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Posted by NightBlade


LG just officially announced to us the successor of the Viewty, the KC910. It is an all-in-one multimedia phone, sporting 8-megapixel camera, Dolby sound for music, and DivX and XviD support for video playback. At 14mm thickness, LG announces the KC910 as the slimmest 8MP phone on the market. It has Xenon flash, Schneider-Kreuznach lens, ISO up to 1600 and can capture video in VGA resolution at 30fps and in QVGA at up to 120fps for slow motion effect. Thanks to a built-in GPS, the photos can be geo tagged with the coordinates of the place they are taken at. advertisment:
Other camera features include option for manual focus, face, smile and blink detection and digital image stabilizer. The KC910 is a quad-band GSM with support for HSDPA 7.2 Mbps, has Bluetooth 2.0, Wi-Fi, microSD slot for up to 8GB of memory, 3-inch WQVGA 240x400 touch display and TV-out for watching images or videos on larger screen. There is no information if it will run on the same interface as the Viewty and the KF700, or on a new one. LG says that it will come to the market in October of this year.


Via PhoneArena.
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Posted by QVGA
Who will buy the C905 after this? Both this and the i8510 murders the C905. And being an LG, it shouldnt be expensive

Posted by NightBlade
*raises hand*

Bleh, LG...

Posted by QVGA
Bleh all you want. Its obvious which is better and which isnt.

Posted by NightBlade
TrackID is all it takes for me to stay with SE. Can't live without that thing.

Posted by Fanofmodi

On 2008-08-22 15:06:10, QVGA wrote:
Who will buy the C905 after this? Both this and the i8510 murders the C905. And being an LG, it shouldnt be expensive

atleast me.

Posted by xironghostx
wow

Impressive.



Posted by dancingfate

On 2008-08-22 15:06:10, QVGA wrote:
Who will buy the C905 after this? Both this and the i8510 murders the C905. And being an LG, it shouldnt be expensive


Me, because C905 is an .
I don't like Korean style UI in both LG or Samsung, specially in messaging.
Besides, LG is mostly known for home appliance here.

Posted by >500

On 2008-08-22 15:17:50, QVGA wrote:
Bleh all you want. Its obvious which is better and which isnt.



its really annoying when i see comments like this. just because one is better spec'd, it does not mean its the better phone.

all depends on buyers needs/preferences. obviously the phone that suits them more is the 'better' phone.

for me, the c905 would be the better phone, i prefer a keypad of some sort over full TS

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Posted by shyam335
Looking good.
Will it be the best dumb (oops,"feature") phone.
On the side note,lg seems to improve big time over the last few years.


On 2008-08-22 15:19:46, NightBlade wrote:
TrackID is all it takes for me to stay with SE. Can't live without that thing.



Poor argument,its not even hard to use trackid in most phones.

Posted by QVGA

On 2008-08-22 17:22:26, >500 wrote:

On 2008-08-22 15:17:50, QVGA wrote:
Bleh all you want. Its obvious which is better and which isnt.



its really annoying when i see comments like this. just because one is better spec'd, it does not mean its the better phone.

all depends on buyers needs/preferences. obviously the phone that suits them more is the 'better' phone.

for me, the c905 would be the better phone, i prefer a keypad of some sort over full TS

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[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2008-08-22 16:26 ]

Needs and preferences? So far the only need and preference i've heard in this thread is that "i need a SE' and " i need track ID". Some needs those are!
so far on paper this beats C905 in sound quality(not a surprise), video playback, screen, video recording and we'll see about the camera. If this is the same price as C905 then the only reason to get C905 is because its a SE.

Posted by gola
Whoa, I can confidently conclude the C905 wiped off the face of the earth, wait, what's a C905 again

WELL DONE LG!!!!!
I feel sorry for SE and nightblade

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Posted by QVGA

On 2008-08-22 18:11:48, gola wrote:
Whoa, I can confidently conclude the C905 wiped off the face of the earth, wait, what's a C905 again

WELL DONE LG!!!!!
I fell sorry for SE and nightblade


When you feel sorry for SE, you automatically feel sorry for nightblade and plankgaton
"because the reason to get C905 is track ID"

Posted by gola
^^This is serious, SE is falling behind.

Posted by QVGA

On 2008-08-22 18:18:34, gola wrote:
^^This is serious, SE is falling behind.


you think?

Posted by djin
Nice phone! ITs surprising to have xenon in such a slim phone btw. Its sure gonna kill iphone 3g as well an ultra tough competition for c905.

