you count the up/down volume control, 5 if you include the silence button!
also, if "anyone can make a touchscreen phone with good stuff in it and be more popular"... why hasn't anyone achieved that? to me, the fact that most manufacturers are aiming at iphone type functionality suggests that the iphone itself has been revolutionary in the industry
Personally, having never used an apple product, not even an ipod, prior to the iphone, and now its the mobile device I have had the longest, says something to me about it... so it seems to me that it is not overrated, and I haven't even begun to speak about the impact of the apps shop, which again other manufacturers (palm, microsoft etc are trying to emulate) or the jailbreak community...
Posted by Brightspark
of course it's overrated. it's apple, so it can only be expected.
the iphone has sold predominantly though hype, image, and (successful) marketing, just like the RAZR did in its day. like the RAZR, it is equally limited. both were the dumb blonde of the mobile phone world. there is no doubt that the iphone does 1 or 2 things very well (such as the touch screen), but overall, the iphone is a fashionable yet extremely limited, overpriced, and overrated device.
it's bit like pop albums selling by their bucket load, even though the 'artists' are less musically talented than a brick. conversely, highly talented artists often never get signed and have microscopic sales..
it's all down to marketing and hype. in other words, the number of sales says nothing about how good or bad a product is.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-31 18:12 ]
Posted by MWEB
people buy it because its "cool", it's UI is state of the art, but thats where its talents begin AND end IMO.
Posted by Neo-Tech
I'm the same as masseur, never owned an iPod or any ever Apple product. Only thing which I used before I got it was the iPod Touch. Of course the iPhone is overrated, what would you expect?
Posted by Mizzle
On 2009-01-31 17:48:30, masseur wrote:
are 10+ million people (and me) wrong?
Yes - and most of them are either too thick or deluded to admit it! Besides, it's a pathetic argument - what about the millions of people buying other phones every single day; are they wrong? Or let's put it into another perspective: What about the millions of Germans who supported Hitler, and the other millions of Germans who claim Hitler and his troops didn't gas the Jews. Are / were they wrong?
On 2009-01-31 20:33:44, MWEB wrote:
people buy it because its "cool", it's UI is state of the art, but thats where its talents begin AND end IMO.
Totally agree with that. It's an overrated piece of you-know-what, and so is all of Apple. No wonder their stock fell to the ground when Steve left the post as CEO. That just goes to show what an overrated company it truly is.
[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2009-01-31 21:44 ]
Posted by Logicbloke
Apple makes weird and so expansive products and also unique stuff. It has its bad sides as all the phones of the world ... It's like the troll "you're a mac or a pc" and yeah it's overrated i think Apple will soon collapses...
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Posted by goldenface
Personally, I can't see the attraction, its missing so much I've become accustomed to expect from a mobile device. There is too much I simply can't do with the iPhone, hence I haven't even considered getting one.
I have to say that sitting here tonight, in my humble abode, I have lost count of the amount of iPod, iPhone adverts I've caught out the corner of my eye, that have flashed over my tv screen, and that sort of blanket advertising and clever marketing is an awful large part of it.
Posted by gola
Apple does a bloody good job at overating their products from marketing them before they go on the shelves... This can only result in an overated product.
Posted by gtr83
@Brightspark and the others
Thanks for giving us a sober opinion!
Posted by MWEB
On 2009-02-01 05:55:25, gtr83 wrote:
@Brightspark and the others
Thanks for giving us a sober opinion!
Yeah, life sure is wonderful when you discard the rose coloured spectacles
Posted by frank2345babies
Sure the iPhone is missing a few features that are common place in mobiles Hess days bit doesn't make it overated I bought my iPhone after using an n95 8gb and an xperia. I especially used the n95 to is fullest hacking the firmware and adding lots of apps and games and I have to admit that I do not regret getting the iPhone in the slightest for what I use my phone for these days. Music video games and books the iPhone trounced all competitors. Probably he only hong I slighl regret is the camera on my n95 but I was using that less than ever anyway. I suppose it comes back towhat u use it phone for and for my needs the iPhone isn't overrated or overpriced. It just fits my needs best
Posted by Peio
So what's the point of this thread? If you don't like it, don't buy it, it's simple. I've wasted sooo much time in modding UIQ or windows mobile, and I bought an iphone not because it's "cool", but because everything works perfectly out of the box.
When you buy an iphone, you already know that you have only 2Mpx, limited multitasking, but you get a unique user-experience
Posted by MWEB
Frank, i dont think your quite getting the tone of the thread mate, this is for all us whingers who dont really like the iphone, blimey, next minute we'll have Boinng in here extolling the virtues of the iphones imaging abilities
Posted by NightBlade
Anything with less than an 8MP sensor and a xenon flash is a no-no for me, be it touchscreen or not.
