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Posted by Mizzle
Well, that does depend on the manufacturer's choices. You could get a small CMOS sensor that'll perform as well as a small CCD sensor, but I would probably be a bit more expensive.


Posted by Bonovox
I read in some camera mag that CMOS produces better colours. Im non the wiser on that though.

Posted by Mizzle
That has nothing to do with what kind of sensor it is, rather the specific sensor and the software.

Posted by shyam335

On 2008-08-23 13:08:34, razec wrote:
You guys really think that this phone has much better specs than C905 as i see it the only thing that this phone has to brag over the C905 was the better video recording. everything about the platform's flexibility and functionality is still questionable we all know that and since this is a non-Os phone it supports java applications, i wonder how can this beat C905's powerful a200 platform esp. that java applications have some issues dealing with touchscreen interfaces

[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2008-08-23 12:09 ]


Picsel file Viewer,I know there are lot of people want the pdf,doc,xls,pps.
That is not a checkbox feature.

Ill agree ISO 1600 is just a checkbox feature,but at least we have an option.

Posted by badassmam
You have to give LG credit because they are moving fast. We're still waiting for to give us something really special and all the while, LG is churning out good phones. For a 'small' company, that is a quality looking product.

The way I see it, the LG has a touchscreen, top video recording and looks lovely. The C905 looks worse IMO. Its all a matter of opinion but don't slam LG, they have come a long way. is just so dull recently, a lot of ugly, recycled and boring phones.

Posted by -PERFECT-
New pics on gsmarena:

http://www.gsmarena.com/showp[....]nd-appearance/gsmarena_003.jpg

http://www.gsmarena.com/showp[....]nd-appearance/gsmarena_002.jpg

It looks and promises very well! Expected release in october.


Posted by gola
Is that a combination of led and xenon flash I see there?

Posted by -PERFECT-
A led where there is the xenon? Don’t think so, the led that can be used for video is below it, nevertheless the xenon flash looks strange.


Posted by gola

On 2008-09-04 14:36:52, -PERFECT- wrote:
A led where there is the xenon?...

lol, no.

... Don’t think so, the led that can be used for video is below it, nevertheless the xenon flash looks strange.



Yeah, that's what I thought.

Posted by MWEB

On 2008-08-23 13:31:30, Mizzle wrote:
razec that's not true either. CMOS is better than CCD these days, and the majority of dslr cameras are based on CMOS sensors as well.


Yeah, as you say in DSLR's, the utter crap/cheap CMOS sensors used in camphones bear no relation whatsoever to the full frame units utilised in proper cameras.
This LG has winner written all over it, TS is where it's at these days.

Posted by norbi_nw
OMG sony is sh!t compared to there babys. Sony is the only one with QVGA video recording LOL LMAO ROTFL LMFAO! For those who prefere keypad over touchscreen, i recomand buying an UIQ phone, and you will never want normal keys again (I am live example). So C905 is lightyears behind. Not to mention that it has a DOLBY CHIP for sound. What can C905 do? take pictures, and thats it. You know that nokia and motorola is next with 8MP... and nokia won't release a 8mp phone without top symbian.. neighter will moto. So SE is out of the game. They're 5th place now, and they plan to buy moto lol.. I ask again:
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME SE WAS 1st IN PICTURE QUALITY? 3 years ago? Thats what I remember. You SE fanatics expect a miracle from SE or what? I also was a fan of SE... till i bought my k810...
Pity; looks like C905 is born dead.

EDIT: and i still think it uses that same old lame 100 year old 200mhz CPU. No problem, in 2010 they will raise it to 210mhz. Thats enough for SE phones.. Why would you need more? so that programs and games could run smoothly??! no need...

