Posted by Tsepz_GP
I thought you guys stopped listening to Eldar cause he was being "mean" to 
Posted by gtr83
I never listened to Eldar. Rather I read his articles
He has every right to be mean but he was a bit too subjective.
Posted by Arne Anka
On 2009-01-24 05:37:53, gtr83 wrote:
SE should stop labeling low-end products as Cyber-shot and Walkman phones;
Completely agree. The label simply loose its meaning when its found in low end products.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Im just wondering how are SE still able to make decent phones with high specs like the X1, C905, W902 etc. . .and yet are under Motorola who dont realy have anything worth talking about in their portfolio like the C905, i expected SE to be atleast above Moto cause i thought X1 and C905 were selling well,guess i was wrong.
Posted by carkitter
On 2009-01-24 23:36:59, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Im just wondering how are SE still able to make decent phones with high specs like the X1, C905, W902 etc. . .and yet are under Motorola who dont realy have anything worth talking about in their portfolio like the C905...
Because Motorola sell GSM and CDMA phones by the truckload in the US where they are still #1 in sales. Its in all other markets that they have lost their appeal. SE and Nokia still don't make much of a dent in the US market; I think Nokia are 5th in the US with SE barely troubling the statisticians...
Posted by se_dude
Moto Q4- 19 million
SE Q4-24.4 million
Posted by rsdsgd
I'm conscious about SE just becoz they are the pioneers to put a Digicam.. in mobile phone (Dont forget 'auto focus' functionality).
They also have a brilliant history regarding music field. So on these two strong basis they must lead the mobile fon industry & should keep it up.
But now the runner-ups have reached SE,
SE...! keep innova8ing (just lyk Samsung have done)
Posted by Brightspark
On 2009-01-28 19:35:44, rsdsgd wrote:
I'm conscious about SE just becoz they are the pioneers to put a Digicam.. in mobile phone (Dont forget 'auto focus' functionality).
They also have a brilliant history regarding music field. So on these two strong basis they must lead the mobile fon industry & should keep it up.
But now the runner-ups have reached SE,
SE...! keep innova8ing (just lyk Samsung have done)
you are deluding yourself.
-SE did not put out the first camera phone, nor where they the first to put out autofocus on a camera phone
-SE have never been innovative in anything
-music-wise, they have been well and truly surpassed. they now trail the top 4 brands in audio quality. their walkman brand was based on the 'sony' walkman, but sony never invented the walkman.
On 2009-01-25 04:42:20, se_dude wrote:
Moto Q4- 19 million
SE Q4-24.4 million
thats only for that one quarter mate. the thraed is about how they have all done in 2008, and SE are 5th whilst moto are 4th.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-28 20:31 ]
Posted by NightBlade
SE not innovating? That's not true mate. Who do you think invented the swivel form factor? And who was the first to put a xenon flash and an active lens cover on a cameraphone? How about the first phone with an inbuilt FM transmitter? Those are just off the top of my head.
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[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2009-01-28 20:38 ]
Posted by gola
I thought it's Motorola that came with the first swivel mobile...
Posted by rsdsgd
you are deluding yourself.
-SE did not put out the first camera phone, nor where they the first to put out autofocus on a camera phone
-SE have never been innovative in anything
-music-wise, they have been well and truly surpassed. they now trail the top 4 brands in audio quality. their walkman brand was based on the 'sony' walkman, but sony never invented the walkman.
I'm not talking about innovation.
I'm talking about the quality which SE put into fonz...
& many guys here can favour my opinion. ANd Im also trying to conclude that SE are now not at that quality. Many other companies have push back SE in these fields now. That's all what I wanted to say.
Anyways friend ,Thanx to reply me.
Posted by driftmania
You did say that SE was the company to pioneer cameras into phones and the first to put in auto focus, which means that you're trying to say that SE was the first to have those functions in a cellphone.
Posted by c96sthl
On 2009-01-28 21:22:46, Brightspark wrote:
On 2009-01-28 19:35:44, rsdsgd wrote:
I'm conscious about SE just becoz they are the pioneers to put a Digicam.. in mobile phone (Dont forget 'auto focus' functionality).
They also have a brilliant history regarding music field. So on these two strong basis they must lead the mobile fon industry & should keep it up.
But now the runner-ups have reached SE,
SE...! keep innova8ing (just lyk Samsung have done)
you are deluding yourself.
