Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2009-02-16 01:11:04, echo.shane wrote:
its so funny how you cant satisfy people. you ask for it you got it stop complaining
@prom1 that was meant for you and all the other wanna be se fans
LMAO! Me a wanna be SE fan? Dude I've been on this site and have used quite a few Ericsson then SE phones first hand! Take a look at my profile and my signature and understand the reason I left SE was because I need more powerful calendar management and I prefered the S60 interface vs Windows Mobile. I've left SE - I dont' hold allegiance to a brand just because of the brand but what they consistently deliver. I've come back to SE before 2x now - and can TRUELY say I'm a REAL fan! I don't stay complacent with SE because I want the BEST from them, and if you think the C905 is the best - they wouldn't have made the C903 and definately finally realized that better products & services could be made for consumers such as myself that want Cybershot & Walkman in 1 product package; not either or. I'm not the only one to state so for years either, since the K750/W800i.
Also I want a REAL stereo at home to connect my smartphone/phone to not these dinky SE speakers for portable use - although 2 desktop versions caught my interests.
@echo.shane, you need to fully get your facts together about someone before trying to insult them.
Also you're from Jamaica - which part do you hail from? I have a long history of family there; and depending upon you're age you'll know who they are if you've seen the statue of Montego Bay airport. As I understand, Here in Canada we had GSM longer than Jamaica has - I even recall making long distance calls via Operator first to specify the # to connect the call, or running down to the Operator office in parts outside of Sandy Bay. Even if we're the same age which I doubt, if you've lived in Jamaica only your life I'd have been using cellphones - specifically Ericsson longer than you have IF we went by that estimation.
I don't switch my phones frequently - because I carefully choose the phone I want before making a costly purchase. I choose my phone for daily use not because its in style or because others have it. I choose my phones because I want functionality, quality build or in the OS, and performance. Sure esthetics are part of my decision but to a lesser than 30% degree of my decision process. After 6mths many ppl her get bored of their phones because something better in features or style comes out. Unless its significantly better than what I have (I don't own a cellphone currently), then its not for me.
Lastly, you call yourself an SE fan - but have only been on this site since "Sep 12, 2008" which is the longest and still the most popular = members & site visits (unique) per month, although SEBlog and that other SE fan site gets close. Many SE fans here where not satisfied with SE's feature phones and QUICKLY upgraded to the X1 since it debuted. That should tell you that to be an SE fan shouldn't mean you must be happy & complacent with all their offerings - and keep buying their products just because of the
logo.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Guys, this is not S60. It is not entirely what you S60 users will be used to... This is Symbian Foundation, which "will unify Symbian, S60, UIQ and MOAP(S) software*". So think of this as one of the first Symbian Foundation devices!
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2009-02-16 01:32:51, mario2004 wrote:
Wow - After I 'broke' the news in this tread (a few hours ago),it caught 'fire'.
The nice thing about this cell is its OS. It will use the mighty s60,which I know inside out and 'pushed' since my 7650 Is not only a 'cybershot' and 'walkman' and what have you, but its also a SMARTPHONE ! Let's hope Nokia won't be to strict with their patents, in which case, SE should have it bug free just in time for christmas
Actually, no it won't use S60. It'll use Symbian-Foundations' Open-Source, Unified OS (strengths from UIQ, S60, MOAP, and S60 5th Edition).
SE can keep their Patents as long as they wish. This solidifies their efforts in using an Open-Source OS and allows them to fully market this Idou and differentiate their brand using this OS. But being a smartphone and all seperate platforms of Symbian OS in all forms means:
* Greater support for applications! Hopefully Nokia Beta apps will eventually cross over for us on other manufacturers and not be brand-certificate limited only to Nokia devices.
* PyS60, Ruby, Java, Flash Lite ALL getting universal installation, runtime, and application interface support.
* Quality phones from other manufacturers using the same OS which must be compatible to the original code of the Open-Source; will allow them to make applications & features unique amongst themselves and allow for better competition!