And besides, there's no BT file transfer and no multitasking. That's a total deal-breaker.
Posted by Brightspark
On 2009-02-01 12:31:33, frank2345babies wrote:
iPhone........It just fits my needs best
most people end up fitting their needs around the phone rather than the other way around.
Posted by gtr83
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I would have to agree. You learn to adapt to the cons and find ways around it, but the fact is the phone probably doesn't have everything you need.
Posted by goldenface
Erm. I think you are supposed to choose the device that best suits your lifestyle.
Your phone is supposed to compliment you and make your life simpler and be one of your accessories, not the other way around.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-02-01 13:25 ]
Posted by Bonovox
Oh the iphone so so over rated. Yes its got a stunning screen with great interface. But the rest. Cant transfer via bluetooth cant use tracks as ringtones no mms no video poor camera dont like the idea that you have to first transfer your music to itunes before putting it on the iphone. Also has crap reception and battery life i could go on. Yeah others may have not rivaled the iphone with the interface but most are not far off and others have better and more features and no stupid restrictions. Just cos something has sold 10 million does not mean its good. The Moto RZR sold millions but that was shit.
Posted by fatreg
^ maybe people are missing a trick then... if the iPhone and V3 both sold millions are they are "shit" maybe you as a consumer as missing the point? there's a reason the V3 shifted millions of phones and it was due to the fact it was revolutionary very much the same way the iPhone is, it's not about having a gazillion pixel camera or a phone that has 3tb of storage, it's about having a simple phone that is nice to hold and easy to use...
There's always going to be people that don't like the iPhone very much the same way I hate the C905 but you don't see me bleeting about it.
Grow up kids.
Posted by RyaN
Finally some sense, thanks fatreg.
As for your comments @Bonovox..
Cant transfer via bluetooth? OH NO! how is my life going to survive without this feature?
(btw People are working on a project to makes this possible) I really dont see why people consider this a big feature. A2DP maybe, but transferring a vid to your mate via BT isn't really life or death.
Cant use custom tracks as ringtones? Yes you can. Can even do it within iTunes.
No MMS? Yes, again this is possible. Even an MMS app in the app store.
No video? Yes, there is - Cycorder.. available for jailbroken iPhones. Also it's pretty decent.
Poor camera? Take a proper camera out with you if you want decent pictures.
Dont like the 'idea' of having to use iTunes? Yeah, neither did i before owning an iPhone.. never owned an iPod and was always against iTunes (some some unknown reason!) but now I love it... so convenient, and really nice to use.
Crap reception? Nah, mines fine. Usually full bars wherever I go. 3G speeds are really quick on it too.
These days i really do think people get all wrapped up in a feature-rich world where specs are the only things that matter. The iPhone is one of the few devices that prove specs really don't matter. I love using this thing, and it's interested me more than any device i've owned since i had a
P800.
Posted by Residentevil
Well stated fatreg.
Posted by xboxman
I have not had the chance of using the iphone but now have an htc hd and am pritty sure that alot of the features and the way the handset works were somewhat down 2 the iphone. As for it being over rated isnt it good company advertising to get that hype? Not being funny but if it wasnt for that first Wap phone or the first Cam phone we wouldnt have the phones we have today. I love my new hd just like i loved my P990 now my wife and most of my family think they are 2 big and complicated, probably because they have different tastes than me.
I for one thank the iphone for making phone companies realise that more user friendly interfaces were needed and yes the iphone might not have the best cam in the world but what do we really do with photos taken on our mobiles? we show other people them on our mobile screens and i for one would rather take photos with my digital camera to print off than on my mobile.
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2009-02-01 16:36:49, fatreg wrote:
^ maybe people are missing a trick then... if the iPhone and V3 both sold millions are they are "shit" maybe you as a consumer as missing the point? there's a reason the V3 shifted millions of phones and it was due to the fact it was revolutionary very much the same way the iPhone is, it's not about having a gazillion pixel camera or a phone that has 3tb of storage, it's about having a simple phone that is nice to hold and easy to use...
There's always going to be people that don't like the iPhone very much the same way I hate the C905 but you don't see me bleeting about it.
Grow up kids.
Excatly. Just the same way all high end Nokias feel like they have been put togtether with lego. Or they way the batteries run out on them so quick.
I think there is a lot of envy towards the iphone probably because up until recently it was only available on contract and was quite expensive. Im not going to guess how old the thread starter is but I know a lot of kids use this forum so im guessing from that perspective an expensive contract phone isnt going to work well with a school kid.
