Posted by Vit
On 2009-11-20 19:04:51, jake20 wrote:
@VIT
Those night shots your took look very nice, but they all seem to have a reddish tone to them.
Is this how the scene actually looked? or are you adding this reddish tone to give the pictures a unique look?
thanks
No reddish tone at all, jake. You're considering only the orange lamps. Take note that there are some fluorescent ones as well, and they are all correctly depicted, as you can see. I tried to depict the actual scene, which was impossible to do with any of the preset WB options. That's what I mean with complex lighting.
Here it follows a 100% crop of one of those pics. No reddish tone at all:
Here another 100% crop in order to illustrate those yellow spots (they are too numerous and involve several contiguous pixels ; I guess it's almost impossible to get rid of them with post processing without any considerable lose detail wise):
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-20 19:38 ]
Posted by edwardob
@vit i think i found bug...
after using twilight landscpe and saturation which worked fine...i then returned to all auto settings...but the flash would'nt work
i then exited the camera and turned on again and flash worked again!
i think i understand saturation now.....did'nt quite get
now just to figure out colour tuning!
Posted by fe1ixs
Here another 100% crop in order to illustrate those yellow spots (they are too numerous and involve several contiguous pixels ; I guess it's almost impossible to get rid of them with post processing without any considerable lose detail wise):
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-20 19:38 ]
@Vit
I think you right. I played around with my camera last night and notice some arifacts appeared on the pictures especially on the dark side. I didn't know earlier if that what you mean by "yellow spot". I'm gonna try your updated EMS driver again later and see if I can get resolve this issue. Thanks.
@edwardob
Good find! I found this problem as well on DM 3.8 driver last night. the flash just won't come off until I turn off the camera and turn back on.
[ This Message was edited by: fe1ixs on 2009-11-20 20:29 ]
Posted by jake20
On 2009-11-19 23:22:18, fe1ixs wrote:
On 2009-11-19 23:04:57, superleeds27 wrote:
On 2009-11-19 19:40:50, superleeds27 wrote:
What would you recommend for shots in a club?
Any ideas then guys?
depending on what driver you use and what kind of shot (macro vs landscape). easy setting for indoor landscape (infinite focus):
original driver : twilight landscape, AUTO
DM 3.8 : twilight landscape, ISO 100, color correction ON
EMS : twilight landscape, saturation adjustment (if necessary)
these recommendation are not very practical though.. it will be very difficult to hold the camera still enough to get a good shot in a club using twilight landscape mode.
Posted by jake20
Here is a shot taken on ISO 200 DM3.8 with manual shutter adjustment
Posted by fe1ixs
Any ideas then guys?
depending on what driver you use and what kind of shot (macro vs landscape). easy setting for indoor landscape (infinite focus):
original driver : twilight landscape, AUTO
DM 3.8 : twilight landscape, ISO 100, color correction ON
EMS : twilight landscape, saturation adjustment (if necessary)
these recommendation are not very practical though.. it will be very difficult to hold the camera still enough to get a good shot in a club using twilight landscape mode.
I agree with you in term of practical. I should mention about increasing ISO to make it easier to handle. Unfortunately higher ISO means lower picture quality.
[ This Message was edited by: fe1ixs on 2009-11-20 22:08 ]
Posted by toxicneo
can anybody pls provide the setup for DM 3.8 beta?
