Posted by Vit
On 2009-09-29 19:19:21, anouk82 wrote:
On 2009-09-29 15:23:41, Vit wrote:
Hello, guys. I have just got a C905 to replace my good old N82, and I all I can say is that I am quite disappointed with it.
I will post some indoor shots which I took with both DM 3.5 and with the stock driver and compare them with a N82's shot.
Ok, the Nokia did not manage to get the focus right, but the color reproduction is way better than in the C905. Mind you that the Nokia had everything set in auto mode, and the C905 was set to incandescent light, both with stock and with DM 3.5. It seems that the C905 lacks color saturation and some contrast, too. In addition, the C905 produces a lot of horrible yellow spots in the middle of the picture. This is more apparent with DM 3.5, and less with the stock driver. So the pixel to pixel detail is quite unacceptable for such a premium device.
I guess that turning the flash off was a better way to test the camera quality. In the noise department all I have to comment is that the C905 is on par with the Nokia.
Mind you that I've got the latest firmware (R1FA035), so it's not a matter of being outdated.
N82:
C905 stock driver:
C905 DM 3.5:
That's why there is colour correction in DM 3.5.I have stock 2.8 original vs DM 3.5 and believe me DM's is WAY better.
[ This Message was edited by: anouk82 on 2009-09-29 18:21 ]
Ok, I'll try it out and then post pictures with color correction on to see what happens. Thanks!
Posted by eltoffer
Well this is my new release but not the final version it is 3.9 it is all way different than previous versions, so if you have tested my prev ver and didnt like you please give this new one a chance, this is not the final ver since im still working on flash shots, special thanks to ToMaSoo7, pal i improve the color you mentioned
has CIF video and also QVGA, for CIF chose night mode and for QVGA chose normal mode
has manual ISO instead WB and values are, auto 100, 200, 320, 400
and manual focus for videos
http://www.4shared.com/file/1[....]4/df8d1c09/_2__camdriver0.html
enjoy
Posted by rajac
Are you kidding me,boys?I don't wanna say anything.Just take a look at these pics.You can see what pics can be made by C905.
Posted by rajac
Posted by panonski
On 2009-09-29 17:00:57, wahehe15 wrote:
I think c905 is the best camera phone for now, if your not happy with it you can dispose it! no body is forcing you to use that phone. If only you can use it correctly maybe you wont complain...
yes, i like people who doesn't like constructive critic.
if you don't like it, don't use it.
hahahaha...what a moron
Posted by Vit
@ Rajac:
Nice shots, man! I like very much that railway picture!
May I ask you something? When I had my K800 I could manually select both ISO and shutter speeds. You can some of my old pictures here: http://www.esato.com/board/vi[....]152275&start=2700#post2208949.
How can you get that much exposure time with DM drivers? It's not dark yet here in Brazil, so it's gonna take some time until I try this (mind you that this is my second day with the phone), but I intend to set the ISO to 100 and then try to get a longer exposure time by pointing at the darkest object within the scene, using spot metering, or perhaps increasing the EV - as the ISO is fixed, increasing the EV would theoretically give me more exposure time - both in twilight landscape mode.
Another thing: could you please give us some 100% crop slices of some of your pictures? I guess they are very appealing, but it's hard to tell how they look when zoomed in.
Thanks!
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-09-29 21:35 ]
Posted by aszhou75
DM3.5 night shot----original images
[ This Message was edited by: aszhou75 on 2009-09-29 23:28 ]
Posted by jake20
Ok, i just debranded.. here are 2 pictures.. one is original R1FA035 stock cam driver, and the other is a sony cybershot 10.1 MP digital camera.
Can you guess which picture is the C905?
Posted by aszhou75
On 2009-09-30 00:01:42, jake20 wrote:
Ok, i just debranded.. here are 2 pictures.. one is original R1FA035 stock cam driver, and the other is a sony cybershot 10.1 MP digital camera.
Can you guess which picture is the C905?
SONYERICSSON C905!!! 
Posted by Vit
On 2009-09-30 00:01:42, jake20 wrote:
Ok, i just debranded.. here are 2 pictures.. one is original R1FA035 stock cam driver, and the other is a sony cybershot 10.1 MP digital camera.