As for the cons well they are well documented and to be honest if everyone shared the same view then the iphone would have not done half as well as it has even less. Apple set out to make a phone with a revolutionary interface, something that they achieved. You only have to look around and ask who else is there that has an interface as sleek and nice. Palm have managed it what over a year after iphone?
The question is will the pack be able to keep up with iphone once they release their sucesssor.
Posted by gtr83
The trillions of iPhone users are not stupid. They just have different tastes than us - which is why they adapt to its cons fairly easily. To me personally, the Appstore concept doesn't make sense but you can think otherwise since 300 million people or so agree with you.
Posted by SloopJohnB
The iPhone demonstraded that it´s not about the number of features but the implementation of these features that matters. There´s a tendency in the tech market that´s harmful both to costumers and companies. Since it´s a very competitive and ´fast evolving´ market, manufactures try to differentiate themselves by having the biggest number of techs or functions available to the consumer in the shortest time. That happens with mobile phones, computers and etc. The 'real-use', quality, implementation and integration of these functions are most of the times an´after-thought´. The iPhone came to balance that. Apple set itself out to make a product that combined three functions and design it to match ´form and function´ the best way it could (multitouch = adaptive interface). All of the sudden, people were using their iphone for more ´functions´ then other ´multi-function´ devices, the satisfaction rates were up to almost 90% and a device with a poor camera was becoming the number one camera on flickr (ahead of n95 which has a much more capable camera and even had more units in the market at the time). The other companies are opening their eyes now to this new opportunity.
People that rant over apple´s products because others have ´more functions´ are totally igorant about the company´s ideals or designs. It may not suit your needs but it´s hard to find an apple product that´s not a ´quality´ product. Its similar to the windowns 98 and mac os comparison a couple of years ago. If you tryed to 'shut down' your pc, you had to go to the ´start´ menu (no sense?), then you were presented with a window with a text on top, two buttons at the bottom and drop down menu for 4 options (restart, shut down, etc). Can´t guys see what´s wrong with this???? If there´s only 4 options why create so many steps, buttons and even a drop down menu?? Doesn´t it make more sense to just put up a window with 4 easy-acess BUTTONS for your choice? That´s apple´s concept of UI. And that same way of thinking if implemented all over the iphone and itunes.
About the marketing. You guys have to remember that much if not most of this marketing was not created by apple but by the press. There were hundreds of millions of dollars worth in advertising spent on the iphone and apple didn´t put a dollar in that.
Posted by marty mcfly
On 2009-01-31 22:42:14, Mizzle wrote:
What about the millions of Germans who supported Hitler, and the other millions of Germans who claim Hitler and his troops didn't gas the Jews. Are / were they wrong?
You seriously think this argument can be compared to the Holocaust? It's a phone for goodness sake!
Posted by MWEB
The people who dont rate the iphone and desire to express that fact keep their opinions out of the iphone 3G thread out of respect for this forum and not wishing to troll that thread with unwelcome and unwanted opinion.
Such a shame that the iphone users/supporters can't show the same respect to people who hold opposite views to their own!!
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2009-02-01 21:02:31, MWEB wrote:
The people who dont rate the iphone and desire to express that fact keep their opinions out of the iphone 3G thread out of respect for this forum and not wishing to troll that thread with unwelcome and unwanted opinion.
Such a shame that the iphone users/supporters can't show the same respect to people who hold opposite views to their own!!
And it's such a shame you were not able to enforce a similar rule over on MR. Double standards.
Posted by Mizzle
On 2009-02-01 20:28:44, marty mcfly wrote:
On 2009-01-31 22:42:14, Mizzle wrote:
What about the millions of Germans who supported Hitler, and the other millions of Germans who claim Hitler and his troops didn't gas the Jews. Are / were they wrong?
You seriously think this argument can be compared to the Holocaust? It's a phone for goodness sake!
Yes. It clearly proves that millions of people can easily be wrong.
