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12 megapixel Sony Ericsson Kokura on its way?


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Posted by Mentalist
I've received a tip claiming that Sony Ericsson are working on a new 12 megapixel camera phone codenamed the Kokura. No idea where the source of these rumours came from (I'm checking with the tipster as I write), and no pictures either, but the tip is surprisingly detailed, even down to the being chipset used ( a TI 3240, apparently!)

Also from the same tip was news of the Sony Ericsson Yurika. Anyone heard anything about these phones? The details are up on my site, MobileMentalism.com


Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Lol that sounds pretty cool, but I don't know if I can believe it yet. Yurika sounds like Eureka, so you'd hope its something special if it does exist!

Posted by tranced
I know Ericsson is or was working with a new platform that can handle this amount of megapixels. So it could be true.

Posted by goldenface
I know there a few Japanese developed handsets on the way but those codenames sound a but suspect to me.



Posted by Domecot
If this is true than this is gonna be one hell of a phone

Posted by strizlow800
Yes great news. If the platform can support that amount of mega pixels I don't see a reason why they won't make such thing. Also great camera driver and firmware codding would be required for this one, but can take it imho.

Posted by gtr83
They should also put better sensors in the camera module while they're at it. SE was the first to put cams in phones so they mustn't be losing to Samsung in this department.

Posted by strizlow800
They won't mess this up. The problem for this period was the DB3150 platform they made in order to increase phone performance and megapixels. And as any other new platform it was buggy. I think that's the reason why reduced the quality of their phones (mainly the 5mp cameras)... But C905 and the other 12MP if it is coming shouldn't be reduced in quality at all IF the platform supports that.

Posted by ofiaich
Hi!


On 2008-09-30 12:31:24, goldenface wrote:
I know there a few Japanese developed handsets on the way but those codenames sound a but suspect to me.




Kokura is a place name and also a family name so it doesn't follow the pattern of girls names.. but happy to be proved wrong..

Yurika is a girls name... so that fits with the pattern !

I will not type the Kanji for these names because there are too many possibilities, and it's not really important.

Ofiaich



Posted by strizlow800
Well then, let's hope that 12mp phone will be announced from soon.

Posted by NightBlade

On 2008-10-01 22:49:40, strizlow800 wrote:
Well then, let's hope that 12mp phone will be announced from soon.


I wouldn't count on that.

Posted by gtr83
Next year offerings from other brands would be 9-10MP so I guess would hold back if they do have something like this up their sleeves.

Posted by dayz
base on your website, it is noted that the phone will be have S60 interface.

i dont believe that line

it is because SE has already own UIQ and why do they need/want/will change it to S60?

just an opinion

Posted by Muhammad-Oli
^^^Well because of the Symbian Foundation which is coming into effect next year, it is logical to use S60 because the Symbian Foundation's platform will be backwards compatible with S60. When it comes into effect, UIQ will be killed off.

Posted by AbuBasim
Assuming that this information is true, is it not bad for SE that this has been leaked? I could see that this kind of leak could have been originated from a competitor, to hurt SE's sales of the C905. How many potential C905 buyers will skip the C905 and wait for the 12 MP model instead?

Posted by the-flash
^^^Maximys at SEMC blog also gave the same info. Anyway how many people would know about this apart from fanboys like us? So I doubt it would hurt sales too much.

Posted by Angello
think eldar leaked that, a real shame

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Posted by Dr_Jones
eldar from MR?
hmm .....

Posted by Angello
he announced that he will do something like this a while ago...


Posted by goldenface
What are his motives behind that then?

Posted by karlosperu
someone who can make a concept on this new mobile with 12megapixels

sonyericsson produces some mobile Cybershot clamshell,???

Posted by Angello
I think this here

Posted by Karun
Its rumoured that the phone will boast of a touch screen interface with a design similar to Nokia's Tube. It will be based on S60 with Symbian OS 9.4 version.

So its goodbye UIQ.

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Posted by Dups!
As difficult as it is to swallow it was a long time coming. Thanks to SE and UIQ that weve lost the best OS in the business.

Farewell UIQ.

Posted by Mige
12MP?

Posted by echo.shane
10MP the most


Posted by Hiron
@Abu,
I thought the motive is to let the other manufacturer know that SE is building 12MP phone.

