Posted by razec
Yes it worked now!
thanks!
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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
No problem. I'm glad you were able to see it!
Posted by thklinge
This demo of Pre looks great, I love how they've integrated contacts, calendar and messaging.
http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/index.html#video
The HD-clip you posted on the Idou can also be seen here:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/idou/
Too bad the screen is resistive.
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Posted by NightBlade
What's so bad about it?
You can use with other thing than just your bare hands.
Posted by anonymuser
I used resistive screens on four different mobiles over the last six years or so, and just now have an iPhone with a capacative screen. Without doubt the capacative screen is better in every way bar one - the need to use your fingers, rather than a stylus or gloves etc.
Resistive screens, by their very design, have multiple layers of plastic and glass on top of the actual screen, all of which cuts down the light that passes either way, meaning less vibrant screens that are far harder to see in daylight than they ought to be. Since they have to have a flexible top surface (again, by design) they're also far more vulnerable to scratches and other damage - the sensible answer to which is a screen a protector, which adds yet another layer of plastic and further obscures the view.
The hard glass capacative screen is a godsend, in contrast. Even forgetting the joys of multitouch (which is difficult if not impossible to implement on a resistive screen), the fact that there's nothing between you and the screen but optical glass means far better visibility in all conditions. It also means there's zero need for a screen protector, since the chances of being unlucky enough to scratch it are vastly reduced (obviously glass isn't completely unbreakable/unscratchable, but its a lot more resilient than soft plastic). On top of that it's instantly responsive, with no need to "press" the screen and much easier flicking and movement across the surface as a result.
In short: capacative FTW.
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Posted by SloopJohnB
That Pre video is great
Posted by NightBlade
Yes, I do realise that usually capacitive IS superior, but in the case of Idou, I don't think it matters that much. The phone registers and responds to finger strokes pretty darn fast (iPhone fast) and, from what I've seen, has great screen visibility.
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Posted by norbi_nw
Now i wonder... Does it move fast because the phone is "empty" ? i mean no menu, no nothing, but the media player, phonebook and a few sample images.. I think the camera isn't usable yet.
But that doesn't matter.. now i'm interested in the CPU, RAM, and the GPU.
Posted by NightBlade
On 2009-02-18 20:27:17, norbi_nw wrote:
Now i wonder... Does it move fast because the phone is "empty" ? i mean no menu, no nothing, but the media player, phonebook and a few sample images.. I think the camera isn't usable yet.
But that doesn't matter.. now i'm interested in the CPU, RAM, and the GPU.
Doubtfully. The UI isn't finished, yes, and the fact that the phone currently needs to load smaller amounts of data in the memory may also be a factor, but as Idou gets closer to its release, the software will undoubtedly get optimised even futher. I think we have nothing to worry about.
Besides, it packs a really powerful CPU.
Posted by norbi_nw
well if the w995 packs the most powerful CPU known to SE, I hope this one will use the same (or better). The old 200mhz just wouldn't do anymore... it was already pushed to the limit, and thats why K850i had issues (and C905 restarts sometimes..). OFC it consumed less batery, but it was simply outdated. So hope for the new architecture... may even dream about the Xperia processor in it
Posted by NightBlade
The CPU is better than X1's, AFAIK.
Posted by anonymuser
The X1's is a lousy Qualcomm MSM7200 chip (as used in everything else HTC make, including the G1). It's not exactly the best loved processor amongst users, since it's no great shakes in the multimedia department (and was at the root of the whole missing driver furore with the Tytn II last year).
Posted by Domecot
here is a proposal:
Since this is the Idou discusion thread why don't the author or masseu don't change the name??? It would be WAY better.