Posted by edwardob
what do do mean setup???...if you mean install file ......it does'nt exist
try this
learn to use a2uploader...http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=181678
Use A2Uploader and copy camdriver0.dat to ifs\\\\\\\\settings\\\\\\\\camera
then put....LNG FILE in DIRECTORY :
TPA / PRESET / SYSTEM / LANGUAGE
it's a bit tricky first time.....after a while you will do it in your sleep
Posted by dobrizmaj
On 2009-11-21 07:06:26, toxicneo wrote:
can anybody pls provide the setup for DM 3.8 beta?
read this page
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=178559&start=1800
Posted by panonski
On 2009-11-21 16:07:06, dobrizmaj wrote:
On 2009-11-21 07:06:26, toxicneo wrote:
can anybody pls provide the setup for DM 3.8 beta?
read this page
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=178559&start=1800
procitaj Vuka i sedam kozlica.
sve ce ti se samo kasti
Posted by dobrizmaj
On 2009-11-21 21:11:52, panonski wrote:
On 2009-11-21 16:07:06, dobrizmaj wrote:
On 2009-11-21 07:06:26, toxicneo wrote:
can anybody pls provide the setup for DM 3.8 beta?
read this page
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=178559&start=1800
procitaj Vuka i sedam kozlica.
sve ce ti se samo kasti
izvolte ga
Posted by panonski
Posted by jake20
anyone heard from DM?
Posted by fangdue
DM 3.8
sunset on the river
Posted by jake20
@fangdue
nice shots!
what settings did you use?
Posted by fangdue
@jake20: twilight mode, shuter speed +1.7, ISO 200
Posted by kronos12
On 2009-11-21 21:20:51, dobrizmaj wrote:
On 2009-11-21 21:11:52, panonski wrote:
On 2009-11-21 16:07:06, dobrizmaj wrote:
On 2009-11-21 07:06:26, toxicneo wrote:
can anybody pls provide the setup for DM 3.8 beta?
read this page
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=178559&start=1800
procitaj Vuka i sedam kozlica.
sve ce ti se samo kasti
izvolte ga
Druze vredi li prelaziti onda sa 3.5 na 3.8 sta je tvoje licno misljenje? (za dobrizmaj)
Posted by Bryan84
On 2009-11-21 22:44:09, jake20 wrote:
anyone heard from DM?
DM, where are youuuuu!?
Posted by dobrizmaj
On 2009-11-22 13:14:55, kronos12 wrote:
On 2009-11-21 21:20:51, dobrizmaj wrote:
On 2009-11-21 21:11:52, panonski wrote:
On 2009-11-21 16:07:06, dobrizmaj wrote:
On 2009-11-21 07:06:26, toxicneo wrote:
can anybody pls provide the setup for DM 3.8 beta?
read this page
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=178559&start=1800
procitaj Vuka i sedam kozlica.
sve ce ti se samo kasti
izvolte ga
Druze vredi li prelaziti onda sa 3.5 na 3.8 sta je tvoje licno misljenje? (za dobrizmaj)
Ja sam jako zadovoljan iako je beta verzija...slike po danu idu preko 5mb! pune su detalja...na automatskim podesavanjima su jako slicni, a + ima sva manuela podesavanja koja ti trebaju...po meni je bolji 3.8
ovo sam slikao na brzaka cisto da vidis koliko moze da znaci i koje su mogusnosti, slike su `prepolovljene` zbog ogranicenja 2mb...
prva sve na automatsko, a druga brzina ok.na +2
Posted by edwardob
is this an english forum or what??/
Posted by dobrizmaj
On 2009-11-22 18:07:02, edwardob wrote:
is this an english forum or what??/
rasist...
Posted by edwardob
english is a language.......a way of communicating...nothing to do with race
the fact you could answer shows you understand
can we just stick to c905 camera drivers....which actually seem to written in english....porteguese...swedish
google has good translation page if you need it
Posted by dobrizmaj
On 2009-11-22 18:32:34, edwardob wrote:
english is a language.......a way of communicating...nothing to do with race
the fact you could answer shows you understand
can we just stick to c905 camera drivers....which actually seem to written in english....porteguese...swedish
google has good translation page if you need it
quit the bullshit...i never sad i don`t understand...if someone asks me on chinese i would answer, if i now language...if u write on serbian forum using english, i would answer u...(and guess what)...on ENGLISH, not on serbian-so u could understand!!! so, really, lets go back to what we are here...helping each other...