Can you guess which picture is the C905?
I would say that the C905 is the second one.
Here it follows a 100% crop of those terrible yellow spots I mentioned before. I've just took this picture with DM 3.5 driver, ISO 100, auto mode and color correction on. It doesn't seem to be any better than before. Look at the corners of the picture. The yellow spots tend to be stronger there. But it is also in the middle in some pictures:
I have got some good pictures, though. The first of the following was taken with twilight landscape mode on and with ISO 100. Needless to say that for this first one I used another object to support it and also needed to use the timer function. The others were taken with auto mode and color correction on. You can still notice the yellow color aberration.
@ Dark Magician:
Man, you have done a great job! Outdoor and night landscapes pictures are awesome with your driver! I still have some things to add, though. Perhaps one additional step would be to improve the white balance for all different settings in low lit enviroments without flash.
@ Eltoffer:
I still need to try your drivers and I look forward to.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-09-30 00:59 ]
Posted by jake20
On 2009-09-30 00:50:13, Vit wrote:
On 2009-09-30 00:01:42, jake20 wrote:
Ok, i just debranded.. here are 2 pictures.. one is original R1FA035 stock cam driver, and the other is a sony cybershot 10.1 MP digital camera.
Can you guess which picture is the C905?
I would say that the C905 is the second one.
correct!!
Posted by Vit
On 2009-09-30 01:21:08, jake20 wrote:
On 2009-09-30 00:50:13, Vit wrote:
On 2009-09-30 00:01:42, jake20 wrote:
Ok, i just debranded.. here are 2 pictures.. one is original R1FA035 stock cam driver, and the other is a sony cybershot 10.1 MP digital camera.
Can you guess which picture is the C905?
I would say that the C905 is the second one.
correct!!
I picked it because I thought that it resolved a little less detail than the other (though both pictures are small here and so is hard to be sure about that).
Posted by jake20
ok, here are 2 more shots.. Both low light with flash all auto settings.. first original driver, then DM3.5
Original R1FA035 driver
DM 3.5
Posted by jake20
On 2009-09-30 00:50:13, Vit wrote:
The others were taken with auto mode and color correction on.
The others were taken with auto mode and color correction on.
sorry, i just got my phone today.. but where is this color correction setting? i dont see it
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-09-30 02:17 ]
Posted by wahehe15
@ vit
i'm sorry too
lets just wait for more improvements..
lets hope that there will be a better driver
@ rajac
no one said that c905's camera is not nice their point is it still needs improvements
[ This Message was edited by: wahehe15 on 2009-09-30 03:26 ]
Posted by eltoffer
well im very satisfied with this driver i got all i wanted and here is my sample
All shots from Eltoffer version 3.9
Outdoor macro shots daylight
Outdoor shots daylight
Outdoor shots nightmode
Indoor shots nightmode
Skin shot flash portraitmode
Indoor flash shots (no yellow spots)
Indoor macro flash shots
Well i think it is now ready and if you like it and find any bug please let me know, hope you like it
[ This Message was edited by: eltoffer on 2009-09-30 05:12 ]
Posted by wahehe15
is it usual that when the setting is in night mode landscape the camera is very slow or lagging?
and the best pic is also slow
i'm using DM's 3.5
auto
[ This Message was edited by: wahehe15 on 2009-09-30 06:52 ]
Posted by fangdue
@ DarkMagician and Eltoffer:
Hi all, My C905's FW is: R1EA033 prg1205-9079_GENERIC_SI R1EA033
on 09:19 Sep 22, when DarkMagician updated ver 3.5,i moded to my fone and using this ver until now , everything's ok, but today
i've a problem, cam setting auto all, 8MPx, when i take a photo, my fone produces a picture with very large size (~4MB), so can't edit in PhotoDJ.i moded my cam again, and the same result
so that, i use the cam driver of elToffer (3.8 ), this problem is no longer, size of pictures is normal (~2MB), and can be edited in PhotoDJ.