-SE did not put out the first camera phone, nor where they the first to put out autofocus on a camera phone
-SE have never been innovative in anything
-music-wise, they have been well and truly surpassed. they now trail the top 4 brands in audio quality. their walkman brand was based on the 'sony' walkman, but sony never invented the walkman.
On 2009-01-25 04:42:20, se_dude wrote:
Moto Q4- 19 million
SE Q4-24.4 million
thats only for that one quarter mate. the thraed is about how they have all done in 2008, and SE are 5th whilst moto are 4th.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-28 20:31 ]
this is the second time SE surpass MOtorola....q3 same thing.
Posted by NightBlade
On 2009-01-29 07:40:53, rsdsgd wrote:
-SE did not put out the first camera phone, nor where they the first to put out autofocus on a camera phone
Where did I say that?
However, SE did play a huge part in the commercialization of cameraphones.
And I repeat, saying that SE has never innovated is plain wrong. Maybe they haven't exactly "wowed" us lately, but you should just wait for MWC.
Posted by Brightspark
On 2009-01-28 21:37:06, NightBlade wrote:
SE not innovating? That's not true mate. Who do you think invented the swivel form factor? And who was the first to put a xenon flash and an active lens cover on a cameraphone? How about the first phone with an inbuilt FM transmitter? Those are just off the top of my head.
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[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2009-01-28 20:38 ]
name one thing that SE has developed where all other manufacturers have copied?
moto invented the swivel - check your facts.
i don't know about the xenon or the active lens, but i would bet my life that neither were done be SE.
the first phone with an inbuilt radio was a nokia - check your facts
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-29 20:49 ]
Posted by rustam07
Brightspark, I think you don't know differences between FM Transmitter and Radio. Check your knowledge mate.
Posted by NightBlade
Ok, I wasn't too sure about the swivel form factor, but I guess they did invent the arc QWERTY slider with the X1.
Oh, and the K800 was the first phone with a xenon flash and the K750 was the first phone with an active lens cover, as far as memory serves.
Anyways, this MWC SE will announce some pretty neat stuff, trust me.
Posted by vegetaleb
SE is repeating Nokia's errors ...using the same phone under different names,the 3 new phones are the clones of the G705,k850..
SE doesn't propose something new with Wow effect,iphone is a legend for nearly 2 years just because they invented the first finger touch cell phones,Nokia doesn't propose 1 touch expensive model but 2 s60 touch models and one of them aka 5800 is not expensive at all,touch and large screens are the future of cell phones but SE doesn't understand that,added to that catastrophic bugs like the BROD on k850...
What could help SE:
-A marketing positioning based on a WoW effect,ex: tremendous gfx chip for superb games(iphone does it allready).
-More screen sizes and not stick to 2.0,2.2 and 2.4 people want 2.8 to 3.5''
-Fast new Menu
-Lot more touch phones
Posted by c96sthl
technology innovation is not the only key for a phone maker to survive....management innovation is another key which I do feel SE lacking after the success of W810.
same to Motorola which seem to be even worst in term of reinventing themselve.....
BTW V70 from Motorola is the first swivel phone but that never rotate the screen. When SE come out with S700, Motorola have V80.
a lot of innovation from SE inherit from Ericsson....lithium polymer battery for instance...E/// or SE is among the first using it. Putting GSM phone with color screen more than 3 color (at 256 color)...E/// and SE T68 is the first one (first color I think is Siemens S25 which I used to owned one)
FM transmitter....W980 isn't the first one....when it was out, there's another Nokia N series having it but this seem not able to popularized due to regulation at different country for FM transmission.
Honestly SE innovation is more towards their industrial design when T610 was out....after that, it slowly reduces the innovation as there's nothing much that can over take that phone.....tht is a life safer phone for SE in 2003 and what SE need now is another design that at least match the success of T610.
Posted by Brightspark
On 2009-01-30 02:01:04, c96sthl wrote:
same to Motorola which seem to be even worst in term of reinventing themselve.....
a lot of innovation from SE inherit from Ericsson....
i'm glad someone realises this about ericsson. the most inventive brands throughout the history of mobile phones are:
-motorola (yes, moto have been reinventing themselves in the last 2 years. but throughout the history of the mobile phone, there are few that can touch motorola in terms of innovation and their pervasive influence throughout the mobile phone world, even today)
-siemens (a forgotten brand, but responsible for much of the features that are considered standard in phones today)
-ericsson
the above 3 brands make up about 90% of all innovations in the world of mobile phone. sony ericsson, in contrast, has contributed nothing. zilch. nadir. i
in 2009, we can all see the following trends running throughout sony ericsson:
-backwards technology(they have been well and truly overtaken by the top 4 brands in all aspects)
-overly expensive for what they offer. they are offering relatively low quality phones with relatively few features at overly high prices.