Posted by Brightspark
On 2009-02-01 18:52:21, gtr83 wrote:
The trillions of iPhone users are not stupid. They just have different tastes than us - which is why they adapt to its cons fairly easily. To me personally, the Appstore concept doesn't make sense but you can think otherwise since 300 million people or so agree with you.
people are usually attracted to a device(or anything) because that device has one or two features or traits that are central to the individual's wants or needs. that need or want may well be to be seen with a cool device, and the chances are, that makes up a significant portion of the iphone buyers.
because being the owner of a 'cool' device is central to their needs, the iphones faults are brushed off as being unimportant to them, and i believe them when they say they are unimportant to them. but that doesn't mean that they were unimportant before they got the iphone, it;s just that they have adjusted their needs to the device, and because such needs pale into insignificance when compared with their centra needs and wants.
in relation to what i said earlier about people adjusting to their devices rather than the other way around, before i got the viewty, the phone's browser was not one of my needs or wants. so was a touch sensitive form factor. now i find that i use the browser on the viewty more than any other feature, and this is because it has a large screen and is 3G. now, i would wish for a touch screen device, 3G/HSDPA, and a large screen on my next device. before i got the viewty, the broser was of no importance.
ergo, i have adjusted my needs to that of the phone because i want to make full use of it.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-02-01 21:00 ]
Posted by gtr83
@Brightspark
Right now things in this thread are going the way MWEB predicted it. Lol.
Posted by smilerthe cheshirecat
Good though isn't it
Posted by vegetaleb
Comparing the iphone to the 5800 is like comparing a Porche to a Renault!
Yes you have full options and functionalities in a Renault for 1/4 the price of a Porche but what the hell! can you compare the beauty and the power of a Porche with a Renault???
And for the missing options ,like for cars,you can add them later like ibluetooth,swirlMMS...
I love my 5800 for the full options its giving me but I hate it because of it's playschool look !!!
Posted by RyaN
LOL @ MWEB's sig...
Has departed Esato, leaving it in the capable hands of its iphone loving mods and members.
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2009-02-01 21:57:54, Brightspark wrote:
On 2009-02-01 18:52:21, gtr83 wrote:
The trillions of iPhone users are not stupid. They just have different tastes than us - which is why they adapt to its cons fairly easily. To me personally, the Appstore concept doesn't make sense but you can think otherwise since 300 million people or so agree with you.
people are usually attracted to a device(or anything) because that device has one or two features or traits that are central to the individual's wants or needs. that need or want may well be to be seen with a cool device, and the chances are, that makes up a significant portion of the iphone buyers.
because being the owner of a 'cool' device is central to their needs, the iphones faults are brushed off as being unimportant to them, and i believe them when they say they are unimportant to them. but that doesn't mean that they were unimportant before they got the iphone, it;s just that they have adjusted their needs to the device, and because such needs pale into insignificance when compared with their centra needs and wants.
in relation to what i said earlier about people adjusting to their devices rather than the other way around, before i got the viewty, the phone's browser was not one of my needs or wants. so was a touch sensitive form factor. now i find that i use the browser on the viewty more than any other feature, and this is because it has a large screen and is 3G. now, i would wish for a touch screen device, 3G/HSDPA, and a large screen on my next device. before i got the viewty, the broser was of no importance.
ergo, i have adjusted my needs to that of the phone because i want to make full use of it.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-02-01 21:00 ]
Or maybe just maybe people are not always bowled over by hordes of features most of which they will not even use. Instead they want a few key features that perform good rather than lots of features that perform average. Iphone is already suited to people, its the other manufacturers that were trying to do it backwards.
Posted by NoKia
lol ......you can tell how great the iphone is by the number of people that dont even own but feel compelled to rant about it
you never see iphone user complaining about those useless SE or nokias
i used to be a massive nokia fan, hell i even picked the username, i have used nearly every highend nokia and i can say that even with the obvious flaws the iphone is in a different class to all of them, its a phone that never gets boring, nearly everyday u discover something new to play with, its no wonder that the batttery never lasts, its cus we are never off it!
Posted by vegetaleb
Geez your nickname will stick to you like a tatoo
Posted by NoKia
i know, i need to change it
Posted by marty mcfly
On 2009-02-01 21:48:42, Mizzle wrote:
On 2009-02-01 20:28:44, marty mcfly wrote:
On 2009-01-31 22:42:14, Mizzle wrote:
What about the millions of Germans who supported Hitler, and the other millions of Germans who claim Hitler and his troops didn't gas the Jews. Are / were they wrong?
You seriously think this argument can be compared to the Holocaust? It's a phone for goodness sake!
Yes. It clearly proves that millions of people can easily be wrong.
Hardly the same situation Mizzle is it? What a ridiculous thing to say.
Posted by Boinng
@Mizzle - unless I'm missing something and our fondness for the iPhone is actually enabling Apple to commit acts of genocide with our implicit consent, I think perhaps you really need to withdraw your current line of argument. The comparison doesn't work on any level whatsoever, and insults just about everybody, including the intelligence of anyone reading.