[ This Message was edited by: norbi_nw on 2008-09-04 17:10 ]

Posted by -PERFECT-
Seoul, 2008-09-04 [09:55] (Korea Newswire)-- LG Electronics (LG), a worldwide technology and design leader in mobile communications, announced that it would launch the LG-KC910, the only 8 megapixel multimedia phone with a full touchscreen interface. The LG-KC910 boasts top-of-the-range camera capabilities and the latest multimedia features, all combined with a 3.0 inch full touchscreen.

“With our new flagship handset, the LG-KC910, we’ve once again combined a high-end camera with top-notch multimedia features and full touchscreen interface to provide the ultimate multimedia experience,” said Dr. Skott Ahn, President and CEO of LG Electronics Mobile Communications Company. “According to our customers a full touchscreen interface is essential for fully utilizing high-end multimedia features and this is one of many areas where the LG-KC910 excels.”

The LG-KC910 is the perfect successor to the multi-million selling camera phone, LG Viewty. Like its predecessor, which debuted as the slimmest 5 megapixel phone, the LG-KC910 will be the slimmest 8 megapixel handset on the market at just 13.95 mm when released. This phone combines the latest multimedia features and an intuitive user interface evolved far beyond what Viewty offered. With this phone LG has created a multi-sensorial experience like no other, providing enhanced viewing enjoyment, superior sound and better use of touch.

The LG-KC910 leads the industry with its 8 megapixel camera, which is being developed to include Schneider-Kreuznach certified optics, a xenon flash and ISO sensitivity up to 1600. Further strengthening the phone’s camera features are image stabilization, auto-focus, manual focus, Face Tracking, Smile Shot and blink detection. An embedded GPS receiver gives the LG-KC910 the ability to geo-tag photos for later plotting on an interactive map. A variety of creative shot modes, so far only found on standalone digital cameras, will be included.

The handset’s perfect repertoire of high-end multimedia features provides the ultimate multi- sensorial experience. The LG-KC910 is the first handset for the global market to include Dolby Mobile, an integrated suite of audio processing technologies which brings depth and richness as well as clean, powerful bass to the music listening experience.

Video features are just as advanced as audio features. The LG-KC910 can record video from 5fps up to 120fps, which allows it to record in both fast and slow motion. The phone also plays DivX and Xvid movies straight out of the box, without the need for additional encoding.

A 3.0-inch WQVGA full touch LCD screen is the ideal canvas for experiencing and interacting with the LG-KC910’s multimedia features. A customizable interface, with numerous widgets and shortcuts, makes the phone’s myriad features even easier to use.

Rounding out the phone’s comprehensive feature set, are A-GPS enabled navigation, compatibility with the latest 3G HSDPA networks for connections up to 7.2Mbps and Wi-Fi for even faster internet access. The phone also includes a Jogging Buddy program that uses GPS technology to help track workouts, a feature sure to please exercise enthusiasts.

The KC910 will be available for purchase beginning in October. LG will release additional technical specifications and information on the LG-KC910, including details on its comprehensive capabilities and pet name.


Any of you think that it could run with Android software?



Posted by bigberta
It looks fantastic. I found a few pictures in another forum. It appears some lucky guy got his hand on a test unit.

http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00521gf5.jpg
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/333/dsc00520bu7.jpg
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/3444/dsc00519cp3.jpg

Posted by -PERFECT-
Wow! Wonderful in these live photos!
@bigberta: thanks for the links
The guy that has posted these pics says:

“Yeah its still a flash UI but a lot of the UI has changed for the better.
Faster, easier to text and now has auto rotate..”

“yeah I have one.. just got a final sample... very nice... takes brilliant photos.. using it as my primary phone right now.”

“much beter than omnia. The ui on the kc910 is designed for touch input.. omnia is still windows mobile with an overlay that doesn't go deep enough.”

“A few things I have noticed so far:
UI is much quicker than U990
New status bar. tapping the top bar brings down a status bar that shows:
Battery
Memory
Quick access to profiles
Quick access to music
Wifi
Bluetooth
The middle button between the call and end keys gives you access to a favourites menu and also a task menu. you can end tasks from here or end all.
There is a new widget menu which lets you drag and drop widgets onto the desktop. there is one online widget the weather one and the rest are all preset.”