Posted by mario2004
Can anyone confirm the OS this cell will use? I know, most of you in here don't like s60/symbian, but from what I gather, exactly this will be the OS. There is a bit of a conflicting issue around the Idou. If is going to be released as announced then it will have to use the s60 touch (v5) because there is simply nothing als out there! On the other hand, if this is a concept phone and only comes out after june 2010, obviously more advanced versions of symbian will be available. All the Symbian workers are as of begin of this month, Nokia employees and I know they are working on the s60 os. Of course, the iPHONE has a 'faster' reaction time, but the os used is so much smaller! The iPHONE is nowhere near in the same league feature wise!
Posted by goldenface
I thought this was S60 v5 but with SE's shell on it?
Posted by mario2004
On 2009-02-19 21:04:59, goldenface wrote:
I thought this was S60 v5 but with SE's shell on it?
You are quite right. The actuall 'flavour' has a longer name, but we use the short version notation 's60v5'
The s60 OS is customable to the extreme. To talk about a 'shell' on it is not quite right. Unlike WM (where the word 'shell' has a more correct meaning), the s60 can be 'twisted' to anything even by a half programmer. If you think windows is 'hacked' to dead, then think again. The s60 is hacked to dead and back and that a few times over. If Samsung or Lg or Se (not to mention the 'other' company), come out with a nice feature and the public like it, within days/weeks, you can install it on your device as long as is s60 compatible The manufacturer and the software functions a s60 cell comes out with, mean little. Just as with a laptop, if you buy it is very dumb, only after you get home and spend some time on it, it becomes usefull
Here is a intro to the different s60 versions. The samsung hd (and my guess is idou) must come next to the n97. http://twilightwap.com/forums[....]8452&forum=s60&id=992097&tt=39
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Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2009-02-16 17:15:47, se_dude wrote:
N97 revealed in November and ships in june.Probably july. Sooo... Please dont bring SE down here .Look around you and...
Sorry dude but that is 1 phone from Nokia as an exception to the example that they've shipped phones in less than 30days after announcement of when & where they would first ship.
SE needed to be chastisized because all the phones shipped last year - Save :walkman: flip phone & K850i - were all just a slight upgrade from an existing previous phone or just rebranding package. And these phones had the same features just 1 missing or thinner; thats it. Lastly, there was no difference between shipment regions either.
This time around I'm really liking
's strategy - yes Idou because its the complete opposite of what Motorola is doing. Concentrating on the most powerful platforms with clear market segments.
1. Low & mid-tier regular consumer worldwide: J2ME+Flash = Capuchin
2. High Tier Business: Xperia Windows Mobile.
Looks like Xperia will remain WM only.
3. High Tier Consumer lineup: Capuchin (:Walkman: & :Cybershot:) & Entertainment lineup = Symbian-Foundation OS.
4. Android for Mid-tier Consumer.
Looks well strategized, profitable and residual should one lineup fail - I'm guessing WM6.5 (looks like junk unless a HUGE change in RIM's sales for business occurs) or Symbian-Foundation (highly doubt but everybody likes the googoo gaaagaaa glitter of Palms' WebOS or iPhone) then Android or Symbian or WM can take over.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2009-02-17 13:28:49, se_dude wrote:
**Umm..well yea. We all know that the SF OS is backward compatible with other S60 apps. But your stupid inference that Nokia has patented many S60 formats or blah is pure shit. Legally, you cannot patent anything in an open source platform. If you do so, it defies the basic presence of S60.
OMG! S60 is NOT an open source platform! its LICENSED to Lenovo, Samsung, LG, etc! Please READ and research your information BEFORE arguing with somone that knows MORE about a particular subject you're arguing about.
btw, you'd just proved exactly what Mario stated just before this post I've quoted '... I see now, some of the members in this forum have a 'different' mentality then the Symbian forum members I usually interact with".
On 2009-02-17 13:58, Boinng wrote:
S60 hasn't won. S60 the interface that competed with UIQ is clearly on its way out, retired, since the early emphasis on S40-like menu operation has now come home to roost and left it feeling dated and irrelevant in the new, post-iPhone era.
