Posted by djin
nice, i too was thinking they should let go of windows.. SE can no way compete against HTC for wm now... HTC's latest ui is very very good. Compared to that x2 doesnt seem like it would offer a good xperience.
Symbian and andriod seems to be great(especially symbian)...
Posted by razec
On 2009-09-08 21:06:26, m.h Croatia wrote:
And that`s suppose to be spectacular and new? We`ve already seen 720p video..
Though I appreciate your hint
If you're referring to OmniaHD then you haven't seen the real quality 720p HD then. its hardware is not capable of powering a fluid 720p video without too much compromise in either bitrates or framerate. well lets see if "Satio II" would be based on a true HD-capable processor like the OMAP 3440 or hummingbird, wish it was Android though so that we can possibly see snapdragon or tegra
Posted by goldenface
@badassmam
It looks like the cash cow could be Aino. With the PS3 slim outselling the XBox 360 by 10 - 1 right now it seems Aino has appeared at the right time.
link
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Posted by doministry
But I don't believe they will ditch WM.
Because from what you say, ANY other company should kick the WM,
like Samsung or LG. This is unreal.
I read somwhere that X2 premiere was kind of very important for Microsoft itself,
some VIP figures were present there....
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2009-09-09 11:18 ]
Posted by synn
On 2009-09-09 12:14:10, doministry wrote:
But I don't believe they will ditch WM.
Because from what you say, ANY other company should kick the WM,
like Samsung or LG. This is unreal.
I read somwhere that X2 premiere was kind of very important for Microsoft itself,
some VIP figures were present there....
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2009-09-09 11:18 ]
It's just another round of propaganda by Sir Eldar of smokesandmirrorsville.
There are more people active online with closer insider info on WM and SE than Eldar can ever wish for. Isn't it surprising that none of them have mentioned anything on these lines?
Eldar drops hints about longterm support for the X2 just before it is launched and his faithful followers start to panic. It's a nice plan. Except some of us have the ability to think logically.
Posted by doministry
On 2009-09-09 12:48:06, synn wrote:
On 2009-09-09 12:14:10, doministry wrote:
But I don't believe they will ditch WM.
Because from what you say, ANY other company should kick the WM,
like Samsung or LG. This is unreal.
I read somwhere that X2 premiere was kind of very important for Microsoft itself,
some VIP figures were present there....
It's just another round of propaganda by Sir Eldar of smokesandmirrorsville.
There are more people active online with closer insider info on WM and SE than Eldar can ever wish for. Isn't it surprising that none of them have mentioned anything on these lines?
Eldar drops hints about longterm support for the X2 just before it is launched and his faithful followers start to panic. It's a nice plan. Except some of us have the ability to think logically.
Ok, that's what I see also indeed....
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2009-09-09 12:01 ]
Posted by ares
Except some of us have the ability to think logically.
Tell me what´s the logic for a company with the limited resources, and bad financial condition, like SE, to support THREE different smartphone platforms, plus feature phones?
Posted by synn
On 2009-09-09 15:32:47, ares wrote:
Except some of us have the ability to think logically.
Tell me what´s the logic for a company with the limited resources, and bad financial condition, like SE, to support THREE different smartphone platforms, plus feature phones?
Do any of us actually KNOW exactly HOW MUCH resources it takes to actually develop a platform? Do we know for a fact that none of the team members for one platform do double duty and work in the others? The XDA developers have less resources than any company out there and they still manage to get things done smimmingly, don't they? Mind you, we haven't even talked about outsourcing here; which is still a very effective cost control measurement.
Internet cliches are easy to pass on from person to person without actually spending time to think about their intricacies. That's all I'm saying.
Posted by mreman4k
When I worked at SE, there were separate teams for separate platforms. For example, there was a separate team for the WinMo platform (hardware engineers, mechanical engineers, software engineers, verification engineers, etc.). There was also a separate team for SE's feature phone platform (some shared with Ericsson). There is also a separate team for their Symbian/UIQ platform. Finally there was a separate team for their entry-level phones. I would guess there is a separate team for their Android platform as well.
This was before the realignment program. They seemed to have merged their feature phone platform into one team/organization during the realignment, however, there are different required skillsets/requirements to work with WinMo, Symbian, and Android (at least on the software side).
The work XDA does is great work, but is very trivial to the amount of work that goes into bringing a platform up from scratch, trust me.
Posted by dr.W
On 2009-09-07 02:12:28, badassmam wrote:
A lot of people are mixing up specs and names for HTC, I cannot say what but there are Androids and WinMo phones coming soon i.e. on sale this year, some great high end devices. The announcement should be soon anyway, before October when WinMo 6.5 is officially out.
Back on topic, Google have had a lot of feedback from people wanting multi touch on Android. It is part of their plans but not their top priority. A few phones are reported to be getting Android multi touch like from HTC and Motorola so it would be logical for Rachael to get multi touch as well in which case, a capacitive screen for Rachael......?
Thanks for the promising info, can you say whether any of the upcoming HTC screamers will have physical (slide out) keyboards or will they all be touchscreen only?