@kronos:
imam i sr.lng fajl ako ti treba
@edwardob
i have sr.lng file if you need (that`s for kronos, but here`s translation for u, so u don`t get mad...)
Posted by edwardob
roll on dm 3.8 complete driver...or indeed vito's new 1.2 em driver
using vito's em driver now...
@vito new one available for download yet???
Posted by kronos12
ok,that means dm 3.8 has Serbian lng file,well done so can you send it to me all on pvt,because some people dont know what is vuk karadjic hehe,joke, yes qoute good pictures are made from my c905 with 3.5 but DM is gone.....so l believe it is time to jump to 3.8
[ This Message was edited by: kronos12 on 2009-11-22 22:59 ]
Posted by kronos12
On 2009-11-22 21:17:35, edwardob wrote:
roll on dm 3.8 complete driver...or indeed vito's new 1.2 em driver
using vito's em driver now...
@vito new one available for download yet???
l havent seen this one yet,has any one test it with some pictures or some review?
Posted by edwardob
try page 139 on this thread.....
Posted by rajac
DM3.8 beta
Posted by kronos12
thanx for the page 139.
and rajac this ones are great...full perfection from sony lens and DM 3.8...
Posted by jake20
took this one at night ISO 100 - DM3.8 beta
Posted by Bryan84
DM3.5
Posted by fe1ixs
dm 3.8
I notice these shots produced very sharp pics and great noise control although the file size significantly larger than the average shot. (6MB Vs 2-3MB average). The average shots produced an aggressive file compression that reduced pictures quality a lot. You can tell if you enlarge to 100% pixel size.
I don't know exactly how to reproduce the same shot quality again. Same setting (twilight landscape, color correction on) could result different file size & pics quality. Seems like the camera has a very complex algorithm to calculate light, color, etc in order to determine the best file compression.
[ This Message was edited by: fe1ixs on 2009-11-23 16:16 ]
Posted by wahehe15
hey rajac, jake, and fe1ixs
Very nice pics using the 3.8!
I love the color
[ This Message was edited by: wahehe15 on 2009-11-23 09:55 ]
Posted by jake20
On 2009-11-12 17:07:15, riksilvers wrote:
On 2009-11-03 21:41:06, DarKMaGiCiaN wrote:
things supposed to be in the driver (( it will be in the next version ))
=========
sure I have to fix all the bugs
thinking of setting the fine mode to be normal and normal mode to be EM
improve video recording
I took this to mean there will be one more version with bugs fixed...
I think DM3.8 alpha\\beta is all we are going get from DM
Posted by edwardob
vit is a good hope for something new....his em1.2 is coming soon
Posted by jake20
On 2009-11-23 22:08:38, edwardob wrote:
vit is a good hope for something new....his em1.2 is coming soon
yes I agree, and i am glad Vit is working on improving his driver, but Vit's driver is still based on CBE 4.1, and that driver is very complicated to use compared to DM3.5/3.8
I would rather have Vit build upon DM3.5 or DM3.8 honestly.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-23 21:45 ]
Posted by edwardob
i thinks it's the best of cbe4.1 and dm own 3.5...plus some of original......a major hybrid of sorts
he has removed the complications of cbe 4.1..leaving what he considers best...added the best of dm3.5..and some original
that's my understanding anyway!
Posted by fe1ixs
On 2009-11-23 22:45:03, jake20 wrote:
On 2009-11-23 22:08:38, edwardob wrote:
vit is a good hope for something new....his em1.2 is coming soon
yes I agree, and i am glad Vit is working on improving his driver, but Vit's driver is still based on CBE 4.1, and that driver is very complicated to use compared to DM3.5/3.8
I would rather have Vit build upon DM3.5 or DM3.8 honestly.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-23 21:45 ]
@jake20
I agree completely. I'm not sure why Vit didn't choose DM 3.8/3.5 as his base. I know he prefer the original color setting, but I think he can easily modified DM setting since I assume he understand how to do the programming.
