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C905 CamDriver Modded


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Posted by fe1ixs

After reviewing CBE 4.1 manual, now I have more understanding about how the driver works.
I can see now that the shutter speed mode on DM actually copied the idea from CBE as well; this shutter speed mode intend to use with flash. That is why I can see a lot of inconsistency when using this mode without flash.

Since there are some limitation on the software interface, modder has to decide which settings can be considered the most important factor on giving the best performance.

VIT (EMS driver) took manual color, saturation and focus setting as the most important aspect of the camera control while he let other settings such as ISO and shutter speed be automated in his scene mode.

DM took most of CBE manual settings except saturation & color manual. He decided to combine saturation & color into 1 simple control (on/off). The problem with his approach is the color tend to overly saturated on certain light condition, especially during flash/night shoot.

I believe VIT try to adapt the best of each modders configuration and I have great confidence that he will be able to accomplish this task. I can only give a suggestion to improve his driver. After all I still thinking manual ISO could be great addition like the one CBE use for flash and non-flash ISO.

Thanks for doing this VIT. I'm looking forward for your next update.


Posted by Vit

On 2009-11-24 18:42:36, edwardob wrote:
i'm a serious vit@em ver 1.1 cam driver user....so i hope he let's me download his latest driver.


vit's right about the saturation....just try his driver
adjusting saturation certainly giving me natural looking shots

colour tuning i can't figure out yet.......but that's just me....but i'm getting there

@vit..any chance of a link? to your latest


Hi, pal! I am glad you like it! I am still trying to fix some bugs with v 1.2, though. This week has been really hard for me and I had not enough time to test it fully. It seems to be a little bit harder than I thought to get it working, free of bugs. I noticed the flash bug, too, but as it's simple to just turn the camera off, I'd decided not to solve it just yet. Sorry about that. I hope to have v 1.2 ready the next week.


On 2009-11-24 19:17:22, superleeds27 wrote:
do we have a en.lng file for vits 1.1?



Hi, pal! It's the same as for v 1.0. I may upload them all again once I get home if you have trouble with megaupload.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-24 20:00 ]


Posted by Vit

On 2009-11-24 17:54:24, panonski wrote:
vit, you're absolutely right






On 2009-11-24 20:46:07, fe1ixs wrote:

I believe VIT try to adapt the best of each modders configuration and I have great confidence that he will be able to accomplish this task. I can only give a suggestion to improve his driver. After all I still thinking manual ISO could be great addition like the one CBE use for flash and non-flash ISO.

Thanks for doing this VIT. I'm looking forward for your next update.


Thanks for the kind words, guys. I intended to offer manual ISO, but as you've noticed, once I had the intention of reducing the number of manual controls in order to make it less complicated, I've decided to put it aside in spite of other controls that seemed more important to me. Anyway, I'm still trying v 1.2 and with that I guess that issue can be more or less solved.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-24 20:11 ]


Posted by fe1ixs

Thanks for the kind words, guys. I intended to offer manual ISO, but as you've noticed, once I had the intention of reducing the number of manual controls in order to make it less complicated, I've decided to put it aside in spite of other controls that seemed more important to me. Anyway, I'm still trying v 1.2 and with that I guess that issue can be more or less solved.

@VIT

could you explain a bit more how the JPEG table works? I was trying to get the least compression image (around 6MB size). The quality was great with minimal noise and crisp. But I couldn't get it work on every shoot.

Regarding ISO, I think if you add the manual setting, it won't make things more complicated. You can follow the CBE setting if you like (with EV adjustment), so you can have more spaces for other controls. just my 2 cents. Thanks




Posted by edwardob
even swan likes vits auto mode...with a little saturation adjustment

a grey day in dublin...with the rain starting.......swan not bothered
[ This Message was edited by: edwardob on 2009-11-24 20:52 ]


Posted by edwardob


swan could'nt take anymore weather.......regardless of vit driver or dm's driver
auto mode means a car must be in the picture....does'nt it???