Posted by QVGA

On 2008-08-22 18:19:17, djin wrote:
Nice phone! ITs surprising to have xenon in such a slim phone btw. Its sure gonna kill iphone 3g as well an ultra tough competition for c905.

well the interface will decide where it stands against iphone

Posted by karlosperu
no radio fm????

no autorotate????

[ This Message was edited by: giancito on 2008-08-22 17:25 ]

Posted by Bonovox
Come SE is not finished just cos of this phone. The C905 is still a credible device i would rather buy the SE than the LG simply because i prefer SE interface and software and their products appeal to me more. The LG is fantastic spec wise and also looks good but from experience i have had with LG i would not buy another one. Their phones constantly shut down freeze etc and their support is not as good as SE. Anyway im sure its great but dont you guys think this new LG looks like the Samsung Omnia.

Posted by masada1971
beautiful phone but what about the rest?battery life,radio,autofocus,software and hardware update and service??no thanks, i rather stick with c905 when it comes out...

Posted by shyam335
Oh come on,we have been through this gazillion times.lg phones freeze,hang and hey se never.
and lg interface is even more 'flashier' (yep,flash).

Posted by Bonovox
No im not saying SE phones never play up but from my experience LG have been worse. Im not saying the quality of this phone is bad its just i would rather buy the C905 personally.

Posted by se_dude
In India, Lg is known for its microwaves.People hardly give a damn to what LG releases. Each shop has their own SE representative and SE have been kind enough to provide them with a C702 each. And guess what, they all know of the C905.

Posted by sigea

It looks lovely. Buying it would depend on the OS stability and camera reviews

As for Sonys stability, I remember throwing the P990 in anger several times , cos of its crashes and quirks

Although the later firmware updates made it bearable, the experience left a bad taste.

I guess its the same with LG users.

But then the P1i came by and made SE ok, Lets see if this one does it for LG



Posted by makbil

On 2008-08-22 18:37:00, Bonovox wrote:
...Their phones constantly shut down freeze etc and their support is not as good as SE.

So, basically they are pretty much like SE phones

Posted by Bonovox
I have yet to purchase any of the latest SE phones though i do like a them. But i know of plenty of friends and family who have the latest SE handsets and they tell me they are much more stable and reliable these days. I dont know but i prefer them anyway i dont like the LG interface and software. The specs and quality of this new LG sounds great but i wont buy it. Actually Samsung are more reliable of the Korean companies.


Posted by Dups!
Very, very nice! Even though I wouldn't buy an LG or Samsung but I think they know how to compete and stay ahead of the likes of SE.

Posted by Bonovox
With Nokia still top of the charts where does LG and SE sit now. Whats the top 5.

Posted by Dups!
1. Nokia
2. Samsung
3. Motorola
4. LG
5. Sony Ericsson

Posted by Bonovox
Blimey im shocked i never realised SE were 5th. And their C902 is currently the 2nd biggest selling contract phone at the moment. Samsung Tocco being 1st. I know in some respects LG have raced ahead of SE with technology but i still prefer SE. I was going to buy an N82 soon but may hang on for C905.

Posted by djin
Indeed, Sony Ericsson may be fifth in terms of units sold, but its net sales were substantially higher than both LG and Motorola, reflecting the fact that its phones are more focused on the high end market (and thus high end prices) that the other companies. - source http://mobilementalism.com/20[....]ve-mobile-phone-manufacturers/


@Qvga,
I meant in terms of specs, against iphone. Since both have same form factor.
Ofcourse sales wise iphone will win over, just because, the i and the apple.

Posted by NightBlade

On 2008-08-22 17:36:33, shyam335 wrote:
Looking good.
Will it be the best dumb (oops,"feature") phone.
On the side note,lg seems to improve big time over the last few years.


On 2008-08-22 15:19:46, NightBlade wrote:
TrackID is all it takes for me to stay with SE. Can't live without that thing.



Poor argument


That's your opinion. And I'm not obliged to give you any sorts of arguments about why I'll buy the C905. I was just making a statement.


When you feel sorry for SE, you automatically feel sorry for nightblade and plankgaton
"because the reason to get C905 is track ID"

Oh, just shut up.

Posted by Dextrr
Impressive and super stylish! Xenon, GPS and 8mp all stuffed in a 14mm thin body, SEXY!

