Posted by jake20
i honestly think that DM 3.5 takes just as good pics as everything i have seen posted here in the last few pages.
While the recent pictures posted are all very good, nothing really blows me away, as standing out as a driver I must have.
what we really need is comparison shots of the same image with the different drivers.
I took these with DM 3.5, a good mix of day, twilight, and night shots..
these were all taken on AUTO scene, and either ISO 100 or 200, and some manual EV settings
I took these at Disney, so unfortunately I could not switch drivers and take any comparison shots
I just want to say thanks again to DM for putting out DM 3.5.. its a great driver
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-11 03:01 ]
Posted by riksilvers
On 2009-11-10 22:07:21, edwardob wrote:
i think everyone is doing marvelous work...here.....work that sony ericsson should have done in first place.
all the drivers are better than the original.
i suppose if we wanted the perfect camera.....that's what we should do...buy a camera!this is a phone afterall.
now i a completely happy to bring it with me on holiday...without having to also carry my canon ixus.i even bought the se stand for still shots.
i'm using dm 3.5 at moment....afer trying all others only because i'm comfortable with settings.
i like what vit is doing...something i could'nt do.
the idea of having control when you want is great......auto when your're in a hurry!
i just not fully understanding ev...iso and so on..and the connection between them..so i'm standing back at moment.
this last few day have been great learning curve....so it won't be long now before i dive in.
i think from my reading over the last few days there is something here for everyone..just take your pick!
these lads are doing great work...only let's give them more thanks.......because they deserve it
I second that...the modders are doing more than I could ever do...doing more than most of us could do I expect...thats why people come here for better camdrivers. My thanks goes out to all the modders.
@jake
Very nice pics. Couldn't you have done some comparison shots then ??
[ This Message was edited by: riksilvers on 2009-11-11 00:53 ]
Posted by wahehe15
@vit
What I mean is that your last pictures d0nt look g0od, but the previous pictures you posted are g0od, I dont want to say anything bad, I just said whats true to help everyone
Posted by penguin_xp
@Vit
I really like the camdriver that you've edited. I somehow feel that it is a bit better from the results of my pics especially indoor shots. Thanks for this. I'm still looking forward to your reduced manual settings of CBE4.1+DM3.5 mix.
Here are some more shots I've taken:
With Smart Contrast:
Without Smart Contrast:
Posted by buba_SE
DM 3.5
Posted by pampi
Ey Penguin!
Nice pictures you got there, where is this place?
Looks nice and I want to travel there
Posted by mikely_28
Wahehe15, Thanks m8, but I think that we can't compare these pics. I took some night shots, and Vit took daylight shots from free hand. His pics are also nice, specially one with moving cars. Besides, I think that we're looking for a camdriver that is good for everyone of us. He likes mixed driver of two, but I prefer DM 3.8 alfa. Both R good but mixed is too complicated for me, or I just don't want to teach it
Day by day we get new experiences in doing photos and that's what I like
Posted by jake20
On 2009-11-11 20:25:25, pampi wrote:
Ey Penguin!
Nice pictures you got there, where is this place?
Looks nice and I want to travel there
I got a little chuckle from your comment pampi.. you have no comment on my pictures of Disney World, Florida, which is probably one of the most fun places to visit in the entire world.. but you say how great Penguin's location looks of a picture of a dirty side street.. no offense here, i just found that kind of funny.
Posted by wahehe15
@mikely
OK!
@jake20
nice pics you got there
btw where is the second lens you ordered in ebay?
[ This Message was edited by: wahehe15 on 2009-11-11 21:50 ]
Posted by jake20
@wahehe15
hi,
the 2nd lens arrived, it took forever... and i do not like the connector it came with, and actually prefer the clear plastic snap on connector, as its much easier to use, but unfortunately the clear snap on lens holder will not work with the mini tripod.
the tripod is also kind of cheap.. but i haven't really messed with it too much yet though.