Posted by crossmatched
whatever happened to the rumored RIGHTFUL successor of T650?
will we see that this year or next year at MWC?
Posted by mobse
@crossmatched,
Now, that would be one hell of an eagerly awaited rumour, indeed.
Posted by razec
I believe we won't be seeing any reincarnation or direct successors for those. with the advent of Xperia Pureness, SE finally starts thinking for something new. i hope the future devices would have its own innovation. we already had phones with specs of the highest standards that many of us had wished ever since (X2, aino or Satio for example) and it was proven that innovation in terms of putting up all the specs doesn't really make a device good.
Posted by se_love
Isn't the Aino SE's 5800? I mean with enough advertisment big profits could come from it. I mean its what 450-500 euros?
Posted by se_dude
^^Sweden pre-order price is around 400 euros.
Posted by jack00
se would need something like the palm pixi
Posted by razec
On 2009-09-10 11:53:54, jack00 wrote:
se would need something like the palm pixi
The purpose of the pixi is to broaden the Palm's audience since the pre is limitedly available. while Satio does, who really should care for a low spec'd smartphone if the manufacturer doesn't have a OS platform to promote like Palm?
Posted by jack00
On 2009-09-10 14:02:39, razec wrote:
The purpose of the pixi is to broaden the Palm's audience since the pre is limitedly available. while Satio does, who really should care for a low spec'd smartphone if the manufacturer doesn't have a OS platform to promote like Palm?
this is exactly the point
palm is currently repositioning themself, but of course the only reason why they are able to do so is their own software platform. i don't mean that se should develop their own software paltform, because thats not what they are good at. they need to put all their efford on one single software platform and develop a family of products out of one platform. this is sustainable and a comparable cheap way to gain marketshare today.
[ This Message was edited by: jack00 on 2009-09-10 13:32 ]
Posted by Legen
any news on Rachael? every other phone maker seems to have an android phone coming soon(this year), think its the same case with sonyericsson?
Posted by doministry
On 2009-09-10 14:57:33, Legen wrote:
any news on Rachael? every other phone maker seems to have an android phone coming soon(this year), think its the same case with sonyericsson?
No Nokia on Android AFAIK, no not every....
Posted by Sutitan
All this X2 and pureness talk has made everyone forget about mizz's rugged?C702 successor.
What are they going to improve on, ruggedness or specs? Ip57 + 5mp would be a dream...
Any other hints mizz? (where ever you are...)
Posted by Legen
Motorola just showed they're take on android. MOTOBLUR. Thats what they calling the interface.
Posted by razec
On 2009-09-11 07:25:43, Legen wrote:
Motorola just showed they're take on android. MOTOBLUR. Thats what they calling the interface.
and i like the their new UI very much
Posted by XPHCTOC
"first phone with social skills" I thought it was the Palm Pré
Posted by domipost
I thought it was HTC Hero
Anyway, MOTOBLUR seems nice to mee, but I like HTC Sense better, I think.
@Sutitan
Afaik that one was just a guess and might not be real at all....
Posted by Mizzle
I thought it was the first product being capable of making phone calls - after all, that's being social, isn't it?
Posted by dancingfate
On 2009-09-04 07:57:54, HxH wrote:
totally weird but lovely IMO and I can't say much with a thing at this time.
@Rifqi
do not compared to laughable nokia's thing (I meaned to N-Gage) much better lovely and stylish.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2009-09-04 06:59 ]
Any updates for
square phone? How about its looks if compared to just announced Nokia 7705 Twist?
Posted by Legen
Android seems to be gaining ground. Wat do u think? Last i heard even an Opera Mobile ws being made 4 it(unlike s60v5). Its becoming ratha alluring
Posted by XPHCTOC
On 2009-09-11 14:33:19, Mizzle wrote:
I thought it was the first product being capable of making phone calls - after all, that's being social, isn't it?
Posted by HxH
next year products mate still lacks of info at this time but
square looking better and cool for sure, as Badassmam said if you like it cool if not it like a nightmare. 
Posted by razec
On 2009-09-11 16:55:42, Legen wrote:
Android seems to be gaining ground. Wat do u think? Last i heard even an Opera Mobile ws being made 4 it(unlike s60v5). Its becoming ratha alluring
By the time being, there were more smartphones based on android to hit the market than S60 5th, which suggest that Symbian will continuously loose its ground on smartphone market and might end up in dying before they release their new SF OS. and when their new OS comes, android has conquered the mobile OS market.
Posted by Legen
So you're saying Rachael and not Satio? If you'd have to pick one i mean
Posted by synn
So what if Opera is made for Android? Skyfire is available for both WinMo and S60 and it's hands down the best mobile browser I've ever seen.
The Webkit based browser that the Satio has seems to be quite good on its own too.
Posted by doministry
On 2009-09-12 15:10:02, synn wrote:
So what if Opera is made for Android? Skyfire is available for both WinMo and S60 and it's hands down the best mobile browser I've ever seen.
The Webkit based browser that the Satio has seems to be quite good on its own too.
Lol I find Skyfire crap compared to Opera products,
including rendering.