* Better provider support since many major providers want to limit their development costs for branding phones, releasing software linking to their in-house service (hopefully I can download Rogers/Vodafone software for a non-branded phone and use services so long as I've subscribed or using the respective SIM card).
On 2009-02-16 02:12:52, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Guys, this is not S60. It is not entirely what you S60 users will be used to... This is Symbian Foundation, which "will unify Symbian, S60, UIQ and MOAP(S) software*". So think of this as one of the first Symbian Foundation devices!
Shoot Oli, you beat me to it, lol.
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Posted by Supa_Fly
Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?[....]leburn.com/gallery.jsp?Id=6343
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2009-02-16 02:24:05, Prom1 wrote:
Shoot Oli, you beat me to it, lol.
Ah but you went into a lot more detail than I did.
Posted by echo.shane
@prom1 and any other sony ericsson fan who felt insulted by my previous post im sorry i just dont like to see when people complain about something they ask for and finally get it. idou may not pack with every thing but it has all the modern feature. NO HARD FEELINGS
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Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2008-09-30 01:46:09, Mentalist wrote:
I've received a tip claiming that Sony Ericsson are working on a new 12 megapixel camera phone codenamed the Kokura. No idea where the source of these rumours came from (I'm checking with the tipster as I write), and no pictures either, but the tip is surprisingly detailed, even down to the being chipset used ( a TI 3240, apparently!)
Also from the same tip was news of the Sony Ericsson Yurika. Anyone heard anything about these phones? The details are up on my site, MobileMentalism.com
Hmm, TI 3240? Didn't know that chipset existed but if it does then its ARM-9 at its core. The KoKura I think is the Idou that was leaked, or teaser announcement today from SonyEricsson. Yurika I'm not sure what that is.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2009-02-16 02:58:25, echo.shane wrote:
@prom1 and any other sony ericsson fan who felt insulted by my previous post im sorry i just dont like to see when people complain about something they ask for and finally get it. idou may not pack with every thing but it has all the modern feature. NO HARD FEELINGS
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As we spoke on PM no hard feelings. I understand what you mean by the complaining; not too long ago it REALLY got out of hand here on the boards back in September.
So back on topic what should we expect as in terms of photo quality? Will it replace your (anyone) standalone digital camera? Personally I've never owned a camera - standalone only from those used in my phones.
I'll consider purchasing this from SE if I can get beyond the headset jack - after all I'm already used to it from SE and was very annoyed with only a 2.5mm on my Nokia E71. This is why I wanted it. We'll see how it performs but from the video on Youtube and also from Mobile Burn this thing seems FAST!
Posted by mario2004
Hmmm . . . How interesting . . . and all of a sudden we have lots of experts in here regarding the s60 and the Symbian Foundation
There are quite a few dedicated forums where programmers have debated this at lengt long before the SE fans come 'onboard'. I don't feel like arguing, is to early days and it looks like the truth might put of some users of my beloved OS For the more 'setback' user. If you know a bit about the s60 OS/C++ and the word 'leaves' means more then the green stuff growing in the trees, you are in for something among the SE fans peace . . .
Posted by mediar
Will there be a VGA video recording?
Posted by mario2004
Of course and not only that. The latest S60 (Symbian Foundation if you don't like to use the s60 name), has specs for HD too
How about 1280x720 16:9 ratio at 30fps. Not full HD but close enough
Posted by sale987
WIll, now you need to rebuild caption. Put IDOU instead Kokura
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Posted by anonymuser
Hmm. So at the last MWC, SE announced the Xperia X1, a fully rounded and branded WM handset destined for the second half of the year. It eventually turned up in December, with supply still short in many areas, and with interest in the handset largely squandered.
At this MWC, SE announced a "concept" model, with an unofficial name and specs subject to change, and again we're supposed to believe this will turn up in the second half of this year, despite being notably less developed and far more innovative in design than the X1. Does anyone actually believe we'll see this phone in 2009?