@Boinng, you're wrong that S60 didn't win. It is THE most used, most coded for, most developed upon Symbian, and THE most ADVANCED GUI iteration of ANY Symbian based OS GUI (compared against UIQ, MOAP used by NTTDoCoMo).
The majority of the Symbian-Foundation OS is BASED mostly on S60 because it is THE code that most programmers follow and code for. Sure MOAP & UIQ is there but only specific parts of the GUI code - yes they act like specific OS' each of onto their own.
S40 is STILL crap in its 6th edition - it STILL cannot run more than on MIDP app at a time and doesn't have a quick system to J2ME Runtime switcher like SE has in their A1/A2/Capuchin platform phones. S40 has recently in the past 6mths gotten ability - released products development is always longer than released - with WLAN via OSS WebKit and Widget ability with UMA support even longer. Please experience fully an operating system or read up on it beyond a few people complaining about it before making such brash and unfounded statements of it.
S60 has the following abilities:
- WRT Runtime [HTML+CSS based Widgets with C++ support]
- WLAN supporting: WebKit, VoIP [PBX and SIP]
- Ability to enforce/restrict/allow any connection to all or selectable (latter 3rd party app which is FREE): GPRS/EDGE, 3G/3.5G, or WLAN.
- Ability via 3rd party application for HTML+CSS+Javascript website creation DIRECTLY on the device. (in tandem with this ...)
- Ability to run a FREE application - by Nokia: yet codebase is shared via Open-Source - to run a web server directly from your phone!! And anyone with a PC webbrowser or another phone with WebKit can - if you didn't set security - can send you 160-character text, file sharing, file browsing of YOUR phones memory/MicroSD card, TAKE pictures from your phones' camera ... you get the idea.
Support for the following code languages and runtimes:
C++/OpenC/CarbideC++
PyS60 - Python (FREE apps that have access to the core S60 implemented Symbian API's!
Ruby - Same as Python in its abilities and FREE
Widgets
NO UIQ phone EVER built or developed has EVER had this much ability - from what I've gathered anywhere on the web or have seen with applications. WM has a LOT of abilities but I'm unsure if it supports Ruby or Python. Now do you think S60 is as limited at you stated ??!!!! IT hasn't survived for 10+ years because it was "Eye-Candy Fashionable".
Symbian-Foundation has been setup BY Nokia and legally purchased from ALL Symbian-OS licencees of S60, MOAP, and UIQ. And the BEST features of all will be incorporated into the shared developed, freely accessible: yet still partially licensed, to all companies willing to use it. The Symbian-Foundation OS will not be ready until late 2009, and be on products shipping then or for sure by early 2010.
The last time I saw SE do some REAL innovation (revolutionary) on Symbian-OS based product was with the R386, P800, and P910 - P900 & P1 where evolutionary (P1 done well though).
Too many ppl on these boards have hated S60 & Nokia for ALL the wrong reasons - hating an OS and a company that contributes to 3rd world society's, has the best GREEN strategy in the mobile phone industry, and does a fantastic job in a fair and open marketplace. Crikey; hating an OS and a company - what a world we live in. I'd probably like that mentally better if you hated me - at least I'm a person and can do things to you directly or inhumanly (you have to be human to be inhuman). I said probably!
Now that SE is going full out with hardware beyond what is offered and not stating its S60 All the haters are loving it - not realizing the benefits that come with it MOSTLY are coming because of the drive and innovations that S60 pressured or entised Symbian OS to develop into the core system to be available on S60 that the other GUI's had an immensely hard time doing to bring to market. Not choosing an OS is anyone's preferance (not a bad word everybody), being ignorant to an OS' abilities only limits you're choices due to lack of information. As they say ignorance is bliss.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2009-02-17 17:01:48, Boinng wrote:
To be honest the Symbian situation depresses me massively. Ten years ago, I was using EPOC devices and would defend that OS to the death. Psion had a really fantastic product on their hands. Had Psion had the capital to develop it and enter the phone market themselves, I think we could all be in a very different place right now.