so, what's problem in my fone, and how can i fix this?.Thx all
and this is the picture
[ This Message was edited by: fangdue on 2009-09-30 09:04 ]
Posted by anouk82
On 2009-09-30 09:57:21, fangdue wrote:
@ DarkMagician and Eltoffer:
Hi all, My C905's FW is: R1EA033 prg1205-9079_GENERIC_SI R1EA033
on 09:19 Sep 22, when DarkMagician updated ver 3.5,i moded to my fone and using this ver until now , everything's ok, but today
i've a problem, cam setting auto all, 8MPx, when i take a photo, my fone produces a picture with very large size (~4MB), so can't edit in PhotoDJ.i moded my cam again, and the same result
so that, i use the cam driver of elToffer (3.8 ), this problem is no longer, size of pictures is normal (~2MB), and can be edited in PhotoDJ.
so, what's problem in my fone, and how can i fix this?.Thx all
and this is the picture
[ This Message was edited by: fangdue on 2009-09-30 09:04 ]
it's no promlem mate...read before installing a new driver!DM's driver is able to get bigger file size images for INCREASED detail.that's all.And yes some of them can't be opened with photo dj....so what?
Posted by fangdue
On 2009-09-30 10:11:29, anouk82 wrote:
On 2009-09-30 09:57:21, fangdue wrote:
@ DarkMagician and Eltoffer:
Hi all, My C905's FW is: R1EA033 prg1205-9079_GENERIC_SI R1EA033
on 09:19 Sep 22, when DarkMagician updated ver 3.5,i moded to my fone and using this ver until now , everything's ok, but today
i've a problem, cam setting auto all, 8MPx, when i take a photo, my fone produces a picture with very large size (~4MB), so can't edit in PhotoDJ.i moded my cam again, and the same result
so that, i use the cam driver of elToffer (3.8 ), this problem is no longer, size of pictures is normal (~2MB), and can be edited in PhotoDJ.
so, what's problem in my fone, and how can i fix this?.Thx all
and this is the picture
[ This Message was edited by: fangdue on 2009-09-30 09:04 ]
it's no promlem mate...read before installing a new driver!DM's driver is able to get bigger file size images for INCREASED detail.that's all.And yes some of them can't be opened with photo dj....so what?
all of pics when i set 8MPx is cant open in photoDJ, i'd tried many times
Posted by anouk82
On 2009-09-30 10:28:42, fangdue wrote:
On 2009-09-30 10:11:29, anouk82 wrote:
On 2009-09-30 09:57:21, fangdue wrote:
@ DarkMagician and Eltoffer:
Hi all, My C905's FW is: R1EA033 prg1205-9079_GENERIC_SI R1EA033
on 09:19 Sep 22, when DarkMagician updated ver 3.5,i moded to my fone and using this ver until now , everything's ok, but today
i've a problem, cam setting auto all, 8MPx, when i take a photo, my fone produces a picture with very large size (~4MB), so can't edit in PhotoDJ.i moded my cam again, and the same result
so that, i use the cam driver of elToffer (3.8 ), this problem is no longer, size of pictures is normal (~2MB), and can be edited in PhotoDJ.
so, what's problem in my fone, and how can i fix this?.Thx all
and this is the picture
[ This Message was edited by: fangdue on 2009-09-30 09:04 ]
it's no promlem mate...read before installing a new driver!DM's driver is able to get bigger file size images for INCREASED detail.that's all.And yes some of them can't be opened with photo dj....so what?
all of pics when i set 8MPx is cant open in photoDJ, i'd tried many times
I just answer....it;s becouse of the big filesize.Detail vs photo dj,which do you prefer?
Posted by Bryan84
On 2009-09-30 10:28:42, fangdue wrote:
On 2009-09-30 10:11:29, anouk82 wrote:
On 2009-09-30 09:57:21, fangdue wrote:
@ DarkMagician and Eltoffer:
Hi all, My C905's FW is: R1EA033 prg1205-9079_GENERIC_SI R1EA033
on 09:19 Sep 22, when DarkMagician updated ver 3.5,i moded to my fone and using this ver until now , everything's ok, but today
i've a problem, cam setting auto all, 8MPx, when i take a photo, my fone produces a picture with very large size (~4MB), so can't edit in PhotoDJ.i moded my cam again, and the same result
so that, i use the cam driver of elToffer (3.8 ), this problem is no longer, size of pictures is normal (~2MB), and can be edited in PhotoDJ.