Assuming we don't (which is a very fair assumption IMHO) how long can SE survive without anything decent in the high-end market? And how outdated will the "Idou" seem when it eventually limps out?
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Posted by Dups!
The have finally woken up from the long deep slumber! Well done SE! NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT ON THIS ONE! Well, almost nothing except what Boinng raised about it being a concept at this stage and whether it will hit the streets the earliest in Q2 or will it be another X1 mess?
Other than that great to see the old SE back in the finest form!
Posted by norbi_nw
If it will be released in december, it will be too late.. why? because samsung is coming hard, and nokia too. So they have to move fast, and play it right. Let's not get very excited, since it may be cancelled :/ or not meet up to our standards. I hope this will be a hit for SE, just like the K750i was, and the K800 too.. And it will be a WoW! just like the first UIQ phone in its time. this IF it will be released in Q2..
Posted by marty mcfly
On 2009-02-16 13:55:34, EMS06 wrote:
The have finally woken up from the long deep slumber! Well done SE! NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT ON THIS ONE! Well, almost nothing except what Boinng raised about it being a concept at this stage and whether it will hit the streets the earliest in Q2 or will it be another X1 mess?
Other than that great to see the old SE back in the finest form!
The X1 was released on time. And if it released in 6 months you can bet it probably still records video at QVGA
Posted by se_dude
N97 revealed in November and ships in june.Probably july. Sooo... Please dont bring SE down here .Look around you and...
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-02-16 17:10:32, marty mcfly wrote:
The X1 was released on time.
Just, and only in certain markets... I see trouble ahead with this one.
With the X1 they were using a tried and tested OS, a manufacturer that knocked out new WM models every few days, and they had all the branding and marketing already sorted out for MWC, and they still took it right down to the wire in December to get the phone out, by which time it was already surrounded by near identical (or superior) phones from HTC and elsewhere.
With Idou, they don't even know this phone's name yet (except that its apparently not Xperia). They've basically got a loose collection of specs (that might change), an OS which doesn't exist yet (it will "become" Symbian Foundation - when?), and they're showing off a few attractive, but essentially dummy handsets behind glass. And this they're going to deliver as soon if not sooner than the X1, and before the competition makes it look stupid?
Sorry, but I have a bad feeling about Idou. It's the exact phone that we all wanted to see from SE, but have we really seen it? Really?
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Posted by se_dude
Umm.. check out youtube. The Idou came out of the glass and showed us some transitions that other phones could still dream of.
Posted by marty mcfly
On 2009-02-16 17:33:51, Boinng wrote:
Just, and only in certain markets...
There is no just! It either came out in the period they said it would, or didn't. It was never tied down to a day or a week.
And so what if it doesn't have a name? Not many phones do at the early developmental stage. They're waiting until the final specs are confirmed, so then they can place it within the portfolio.
Remember, the
site says it's going to be released within 6 months.
Posted by Yakkaimono
On 2009-02-16 18:31:09, marty mcfly wrote:
Remember, the
site says it's going to be released within 6 months.
Really?
Could you lead me to that information?
Thanks!
Posted by thklinge
Sony Ericsson reps said "Second half of the year" at the press conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt0vnBcyXto
Posted by norbi_nw
but thats only talk.. it's still a prototype, but it outruns any phone i've ever seen!! the speed of the interface that is.. iPhone is BS comapred to this. I really hope it will be launched soon, because i really want one. It's beautiful and smart, fast. it really is SF today, but will be reality soon i hope. Pure Awesomeness
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Posted by marty mcfly
On 2009-02-16 23:34, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Guys, I think the Idou models at the show weren't showing the interface, but were simply showing a video of how they hope to have the interface running. I don't think we can take impressions of speed away from this...
Some were demo videos, but this surely is not, unless he has memorised the timing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20f7b24jdfA&feature=related
EDIT: I see you deleted that post!