[ This Message was edited by: fe1ixs on 2009-11-23 22:35 ]
Posted by wahehe15
Actually it does not require programming, bec. you don't need to create the values you just need to modify/change it.
I also agree that he should base his driver on DM's.
Posted by fe1ixs
On 2009-11-24 07:32:35, wahehe15 wrote:
Actually it does not require programming, bec. you don't need to create the values you just need to modify/change it.
I also agree that he should base his driver on DM's.
well ... probably you right. but only modders can get the right answer. To me, it looks like an assembly language.
one of the very basic computer programming language that any other languages will derived from it.
Posted by rajac
DM3.8 night shot
Posted by Vit
On 2009-11-24 07:32:35, wahehe15 wrote:
Actually it does not require programming, bec. you don't need to create the values you just need to modify/change it.
I also agree that he should base his driver on DM's.
Man, I don't care about what you think. I am not posting my edited drivers for you, anyway. I've just kindly shared them with serious users that were not satisfied with the ones that were available before them. I've written I don't like DM's drivers' color set up. It's too saturated and too warm to my taste. If you know how to change drivers in order to get the best out of them, why bothering making your useless comments to my work here? Get on with your own life.
Posted by Vit
On 2009-11-23 22:45:03, jake20 wrote:
On 2009-11-23 22:08:38, edwardob wrote:
vit is a good hope for something new....his em1.2 is coming soon
yes I agree, and i am glad Vit is working on improving his driver, but Vit's driver is still based on CBE 4.1, and that driver is very complicated to use compared to DM3.5/3.8
I would rather have Vit build upon DM3.5 or DM3.8 honestly.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-23 21:45 ]
Complicated? I really do not see that with my latest series of EMS drivers. Sorry, pal, but that just doesn't make justice to it.
You've written about expressing feelings honestly here. So let's go:
Either you haven't read my change logs or you do not know a single thing about what DM's drivers have in essence. His drivers have basically some added values for saturation, sharpness, contrast and one set up for Color Correction, which is nothing more than one fixed set up fo the same Color Tuning that the user witchking has employed in his Cybershot Xperience 4.1 driver and that I kept in my EMS driver. Essentially, what his Color Correction does is increase the temperature of colors, what may be great for daylight shots, but that's it. DM's drivers' flash shots of people are horrible. Come back to older posts and you'll see some of those, full of saturated yellow, even with Color Correction off. I still prefer less saturation and less warm colors. It's like that. The greatest thing about DM's driver is the tables for JPEG quality, which I already use in all my mixed drivers. I too can take 6Mb shots just like with any of his drivers. I guess my drivers already have the best parts of DM's drivers. If you like them more than mine, stick to them. I have done much more than what I should do. I am not your employee. I had no support from DM here so far when I wanted to contribute to camdriver modding. The only one that have provided good support, with both messages and a superb tutorial was the REAL KING: Mr. RAIDERSKI. DM's has not answered one single question of mine. He applies many old stuff and tricks and do not give older modders the proper merit. Why should I surrender to him? Cybershot Xperience 4.1 shows much more challenging improvements than any other camdriver here.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-24 16:31 ]
Posted by jake20
@rajac
as always, you take amazing pictures! please share your settings for your latest night shots!!
@Vit
man, why are you so angry?
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-24 16:44 ]
Posted by Vit
On 2009-11-24 17:43:13, jake20 wrote:
@rajac
as always, you take amazing pictures! please share your settings for your latest night shots!!
@Vit
man, why are you so angry?
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-24 16:44 ]
You said you'd be honest about your thoughts. I'm just being honest, too. The thing is that you've got me in a bad day, that's it. So it all came out a bit harder than it should've come.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-24 16:53 ]
Posted by panonski
vit, you're absolutely right
Posted by jake20
Let me just say that I have NO allegiance to any one particular modder here.. you all deserve credit for what you are doing.