-consistently and recurringly glitchy software and relatively poorly constructed hardware
-boring copy&paste designs lacking in innovation, imagination, and aesthetic appeal.
-falling sales and profits
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-30 01:37 ]
Posted by c96sthl
but i am not wiping SE off.
no one can imagine a phone can get an auto focus module into it and blend it nicely like a camera.
yes SE dont deserve the sole credit but same as all other phone maker since non of them having their own camera module unit...all purchase off the shelf or customized design from CMOS maker like sony/ previously agilent/ ST micro/ Largen/ samsung electronics etc etc module maker
SE in my opinion doing very well in their marketing innovation with walkman....cybershot is kinda lame but I think we see the down fall during the I "SE" ???
the key is management and marketing innovation....its getting tough to be technologically innovative on phone. Maybe its just my brain alone cannot think so far but its getting tough to imagine what else can put into a device don't you think?
I am not talking about putting in HD quality...coz tht is just getting better LCD screen with a processor that able to read HD data....but seriously nothing is there.
size...Siemens have impress us with the S25 and C25 phone tht is so small....they even come out the first slider SL10 with 3 color screen when no one does.
Motorola is always the pioneer with some legacy no one can argue (1st mobile phone maker...1st star tac....1st razr...)
Ericsson is lithium polymer....they also have T38...the phone tht eventually be T39 which is smallest BT phone with triband ...plus Ericsson invented Bluetooth.....and I can see Ericsson is the one that started all the standardization of connectors on their phone...yes it get irritating now SE refuse to put a 3.5mm audio jack in but that is as a way .... keeping that legacy even many hates it.
nokia on the other hand come out with first antenna less phone 3210... you cannot say Nokia never get innovative...given the previous CEO take the risk to abandone all other nokia business (TV, Tyres...papers etc) and focus on mobile phone. But I do notice they are good in reinventing themselve whenever they face crisis....i think some will remember in 2003- 2004....nokia also suffered for a short time in volume shipment as their camera phone is not appalling ...but they turn it around
now I just hope SE able to find a proper solutions in getting a powerful chip to run smooth 3D game so Sony can provide the rights on PSP phone
I don't think it is true Sony don't want to give it to SE because of Sony trying to build their own phone....coz making a gaming device is not the same as making a phone...since Sony don't own a phone development dept...how can they afford to spend more $$$$ to bring up a phone unit.
I see the fact is.....no one can find a processor tht don't consume so much of power and generate so much heat for phone to be able to run nice 3D games tht is way better than what N gage can offer.
Posted by c96sthl
On 2009-01-30 02:20:56, Brightspark wrote:
On 2009-01-30 02:01:04, c96sthl wrote:
same to Motorola which seem to be even worst in term of reinventing themselve.....
a lot of innovation from SE inherit from Ericsson....
i'm glad someone realises this about ericsson. the most inventive brands throughout the history of mobile phones are:
-motorola (yes, moto have been reinventing themselves in the last 2 years. but throughout the history of the mobile phone, there are few that can touch motorola in terms of innovation and their pervasive influence throughout the mobile phone world, even today)
-siemens (a forgotten brand, but responsible for much of the features that are considered standard in phones today)
-ericsson
the above 3 brands make up about 90% of all innovations in the world of mobile phone. sony ericsson, in contrast, has contributed nothing. zilch. nadir. i
in 2009, we can all see the following trends running throughout sony ericsson:
-backwards technology(they have been well and truly overtaken by the top 4 brands in all aspects)
-overly expensive for what they offer. they are offering relatively low quality phones with relatively few features at overly high prices.
-consistently and recurringly glitchy software and relatively poorly constructed hardware
-boring copy&paste designs lacking in innovation, imagination, and aesthetic appeal.
-falling sales and profits
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-30 01:37 ]
I joined Esato when I first using my T39... the phone failed only 2yrs ago when the plastic degraded at the antenna
it lasted for almost 6yrs.