Posted by NightBlade
That UI is enough to put me off.

And besides, what's up with that camera bulging out like that??

Posted by driftmania
Still much thinner than the C905.

Posted by -PERFECT-

On 2008-09-08 00:59:58, NightBlade wrote:
And besides, what's up with that camera bulging out like that??


Because it has big abilitys? Like a beautiful pregnant girl!

Posted by darrengf
No one can say that the UI has put you of with out first testing and seeing the ui.

I'm seriously interested in the phone at the moment and im a se die hard fan. But at present this has excited me, I cant say the same however for the c905 which is a shame
Any more info on the phone ?

I think LG is onto a winner here.

If it can keep up with me texting, then it has my vote

[ This Message was edited by: darrengf on 2008-09-08 00:32 ]

Posted by norbi_nw
IT's beautiful, it's powerful, customizeable UI (you can create flash things at home), It's slim, I wonder if it can handle office documents... soon this beauty will be out, and being an LG it shouldn't cost much. So it's this, or the Innov8 for me

Posted by karlosperu

On 2008-09-07 23:24:54, bigberta wrote:
It looks fantastic. I found a few pictures in another forum. It appears some lucky guy got his hand on a test unit.






if this new mobile, has sound DOLBY, where are the speakers?





[ This Message was edited by: giancito on 2008-09-08 22:29 ]

Posted by maherladsak
Ill guess. If they place it on the sides, the best then, its nokia style. Or if they place it together with the earpiece, like omnia, then its also good coz ull get the best sound while watching movies.

Posted by QVGA
There are still who think C905 is better. Pity.

Posted by Leks
No i900 for me anymore, will definatly go for this instead. Loved my Viewty and the UI of it, but missed the gps.

Can't wait for this to hit the market!

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[ This Message was edited by: Leks on 2008-09-08 20:05 ]

Posted by karlosperu
Name a key to this LG KC910 is RENOIR

LG Renoir as part of LG Lineup
The LG Renoir is designed to replace the LG Viewty in the lineup of LG camera phones as well as to serve as the flagship phone for the handset maker. The Viewty impressed camera phone owners when it was released last year but the standards for digital cameras have advanced a lot in that short period of time; the LG Renoir is designed as an upgrade which includes those advances in its design. It has the same features that were appealing to the people who like the Viewty – such as the touchscreen and the video camera features – but it also has more to offer than what the previous LG phones have been capable of due to its freshness in the market.

LG has started to gain a name for itself in the camera phone market. This is because of the company’s focus on making sure to be always up-to-date in terms of the digital camera features that are available on a phone. If an advance is made in digital camera technology, LG looks at how to incorporate that into the design of a cell phone. Moreover, LG has not stuck with just offering high-quality photo-taking abilities but has branched out to also offer high-quality video recording on the company’s camera phones. This is all reflected in the most up-to-date manner possible with the upcoming release of the LG Renoir

Summary of LG KC910 Renoir
The LG Renoir is really leading the way in terms of advanced camera phones entering the market this year. There aren’t too many competitors in terms of an eight megapixel, full-feature camera phone. Add in the fact that the LG Renoir has advanced video-recording features along with multi-media playback features and you’re looking at a phone that can really do it all in this multimedia world. The handset doesn’t scrimp on the basics, though; it can do all of the calling and Internet-based things that you want your mobile phone to be capable of doing. For those people who want a phone that can do a lot and do it well – with a particular emphasis on the camera phone features of the device – this is definitely one of the phones to be eyeing for late 2008.


http://www.lgrenoir.com/

[ This Message was edited by: giancito on 2008-09-08 22:46 ]

Posted by >500

On 2008-09-08 19:59:59, QVGA wrote:
There are still who think C905 is better. Pity.



people never learn..... having better specs on paper does NOT make it a better phone.