so, what's problem in my fone, and how can i fix this?.Thx all
and this is the picture
[ This Message was edited by: fangdue on 2009-09-30 09:04 ]
it's no promlem mate...read before installing a new driver!DM's driver is able to get bigger file size images for INCREASED detail.that's all.And yes some of them can't be opened with photo dj....so what?
all of pics when i set 8MPx is cant open in photoDJ, i'd tried many times
Photoshop them then
Posted by Raiderski
Do you find that picture look like it was taken with slow shutter speed?-I mean you probably see that grass seem blurred-but in some small parts it looks very sharp. But shutter speed was 1/250 and it shouldnt bee blurried. The strange thing is that --often when i use very qualillity quantization table (numbers close to 1) very fine details seem often blureed. I was wondering why this happens, especially because I expect if encoder dont have enough bits to encode fine details (because I rise quality of quantization table) picture should look like more blocked(like in divx).
But today i have found that some jpg endoders use JPG2000 COMPRESSION. Read more on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_2000
And because I have never seen any blocking artifact on c905 --only blurring artifacts(see example of picture up) I am now sure that C905 use JPG2000 COMPRESSION. And conclusion of this story is -that i have noticed more blurred fine details with very qualillity quantization matric before I know for this artifact and that this artifact is in conected with jpg encoder. For me that is no coincidence and I canot say for me that it was placebo effect because I didnt expect this sort of artifact and I thought i had shaky hands(which is for hig shutter speed almost imposible).
But today i have found that some jpg endoders use JPG2000 COMPRESSION. Read more on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_2000
And because I have never seen any blocking artifact on c905 --only blurring artifacts(see example of picture up) I am now sure that C905 use JPG2000 COMPRESSION. And conclusion of this story is -that i have noticed more blurred fine details with very qualillity quantization matric before I know for this artifact and that this artifact is in conected with jpg encoder. For me that is no coincidence and I canot say for me that it was placebo effect because I didnt expect this sort of artifact and I thought i had shaky hands(which is for hig shutter speed almost imposible).
problem described by you have nothing to do with jpeg compression. you unnecessarily looking for the problem in compression, where it isn't. this kind of blur cannot be artefact of compression. even if it's JPEG2000 it doesn't change anything. compression in SE phones is very good, whole algorithm is just great and works fine. look, you have vertiginous 97% quality and 4.5MB file but you're still dissatisfied. moreover, with 90% quality and 2.5MB you won't find any significant differences on pictures then why do you need very high quality for pictures which are demolished in postprocessing: smoothing (noise remove) and then sharpening? that's the real problem
OK C905 use variable quantization but this table in camdrive is tellin then upper limit. And if you delete q.table there is no limits for coeficients.
no it's not. you can delete them and nothing will happen, you can set values for very big compression and nothing will happen. these tables do nothing
Second question:
Supposing C905 use JPG2000 COMPRESSION. In Wikipedia is written that the main advantage offered by JPEG2000 is the significant flexibility of the codestream and it is clear from one study ( http://www.geocities.com/ee00224/btp2.html ) that JPEG2000 works better only when the image is highly compressed.
Is in this part of camdrive flexibility of the JPG2000 COMPRESSION defined?
F0 0A // JPEG_MAX_CODE_SIZE = 2800d
08 07 // JPEG_MIN_CODE_SIZE = 1800d
98 08 // JPEG_TARGET_CODE_SIZE = 2200d
Supposing C905 use JPG2000 COMPRESSION. In Wikipedia is written that the main advantage offered by JPEG2000 is the significant flexibility of the codestream and it is clear from one study ( http://www.geocities.com/ee00224/btp2.html ) that JPEG2000 works better only when the image is highly compressed.
Is in this part of camdrive flexibility of the JPG2000 COMPRESSION defined?
F0 0A // JPEG_MAX_CODE_SIZE = 2800d
08 07 // JPEG_MIN_CODE_SIZE = 1800d
98 08 // JPEG_TARGET_CODE_SIZE = 2200d
no, it's not. I wrote that many times before but you don't want to listen. once again, SE phones uses variable compression. this method can compute the best quality for desired file size (above parameters). it doesn't matter whether it is JPEG or JPEG2000
Posted by wahehe15
@ fangdue
bigger size for me is good news! meaning the picture quality is better
Posted by fangdue
DM 3.5 but just 5MPx >.<
blooming...