Posted by jake20
@VIT
so, what if i want to take an indoor shot, with auto focus settings, but the camera selects ISO 400 for me, when I would like to use maybe ISO 100 or 200?

how do i accomplish this?
I want to give your driver another shot, but not sure about how to take some pictures in different settings.
Every indoor shot I am trying to take on auto settings is set for ISO 400.
I want a lower ISO without having to use night landscape mode.

this is easily done in DM3.5/3.8 , but how can I accomplish this in EMS 1.1?
I think manual ISO is absolutely critical to have.

thanks
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-24 22:49 ]


Posted by superleeds27
[quote]
On 2009-11-20 02:53:27, Vit wrote:

On 2009-11-19 23:04:57, superleeds27 wrote:

On 2009-11-19 19:40:50, superleeds27 wrote:
What would you recommend for shots in a club?



Any ideas then guys?



If you're gonna take flash shots of people inside it, I would recommend my latest EMS driver 1.1. Here we've got two examples of flash shots taken with it. Pics look just more natural now. I really like it!





What settings did you use to get these shots?

Posted by fe1ixs

On 2009-11-24 23:25:01, jake20 wrote:
@VIT
so, what if i want to take an indoor shot, with auto focus settings, but the camera selects ISO 400 for me, when I would like to use maybe ISO 100 or 200?

how do i accomplish this?
I want to give your driver another shot, but not sure about how to take some pictures in different settings.
Every indoor shot I am trying to take on auto settings is set for ISO 400.
I want a lower ISO without having to use night landscape mode.

this is easily done in DM3.5/3.8 , but how can I accomplish this in EMS 1.1?

thanks
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-24 22:33 ]


@jake20

Vit mentioned earlier that he was considered to offer manual ISO. He didn't do that just yet because he was thinking to get some more useful features. I also think manual ISO would be a great addition. Just hope he will implement this in his future development.

If you want lower ISO for indoor shot, with VIT driver you have to choose twilight landscape mode. No other way. It just like pre-setting mode for select settings like ISO and some others. If you select full AUTO, all the settings will be subject to change. Btw, is the DM 3.8 act the same on full AUTO? I never tried full AUTO before.

@edwardob

nice pics. sharp & contrast. which driver did you use for the shot?
[ This Message was edited by: fe1ixs on 2009-11-24 22:58 ]


Posted by jake20
shootout DM 3.8 vs VIT EMS 1.1
I believe the winner here is EMS 1.1, as its more accurate color and lighting.

DM3.8 twilight portrait with color correction


VIT EMS 1.1 twilight portrait

[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-24 23:06 ]


Posted by fe1ixs
@jake20

nice comparison. both shot are great. EMS one a bit over saturated. I guess you can play with manual adjustment.


Posted by edwardob

On 2009-11-24 23:52:35, fe1ixs wrote:


@edwardob

nice pics. sharp & contrast. which driver did you use for the shot?
[ This Message was edited by: fe1ixs on 2009-11-24 22:58 ]




full auto vit ems 1.1 driver...
[ This Message was edited by: edwardob on 2009-11-24 23:44 ]


Posted by jake20
i find it almost impossible to replicate the above EMS 1.1 picture I took.. maybe its just the sensitivity of this camera, but it seems like every picture comes out different no matter what settings you have on.

Posted by kronos12
"shootout DM 3.8 vs VIT EMS 1.1
I believe the winner here is EMS 1.1, as its more accurate color and lighting. "

but still 3.8 is beta....overall EMS 1.1 seems to have great capabilities...now l am currently testing 3.8 DM,but in fiew days EMS is next

Posted by jake20

On 2009-11-25 01:22:16, kronos12 wrote:
"shootout DM 3.8 vs VIT EMS 1.1
I believe the winner here is EMS 1.1, as its more accurate color and lighting. "

but still 3.8 is beta....overall EMS 1.1 seems to have great capabilities...now l am currently testing 3.8 DM,but in fiew days EMS is next


i honestly do not know which driver is really better.. both produce great images
I think VIT's driver does need MANUAL ISO control though.. then I think I would switch over to it definitely!
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-25 00:58 ]


Posted by jake20
another shootout .. DM3.8 vs VIT EMS 1.1

auto with flash
EMS 1.1


DM 3.8 w/color correction


Posted by wahehe15
I prefer the second bec. the color is not that dark.