Posted by Hardened
On 2009-09-12 18:46:25, doministry wrote:
On 2009-09-12 15:10:02, synn wrote:
So what if Opera is made for Android? Skyfire is available for both WinMo and S60 and it's hands down the best mobile browser I've ever seen.
The Webkit based browser that the Satio has seems to be quite good on its own too.
Lol I find Skyfire crap compared to Opera products,
including rendering.
Webkit in S60 has been improved: E55, E52, E72, and N86 all feature the update and its MUCH faster and better at rendering sites including those with Flash Lite 3.0/3.1 in use.
Posted by Hardened
On 2009-09-12 06:02:39, razec wrote:
On 2009-09-11 16:55:42, Legen wrote:
Android seems to be gaining ground. Wat do u think? Last i heard even an Opera Mobile ws being made 4 it(unlike s60v5). Its becoming ratha alluring
By the time being, there were more smartphones based on android to hit the market than S60 5th, which suggest that Symbian will continuously loose its ground on smartphone market and might end up in dying before they release their new SF OS. and when their new OS comes, android has conquered the mobile OS market.
The flaw in this calculation is that there are a LOT more S60 3.1/3.2 devices on the market than simply 5 on 5th Edition
5h Edition:
- N97
- N97 Mini
- 5800
- 5820 or something like that
- X6
S60 3.1/3.2 Edition:
- E52
- E55
- E72
- E71
- E66
- N86
The latter 3 are STILL very popular and still shipping and still offered by many carriers worldwide. Do NOT count those out as the majority of sales & on contract shipments for marketshare. At this point MarketShare is a falsehood of success; only shows what developers SHOULD be making apps for. With 30Million+ iPhones sold you KNOW where developers are shipping their wares too - especially since NO pirating exists they get FULL pay for their work distributed.
Posted by Legen
So...Satio then?
Posted by domipost
On 2009-09-12 19:10:02, Prom1 wrote:
With 30Million+ iPhones sold you KNOW where developers are shipping their wares too - especially since NO pirating exists they get FULL pay for their work distributed.
There is enough piracy for the iPhone and the reason many developers are shipping their wares to the iPhone is that iPhone users download much more software and not that there are more iPhones, because that's bs.
Anyway, it seems obvious to me that Symbian is losing market share to Android.
Posted by Legen
LG just anounced their android phone. Rachael where you at?
Posted by razec
Seems like this LG android is nothing special
specs wise it looks similar to Dext and Galaxy and Rachael remains to be the only 8mp android phone seen. just take a look at the official shots, the UI is the horrible default android design. I hope they could make it at least better than the default one. I7500 Galaxy sucked because of Samsung's stupid move not to implement a customized UI in it.
Posted by Legen
Its android. You'll be able to add(port) any skin, HTC Sense or MOTOBLUR. Xda developers and other guys wil sort that out.
And as pipo keep saying, its jus an approach. Release a mid-end without customisation then the gud stuff. Both samsung and htc did it
Posted by Legen
Its android. You'll be able to add(port) any skin, HTC Sense or MOTOBLUR. Xda developers and other guys wil sort that out.
And as pipo keep saying, its jus an approach. Release a mid-end without customisation then the gud stuff. Both samsung and htc did it
Posted by mediar
I don't think the default Android skin is horrible. It's good. Not as good as HTC Sense or MOTOBLUR, but it's quite good.
Posted by domipost
On 2009-09-14 16:10:09, Legen wrote:
Its android. You'll be able to add(port) any skin, HTC Sense or MOTOBLUR. Xda developers and other guys wil sort that out.
And as pipo keep saying, its jus an approach. Release a mid-end without customisation then the gud stuff. Both samsung and htc did it
And it's what
should have done too, imo
Posted by my ninja
so HTC's cat is out of the bag! hopefully SE will have a smaller device than LEO nice HUGE ... who wants that!?
Posted by badassmam
HTC's new Android ain't bad either, bear in mind that these two will be out soon. The 4.3 inch monster is out very soon and has raised the bar a lot, hardware and UI. This HTC will still be top in 12 months time.
are working on customising Android which is why its taking time. Good stuff coming to MWC if you can wait that is. Good news, more touchscreen devices coming in early 2010.
Posted by jjjajjj
On 2009-09-15 02:15:19, badassmam wrote:
HTC's new Android ain't bad either, bear in mind that these two will be out soon. The 4.3 inch monster is out very soon and has raised the bar a lot, hardware and UI. This HTC will still be top in 12 months time.
are working on customising Android which is why its taking time. Good stuff coming to MWC if you can wait that is. Good news, more touchscreen devices coming in early 2010.
No one wants to carry a table in his pocket
Posted by goldenface
^I was just thinking that. We'll soon be having to carry our phones in a backpack.
I think around 3.0" should be enough.
Posted by WhiteEye
http://www.sonyericsson.com/putyourearsincontrol/ (via xell's tweet)
Posted by razec
@Badassmam:
It may have the best hardware hands down but the phone looks ugly imo. and its too wide to be liked. 4" on a phone is too much already. HTC are poor designers of their phones. but they did good with the first TYTN, Diamond2 and TP2.