@ All
My apologies on the six month claim, I must have read W995 when I was tired last night
The way the press are talking at the conference though I fully expect this device will launch this year.
wouldn't make such a big show of it if they weren't serious about it.
This idea of it being a 'concept' is the confusing one though. The
site says this:
That says to me that the name 'Idou' is the conceptual part right now, because the inner workings of the device are not finalised. I suspect the design will pretty much be exactly as we see it now.
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Posted by NightBlade
You guys had better take a look at this:
http://blog.se-nse.net/decent-video-walkthrough-of-idou/
Posted by marty mcfly
Exactly Night! It's just an early version of the software, just like X1 was when we first saw it. Remember how no-one was allowed to touch it then too?
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
@marty: Yeah I deleted it, sorry mate. I realised I was wrong cause I saw a couple of videos of the real interface in use.
Posted by SIGHUP
Boy-howdy!
This is very exciting stuff. I am however, not too thrilled about the touch only interface. But hey, we will see how it works out if it is released.
Posted by mario2004
People, if you are really going to accept the S60 touch OS, you'll realise, the manufacturer is not that important anymore. This is how it is with us 'New Symbian' followers. Samsung, Lg, Nokia (and now finally SE), WHO cares, as long as it runs the latest s60 touch version. For a 'preview' of how the system is running, play a bit with the 5800. The N97 should be out in a few months with Omnia HD not long after that. The development goes on. The later the device comes out, the more advanced the OS will be. (Note how I am not refering to Nokia, Samsung etc. but use only device names !) I know, most of you chaps are very much brand oriented, but if you trully embrace Symbian touch, you'll quickly end up in a corner if you hammer on the brand too much - well, unless you post on Esato that is. If a programmer develops/writes a prg for symbian, he doesn't give a peanut on which device the end user will run it
The OS is like the 'soul' in a human, while the device itself is the body. Keep in mind, after one dies, the soul is supposed to 'live' for ever, while the body is discarded.
Posted by thklinge
I sincerly hope that this will be better than XpressMusic 5800 from Nokia cause that shit is dirt slow.
Posted by anonymuser
On 2009-02-16 23:03:55, norbi_nw wrote:
but thats only talk.. it's still a prototype, but it outruns any phone i've ever seen!! the speed of the interface that is.. iPhone is BS comapred to this.
Be fair, the iPhone interface is every bit as fast and has been since the original was launched in 2007. The idou won't be out till July 2009 at the very earliest (and my money's still on December or later, sorry people).
Ps - @mario, if you're trying to destroy S60 and ensure the fledgling Symbian Foundation fails at the hands of the ever more powerful smartphone competition, then your constant harping on is definitely going to help, well done!
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Posted by marty mcfly
Mario, I don't see the point in looking to the 5800 to see what touch S60 is like. Idou is running an
designed system on top of S60, just like Samsung is running TouchWiz on top with the Omnia HD. The experience and speed will be totally different.[ This Message was edited by: marty mcfly on 2009-02-17 12:56 ]
Posted by razec
On 2009-02-17 10:46:28, marty mcfly wrote:
Mario, I don't see the point in looking to the 5800 to see what touch S60 is like. Idou is running an :re: designed system on top of S60, just like Samsung is running TouchWiz on top with the Omnia HD. The experience and speed will be totally different.
and both have far better symbian UI experience than the old school looking 5800 and N97 interface.
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Posted by anonymuser
I have to say, looking at the Omnia HD which is out in "two months", SE had better get a move on with Idou. Okay, it's "only" an 8mp camera, but in all other respects its looks the equal or better of SE's effort. That AMOLED screen is quite an attention grabber, and the touch-wiz interface (which is absolutely no relation to anything on any Nokia phone) is extremely fast and quite well thought out.
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Posted by mario2004
Hmmm . . . I see the people in here are still very much biased regarding the manufacturer. Mind you, some will never change. The reality is, the world around you is changing and either you want to accept it or not but change will does take place
Look at X1. To say that the 'new special OS' is not s60 is like saying the X1's OS is not WM6 but SE In a way you are right, but deep down you are not.
