SE-09-Portfolio

On 2009-07-08 16:29:45, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Just compiling everything together into one post here:

On 2009-07-09 06:33:10, Prom1 wrote:

Hehe yes its SE shaping up finally.

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Posted by n3o
do we have any specification of KIKI....could it have WLAN....since it is EXPERIA class....as we could see from the"official" photos...

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Posted by moogoo
i was looking forward to satio, but rachael has caught my eye! android is definitely promising and the new UI looks good. Though I don't quite get the whole stack of cards deal. An actual video of it running on the phone with commentary will be very helpful. hopefully that's not too far away.

if rachael takes a bit of time to come out, it's fine with me. don't have the funds to import a phone right now and i don't need the temptation to break the bank either! hehe.

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Posted by yea g
I don't really see the hype around that see through screen phone. If you want to see how its done, open an old calculator, and take off the sticker on the back of the screen (its usually white, and the sticky side is silver) and you have a see through screen!

Also theres a 99.9% chance that the screen is Black and white. The colour LCDs are too dense to let as much light pass through them as the black and white ones. Also there is a 99% chance its an LCD, not an LED or Xenon (wtf?) or Fluorescent or anything else you dream up

Me fail england? Thats unpossible

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Posted by gola
Ah, why not... http://www.tomshardware.com/n[....]arent-screen-display,6850.html

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Posted by yea g
oh ok, never heard about that one.

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Posted by c96sthl
sorry mate...the world progress with our without our knowledge....

else we will still using brick like phone instead of razor thin model like we got now

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Posted by NightBlade
Anyway, can we please stop quoting whole posts with rather large pictures? Thanks.

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Posted by HxH



totally agreed

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Posted by rizzamarv
Ahhhhh.... I am currently in China and they have totally blocked Youtube ... so I cannot watch the video. This REALLY sucks Oh well if anybody has an alternative where I can watch of download do let me know!

Cheers

EDIT:
Hahahaha, just found it on the chinese version of youtube, youku! Nice....

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Posted by Muhammad-Oli


Yep, think I said that few pages ago but it still happened...

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Posted by yea g


Just use a proxy server. Theres a list at proxy.org

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Posted by goldenface
Rachel's UI looks beautiful and like someone said previously, it reminds us of the old UIQ videos. I doubt any Symbian interface can be as good as that and SE should drop it after Satio, take up Android and run with it.

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Posted by 10123


I don't think it looks that good tbh, the animations look slick but the icons look outdated.

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Posted by weirdwilli
I'm with 10123, it took them this long to come up with that?
It's not bad, but it could have been a whole lot better
More to do with personal preference probably though

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Posted by driftmania


Agreed as well, the interface just didn't have the "wow" factor that the Sense UI by HTC gave me.

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Posted by sale987
Butttttt again no xeeeenooooonnnnnnnn, whyyyyy SEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHYYYYYYYYYYYY

EDIT: I was not able to refuse this word

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Posted by bambarah
Do you think that it doesn't have a front video camera is not a big deal

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Posted by bider


Actually I've been using X1 since december 2008 (previously P990, P1i - I also have my 2nd phone, C702 - all three with front cameras). The 3G or HSDPA coverage in Warsaw is almost perfect but since december I've used video call literally 4 times. In the past I've played with it a bit as it was novelty. At this point I think it's not so popular, and actually not really needed in everyday life.

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Posted by domipost
So, since Kiki is a XPERIA phone I expect it's a smartphone. Anyone knows which OS it runs?

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Posted by c96sthl


in fact i used to thought it is bad idea to drop front camera....but it seem it is a right move....most consumer prefer to use 3G or HSPA for data more than Video call...in fact I have been using my HSDPA phone over one year purely on data and I just don't prefer video call.

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Posted by T-mobile


It depends on people's needs, probably it is not needed in YOUR everday life. Other people don't need GPS, or internet or other phone features that other people can't live without.
I think front video camera should be included on any 3G phone.

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Posted by bider


Yes, you're right. I was speaking about myself But for now I think that the problem lays in the android platform. As far as I know the 3G camera is not included in any of android devices on the market (for the moment).

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Posted by Dups!


Boinng and I were the only two people who shared this opinion before the release of this Ui video.

I still say they should go with Android and turn it into their special Os. It also helps that it is open source.

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Posted by doministry
On my side,
I hope WM will stay as a main business OS.

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Posted by Dups!
@doministry

Somehow I see the battle being between Symbian and Android within SE. To be honest, I don't think they are likely to drop WM.