Posted by anouk82
DM 3.5
Posted by mikely_28
DM 3.5 landscape mode
Auto mode with Colour correction
Posted by jake20
can someone please tell me what color correction is????
Posted by mikely_28
On 2009-09-30 18:08:05, jake20 wrote:
can someone please tell me what color correction is????
Yes. In DM 3.5 Effects = ISO and in White Balance function under Auto setting there is Daylight setting. DM changed it to colour correction. It gives U better colours, more natural.
Posted by mikely_28
ElToffer landscape mode
Auto mode ISO 200
Macro mode ISO 200
Macro mode with flash
Portrait mode without flash
Auto mode without flash
Auto mode with flash
Night portrait red eye reduction
Besides it if I tried to take landscape picture in auto with flash the only thing on photo was white screen. Don't know why.
Posted by eaglearc
hello, Is there another place to download DM35.zip?, thank you for your help.
Posted by eltoffer
to give some support to riderski comments, here is a pic 100% crop from these 2 drivers dm3.5 and mine 3.9, i cant notice any difference just a little on SHARPNESS but this is not due QUANTIZATION TABLE values just SHARPNESS, DM has 8 and mine has 4
BTW notice size pic is almost DOUBLE but it doesnt affet at all on image quality, thats why i didnt set a higher buffer size, i rather have more spce to music videos and photos than waste space for nothing at least nothing notable for my eyes
[ This Message was edited by: eltoffer on 2009-09-30 18:19 ]
Posted by rajac
On 2009-09-30 06:10:12, eltoffer wrote:
well im very satisfied with this driver i got all i wanted and here is my sample
All shots from Eltoffer version 3.9
Outdoor macro shots daylight
Outdoor shots daylight
Outdoor shots nightmode
Indoor shots nightmode
Skin shot flash portraitmode
Indoor flash shots (no yellow spots)
Indoor macro flash shots
Well i think it is now ready and if you like it and find any bug please let me know, hope you like it
[ This Message was edited by: eltoffer on 2009-09-30 05:12 ]
Incredible pics!!!
They're so nice!!!
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Posted by jake20
On 2009-09-29 20:08:50, eltoffer wrote:
Well this is my new release but not the final version it is 3.9 it is all way different than previous versions, so if you have tested my prev ver and didnt like you please give this new one a chance, this is not the final ver since im still working on flash shots, special thanks to ToMaSoo7, pal i improve the color you mentioned
has CIF video and also QVGA, for CIF chose night mode and for QVGA chose normal mode
has manual ISO instead WB and values are, auto 100, 200, 320, 400
and manual focus for videos
http://www.4shared.com/file/1[....]4/df8d1c09/_2__camdriver0.html
enjoy
can you make an auto ISO version of this driver, so I can have the white balance options?
thanks for all of your effort!!
Posted by eltoffer
On 2009-09-30 19:44:56, jake20 wrote:
On 2009-09-29 20:08:50, eltoffer wrote:
Well this is my new release but not the final version it is 3.9 it is all way different than previous versions, so if you have tested my prev ver and didnt like you please give this new one a chance, this is not the final ver since im still working on flash shots, special thanks to ToMaSoo7, pal i improve the color you mentioned
has CIF video and also QVGA, for CIF chose night mode and for QVGA chose normal mode
has manual ISO instead WB and values are, auto 100, 200, 320, 400
and manual focus for videos
http://www.4shared.com/file/1[....]4/df8d1c09/_2__camdriver0.html
enjoy
can you make an auto ISO version of this driver, so I can have the white balance options?
thanks for all of your effort!!
take a look now ^^
http://www.4shared.com/file/1[....]/e5080349/camdriver0noiso.html
Posted by jake20
On 2009-09-30 20:19:55, eltoffer wrote:
On 2009-09-30 19:44:56, jake20 wrote:
On 2009-09-29 20:08:50, eltoffer wrote:
Well this is my new release but not the final version it is 3.9 it is all way different than previous versions, so if you have tested my prev ver and didnt like you please give this new one a chance, this is not the final ver since im still working on flash shots, special thanks to ToMaSoo7, pal i improve the color you mentioned
has CIF video and also QVGA, for CIF chose night mode and for QVGA chose normal mode
has manual ISO instead WB and values are, auto 100, 200, 320, 400
and manual focus for videos
http://www.4shared.com/file/1[....]4/df8d1c09/_2__camdriver0.html
enjoy
can you make an auto ISO version of this driver, so I can have the white balance options?
thanks for all of your effort!!
take a look now ^^
http://www.4shared.com/file/1[....]/e5080349/camdriver0noiso.html
dam, you are the best!! thanks!!