@Vit
I don't mean anything i'm just saying that I like DM's color more.
Be angry if you want, but I'm not here to argue.
[ This Message was edited by: wahehe15 on 2009-11-25 06:56 ]


Posted by edwardob

On 2009-11-25 02:45:22, jake20 wrote:
another shootout .. DM3.8 vs VIT EMS



if comparison is to be accurate...well then everything would have to be on auto!

you have dm3.8 with colour correction..[that's not auto]

if you had used saturation control on ems1.1 you would have got better colour

auto must be auto full on both

Posted by edwardob
examples..no saturation adjustment


slight saturation adjust...-03

Posted by jake20

On 2009-11-25 11:55:39, edwardob wrote:

On 2009-11-25 02:45:22, jake20 wrote:
another shootout .. DM3.8 vs VIT EMS



if comparison is to be accurate...well then everything would have to be on auto!

you have dm3.8 with colour correction..[that's not auto]

if you had used saturation control on ems1.1 you would have got better colour

auto must be auto full on both


I disagree with you here.
The DM Color correction is an AUTO setting in my eyes. You set color correction On or Off, and it stays that way even when you close the camera and come back in.

Yes, Vit's driver has the ability to tune the saturation, which is great, but then you have to manually adjust the levels.
That is not an ON or OFF option, like DM's color correction.

I am not saying DM's color correction is better, only that it is an AUTO feature in my eyes.

Why don't you take some comparison shots yourself then, since I seem to be the only one willing to make the effort to do this, and my only goal is to help the community produce the best driver possible, whether its Vit's EMS or DM's.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-25 14:59 ]


Posted by fe1ixs

On 2009-11-25 15:55:24, jake20 wrote:

On 2009-11-25 11:55:39, edwardob wrote:

On 2009-11-25 02:45:22, jake20 wrote:
another shootout .. DM3.8 vs VIT EMS



if comparison is to be accurate...well then everything would have to be on auto!

you have dm3.8 with colour correction..[that's not auto]

if you had used saturation control on ems1.1 you would have got better colour

auto must be auto full on both


I disagree with you here.
The DM Color correction is an AUTO setting in my eyes. You set color correction On or Off, and it stays that way even when you close the camera and come back in.

Yes, Vit's driver has the ability to tune the saturation, which is great, but then you have to manually adjust the levels.
That is not an ON or OFF option, like DM's color correction.

I am not saying DM's color correction is better, only that it is an AUTO feature in my eyes.

Why don't you take some comparison shots yourself then, since I seem to be the only one willing to make the effort to do this, and my only goal is to help the community produce the best driver possible, whether its Vit's EMS or DM's.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-25 14:59 ]



@jake20 and @edwardob

I think you both right. you just have different perspective about the "AUTO shot" term.
Lets cross our finger for a moment. Vit is working on perfecting his v1.2. He said it will solved many issues including manual ISO I hope.



Posted by jake20
@fe1ixs
agreed

If Vit's driver had the manual ISO control, and manual shutter speed control, then it would be hands down the BEST driver, no doubt about it.

Vit, what do you think?
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-25 20:03 ]


Posted by jake20
Happy Thanksgiving all!!

Here another DM 3.8 NIGHT shot w/manual shutter speed adjustment


Posted by dark_axl21
Errm so guys the latest DM driver is 3.8 beta or something else?
Its been some time since i came to this forum due to exams reasons...

Posted by dobrizmaj

On 2009-11-26 11:30:07, dark_axl21 wrote:
Errm so guys the latest DM driver is 3.8 beta or something else?
Its been some time since i came to this forum due to exams reasons...

3.8beta...

Posted by Vit

On 2009-11-24 21:43:10, fe1ixs wrote:

Thanks for the kind words, guys. I intended to offer manual ISO, but as you've noticed, once I had the intention of reducing the number of manual controls in order to make it less complicated, I've decided to put it aside in spite of other controls that seemed more important to me. Anyway, I'm still trying v 1.2 and with that I guess that issue can be more or less solved.