Posted by QVGA

On 2008-09-09 02:50:20, >500 wrote:

On 2008-09-08 19:59:59, QVGA wrote:
There are still who think C905 is better. Pity.



people never learn..... having better specs on paper does NOT make it a better phone.



You can keep saying that but it wont make the C905 better. VGA at 30FPS is better than QVGA, whether thats on paper or not.


Posted by soane28
This is certainly better than the C905. SE are behind again whether you accept that or not.

The only advantage would be that SE's xenon flash will be stronger, LGs flashes have been crap.

Posted by razec
^^ add to that he flashy yet weak and less functional UI of the LG that'll make users bored after months of use not to mention that lack of multitasking which imo is very important for all phones nowadays (with open OS or not)

Posted by QVGA
If it even remotely as flashy as KF600 then its impossible to get bored IMO

Posted by marty mcfly
On 2008-09-09 05:09:10, QVGA wrote:

You can keep saying that but it wont make the C905 better. VGA at 30FPS is better than QVGA, whether thats on paper or not.

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I'm sorry but you are wrong on this. Just because it has better video capture, it isn't guaranteed to be a better phone to use, and that's the most important thing. Who cares about the amazing specs if it is a pain to use? It is supposed to be a Mobile Phone after all, not just a camera.

I owned a Viewty and the UI, I found to be terrible on the whole. There was no file management. The phone put things where it wanted and you couldn't even sort files by name.

It couldn't handle my music. With 200 songs on the memory card, it was so slow, it took 45 SECONDS to load all the music if you switched between artists, albums etc.

The camera playback mode brought in ALL media on the phone instead of the pics and vids from the camera. This slowed it down to a crawl.

To enter numbers during a call you had to unlock the phone, then select the number pad, then enter numbers. By the time you've done all that you had to start again.

The SE has by contrast a UI that does everything quickly and efficiently. Yes the specs are much lower, but I can organise my files how I like, actually use the muisc player with more than 5 songs on it, make phone calls easily, and basically enjoy using it without frustration.

My first concern when buying a phone is not its video capture, its whether I can live with it day to day. I suppose if you got annoyed by its lack of usability, you could always capture a VGA video, and admire how it is 1.5" bigger on your PC Screen That'll make up for everything I'm sure.

And on a childish note, Renoir is stupidest name for a phone ever


Posted by Dextrr
marty:

I owned a viewty KE990 (the non-3G version) for over 4 months and just recently gave it to my younger brother. I did not experience anything you mentioned. It's a brilliant phone. The only con I can think of is the battery life which I can forgive because of the size of the screen. Maybe you had a faulty unit?

If you folks think SE's UI is flashy, wait till you see Viewty's. Pure eye candy and very functional. I am impressed with the current Viewty's performance and will definately be buying the Renoire when it's released. It's just too slim and sexy to pass up with all the high-tech gadgetry. LG have come a long way and their products are top notch now a days.

Posted by marty mcfly

On 2008-09-09 09:48:20, Dextrr wrote:
marty:

I owned a viewty KE990 (the non-3G version) for over 4 months and just recently gave it to my younger brother. I did not experience anything you mentioned. It's a brilliant phone. The only con I can think of is the battery life which I can forgive because of the size of the screen. Maybe you had a faulty unit?

If you folks think SE's UI is flashy, wait till you see Viewty's. Pure eye candy and very functional. I am impressed with the current Viewty's performance and will definately be buying the Renoire when it's released. It's just too slim and sexy to pass up with all the high-tech gadgetry. LG have come a long way and their products are top notch now a days.


I had 2 and they were both the same.
Besides, lack of file management is not going to be caused by a fault. Neither is the poor in call interface. The slow media player is just the way it is. I had something like 400 songs on the phone and it couldn't cope. My K810 has no trouble. A work colleague has the Viewty and has the same frustrations with Media. It would work okay with about 30 songs, but why should I do that?