Let me ask your advice .. I want to take the best quality pictures with the least amount of manual configuration.
What driver, and camera settings would you recommend for general outdoor and indoor use?
thanks again!!!
Posted by eltoffer
well i have test DM and i like it but i did mine to have the best AUTO settings for all modes just set the mode you should use and all settings must be the best but its your choice just test both and decide
Posted by jake20
On 2009-09-30 21:09:58, eltoffer wrote:
well i have test DM and i like it but i did mine to have the best AUTO settings for all modes just set the mode you should use and all settings must be the best but its your choice just test both and decide
ok, I will try out your new driver, and post some pics.
one more question.. in your new driver.. I see you removed night mode for video, and replaced it with cif video.
is the night mode a valuable feature that I will miss now that it is gone?
thanks!
Posted by mikely_28
ElToffer 3.9
Night Landscape
Dark place Macro with flash
Dark place macro with flash focused on point
Posted by eltoffer
On 2009-09-30 21:21:41, jake20 wrote:
On 2009-09-30 21:09:58, eltoffer wrote:
well i have test DM and i like it but i did mine to have the best AUTO settings for all modes just set the mode you should use and all settings must be the best but its your choice just test both and decide
ok, I will try out your new driver, and post some pics.
one more question.. in your new driver.. I see you removed night mode for video, and replaced it with cif video.
is the night mode a valuable feature that I will miss now that it is gone?
thanks!
i will try to have option to make it available on both res
Posted by Bryan84
Alright I shall try eltoffer 3.9 since I like it that it's best on all AUTO than manual.
Posted by mikely_28
DM 3.5
Macro with flash, dark place focused on point
I don't know what U guys doing but I will never learn how to do good night pics. All I get is:
What settings should I use to get pictures like anouk or other people???
Posted by eltoffer
try to put on a tripode or something to avoid moving the camera, and also set sefltimer on and shot you will notice the difference
Posted by mikely_28
Thanks Man I will give a try!!!
Posted by anouk82
testing toffer 3.9...
Posted by panonski
QUESTION ...
WHY...WHY....
Are yellow dots often seen on pics takken in good room light ( not dark )
It's so frustrated... Many noise, and yellow dots..... LOOK THOSE LITTLE GIRL ON EARLIER PHOTOS ON PAGE 99, or 98.
Posted by jake20
On 2009-09-30 22:59:50, anouk82 wrote:
testing toffer 3.9...
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anouk, what are your settings for this night shot??? it looks great, and so clear
Posted by anouk82
On 2009-09-30 23:09:22, jake20 wrote:
On 2009-09-30 22:59:50, anouk82 wrote:
testing toffer 3.9...
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anouk, what are your settings for this night shot??? it looks great, and so clear
twilight landscape.
Posted by mikely_28
panonski: I don't know what do U expect. Just take a look : U have a phone. A camera is just added thing. If U want perfect shots buy professional camera like sony alpha. Just take a look what Toffer & DM did with this addon to phone. They did almost prof camera. What do U expect? Not everything can be fixed. Some things should be like they are. For me the pictures that I take with both camdrives are almost perfect! And it's enough for me! I have good quality digital camera made by Canon. Belive me - I rather take pictures with my C905 with modded camdriver than with my digital camera. The camera is quite big. The phone I have always with me. Give them a little rest! DM and Toffer will do everything to make camdrive better but some things will stay as they are. They can manage it. Tell me what will U do without modified camdriver by them??? Any complains? No! Phone takes pictures as it takes 'cos it's just a phone - not a digital camera. Peace man! I don't mind for Yellow dots.
DM & ELTOFFER KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!
Posted by mazi292
DM 3.5