@VIT

could you explain a bit more how the JPEG table works? I was trying to get the least compression image (around 6MB size). The quality was great with minimal noise and crisp. But I couldn't get it work on every shoot.

Regarding ISO, I think if you add the manual setting, it won't make things more complicated. You can follow the CBE setting if you like (with EV adjustment), so you can have more spaces for other controls. just my 2 cents. Thanks




Yeap, I agree with you. But as the people claimed for a less complicated driver, I've come up with this more simple one. I will think about bringing manual ISO back to the game, but, like Jake said, I guess that manual shutter speed for non-flahs shots would be more of a help than manual ISO, so perhaps I could try to concentrate on that for a future v 2.0 realease of the EMS driver. Untill then, you may try to play with Spot Metering. Sometimes it makes up for much better shots than with Normal Metering. Give it a try.

Regarding JPEG tables, I do not know that much about them, but I know that they are used by the processing algorithm in order to convert the RAW file (the unprocessed image) captured by the camera to a JPEG file, which contains less information than the former. The highest the values for that table, the more quality the shot will present and also the more time will be needed for it to be processed (all that in theory). As every pixel contains different info about light and color between shots, not every picture will come out with the same size after being processed, as the algorithm may treat them differently according to that. Again, I am not an expert, perhaps someone else can explain that better than me.

Here you've got some examples of quatization tables for some camera models:

http://www.impulseadventure.com/photo/jpeg-quantization.html

@ superleeds:

I've used auto mode + manual saturation @ -0.3. But the Auto mode should provide similar results. Have you tested it? Take a look @ my changelog for that driver on one of my last posts. There you'll find some notes on how to get better results for flash shots of people.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-26 19:54 ]



Posted by Vit

On 2009-11-24 23:25:01, jake20 wrote:
@VIT
so, what if i want to take an indoor shot, with auto focus settings, but the camera selects ISO 400 for me, when I would like to use maybe ISO 100 or 200?

how do i accomplish this?
I want to give your driver another shot, but not sure about how to take some pictures in different settings.
Every indoor shot I am trying to take on auto settings is set for ISO 400.
I want a lower ISO without having to use night landscape mode.

this is easily done in DM3.5/3.8 , but how can I accomplish this in EMS 1.1?
I think manual ISO is absolutely critical to have.

thanks
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-24 22:49 ]



Well, have you tried to change Exposure Compensation settings in Auto Mode? That may lower the ISO. Indoor with poor lighting is critical for this phone. Either you go for the combination of low ISO and slow shutter speed or you go for high ISO plus fast shutter. I usually try to play with Exposure Compensation while on Auto mode or selecting Twilight Landscape mode for slower shutter speeds. Anyway, I agree that regarding this aspect you'll probably be better served with DM's driver, although I still think that color wise mine would perhaps be better.


On 2009-11-26 00:52:41, jake20 wrote:
Happy Thanksgiving all!!

Here another DM 3.8 NIGHT shot w/manual shutter speed adjustment



Jake, please post EXIF info for your slow shutter pics. ISO, shutter speed, etc.


On 2009-11-24 22:58:22, edwardob wrote:


swan could'nt take anymore weather.......regardless of vit driver or dm's driver
auto mode means a car must be in the picture....does'nt it???


Edward, I guess that we share the same preferences in terms of color! Your pics seem very good; precise contrast and well balanced exposure. Could you please post 100% crops of some parts of them? Thanks!
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-26 19:40 ]


Posted by jake20
@Vit
Here is larger 5MP version.. again, i took this on AUTO Focus mode, not twilight Landscape, because I did not have anything to put the camera on for support.



[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-26 19:49 ]


Posted by Vit

On 2009-11-26 20:43:52, jake20 wrote:
@Vit
Here is larger 5MP version.. again, i took this on AUTO Focus mode, not twilight Landscape, because I did not have anything to put the camera on for support.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-26 19:49 ]



Did you use manual ISO for that one?
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-26 20:00 ]


Posted by penguin_xp






Posted by Vit

On 2009-11-26 21:01:44, penguin_xp wrote:


Nice pics!