Posted by Bonovox
Obviously i was wrong but there was me thinking you could only fit a Xenon flash in 2 thicker phone cos of capacitors. I wonder if the flash will be better than the Viewtys one cos that one was not very bright. Best flash so far is N82.

Posted by Dextrr
You bring up a good point Bonovox. I really hope the xenon will be more powerful than their Viewty or the K850. Eargerly awaiting for a few sample pics and more detailed stats of this beauty.

Posted by karlosperu
there is an image of the back where the camera?

Posted by se_dude
We need to look at the image quality now tho.

But, i dont need a full touch phone, I need a phone with a keypad.Its hard to type smses with a finger and working with them is pretty tiring,coz after using it for sometimes the screen starts lagging.

Posted by >500

On 2008-08-22 18:04:51, QVGA wrote:

On 2008-08-22 17:22:26, >500 wrote:

On 2008-08-22 15:17:50, QVGA wrote:
Bleh all you want. Its obvious which is better and which isnt.



its really annoying when i see comments like this. just because one is better spec'd, it does not mean its the better phone.

all depends on buyers needs/preferences. obviously the phone that suits them more is the 'better' phone.

for me, the c905 would be the better phone, i prefer a keypad of some sort over full TS

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[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2008-08-22 16:26 ]

Needs and preferences? So far the only need and preference i've heard in this thread is that "i need a SE' and " i need track ID". Some needs those are!
so far on paper this beats C905 in sound quality(not a surprise), video playback, screen, video recording and we'll see about the camera. If this is the same price as C905 then the only reason to get C905 is because its a SE.



why, if the price is the same, is the only reason to get the c905 is because its a thats utterly rediculous!

even if the c905 was more expensive, id get it, again, right now, i prefer a keypad of some sort. not because its a

sure the lg has more features, but like i said, it does not mean its the better phone.

im out........

Posted by QVGA

On 2008-08-23 08:26:34, >500 wrote:

On 2008-08-22 18:04:51, QVGA wrote:

On 2008-08-22 17:22:26, >500 wrote:

On 2008-08-22 15:17:50, QVGA wrote:
Bleh all you want. Its obvious which is better and which isnt.



its really annoying when i see comments like this. just because one is better spec'd, it does not mean its the better phone.

all depends on buyers needs/preferences. obviously the phone that suits them more is the 'better' phone.

for me, the c905 would be the better phone, i prefer a keypad of some sort over full TS

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[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2008-08-22 16:26 ]

Needs and preferences? So far the only need and preference i've heard in this thread is that "i need a SE' and " i need track ID". Some needs those are!
so far on paper this beats C905 in sound quality(not a surprise), video playback, screen, video recording and we'll see about the camera. If this is the same price as C905 then the only reason to get C905 is because its a SE.



why, if the price is the same, is the only reason to get the c905 is because its a thats utterly rediculous!

even if the c905 was more expensive, id get it, again, right now, i prefer a keypad of some sort. not because its a

sure the lg has more features, but like i said, it does not mean its the better phone.

im out........


Good enough. Atleast you gave a reason to not get this phone unlike some geniuses here who would get SE because it has trackID.
@nightblade
on anyother forum with a little more strict mods, you'd be out in no time for merely giving "statements" as you call them without giving reasons. Most of your replies to almost all topics you post in are two or three word replies.

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Posted by K71
that certainly is a nice looking and spec'd phone.haven't used an LG before, but they are not well represented in n.z. anyway.things certainly are heating up in the high end market!!the new challenger to nokia?

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Posted by NightBlade

On 2008-08-23 09:20:12, QVGA wrote:
@nightblade
on anyother forum with a little more strict mods, you'd be out in no time for merely giving "statements" as you call them without giving reasons. Most of your replies to almost all topics you post in are two or three word replies.

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[ This Message was edited by: QVGA on 2008-08-23 08:22 ]

I am expressing myself as briefly and clearly as possible. I don't like writing novels about why phone A is better than phone B *coughDogmanncough*, which would be a tad too tiresome to read.
And no, I wouldn't have been kicked out of the forum for such kind of "misbehaviour". Seriously, do you have a problem with me?

Posted by fatreg
Hang on hang on....

am I reading this right!?

120fps in XVGA!?

So that's 1024*768 in pure 120fps video? oooooh.....

Even Sonys' H50 only does 30fps at 640*480

methinks some manufacturers have got to up the ante......

Nudge nudge wink wink Nokia......

are too busy with their walkman phones to be bothered with anything constructive, the K850i is an atrocious phone, I've had sagem phones that offer better build quality....