So they could prepare to develop 12MP phone and live up to the competition.

If this isn't leaked, maybe Nokia, Samsung and LG could develop 10MP instead. IMO, when this Kokura announced later, it wouldn't be a surprise to other manufacturer. Bad for SE, good for other manufacturer


Hiron

Posted by Guto_ViP
Megapixel war again????

I think 5mp is very good for a home user, like me.

Posted by gtr83
Since Kokura is the name of a Japanese place, it could be that is taking a previously unknown Japanese-only prototype and prepare it for the international market. But 12MP just sounds too much, actually...and not in a good sense.

Posted by lukechris
I WANT 1

Posted by ofiaich

On 2008-10-17 15:08:21, gtr83 wrote:
Since Kokura is the name of a Japanese place, it could be that is taking a previously unknown Japanese-only prototype and prepare it for the international market. But 12MP just sounds too much, actually...and not in a good sense.


Yes, that is what I said -

Kokura is a place name and also a family name so it doesn't follow the pattern of girls names.. but happy to be proved wrong.


way back on 2008-10-01. I can think of better Japanese words to break the trend of girls names.

Ofiaich

Posted by gtr83
Hello ofiaich! I guess something like this just ain't going to be true anytime soon. Maybe 1-2 years from now but obviously not in a matter of months. It's just a rumour anyway.

Posted by ofiaich
Hi!

Hard to say.. but there was a sudden jump from 5.0 - 8.0 ... if people suddenly believe that need a 12 mp camera/,mp3/video player/ all singing and dancing phone, then maybe the developers will proceed quickly..

I wonder, how many people own and really need a digital camera e.g. my Casio Exilim EX-Z75 7.2 mp is enough for me !

Ofiaich




Posted by gtr83
Even 10MP digital cameras are still among the best right now...

Posted by AbuBasim
Maybe Sony has already come to terms with the threat that camera phones have on their digicam sales and are now trying to cash in on the camphone market instead. I haven't seen any 12 MP CMOS announcements at Sony Semiconductor.
Warning: Wishful thinking only: Could this mean that they will be using the 1/1.7" ICX612 sensor? The phone would be similar in size to a digicam with the same sensor size, for example the Fuji F40fd: (96x59x23mm).

Being used to disappointments from SE , I would say probably not. They will most likely be using a yet to be announced 1/3" 12 MP CMOS sensor with a pinhole-sized lens and with picture quality comparable to what you get from this baby.



Posted by gtr83
VGA? Now that's cruel, Abu!

Posted by AbuBasim
Maybe just a little bit exaggerated.

Has it occurred to anyone why in the digicam market we only see CMOS in either really good DSLRs or very cheap keyring cameras? Either very good or very bad.

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Posted by Dups!

On 2008-10-22 08:15:55, AbuBasim wrote:
Maybe Sony has already come to terms with the threat that camera phones have on their digicam sales and are now trying to cash in on the camphone market instead. I haven't seen any 12 MP CMOS announcements at Sony Semiconductor.
Warning: Wishful thinking only: Could this mean that they will be using the 1/1.7" ICX612 sensor? The phone would be similar in size to a digicam with the same sensor size, for example the Fuji F40fd: (96x59x23mm).

Being used to disappointments from SE , I would say probably not. They will most likely be using a yet to be announced 1/3" 12 MP CMOS sensor with a pinhole-sized lens and with picture quality comparable to what you get from this baby.

Hmmm! I wonder, that would be nice.

I remember Eldar writing that the C905 is going to lose to the INNOV8 and a lot of people here attacked him and said he is biased. So far he is winning, the INNOV8 is a better camera in terms of clarity, only loses in night shots where the Xenon flash is better.

What I'm saying is that he also mentioned that Nokia is going to demolish the C905 until SE gets back to its best with a 10Mp camera phone.
So, thinking about your post Abu and what Eldar said the upcoming 10/12Mp camera phone from SE could be using a Sony digicam module/sensor considering that Eldar called it a "monster" camphone.




Posted by AbuBasim
Now that would be the perfect replacement for my old i-mobile 902!

Basically that's what Samart (actually ASUS), LG and Gigabyte did a couple of years ago. They took a real 5 MP CCD digicam sensor (same one used in for example Canon's SD450 and SD30) and put it in a camphone. If SE did the same with a 12 MP CCD then they would win my lifetime loyalty

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Posted by mafiasurf
Did u hear about the nokia N104 with 15 meg pix

Posted by Muhammad-Oli
That's wrong in so many more ways than one.