Posted by marty mcfly
Mario what are you talking about? Are you even reading these comments? No one is hating on S60 or Nokia, we're saying that it's pointless to look at the 5800 interface because it's just plain old school S60. The new phones from
and Samsung use S60 as their base, but put their own menus on top. Therefore we have no idea at this stage how either will behave, because there is nothing to compare them with. I don't see anyone being biased here at all, I think you are paranoid
Posted by mario2004
OK, then so be it. I only wanted to share a bit of Symbian knowledge but I see now, some of the members in this forum have a 'different' mentality then the Symbian forum members I usually interact with. Fine with me. No arguing. However, I dare to make one prediction: Some (actually most) programs written for the N97 will run just fine on the ‘special SE operating system’ whatever SE will decide to call it and of course, will run just as happily on Samsung’s TouchViz Interface. But then again, just to keep you happy, it doesn’t have anything to do with the s60 OS
(Here is something recent about TouchViz - http://www.engadgetmobile.com[....]nds-on-now-with-more-touchwiz/ - ) And don’t worry, I won’t bother in here anymore. -
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Posted by se_dude
**Umm..well yea. We all know that the SF OS is backward compatible with other S60 apps. But your stupid inference that Nokia has patented many S60 formats or blah is pure shit. Legally, you cannot patent anything in an open source platform. If you do so, it defies the basic presence of S60.
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Posted by anonymuser
Ugh.
Let's just get a few things straight here. S60 and UIQ were both user interfaces built on top of Symbian. Symbian itself was always the underlying OS of both, and came not from Nokia or SE but Psion, where it was originally developed under the name of Epoc and then spun out as a separate company.
UIQ was designed as a touchscreen interface since day one. That was its main differentiating factor. Nokia, in its wisdom, didn't go so much on touchscreens and developed S60 essentially as a button and menu operated UI, based very much on their own propietary interface (which they at the same time named "S40"). They used it to power any number of what were, essentially, featurephones with extended features - while SE championed UIQ for use in much more defined smartphones.
Fast forward several years, S60 has large market share thanks to its featurephone basis, but is fantastically outdated as an interface when compared to the latest from Apple etc. UIQ is much more up to date in UI terms, but woefully unsupported and unknown due to poor investment and a string of both hardware and software blunders along the way.
Now what's happened right now with Symbian? A fantastic victory for S60 over allcomers? Hardly. Firstly, the whole shebang (whether you're looking at Nokia, S60, UIQ, SE, Symbian itself, or anyone else involved) have all been thoroughly shown up and shamed by the iPhone. The Symbian movement has been chasing the dream of a popular smartphone for 10 years and really not made much of an impact - Apple have achieved it from a standing start in about 18 months. That makes everyone look stupid, Nokia especially so since they've invested more than anyone.
S60 hasn't won. S60 the interface that competed with UIQ is clearly on its way out, retired, since the early emphasis on S40-like menu operation has now come home to roost and left it feeling dated and irrelevant in the new, post-iPhone era. Instead we have an initial attempt to touchify it in the form of the 5800, but ultimately a stripping away of that interface, of what made S60, with the next OS. With the Omnia HD, Idou etc, regardless of their S60 compatibilty, what we're seeing is a new interface - neither S60 or UIQ - running on top of a Symbian base which yes, includes much of the added S60 code, but is equally a rejection of the S60 design, and a long overdue break away from the poor Nokia design decisions that held the platform back for so long.
At least, that's how I see it. And if I'm wrong, and I see any of that S60 heritage seeping through into the Idou, then I won't be buying it - not because I'm biased, or because I'm (at all) brand loyal, but because S60 is a blighted, awful, mess that's plagued Symbian for far too long already.
Posted by thklinge
I agree with every single word and I share your fear. S60 should have gone out the door a long, long time ago and if Idou has the same speed (lack of) and ease of use (it's a mess) as your run of the mill S60 phone or even 5800 then it will be a disaster.