Instead the baton got passed to the likes of Ericsson and Nokia, and both stuffed up royally as far as I can see. Ericsson/SE/UIQ had the right ideas (the P800 really showed everyone the way), but went on to completely mismanage everything into the ground. Nokia, as far as I can see, have never actually understood the concept of a smartphone, and simply used Symbian to do all the OS donkey work in the background on more complicated devices while still sticking with essentially the same tired old Nokia UI from the 90's - a pointless waste.
In terms of realising the potential of an OS like Symbian to deliver a really advanced user-friendly smartphone for the masses, really nobody's achieved it yet, and instead it's Apple (whose own Steve Jobs was once said to be a fan of the P800) that finally brought the smartphone concept into the mainstream. For all the bluster of the Symbian Foundation (and their little fans like Mario) it's now Nokia and Symbian that are desperately trying to catch up and avoid getting completely sidelined in an iPhone/Android/WinMo pincer movement that renders them completely redundant.
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Funny thing about this is the iPhone cannot operate LIKE a true smartphone; not able to run 2 applications simultaneously - the phone or SMS/MMS reception is NOT part of a smartphone its part of the phone. Jobs specifically said its a 'Smarter Phone' while also stating its a smartphone. Their ballyhood attempt at criticising application switching showing off server side push message queues to apps - never panned out 1year after showing us - and 8mths now after its supposed to be delivered even to developers! HA!
You obviously haven't tried any of the new products based on S60 this past year have you? E71 is definately fast and is very up to date with the seperate PIM applications. By GUI being outdated 'something analysts always complain about S60', I'm guessing you're refering to Folders in teh main menu?? If so, and again I'm assuming (wrong to do but guessing), then if having individual icons is so superior - why do you think the new BB OS has the ability for users to create folders since OS 4.2?? Maybe endless scrolling to get to the app you want (maybe not frequently used) is too tiresome and annoying. Not all apps can have a shortcut letter and use the same letter for efficiency because repeated pressing eliminates efficiency, and also iPhone - watch those users swipe 5 screens to get to what they want. Hacking reveals the STACKS capability direct from OS X on the Mac which is very nice.
Posted by se_dude
I dint mean S60 as such. I meant the SFOS, which is an open source, free profit foundation.
Posted by mario2004
@Prom1 Well said bud. You are a 'factual' chap, aren't you
Now, do you have any info as to when the IDOU will be released? The time of its release will almost certainly determine, which Symbian version will have.
Posted by Raiderski
1. Low & mid-tier regular consumer worldwide: J2ME+Flash = Capuchin
A1/A2/Capuchin platform phones
A1/A2/Capuchin platform phones
you have HUGE misunderstanding about Capuchin here. Capuchin is not that big and important as you think. I though this was explained many times? A1 and A2 is nothing else than phone platform (hardware and software). phone platform have nothing to do with Java platform. Capuchin is working only in Java platform layer, except of fact that he uses Flash Lite implemented in the phone software platform. remove Java platform (with Capuchin) from the phone software and it will be still work fine, you only won't be able to run Java applications (entertainment/games and organizer/applications)
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Posted by gtr83
Let's just see what Capuchin's going to evolve into (or not)
Posted by mario2004
@Raidersky Hmmm . . . Never knew you get Capuchin without java! Do you have any example of a cell running on Capuchin without java? On the other hand I agree with you - Capuchin is not that important. Mind you, SE products as a whole, can not be compared in importance with the 'big guns' and standards out there
Yesterday I just got some financial news regarding SE and the first half of this quarter doesn't look much better then the last quarter. Se and Motorola have to do something and do it fast, if they still want to have a say in the cell marked. By the end of this quarter, I expect LG to be in 3th place overall. If they don't improve in the second quarter, SE might even end up behind Alcatel in total sales. Is mind bending how quickly a company can get from zero to hero and back to 'almost zero', these days.