Posted by wing_0

On 2008-08-23 12:54:59, fatreg wrote:
Hang on hang on....

am I reading this right!?

120fps in XVGA!?

So that's 1024*768 in pure 120fps video? oooooh.....

Even Sonys' H50 only does 30fps at 640*480

methinks some manufacturers have got to up the ante......

Nudge nudge wink wink Nokia......

are too busy with their walkman phones to be bothered with anything constructive, the K850i is an atrocious phone, I've had sagem phones that offer better build quality....



Nope, I'm afraid you're not reading it right, fatreg, it clearly says "QVGA" in the first post. I'm afraid that the CPU and the battery could find it hard to cope with a resolution such as XVGA.

As for QVGA vs NightBlade: I generally think QVGA is right, maybe except the stricter mods argument. While "feeling sorry for NB" is merely a slight joking pinch, not an attack of any sort, I've seen forums so strict that they'd warn you for something like that. Luckily, Esato is not such a place.

@NB: I don't actually find these "novels" as you call them annoying, they can be pretty useful while choosing a phone.

[ This Message was edited by: wing_0 on 2008-08-23 12:06 ]

Posted by razec
You guys really think that this phone has much better specs than C905 as i see it the only thing that this phone has to brag over the C905 was the better video recording. everything about the platform's flexibility and functionality is still questionable we all know that and since this is a non-Os phone it supports java applications, i wonder how can this beat C905's powerful a200 platform esp. that java applications have some issues dealing with touchscreen interfaces

[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2008-08-23 12:09 ]

Posted by Mizzle
ISO up to 1600 in a cameraphone? Nice, that'll give you some very noisy pictures on that tiny camera sensor.

Anyway, I'd still prefer C905 over this any day because it lacks a keypad.

Other than that, it looks good. Let's just hope LG won't put an awfully slow and sluggish UI in this, and that they don't mess up with the GPS and wifi, as it would kill what seems to be a decent phone.

[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2008-08-23 12:20 ]

Posted by Bonovox
Problem is with the claim of full VGA video on phones is its just not the case. I have had Nokia phones with so called VGA recording and it was really grainy on pc screen. Think their fooling us. I would also not just go for the SonyEricsson cos of track id just does not bother me. I would go for it cos i prefer their brand and their quailty. Every review i have read of LG touch screen phones have complained of usability issues. Not long ago alot of SE phones i thought were poor but recently i think their improving again. I would choose SE over LG despite LG's improvements and specs. I would also choose Nokia over LG cos i have tried LG and im not fond of them.

Posted by Mizzle
Bonovox,

You do realize what VGA is, right? It has nothing to do with the quality, merely the resolution, and that is indeed VGA, so you shouldn't go there.

What you're saying is the exact same as saying a 5 mp cam phone is better than a 3 mp cam phone.

Posted by razec

On 2008-08-23 13:15:32, Mizzle wrote:
ISO up to 1600 in a cameraphone? Nice, that'll give you some very noisy pictures on that tiny camera sensor.

Anyway, I'd still prefer C905 over this any day because it lacks a keypad.

Other than that, it looks good. Let's just hope LG won't put an awfully slow and sluggish UI in this, and that they don't mess up with the GPS and wifi, as it would kill what seems to be a decent phone.

[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2008-08-23 12:20 ]


All CMOS based camphones produces noisy pics from ISO 200 and above. they should have used CCD instead if they are aiming to give users the real benefit of ISO1600. in fact even a S700 produces images with an ISO sensitivity of 2000 i had a chance to compare it with my old W800 shot at ISO 800 and believe it or not the noise and graininess is much worse on my W800.

also I hate the fact that LG ditches the ATi CPu on their flagship phones. they used it on LG Prada but was withdrawn with Viewty. and given LG's lack of experience with Java Platform i'm pretty sure the beauty of it's flashy UI will slowly fade until user will find the phone useless functionality wise.

Posted by Mizzle
razec that's not true either. CMOS is better than CCD these days, and the majority of dslr cameras are based on CMOS sensors as well.

Posted by razec

On 2008-08-23 13:31:30, Mizzle wrote:
razec that's not true either. CMOS is better than CCD these days, and the majority of dslr cameras are based on CMOS sensors as well.



no i'm pointing out at tiny CMOS chips inside camphones not the large APS type matrices on dslrs

anyway, upon reading some more news, i notice that this phone lacks something: DLNA?
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