Posted by -PERFECT-

On 2008-09-09 08:49:39, marty mcfly wrote:
Just because it has better video capture, it isn't guaranteed to be a better phone to use, and that's the most important thing. Who cares about the amazing specs if it is a pain to use? It is supposed to be a [b] Mobile Phone


And if C905 hasn’t better video capture it isn’t guaranteed it will be a better phone to use.
A sure thing is that KC910 will have better video capabilitys, and this not only on the paper.
I like to make a judgement about a phone only after i have tried it, i can insure that my LG Secret is a plasure to use as a MOBILE PHONE.
So, like Dextrr, i have a good confidence about the new LG.
There will be some reasons if LG Electronics in the second quarter of 2008 has sold 27.7 million mobile devices and has reported, compared to previous quarter,the highest growth rate among the five most important producers, with an increase of 14% in units sold.


Posted by QVGA
Every sony ericsson has the same interface whether its a cheap one or a high end one. you change a SE phone and it doesnt really feel like you've changed it

Posted by marty mcfly

On 2008-09-09 14:16:31, -PERFECT- wrote:
And if C905 hasn’t better video capture it isn’t guaranteed it will be a better phone to use.
A sure thing is that KC910 will have better video capabilitys, and this not only on the paper.




You're missing the point. This has nothing to do with video vs video, it's about judging a phones overall performance and usefulness based on purely looking at its specs.
The Viewty has it all over my K810i on paper, but my K810i is 20 times easier to live with. It performs better all round (faster, applications do what they're supposed to do) and thats what's important.
And yes, I agree that SE's interface is too similar phone to phone, but it's far better than the Viewty to use. Visuals are not as important as ease of use.

Posted by voda_jon
who knows if this phone will trump the c905.... lets not forget that both handsets are yet to reach full release firmware.

plus everyone is sayin how bad the lg viewty was for everything... arent we talkin bout the renoir?

Posted by marty mcfly
The phones are very similar. That's why I used it as an example.

Posted by -PERFECT-
New photos:

http://www.giiks.com/?2008/09/07/1414-lg-kc910-en-photos

http://www.flickr.com/photos/giiks/tags/kc910/

Posted by darrengf
Getting more and more excited every time i see this phone.

Just need a good review of it now

Posted by karlosperu
The microSD card is inserted through the side and no longer pulling the battery



Posted by aasimtom
Ugly...

Posted by NightBlade

On 2008-09-10 02:24:16, aasimtom wrote:
Ugly...

From that angle... it sure is...

Posted by Miss UK
iPhone look-a-like ain't it !

lol maybe it will be better then that overall and atleast it will be avail to all networks not just 1

looks a lot nicer then the Viewty 1 as that was kinda bricky hmm

Posted by karlosperu












Posted by se_dude
OMG!!!Look at the UI.



Posted by marty mcfly

On 2008-09-10 18:53:42, se_dude wrote:
OMG!!!Look at the UI.




Yes it's the same as the Viewty, which is why I was comparing the two on the last page before I got flamed. Clearly I didn't know what I was talking about

Posted by darrengf
I have been using the Viewty for the last few days and I have to say that the UI is very nice indeed.

Its very very simular to the SE, meus are in simular places and all seem to work and do there job.

The only thing i found to be problamatic were java applications.

out of all my games, i couldnt get one to work, however of the software applications worked fine.

Regarding the texting with the touch screen, This what shocked me the most, It was very good. no lag and every touch worked fine, oncei had got used to it.

I was impressed. So im not really excited with the KC910

Posted by QVGA

On 2008-09-10 18:53:42, se_dude wrote:
OMG!!!Look at the UI.



yeah what about it?

Posted by Dextrr

On 2008-09-10 18:53:42, se_dude wrote:
OMG!!!Look at the UI.




The old Viewty's UI was sexy this one looks as good if not better. A lot better than the same old circa ~2000 A100-A200 SE UI.

Posted by Dart5
Not so keen on the back of this phone but the rest oslooking good.


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