Posted by Raiderski
Never knew you get Capuchin without java! Do you have any example of a cell running on Capuchin without java?
did I wrote that Capuchin can work without Java? did I? cell running on Capuchin? yes I saw, big green jelly bean monster had it in the pocket
Posted by Yakkaimono
Found something interesting on wikipedia.
Idou is listed under the devices which have the OMAP3430.
I think someone just speculated there, but it could be true.
Idou OMAP3
Posted by gtr83
http://mobilementalism.com/20[....]hints-at-a-psp-phone-for-2009/
I also posted on this on the C905 thread, it's an interesting look on SE's current situation and market positioning in general. Sorry if somebody else posted it before though.
Posted by mario2004
Does anyone know who will be the manufacturer? Htc do not have a s60 licence ! And are fed up with SE. Samsung is a contender but my money is on Lenovo. On the other hand, I will laugh for 3days and 3nights if Nokia will get the contract
It will be interesting to see if the SE fans will like it or not. The specs are tops but . . . Personaly I don't give a sh!t who the manufacturer is, as long as it runs on Symbian/S60.
Posted by gtr83
Then you'll be very disappointed if the new Symbian Foundation OS is something different?
Posted by Raiderski
blog.symbian.com:
... the following newly announced devices are all based on S60 3rd or 5th Editions and Symbian OS - software which forms the code base of the first Symbian Foundation platform release, expected later this year:
The new Sony Ericsson device, code-named Idou, is the world’s first mobile phone with a 12.1MP camera, with Xenon flash, 16:9 aspect ration and 3.5” touch screen.
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The new Sony Ericsson device, code-named Idou, is the world’s first mobile phone with a 12.1MP camera, with Xenon flash, 16:9 aspect ration and 3.5” touch screen.
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Posted by mario2004
@Radenski Tx for the info bud
The thing is, people at large (the public), expect the symbian foundation to come up with a perfectly stable OS in like 6months! On the other hand, the 'hardcore' symbian s60 fans know better though. The Symbian workers only became Nokia workers as of the end of last month! They will only begin working 'seriously' on the new s60 upgrade next month. And this time around the upgrade will be a pretty big one! It will be very interesting to see if they manage to come up with a 'public safe' version, before the year is over. The sooner the upgrade will be released, the closer it will be to the actuall s60 touch. Actually Nokia talks about (hold your breath) JUNE 2010! I expect preliminary versions to be available long before then though. Will SE take the plunge and use a version which is not 101%? Certainly they do have the reputation of releasing handsets with 'half backed' firmware.
Posted by norbi_nw
about the OMAP3430... found this on the net:
The OMAP3430 can connect to images sensors up to 12 mega pixels in size with minimal shot-to-shot delay, enabling camera phones that are equivalent to or better than most digital still cameras on the market today. Additional features in the OMAP3430 like On-the-fly JPEG compression and connectivity support for both serial and parrallel cameras aid in throughput and storage as well as add design flexibility.
So it may be true. It's 3x faster than AMR11.. if it's by the MHz, then i guess it should be ~ 900MHz.. (remember the 1Ghz processor anounced some time ago?). That's a wow.
Posted by Yakkaimono
The OMAP3430 has a clock rate of 600 mhz and not around 900 mhz. The fastest OMAP3 CPU has a clock rate of 800 mhz.
The one with the 1+ ghz is in the new OMAP4 series which was introduced some days ago.
Anyway I hope they use a CPU of the OMAP3 series and utilize it to it's maximum.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-02-21 03:15:16, Prom1 wrote:
Funny thing about this is the iPhone cannot operate LIKE a true smartphone; not able to run 2 applications simultaneously - the phone or SMS/MMS reception is NOT part of a smartphone its part of the phone. Jobs specifically said its a 'Smarter Phone' while also stating its a smartphone. Their ballyhood attempt at criticising application switching showing off server side push message queues to apps - never panned out 1year after showing us - and 8mths now after its supposed to be delivered even to developers! HA!