Can 10 million people be wrong? It depends entirely on the context - if you make a personal choice over which phone is right for you, and end up quite satisfied and happy with that choice, can that choice ever then be described as "wrong"? No, I don't think so. And in that context, no, 10 million other people also making the same choice and showing the same sort of levels of satisfaction can't be wrong either. It's entirely a matter of personal choice, and nobody's going to the gas chamber either way.
It's pretty deluded of anyone, in January 2009, to be trying to lecture iPhone users on which crappy little features the iPhone doesn't have. We all know, everyone knows, but we bought it anyway. We like it, anyway. We probably get far more use, and far more enjoyment out of it than you do with your "full featured" phone. That's why it's an argument that you'll never win, and will ultimately only ever have with yourself anyway (had to laugh at MWEB's attempts to get the iPhone users out of this thread, so the whingers could literally make these pointless points to each other without someone who actually used an iPhone butting in and spoiling things...)
I've had E and SE phones 2001, smartphones since 2003, my last phone was Windows Mobile powered and did literally everything the X1 does, and I used every last feature of it too, but I've never been more satisfied with a phone than I am with the iPhone, and as far as I can see there's nothing else on the market that even begins to compete.
Posted by voda_jon
to be honest dont u think ppl can make their own minds up as to which phone to buy... if they believe the hype let them buy an iphone...
I believed the hype and bought an iPhone... twice! but have now settled on a G1 as i like the openess of the OS and a few other things...
ppl are going to love it ppl are going to hate it but thats human nature.... some ppl love me and some ppl hate me but i accept their decision and move on. lets do the same for the iPhone and leave it to its global domination!
J.
Posted by RyaN
On 2009-02-02 13:22:56, Boinng wrote:
(had to laugh at MWEB's attempts to get the iPhone users out of this thread, so the whingers could literally make these pointless points to each other without someone who actually used an iPhone butting in and spoiling things...)
So true! This thread would just be none other than a rant thread of pointless posts if no-one came in here to give their user opinions on the matter, as opposed to people who have never used the device.
I really am surprised at the immaturity levels of some of the 'grown up' members on this forum.
Posted by vegetaleb
It's like some teenagers who are saying that the 5800 is better than the iphone because of the ''karl zeiss'' lens,while in reality the iphone is better with its 2mp and specially in low light,but what can you say? they have read ''karl zeiss'' that's all
Posted by voda_jon
@veg.... and think all the Karl Zeiss is is a nice piece of polished glass lol.
I have yet to find a phone from ANY maufacturer that can match the iPhones interface and reliability. And no one can argue that Apple got it right and got it right the first time and made a big impression which is unseen in the mobile phone industry. Even some manufacturers that have been in the game since the beginning cant make the same impact the iPhone did/has done.
Well done Apple and lets close this thread as its getting to be a flame topic and getting into territory (the 2nd world war and hitler) which doesnt need to be brought up in a phone forum!
J.
Posted by RyaN
Exactly! and people dont seem to moan as much about that kind of marketing (when it's not even a proper KZ lens) and prefer to whinge on about Apple's marketing tactics re: iPhone. Pfff...
Posted by NoKia
On 2009-02-02 13:22:56, Boinng wrote:
It's pretty deluded of anyone, in January 2009, to be trying to lecture iPhone users on which crappy little features the iPhone doesn't have. We all know, everyone knows, but we bought it anyway. We like it, anyway. We probably get far more use, and far more enjoyment out of it than you do with your "full featured" phone. That's why it's an argument that you'll never win, and will ultimately only ever have with yourself anyway (had to laugh at MWEB's attempts to get the iPhone users out of this thread, so the whingers could literally make these pointless points to each other without someone who actually used an iPhone butting in and spoiling things...)
I've had E and SE phones 2001, smartphones since 2003, my last phone was Windows Mobile powered and did literally everything the X1 does, and I used every last feature of it too, but I've never been more satisfied with a phone than I am with the iPhone, and as far as I can see there's nothing else on the market that even begins to compete.
thing is nowadays deluded folk think its cool and anti-whatever to hate the iphone without even owning or using one
Posted by gtr83
@NoKia
Don't you think certain people don't buy/use an iPhone because they hate it? Or is it the other way around?
Posted by NoKia
@gtr83
how can u hate something without even knowing anything about it?
Posted by Mizzle
marty mcfly,
What a pile of rubbish! The argument was if 10 million people can be wrong, and there's no doubt about what the answer to that question is - YES. And they are.
And to a certain Boinng Boinng, I'm not going to withdraw anything. Feel free consider yourself insulted, if that's what you want. Oh, there's no point in replying to this post, as I have no intention of reading it.