@Vit, I have thanked you numerous times for your efforts, whether I prefer your driver or not.
Ok, so here is the original user manual for CBE 4.1 for those who may have not seen it.
While you really do have TOTAL control over settings, there are just so many different menus, and options that its a little overwhelming for some users that just want the ability to change ISO, Shutter Speed, and maybe manual focus.
The DM drivers provide just about all the essentials (except manual colorsaturation) in a much easier to use interface.
This is why I prefer DM drivers right now.
********************************************************
* CYBERSHOT XPERIENCE for C905i *
* *
* (c) WITCHKING, Member No.: 92,437 @ http://www.se-nse.net *
* REGARDS *
* Hasaan Rafique / Witchking *
********************************************************
_______________________________________
USER MANUAL FOR CYBERSHOT XPERIENCE 4.0
_______________________________________
Using Cybershot Xperience Advanced is not at all difficult, as it might seem.
It is very user-friendly and convenient in usage.
Moreover, when you upload the language file provided with the driver into the required directory, you'll get a new interface with HELP and Info available for each Setting in the driver, and you won't even need to memorize or keep in mind the locations of different manual settings in the driver.
Using Manual settings will help you in getting great shots. Professional and advanced photographers will most certainly benefit to it.
However, if the user does not wish to bring them into use, just keep in mind that Cybershot Xperience is still an excellent point-and-shoot camdriver.
Keep all settings at Auto and shoot away.
USING IN AUTO-SCENE:
___________________
Outdoors:
Use in Auto-mode, turn Flash and Colour Correction to AUTO by # key to Turn Colour Correction on.
If you prefer less vivid colours, you may turn colour correction off by turning flash off.
Indoors:
Turn Flash off or on as you desire and simply capture a pic.
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Complete list of Manual Settings:
_________________________________
*EV Control in auto mode has been changed to Exposure and Flash ISO control.
So you can now simply raise Flash Exposure and ISO by raising EV in normal mode. This makes it a very easy and quick way for using flash ISO of your choice.
*Flash Shutter-speed control
Select RER flash and balance Shutterspeed by EV buttons
*Record videos in two different resolutions!
To record in 320 x 240 , just switch to video mode without Night Mode and record.
To record in 352 x 288, turn Night Mode on by pressing 6 button. Night Mode has been replaced with Higher Resolution code. To shoot with Night Mode, go to Manual Settings (2) Tab and select Video Night Mode.
In Effects menu, the Manual Settings implemented are:
*Manual Focus (Previously Black and White)
*Manual Contrast (Previously Negative)
*Manual Saturation (Previously Sepia)
*Selection of effects with EV values (Previously Solarize)
In White Balance menu, the Manual Settings implemented are:
*Manual Sharpness (Previously Daylight)
*Manual Colour Balance between Cyan and Red (Previously Cloudy)
*Manual Colour Balance Between Yellow and Purple (Previously Fluorescent)
*Selection of White Balance with EV values (Previously Incandescent)
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Using Manual Settings:
______________________
First of all, upload en.lng to tpa/preset/system/language
This will:
*Change Text in Camera Interface according to driver.
*Add brief Tutorial/Help in camera interface for each Manual Setting used in the driver.
________________
To use ISO (Light Sensitivity) Control:
For Flash Shots:
In normal mode, simply raise or lower EV to control ISO. So it is very easy to control flash exposure with this driver!
-1.0 = ISO 100
-0.7 = ISO 125
-0.3 = ISO 160
0.0 = ISO 200
+0.3 = ISO 250
+0.7 = ISO 320
+1.0 = ISO 400
+1.3 = ISO 500
+1.7 = ISO 640
+2.0 = ISO 800
For Non-Flash shots:
Switch to Beach/Snow mode which is now Non-flash ISO Control mode, simply raise or lower EV to control ISO as below
-2.0 = ISO 100
-1.7 = ISO 100
-1.3 = ISO 125
-1.0 = ISO 160
-0.7 = ISO 200
-0.3 = ISO 250
0.0 = AUTO
+0.3 = ISO 320
+0.7 = ISO 400
+1.0 = ISO 500
+1.3 = ISO 640
+1.7 = ISO 800
+2.0 = ISO 1000
________________
To use Manual Focus:
Set focus to INFINITE.