Posted by ares
Have you guys seen the lack of response of Omnia HD´s touchscreen??? All symbian manufacturers can do what they want, but untill they equal the iphone (and the G1) in touch input response (plus multitouch), they will be behind
Also, i don´t see anything on the Idou interface that shows they are benefiting of the AWESOME UIQ Touch concepts we´ve seen before
http://uiq.com/product/showroom/
This is what Symbian Foundation touch OS should be like...and i´m not seeing it in the near future
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Posted by anonymuser
To be honest the Symbian situation depresses me massively. Ten years ago, I was using EPOC devices and would defend that OS to the death. Psion had a really fantastic product on their hands. Had Psion had the capital to develop it and enter the phone market themselves, I think we could all be in a very different place right now.
Instead the baton got passed to the likes of Ericsson and Nokia, and both stuffed up royally as far as I can see. Ericsson/SE/UIQ had the right ideas (the P800 really showed everyone the way), but went on to completely mismanage everything into the ground. Nokia, as far as I can see, have never actually understood the concept of a smartphone, and simply used Symbian to do all the OS donkey work in the background on more complicated devices while still sticking with essentially the same tired old Nokia UI from the 90's - a pointless waste.
In terms of realising the potential of an OS like Symbian to deliver a really advanced user-friendly smartphone for the masses, really nobody's achieved it yet, and instead it's Apple (whose own Steve Jobs was once said to be a fan of the P800) that finally brought the smartphone concept into the mainstream. For all the bluster of the Symbian Foundation (and their little fans like Mario) it's now Nokia and Symbian that are desperately trying to catch up and avoid getting completely sidelined in an iPhone/Android/WinMo pincer movement that renders them completely redundant.
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Posted by thklinge
On 2009-02-17 16:23:40, ares wrote:
Also, i don´t see anything on the Idou interface that shows they are benefiting of the AWESOME UIQ Touch concepts we´ve seen before
http://uiq.com/product/showroom/
This is what Symbian Foundation touch OS should be like...and i´m not seeing it in the near future
Haven't seen their showroom before, that looked awsome! If you can put an interface like that, and on hardware that makes it flow as nicely as it does in the demo, I'm sold! That's a winner with both geeks and moms alike.
Posted by SloopJohnB
Has anyone here seen Palm´s Pre interface videos on youtube? It´s fantastic. It´s very similar to the iphone with multi-touch, ease of use and eye-candy but totally guided towards multitasking with flickable cards plus it has something called sinergy that takes contacts, IM, calendar and social services all together in a whole new level. If any phone in the market today can begin being called ´iphone-killer´, that phone is the Pre. I´m really amazed. However a couple of things still favor the iphone I guess... The first is iTunes... I don´t think the Pre will have a strong desktop app. Second the app store... Pre´s OS is new to the market plus it only accepts apps written on html, javascript and css (very easy to code and very light on resources but at the same time the apps will have limited power). Third is MobileMe. Fourth is 3D games (Pre only runs web code).
I can´t wait for the Pre to hit to market so we can really see what its capable of. Its interface is already superior to the iphone´s current OS, let´s see the rest in a couple of months.
A glimpse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86YZ4rNvZ4E
another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQzCd2OnoM
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Posted by PeterKay
http://www.phonedog.com/cell-[....]raphone-hands-on-mwc-2009.aspx
nice vid
more to come soon says se rep
Posted by xell
I have to shamelessly advertise it: The Idou Demo Tour in HD (720p).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS756Afq9JM
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Very very nice, thanks Xell. It's probably the most simple, yet effective demo tour I've seen.
Posted by razec
On 2009-02-18 09:32:51, xell wrote:
I have to shamelessly advertise it: The Idou Demo Tour in HD (720p).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS756Afq9JM
Site says that the video is no longer available
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Works for me! Try again razec, Youtube has been being a bit funny today.