I will test it out some more, and take a few pictures of it if you like to see in more detail.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-11 22:21 ]
Posted by wahehe15
pls. post pics of it
thanks a lot
Posted by jake20
night shot with DM 3.5
twilight landscape - AUTO
Posted by riksilvers
@DarKMaGiCiaN
Any where near with your final C905 camdriver yet..?
Posted by Bryan84
On 2009-11-12 15:36:31, riksilvers wrote:
@DarKMaGiCiaN
Any where near with your final C905 camdriver yet..?
I held back this question for so many days waiting for someone like you to ask. =D Hehe.
Posted by jake20
guys,
I would not expect a final version of DM 3.8 anytime soon, or at all even.
DM has already said he doesn't have time for this, and that is why he just put out the beta version, as its better than nothing at all.
I really hope he does finish 3.8 soon, but I am not expecting anything.
Posted by riksilvers
On 2009-11-03 21:41:06, DarKMaGiCiaN wrote:
things supposed to be in the driver (( it will be in the next version ))
=========
sure I have to fix all the bugs
thinking of setting the fine mode to be normal and normal mode to be EM
improve video recording
I took this to mean there will be one more version with bugs fixed...
Posted by rajac
On 2009-11-12 15:36:31, riksilvers wrote:
@DarKMaGiCiaN
Any where near with your final C905 camdriver yet..?
waiting and waiting...
Still waiting...
Posted by jake20
On 2009-11-12 00:50:52, wahehe15 wrote:
pls. post pics of it
thanks a lot
here you go..
Posted by rajac
DM 3.8 beta
Posted by penguin_xp
More Original+DM3.5 shots:
Posted by fe1ixs
@rajac
your pictures looks great. the color is amazing and sharp.
what setting did you use?
@penguin
I don't really like the result from your driver. I think too much noise and fuzzy.
Probably because of the object wasn't that great in camera. Try to take colorful object.
Posted by jake20
rajac's pic always seem to have that sharp and vibrant color to them, and I am not sure why.
he likes to keep his settings secret though
Posted by mikely_28
What happened with my summerhouse two days ago
DM 3.8 alpha
auto with CC ISO 200
without flash
with flash
low light
Posted by mikely_28
landscape ISO 100
Some nightshots
Posted by penguin_xp
@fe1ixs
I am just testing this camera driver. I am trying to take shots with different settings. This driver is the one edited by Vit.
Actually, I'm testing the camdrivers posted in this forum since I would like to have a camdriver that is good in low-light and night shots, including indoors. So far, I like DM 3.8 (no offense to Vit) since I have the ability to adjust settings in order to get the results I wanted. This is the reason I am also waiting Vit's reduced CBE4.1+DM3.5 mixed driver in order for me to test it.
Anyways, thanks for the comments.
[ This Message was edited by: penguin_xp on 2009-11-12 21:01 ]
Posted by jake20
ok guys, here are 2 more comparison shots.. DM3.5 vs DM3.8
Both taken in low lighting, NO flash, twilight portrait setting + EV-1.3
DM 3.5
DM 3.8
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-12 21:27 ]
Posted by jake20
I think i will be sticking with DM 3.5 for now, since I seem to be the only one posting low light comparison shots, and I do not see any low light picture improvement in 3.8 beta over 3.5, and nobody seems to be able to explain how to use the new features in DM3.8 to take better low light shots.
Here is one more indoor shot... DM3.5 twilight portrait - all AUTO.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-12 21:39 ]
Posted by fe1ixs
@jake20
try the manual shutter speed function on dm 3.8 for lowlight shot.
technically the slower the shutter speed close, the more light will come to the sensor and vice versa. In lowlight condition, you might want to crank up the EV setting up to +2.0. Don't forget to use tripod or put the camera in steady surface otherwise you may get blur picture. If not possible, try to crank up the ISO setting to 200 or up and re-adjust the shutter speed setting accordingly. I would suggest to set the ISO to 100 as you may get less noise. Remember the higher the ISO, the more sensitive camera sensor to the light.