Should Android be a spectacular success then they are likely to scale down on Symbian and who knows, maybe even dump it and stick with Android and WM which to me would be a wise move.

However, should the opposite happen with regard to Symbian vs Android then it would be interesting to see how they progress from thereon.

Symbian is already under immense pressure and losing a lot of market share to the likes of RIM and Apple. They are yet to unveil the new Os and also contend with Android which will result in further losses.

I see a beautiful picture of anexciting distribution in terms of market share among the available and soon to be available smartphone Oss.

I must say though that chances of Android being a failure are next to nothing. Just give me a P1-like Android phone and I'm over the moon, I'll happily retire my wonderful but slow P1.

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Posted by Legen
the open source-ness of Android seems to be making it popular. do u guys think it'll be as big as pipo are predicting? of are they jus exaggerating?

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Posted by rizzamarv
@EMSO6

Sadly I think the form factor of P1i will not make a comeback. COnsidering the recent leaks I think SE will be going for X1 form QWERTYs and Touch only like Satio or Rachael. X1 is good and confortable to type with but i cannot achieve the same speed as with my former P1i....

Anyway as long as they dont totally drop QWERTYs I am Happy Anybody any ideas when we will be seeing the first phones with the new symbian OS. cannot be that long away if SE were even planning to release it on the Satio....?

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Posted by 1republic
Hi evybody!Whats up?

This message was posted from a WAP device

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Posted by Dups!
@rizzamarv

I'm actually hoping against hope that they do bring it out. I know chances look very slim but you never know.

The thing with X1 or ANY slider is the durability factor. I hate sliders, have never owned and don't intend to own any.

I am just in love with candy bars. The only non candy bars I have ever owned and still own are the Motorola V8 and the P910i.

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Posted by rizzamarv
@EMSO6

Understand your concerns, and have the same. However am surprised on how well the X1 is hloding up for me so far. I belong to those people how drop there phones frequently ( ) and who see them generally as a functional device and not something that must stay beautiful and scratchless until the end of time. Except that the metallic back cover is losing some paint my X1 is as good as new!

But agree that a Candybar does add some durability feel to a handset, but considering the current development towards less and less hardware buttons I have the feeling that candybars with QWERTYs will not be availbale all that long. Anyway you never know, but just for the formfactor I would never switch to Blackberry for example... Maybe you should give the slide out QWERTY a chance with Vulcan. WM is also a charm compared to UIQ, just gives you so much more opportunities...

By the Way anybody anything on Vulcan?

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Posted by theos
I am waiting for vertical QWERTY set also. P1 or P5 like, hopefully with Android. I spent a last week with Toch Diamond in my hands and I had a terrible time ! WM 6.1 is just awful, UIQ was much more elegant. I guess that WM 6.5 isn't too different. Maybe 7 will be the lucky one...

This message was posted from a WAP device

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Posted by my ninja
i hope that vulcan and rachael are close to the x1's in size, but i also hope theres enough room for a 15oo mAh battery plus the usual 64gb/1gb/Glass specs, i hope SE doesnt cannibalize the xperia line too badly i would hate to have to choose b.w the two cuz of feature cropping. i just hope rachael is as baddass as needs to be, they need to make a splash with the hardware for ppl to consider moving to android. man lets get more RAM/ROM

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Posted by 10123
I think they should drop Symbian, mostly because they haven't really done anything exceptionall with the satio, the only new part in the interface is the homescreen which isnt anything special. The media is the same as the x1 and the camera interface is the same as the g900/x1. They should stick with android for now only, and wait and see what happens with there profit, if it goes up (which i can't see) then start investing in WM and Symbian, SE is loosing too much atm to be putting so much resarch and R&D into 4 platfroms. Stick with android and work on A200 because atm A200 looks pretty dire.

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Posted by 10123
Intresting ...... http://www.yourmobilephonerev[....]uk/sony-ericsson-xperia-x2.htm

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Posted by domipost
Just some stupid site that thinks to get a higher Google ranking by making a page for it as early as possible i think. Nothing interesting.

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Posted by 10123


I know its nott really intresting , it just shows just how fast news travels

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Posted by Supa_Fly


Not so open-source ... collaboration is still stiffled versus the rapid change and evolving Symbian. Remember all the other OS's are starting from scratch - RIM has been doing C++ for 3yrs then from the 7280 onward used Java as a standard and IS their OS - don't fool yourself it is not. Sure they customize components from Java EE and J2ME into their customized CLDC1.1 but its still Java ... you use RIMlets instead of midlets. Android uses their own version of a highly NON-standard Java (RIM by comparison uses standard java).