Posted by penguin_xp






Thank you! That is the result of your hardwork...
Good job Vit!
[ This Message was edited by: penguin_xp on 2009-11-26 20:11 ]


Posted by jake20

On 2009-11-26 20:59:00, Vit wrote:
Did you use manual ISO for that one?

yes, i set manual ISO at 100, and set shutter speed at EV+07

Posted by fe1ixs

On 2009-11-27 01:36:20, jake20 wrote:

On 2009-11-26 20:59:00, Vit wrote:
Did you use manual ISO for that one?

yes, i set manual ISO at 100, and set shutter speed at EV+07

here are some shots from dm 3.8

full auto, non-flash - auto iso 400, spot (notice the focus was sharp)


here is I'm experimenting with auto and set the iso manually to 100. crank up the shutter speed to +2.0, spot. Focus a bit off because I have to turn down the shutter speed to allow more light (underexposed otherwise - make it sensitive to shake).


auto, manual iso 100, spot


twilight landscape, iso off (iso 125)


Happy thanksgiving everyone!
[ This Message was edited by: fe1ixs on 2009-11-27 03:35 ]


Posted by fe1ixs
@pinguinxp

those are realy2 good shot...


Posted by penguin_xp
Thank you fe1ixs. I've used EMS 1.1 driver for those shots.
And I'm still enjoying it as of the moment...


Posted by edwardob

Edward, I guess that we share the same preferences in terms of color! Your pics seem very good; precise contrast and well balanced exposure. Could you please post 100% crops of some parts of them? Thanks!
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-26 19:40 ]



here's one example



Posted by riksilvers
@vit
I've been away for a while and can't find where to get your latest driver to test..

Posted by fangdue
Alone....


Posted by penguin_xp




Posted by TiesiogAs
Can someone explain like, in where what setting is? Like in CBS driver everything is explained, like "if you go and turn on daylight setting in the menu, you are turning on that setting, and with EV value you can adjust that value" or "If you go to red eye reduction setting and then edjusting EV value you will be adjusting exposure time" and so on. Because im kinda new to this, so it's hard to understand what setting changes what, and when to use it..
And couple shots with Vit's driver:

http://www.ipix.lt/desc/79583632/

http://www.ipix.lt/desc/62295185.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2jac0m9.jpg

Can't show pictures like you guys. Tried with imageshack and copying "thumbail for forums 1 and 2" and "hotling for forums 1 and 2" and cant get the result that you all are getting :/ So i uploaded in other site.
[ This Message was edited by: TiesiogAs on 2009-11-28 19:17 ]


Posted by jake20
went to a wildlife preserve today, got some AMAZING shots with DM 3.8






Saw a big Gator hiding out!!


[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-29 16:57 ]


Posted by rajac
@Jake
Great shots!

Posted by fe1ixs
@jake20

wow.. that is fantastic shots you got.
what setting did you use?

Posted by jake20
thanks guys,
All of those shots were taken on all AUTO settings. I took so many pictures today, I really didn't have time to play with settings before every picture. The wife was kind of getting annoyed with my camera experimenting, lol..
There were 1 or 2 shots where I did have to lock in focus in just the right spot to achieve the right exposure, or some of the pictures would come out too bright since it was a very sunny day.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-29 02:26 ]


Posted by kronos12
excellent shoots jake20 fully sharp pictures...nice nature and where is that?

Posted by jake20

On 2009-11-29 12:45:31, kronos12 wrote:
excellent shoots jake20 fully sharp pictures...nice nature and where is that?


thanks kronos12, its the Everglades in Florida

Posted by riksilvers

On 2009-11-29 17:59:02, jake20 wrote:

On 2009-11-29 12:45:31, kronos12 wrote:
excellent shoots jake20 fully sharp pictures...nice nature and where is that?


thanks kronos12, its the Everglades in Florida


Very good clear shots and on Auto too.

Posted by riksilvers
DM38 - All auto
daylight pics have colour correction on





Twilight Landscape - all auto




@vit
Wouldn't mind trying your driver.
[ This Message was edited by: riksilvers on 2009-11-29 18:25 ]


Posted by wahehe15
@jake and riksilvers
those are very nice pictures, hope I can post too but i'm too busy right now...
keep them comming


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