Recommended setting for lowlight:
Normal - twilight landscape - ISO 100 - 8MP - Shutter speed EV+ - Tripod - Color correction - Focus EV+ (for Macro)
Hope helps....
[ This Message was edited by: fe1ixs on 2009-11-12 22:24 ]
Posted by jake20
On 2009-11-12 23:11:35, fe1ixs wrote:
@jake20
try the manual shutter speed function on dm 3.8 for lowlight shot.
technically the slower the shutter speed close, the more light will come to the sensor and vice versa. In lowlight condition, you might want to crank up the EV setting up to +2.0. Don't forget to use tripod or put the camera in steady surface otherwise you may get blur picture. If not possible, try to crank up the ISO setting to 200 or up and re-adjust the shutter speed setting accordingly. I would suggest to set the ISO to 100 as you may get less noise. Remember the higher the ISO, the more sensitive camera sensor to the light. Hope helps....
thanks fe1ixs, i appreciate the tips!
I had thought that the manual shutter speed was not working correctly on DM 3.8.
To be clear again... I should select shutter speed from the menu in DM3.8, then change the EV value down to a negative value in order to lower the shutter speed?
is this correct?
EDIT: When i use a negative EV value for shutter speed, the picture goes completely dark.
thanks again
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-12 22:34 ]
Posted by fe1ixs
thanks fe1ixs, i appreciate the tips!
I had thought that the manual shutter speed was not working correctly on DM 3.8.
To be clear again... I should select shutter speed from the menu in DM3.8, then change the EV value down to a negative value in order to lower the shutter speed?
is this correct?
thanks again
@jake20
Shutter speed is working fine, just can't remember the setting if you turn off and turn back on the camera.
No is not correct. If you lower down the EV under shutter speed setting, the speed will be adjusted faster, hence the less light coming to the sensor. you have to adjust the EV value up to allow more light coming (for low light condition).
Posted by jake20
@fe1ixs
Thank you!!!
finally someone who has explained how to use the settings!
Ok, i just took this picture now with DM3.8, indoor nightime, low lighting. ISO200 with shutter speed cranked up to EV+2.0
Exposure time for this picture shows as 1/5 sec.. If i have the shutter speed setting cranked up to EV+2.0, shouldnt I get a slower shutter speed than 1/5 sec?
Posted by jake20
i am starting to like DM 3.8 more...
I would of never thought a cell phone camera could take a picture like this.. at night, no flash, in semi-low lighting, and come out so good.
This camera on the C905 is truly great.. and with DM & the other modders here, its better than any point and shoot digicam i have ever owned..
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-13 00:21 ]
Posted by fe1ixs
On 2009-11-12 23:55:53, jake20 wrote:
@fe1ixs
Thank you!!!
finally someone who has explained how to use the settings!
Ok, i just took this picture now with DM3.8, indoor nightime, low lighting. ISO200 with shutter speed cranked up to EV+2.0
Exposure time for this picture shows as 1/5 sec.. If i have the shutter speed setting cranked up to EV+2.0, shouldnt I get a slower shutter speed than 1/5 sec?
@jake20
the best way to experience shutter speed lesson is by playing with it. Just play with the setting for a moment and see if you set the EV down/up, it will make the picture darker or brighter.
Shutter speed not only able to adjust the light, but also can create some artistic light effect for moving object for ex : car light.
Now to answer your question. I think 1/5 sec probably the lowest speed setting this camera can get. try to adjust to -1 and see what is the exposure time gonna be.
Posted by wahehe15
yes the shutter speed is fine but sometimes it has bugs
try using the focus in low light pictures too
@jake
i think the lens is fine as well as the stand,
i'm going to post some night pics using DM 3.8
[ This Message was edited by: wahehe15 on 2009-11-13 00:23 ]
Posted by fe1ixs
@wahehe15:
probably you right. shutter speed still has some bugs.