I see now the MAIN reason for SE to wait until Android 2.0 to be released is not because of multimedia - since HTC's Android 1.5 has got great media capabilities - BUT has TOO MUCH an investment in Java ... there ARE NEVER going to let that go because it can be leveraged amongst TOO MANY other platforms and OS and they use JAVA standards. Don't be surprised if Racheal supports your entire Java/J2ME library while HTC, Lenovo and other Android devices do not.

Android is doing well - but with too much fragmentation amongst different Linux platforms it COULD suffer the same fate as UIQ+S60 recently: LiMo foundation has many of the same members as Android does: Motorola is a prime example - and will square off with Motorola's resurrection first before going with the bigger players.

Also note that the PS3 is a licensed Linux 2.6 kernel (not modified like Android) and is done for Sony by a 3rd party the same third party that breathes life in older G3/G4/G5 Apple cpu products.

Until Android - natively supports Exchange Server 2003SP2 /2007 and soon 2010 versions and Lotus Domino versions then it cannot compete for corporate vaibility like RIM's infrastructure (device & server products), secondly Windows Mobile licensed OS in products and Microsofts standard products, and third Symbian (S60 via strong agreements with Microsoft+Nokia & Nokia+IBM for Domino/Traveler).

HTC & SE will give Android a more appealing face & wardrobe to the public consumer - but this also what SE will do with Symbian which they too have a MUCH stronger investment and knowledgeable staff and consumer base with.

SE will have a 4 piller strategy initially:
A2/A3 platform
Android
Symbian
WinMobile

I can possibly see 3 piller being
Low-mid range Android (eventually trickling down to replace A3; maybe A3/A4 will becoming for emerging markets only)
Mid-tier into the low-high range Symbian OS (around 2010 when Symbian Foundation OS or Symbian^3/^4 is hardened)
WinMobile for top-tier corporate phones. SE WinMobile devices must be at this range to sell well to be profitable above expenses to code/produce devices and compete with HTC, Acer, and others.If not SE will drop it and Android & Symbian will be mixed in the top-tier devices.

Symbian is VERY VERY powerful - every bit as powerful for portable devices as Android is becoming or being highlighted with much hoohaa by the press but remember their just One Offs on netbooks - nothing shipping yet (promises by 1 company is still not significant unless sales in 10's of millions occurs in this fickle space).

Recall Symbian is the ONLY mobile OS - possibly Mobile OS X by Apple too - capable of SMP (WinMobile, Linux OS like RedHat/FedoraCore/Ubuntu, Mac OS X on laptops/desktops are excluded).

Regardless of loosing marketshare - which is over emphasized especially when the marketshare as a WHOLE is growing exponentially - Symbian is not down & out.

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Posted by Legen


in conclusion?

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Posted by rizzamarv

Kiki has a fastport... on an Xperia? isnt that a little strange and kinda a step back in the wrong direction?

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Posted by mediar
I don't think so. I'm happy that Kiki will have fastport - that's the right direction. The fast port should stay alive, despite the micro USB tryes to kill it.

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Posted by driftmania


And how the hell is having it's own proprietary port going in the right direction? SE needs to make all their upcoming use microSD and micro usb. Besides, Fast Port is bulky.

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Posted by TJMonkey15


+1

3.5mm headphone jack and microUSB should be standard on all of their high end phones (and maybe lower end too). IMO, fastport is the devil.

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Posted by 10123
By law they have to put a micro usb in so i don't know what se are playing at

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Posted by domipost
No, that's not yet. Only from 2010 or something. Have you seen any SE device with micro usb? Or any LG device? Or any HTC device? Only Nokia and Samsung use MicroUSB yet and even that is in some of their devices, not all.

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Posted by mariozlp

X1 for sure.

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Posted by domipost
X1 is mini usb, not micro

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Posted by bodeh6
Fastport has worn out its welcome. Been here for ~5 years. SE already signed up to do the microUSB and microSD as mobile phone standards. I can't wait for them to become reality. Aino, Yari, and Satio are half way there with the microSD, now just get the microUSB connectivity.

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Posted by badassmam
In response to a PM that I got, a lot of stuff is going around about Rachael's processor and 4 inch screen etc. but I wouldn't trust most of it. It does look like an Android device but are making their own UI that is different to what Satio has i.e. SF. Satio has Symbian with its own 'skin' on top, the new UI should be different to the generic Symbian that Satio and 5800XM have. I don't know if they are doing the next step to A2 but thats a different story. This 'Rachael' that we have seen leaked may not be Android so keep your minds open.

And yes, the Nokia 12MP camera is better than a lot of digital cameras.