Go to Manual Settings (1).
Select Focus.
Use D-pad to change EV value. EV value will change lens position rather than exposure, so you can focus manually
-2.0 = 0 Focus steps (Infinite)
-1.7 = 4
-1.3 = 8
-1.0 = 12
-0.7 = 16
-0.3 = 18
0.0 = 20
+0.3 = 22
+0.7 = 24
+1.0 = 26
+1.3 = 28
+1.7 = 30
+2.0 = 32 (Closest focus step)
________________
To use Manual Contrast:
Go to Manual Settings (1).
Select Contrast
Change EV with D-pad to change contrast and to level your pictures manually.
EV = -2.0 (Black Contrast)
EV = +2.0 (White Contrast)
________________
To use Manual Saturation:
Go to Manual Settings (1).
Select saturation
Change EV to change Saturation.
EV = -2.0 (Minimum Saturation or Black and White pictures)
EV = + 2.0 (Maximum or insane Saturation)
________________
To use Effects:
Go to Manual Settings (1).
Select Effects
Use EV to switch between effects
EV = +0.3 (Negative)
EV = +0.7 (Solarize)
EV = +1.0 (Sepia)
EV = +1.3 (Black and White)
________________
To use Manual Colour balance:
Go to Manual Settings (2).
Balance Cyan-Red or Yellow-Purple as you desire.
Configure with EV as below.
EV = -2.0 (No extra colour)
EV = -1.7 to 0.0 (First Colour intensity. Max at 0.0)
EV = 0.3 to + 2.0 (Second colour intensity. Max at 0.3)
You may Mix colours between the Colour Balance settings
________________
To use Manual White Balance:
Go to Manual Settings (2).
Select White Balance.
EV = + 0.7 (Incandescent)
EV = + 1.0 (Fluorescent)
EV = + 1.3 (Daylight- Outdoor clear sky)
EV = + 1.7 (Cloudy- Outdoor Cloudy sky)
________________
To use Manual Sharpness:
Go to the tab in camera menu labelled Manual Settings (2).
Select Sharpness and balance it by EV buttons
More sharpness can sometimes result in more noise.
EV = -2.0 (Minimum)
EV = +2.0 (Maximum)
________________
To use manual Flash Shutter-speed:
Select RER mode in Flash
Balnace Shutter-speed by EV.
EV = -2.0 (1/5000s)
EV = +2.0 (1/3s)
________________
and Vit has added this with EMS 1.0
All new settings are under the Manual Settings menu, which replaces the original Effects menu. They are:
- Manual Focus (to be used in conjunction either with Twilight Landscape or with Normal Landscape modes);
- Manul Saturation (the smallest saturation value equals the old Black and White effect);
- Color Tuning 1 (cyan-red);
- Color Tuning 2 (yellow-blue).
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-24 17:14 ]
Posted by superleeds27
going to test vit driver, have only really tried DM. Eltoffer hasn't been round lately either.
Anyone re-up vits driver, having trouble with megaupload
[ This Message was edited by: superleeds27 on 2009-11-24 17:09 ]
Posted by edwardob
i'm a serious vit@em ver 1.1 cam driver user....so i hope he let's me download his latest driver.
vit's right about the saturation....just try his driver
adjusting saturation certainly giving me natural looking shots
colour tuning i can't figure out yet.......but that's just me....but i'm getting there
@vit..any chance of a link? to your latest
Posted by superleeds27
do we have a en.lng file for vits 1.1?