@jake20: the bugs might explain why the picture turn dark when you adjust to negative.
at first I was thought it is normal... well sometimes it does; it turn into darker gradually.
but in several occasion, I also noticed the camera act strange.
[ This Message was edited by: fe1ixs on 2009-11-13 00:34 ]
Posted by wahehe15
@fe1ixs
yes you're also right,
the pictures are dark even you change the values bec. of the bug
Posted by jake20
DM3.8..shutter speed 1/2 sec!
ISO 200
again, this is low light, indoor night, no flash.. DM3.8 is the best i think!
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-13 03:30 ]
Posted by rajac
@fe1ixs jake20
I'm sorry pals...
For my bad English,I'm afraid I can't explain very clearly.When I took those pics,I use auto mode and metering mode is spot.In white balance,I chose shutter speed.Iso is 100.So I could change shutter speed manually by EV + or EV -.The tip:
Open the lens cover facing the light source,then you can get the correct white balance.You can +EV to get slower shutter speed and less noise.
Posted by buba_SE
DM 3.5
Posted by fe1ixs
On 2009-11-13 02:28:00, rajac wrote:
@fe1ixs jake20
I'm sorry pals...
For my bad English,I'm afraid I can't explain very clearly.When I took those pics,I use auto mode and metering mode is spot.In white balance,I chose shutter speed.Iso is 100.So I could change shutter speed manually by EV + or EV -.The tip:
Open the lens cover facing the light source,then you can get the correct white balance.You can +EV to get slower shutter speed and less noise.
@rajac
I rarely use spot metering. I might try that later. Usually spot metering used if the bright and dark area on the object is contrast or background is too bright. normal metering on this condition will cause the light sensor confuse and make the object dark.
@jake20
congratulation. it was a great shot!
@pinguin
I agree DM 3.8 still better than Vit combo driver especially the vibrant and color result.
@buba_SE
those pictures are great too. I think DM 3.5 and 3.8 comparable in result. 3.8 probably more flexible under certain condition.
[ This Message was edited by: fe1ixs on 2009-11-13 02:13 ]
Posted by penguin_xp
2 more pics:
Posted by penguin_xp
DM 3.8
Posted by fangdue
Posted by jake20
i noticed on DM3.8 the bugs also.. like sometimes if you change a setting, like the scene, ISO level, or color correction, it is not easy to remove that setting again.
I set the color correction option, and then could not turn it off for the next shot.
hopefully DM can resolve these issues in 3.8 final.
Posted by riksilvers
DM35 macro - no flash - colour correction - ISO auto
Posted by Bryan84
DM 3.5
God's amazing creation!
Posted by penguin_xp
@Bryan84
May I know what is your setting on that shot? I believe you took that shot from direct sunlight.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by Bryan84
On 2009-11-13 16:14:48, penguin_xp wrote:
@Bryan84
May I know what is your setting on that shot? I believe you took that shot from direct sunlight.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I took this shot in the car actually. So it was through a windscreen. Anyway here are the settings (i've resized the original image). Landscape.
Posted by penguin_xp
On 2009-11-13 16:40:48, Bryan84 wrote:
On 2009-11-13 16:14:48, penguin_xp wrote:
@Bryan84
May I know what is your setting on that shot? I believe you took that shot from direct sunlight.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I took this shot in the car actually. So it was through a windscreen. Anyway here are the settings (i've resized the original image). Landscape.
Thank you for your reply. I asked your settings because as I can see based on the shot of the clouds I've taken from my previous post, it's darker than your shot considering that I took it directly from sunlight and was using DM3.8. My only setting on that shot was landscape, color correction on, and -0.7EV. That is also why I asked if you took the shot directly from sunlight. From these shots, I somehow feel that DM3.8 produces darker shots than DM3.5. I'm not sure enough though.
Posted by penguin_xp
I get it! I think I took the shot in a wrong way. I actually took the shot directly against the sunlight.
That is the reason, maybe, I got a darker result. I will try to take some more shots for testing.