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Posted by gforce23

On 2008-10-22 19:22:11, AbuBasim wrote:
Maybe just a little bit exaggerated.

Has it occurred to anyone why in the digicam market we only see CMOS in either really good DSLRs or very cheap keyring cameras? Either very good or very bad.


The new Canon SX1 IS is a CMOS-equipped 10MP mid-range shooter.

Posted by AbuBasim

On 2008-10-24 15:21:41, gforce23 wrote:
The new Canon SX1 IS is a CMOS-equipped 10MP mid-range shooter.

I read the specs at DPReview.com. 1/2.3 CMOS. It'll be interesting to see the reviews on this one!

Posted by gtr83
But SE is reducing its diversification in products, so will we see the multimedia monstrosity too on this beast?

Posted by gforce23

On 2008-10-24 16:59:29, AbuBasim wrote:

On 2008-10-24 15:21:41, gforce23 wrote:
The new Canon SX1 IS is a CMOS-equipped 10MP mid-range shooter.

I read the specs at DPReview.com. 1/2.3 CMOS. It'll be interesting to see the reviews on this one!

Unfortunately, the pricks at Canon have decided not to release this beauty into the hands of avid enthusiasts in the U.S.
Anyways, IIRC Sony had a CMOS-equipped mid-ranger too.. the R1 way back in '06.

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Posted by AbuBasim

On 2008-10-24 20:38:27, gforce23 wrote:
Anyways, IIRC Sony had a CMOS-equipped mid-ranger too.. the R1 way back in '06.

The Sony R1 had a large sensor: 21.5 x 14.4 mm (very close to APS-C) which means that it had almost the same pixel density as dSLRs with the same resolution, like for example the Canon EOS 40D (sensor size 22.2 x 14.8 mm). I expect that the quality of the photos from the Canon SX1 will not be even near what you got from the Sony R1.

But maybe I am wrong. Canon may have developed some new kind of CMOS sensor, like Sony's new back-illuminated sensor.

Posted by AbuBasim
I hope SE doesn't use the EXMOR sensor in the rumored 12 MP phone. I just read DPReview' review of Sony's A900, which is equipped with a 24 MP full frame EXMOR CMOS sensor. The following is quoted from the high ISO comparison with Nikon's D700:

Whilst the Alpha 900's headline-grabbing 24.6 million pixel count might put it at the top of the resolution tree it does, inevitably, come at a price: despite the large, full-frame sensor, the pixel density is roughly the same as a 10MP APS-C camera, and that means noise is going to be a problem at higher ISO settings. The inherently higher noise, combined with Sony's rather brutal approach to noise reduction, means that the Alpha 900 produces rather disappointing output at ISO 1600 and above.

As the example at the bottom of the page shows, turning the noise reduction off, switching to raw capture and doing some serious post-processing (including cutting the resolution in half) narrows the gap between the Alpha 900 and the Nikon D700 significantly, but there's no getting away from the fact that in its desire to raise the megapixel bar even further, Sony has produced one of the noisier D-SLRs launched in the last few years.


If they use the same type of sensor, then the 12 MP camera phone will only produce at most 6 MP in actual resolution. (Compare with the 4 MP output from the C905.)

Posted by jordyzzz
i hope they put ccd and optical zoom on this phone!
not a sucked cmos and digital zoom!

Posted by idumbakumar
especially we dont need 320x240. also not even VGA we need more than that.
i already hate c905 for video alone. a cheap nokia 3.2,p cam does VGA recording but 8mp c905 failed to do that shame.... what ever may be i dont accept in that side.

Posted by gforce23
Sony Commercializes World's First, Industry Leading Resolution 12.25 Megapixel CMOS Image Sensor "Exmor(TM)" for Mobile Phones, new phone expected in March

Sony has just announced the Exmor IMX060PQ CMOS sensor, which paired with its matching auto-focus lens module (IU060F), will turn some lucky handset into a 1/2.5, 12.25 megapixel shooter when it enters the race in March 2009.



Sample image:


Source

I hope they've improved the optics. Either way, we have a real race on our hands.

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