Posted by QVGA
On 2009-01-30 05:13:39, c96sthl wrote:
On 2009-01-30 02:20:56, Brightspark wrote:
On 2009-01-30 02:01:04, c96sthl wrote:
same to Motorola which seem to be even worst in term of reinventing themselve.....
a lot of innovation from SE inherit from Ericsson....
i'm glad someone realises this about ericsson. the most inventive brands throughout the history of mobile phones are:
-motorola (yes, moto have been reinventing themselves in the last 2 years. but throughout the history of the mobile phone, there are few that can touch motorola in terms of innovation and their pervasive influence throughout the mobile phone world, even today)
-siemens (a forgotten brand, but responsible for much of the features that are considered standard in phones today)
-ericsson
the above 3 brands make up about 90% of all innovations in the world of mobile phone. sony ericsson, in contrast, has contributed nothing. zilch. nadir. i
in 2009, we can all see the following trends running throughout sony ericsson:
-backwards technology(they have been well and truly overtaken by the top 4 brands in all aspects)
-overly expensive for what they offer. they are offering relatively low quality phones with relatively few features at overly high prices.
-consistently and recurringly glitchy software and relatively poorly constructed hardware
-boring copy&paste designs lacking in innovation, imagination, and aesthetic appeal.
-falling sales and profits
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-30 01:37 ]
I joined Esato when I first using my T39... the phone failed only 2yrs ago when the plastic degraded at the antenna
it lasted for almost 6yrs.
6 years? Thats it? Thats a big deal for you? I still have a 3310 from nokia, and i bought that phone right when it was released.
Coming to the topic, SE doesnt stand a chance if they only concentrate on Java phones. They really need a good smartphone that does NOT run on UIQ.
Posted by carkitter
On 2009-01-30 10:15:07, QVGA wrote:
Coming to the topic, SE doesnt stand a chance if they only concentrate on Java phones. They really need a good smartphone that does NOT run on UIQ.
I already touched on this subject and no-one picked up on it:
On 2009-01-23 11:52:17, carkitter wrote:
...Let's face it, Apple changed everything and the future is smartphones but not the oddball smartphones of the past. I'm looking forward to the smartphones SE is planning for 2010 release, that's when we should really see some serious upward movement in SE sales.
But when someone mentions the hoary old chestnut of SE innovation, it starts a roaring discussion. You guys really are pathetic and childlike.
Posted by goldenface
My sentiments exactly.
First of all, you can't measure innovation.
Unless we have access to all that happens in the R & D facilities and access to all of the hundreds of patents that are filed then we will will never know exactly how 'innovative' a company is, but rest assured, those hundreds of millions spent on R & D do come up with innovative solutions, no matter how large or small.
Posted by Brightspark
On 2009-01-30 13:37:30, goldenface wrote:
First of all, you can't measure innovation.
what makes you think that? you can measure innovation by how many devices have that feature first developed by brand X, or how many brands have adopted that feature in their own phones.
and the answer is still the same - SE have contributed nothing. nadir. zilch.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-30 16:41 ]
Posted by se_dude
^^and neither are you in this forum. You are nothing but a sore apple who damages the rest.
Posted by yea g
May aswell cahange the title to "Nokia fanboys, flame se here!"
Posted by Brightspark
On 2009-01-31 02:54:08, se_dude wrote:
^^and neither are you in this forum. You are nothing but a sore apple who damages the rest.
only because i don't mindlessly and fantically praise a company that is all too well known for it's unreliable hardware and software, boring copy and paste designs, complete lack of innovation, and who's sales and profits now obey the law of gravity.
perhaps you should wake up and smell reality.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-31 12:46 ]
Posted by NightBlade
On 2009-01-31 13:44:59, Brightspark wrote:
On 2009-01-31 02:54:08, se_dude wrote:
^^and neither are you in this forum. You are nothing but a sore apple who damages the rest.
only because i don't mindlessly and fantically praise a company that is all too well known for it's unreliable hardware and software, boring copy and paste designs, complete lack of innovation, and who's sales and profits now obey the law of gravity.
perhaps you should wake up and smell reality.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-31 12:46 ]
So, what are you doing here then?
Posted by Brightspark
On 2009-01-31 13:56:19, NightBlade wrote:
On 2009-01-31 13:44:59, Brightspark wrote:
On 2009-01-31 02:54:08, se_dude wrote:
^^and neither are you in this forum. You are nothing but a sore apple who damages the rest.
only because i don't mindlessly and fantically praise a company that is all too well known for it's unreliable hardware and software, boring copy and paste designs, complete lack of innovation, and who's sales and profits now obey the law of gravity.
perhaps you should wake up and smell reality.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-31 12:46 ]
So, what are you doing here then?
helping people wake up and smell reality.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-31 13:02 ]
Posted by NightBlade
Thank you for your concern.