Two words - what, and ever. The iPhone delivers exactly the kind of data-driven mobile application platform that drove the development of Symbian as a mobile OS ten years ago, and most importantly it's made it mainstream, and put it in the hands of millions. In two years they've created a eco-system and userbase from scratch that the "Symbian Foundation" can only dream of, despite a ten year head start.
Mock the single-tasking if you like (as utterly inaccurate as such a claim is) - it's hollow laughter.
You obviously haven't tried any of the new products based on S60 this past year have you?
Wrong, and irrelevant.
Posted by se_dude
@mario- Are you completely nuts??? Do you have any idea what Open source means??? Since the Symbian foundation ha already been created, SE and their engineers have full right to work on that and make out an OS sooner. If Nokia doesnt want to work on the SF now, then its totally upto them. SE have their own engineers and I doubt if they give a damn about what Nokia thinks or when they are going to start working. SE donated their UIQ to the system and are working on that and other basics that come up with the other S60 implementations.
Posted by mario2004
Hey bud, sorry to have upset you. No need to call me names. I am aware that we have very different back grounds/educations,nevertheles, lets keep it up
'gentlemen' style. If you don't agree with something you are welcome to comment and give some links to prove your point if necessary/asked for it/relevant. Insulting other members won't help your cause 
Indeed, SE may decide to 'go on their own' as you suggest, but they may end up with a Symbian OS which is not compatible to the 'rest'. I respect your views and I am aware you are very 'experienced' concerning SE. On the other hand you should realise that even a 'completely nuts' chap, after 6+ years of S60 following, will meet people and get relevant opinions regarding system development and the OS's future. And that is what I am sharing here. Once again I apologise if my opinions bring 'undesirable' news for you. Greetings from South Africa.
Posted by se_dude
Nah, your rants pissed me off. What I am trying to say is that SE are at liberty to go their own. And i ams ure every brand would have an exclusivity to the apps running on the phone. At least some apps. If thats not the case, the whole OS war would be a bit boring IMO. Samsung, SE and Nokia should be differentiable by the apps.
Posted by Angello
it's not kokura
Posted by naveedaziz83
^^
hinting from the above message, the new baby has been given an official name?
Posted by se_dude
Angello, are you suggesting that we will have a 12 mp feature phone too??
Posted by Dups!
On 2009-03-06 03:15:30, se_dude wrote:
Angello, are you suggesting that we will have a 12 mp feature phone too??
A Cybershot maybe? Seeing that Idou may not be.
Posted by HxH
AFAIK, Idou not marketing name as they state and it will change when her meet real announcement. hehe can't say too much.
And Yes, Idou still set for Cyber-Shot Phone Portfolio.
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Posted by gtr83
Then Idou will be officially named something like C990? That's a bit...off.
Posted by Dups!
On 2009-03-07 12:00:49, gtr83 wrote:
Then Idou will be officially named something like C990? That's a bit...off.
Yeah, that just doesn't sound quite right. I really have doubts that this Idou is going to be a cybershot.
Posted by goldenface
Its seems the real codename for this phone might be Kokoro - correct me if I am wrong. Idou Thread.
I too hope it will be called something a bit more inspiring than C990.
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Posted by Legen
since Idou is Kokoro wats gonna happen to this thread?
Posted by yea g
The giant padlock of death
Posted by Xajel
But Isn't Idou is meant to be the first phone in a new series ( not C = Cyber shot )
and Kokora is meant to be a high-end Cyber-Shot...
I feel we will have two 12mp phones, one is High-end C ( C905 successor ) and the other which is Idou will be the first in the new high-end series...
unless Kokora is Idou and the high-end 12px C-series phone is still unknown
Posted by NightBlade
Nope. Same phone.
Posted by Legen
so you saying no C905 successor?