Posted by Guto_ViP
On 2008-06-20 23:49:31, norbi_nw wrote:
VGA recording, Optical zoom, 3D acceleration, Dolby chip (for 5.1 audio - it's in development right as we speek), and powerful CPU with decent amount of RAM + OLED display, good sensor+lens AND a good platform makes perfect phone
... IMO ^_^
EDIT: don't forget the video projector (japs already released first phone with projector, small and cool)
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I hope this is not only a Dream.....
Posted by Adil786uk
On 2008-06-20 23:49:31, norbi_nw wrote:
VGA recording, Optical zoom, 3D acceleration, Dolby chip (for 5.1 audio - it's in development right as we speek), and powerful CPU with decent amount of RAM + OLED display, good sensor+lens AND a good platform makes perfect phone
... IMO ^_^
EDIT: don't forget the video projector (japs already released first phone with projector, small and cool)
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You mean 720p recording right?
Posted by mode
Here's a data summary of a photo taken from a C905
Posted by se_dude
i thought focal length was 5.9 mm
Posted by AbuBasim
On 2008-06-20 19:19:09, Sony α wrote:
So to summarise, as the C905 uses a larger (8MP) Sensor - along with Xenon Flash - and uses a HSUPA radio - realise that you are asking for a handset much more the size of the SO905iCS, which clocks in at roughly 24mm.
When you say larger sensor - are you refering only to the higher resolution or do you have the specs for the sensor used and know the size of it, i.e. 1/2.5", 1/2.8" etc?
Since it's focal length is 6mm, the same as in my i-mobile 902, I bet that the sensor is of the same size: 1/2.5". A larger sensor would mean that the lens has a wide angle and that doesn't seem to be the case judging the sample shots we've seen so far.
Posted by tranced
On 2008-06-21 06:59:21, se_dude wrote:
i thought focal length was 5.9 mm
btw,
wont increase the dpi? they should...
Posted by razec
On 2008-06-21 07:24:49, tranced wrote:
On 2008-06-21 06:59:21, se_dude wrote:
i thought focal length was 5.9 mm
btw,
wont increase the dpi? they should...
Sony DSC-Cameras also uses 72dpis just like SE C-S . i can't deem much point for a DPI increase. in nokia phones like N82 and N95, the output images have 300DPI but i can't tell the difference between my 72-DPI Sony Digicam with resolution set at 5megapixels.
maybe abubasim could explain something about this
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Posted by AbuBasim
On 2008-06-21 10:41:14, razec wrote:
Sony DSC-Cameras also uses 72dpis just like SE C-S . i can't deem much point for a DPI increase. in nokia phones like N82 and N95, the output images have 300DPI but i can't tell the difference between my 72-DPI Sony Digicam with resolution set at 5megapixels.
maybe abubasim could explain something about this
300 dpi makes it perfect for borderless prints on 8x10 photo paper, or A4 with border.
In reality the dpi in a JPEG has almost no meaning apart from suggesting a print size. It has no meaning what so ever on the actual contents of the photo.
Posted by Mizzle
On 2008-06-21 07:24:49, tranced wrote:
On 2008-06-21 06:59:21, se_dude wrote:
i thought focal length was 5.9 mm
btw,
wont increase the dpi? they should...
It is 5.9 mm, and Windows' file viewer rounded it up.
Why should they increase the DPI? There's absolutely no reason to do so as long as you're not printing anything, and when you are printing, you'll usually choose a size to print the photo in, and the DPI will automatically be adjusted by the application used for printing the photo - even Windows.
Posted by Sony α
@Abu
My implication, that the C905 has a larger sensor is derived from Sony Ericsson's announcement - which makes this point.
However, having seen that the C905 uses a 5.91mm F/2.8 lens - meaning a 1/2.5" sensor. The focal equivalent to 35mm...
My previous post explaining the girth of the handset, takes its pointers from the Official announcement.
Posted by Sator1973
Aargh, it still has a tiny lens! A bigger lens would make the size of the phone more reasonable, and probably also the extra amount of MP's. SE would have better improved their 5 MP's with a bigger lens. The results could be a lot better than with just adding pixels and improving software.
I guess a phone camera will always be a snapshot camera.
Posted by plankgatan
C905 is my very next phone, have never before seen this quality by a cell phone
owns....someone knows when its comes ??? (Q3 or Q4 ?? )
http://img.phonedaily.com/img/news_hk/5627/a05_original.jpg
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Posted by masada1971
OMG..great sharpness and colors!!bye bye N82,Goodday c-905!!!
Posted by naveedaziz83
off topic:
p5 and beibei have been officially cancelled (gsmarena)
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_[....]ancelled_for_real-news-530.php
EDIT: opss..didnt c there is already a topic opened on this hehe sorry
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Posted by eztoril
Hello,
I currently own a 2-year old K800, which I am quite happy with.
However, C905 seems to be perfect successor in almost every aspect. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be any Music Quick Play button on the side of the phone (as my current phone) or does the Play button next to the camera shutter button work as a Music Play button as well?
Does anyone know?
Thanks in advance!
BR Martin
Posted by naveedaziz83
@eztoril
as far as i know, hearing from other ppl and reading reviews, that is NOT a music play/pause button.
it is used to take a look at the recent pic or play the video recorded
Posted by mode
Well, I'm quite relieved with the specs (because it's about friggin' time) and the early photo quality taken by the phone from MobilMania.cz. But of course, they'd screw the design up and not make it a device for the gods. The back part is fine, just the front. It's a cameraphone for God's sake so why couldn't they make a dual frontage for it reminiscent of a digital camera like what they did with the S700 which was very clever IMO. Even the front of F305 look more like a digital camera
All that aside, good effort SE, let's forge on.
Posted by NightBlade
Personally, I love the whole desing! It's perfect!
Posted by Slybeans
I think this'll be good
Posted by plankgatan
On 2008-06-21 22:45:53, eztoril wrote:
Hello,
I currently own a 2-year old K800, which I am quite happy with.
However, C905 seems to be perfect successor in almost every aspect. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be any Music Quick Play button on the side of the phone (as my current phone) or does the Play button next to the camera shutter button work as a Music Play button as well?
Does anyone know?
Thanks in advance!
BR Martin
took that button away on all Cybershoots phones from K850 and toward. (just a unnecessary button i think)
Posted by mobse
On 2008-06-22 00:04:48, NightBlade wrote:
Personally, I love the whole desing! It's perfect!
ditto
Both sides look good. Each and everyone surely imagines something that looks like a perfect combo for themselves, yet design is a complex thing and there's always the next gen of devices to keep the hopes alive.
Posted by marty mcfly
It's always going to be down to personal taste, but WOW do I love this phone! It's just what I've been looking for to replace my trusty K810i. I think the looks are spot on!
This message was posted from a K810i
Posted by jayhuh
This phone is so sexy.. Maybe when my contract ends and I have enough money to buy this beast
Posted by gordonowusu
On 2008-06-21 21:04:34, plankgatan wrote:
C905 is my very next phone, have never before seen this quality by a cell phone
owns....someone knows when its comes ??? (Q3 or Q4 ?? )
http://img.phonedaily.com/img/news_hk/5627/a05_original.jpg
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this pic is very nice and sharp. i hose the final version will not disappiont us just like k850 did.
Posted by >500
the pics we have seen so far have been very impressive.
and to those saying things like, 'i hope the final version will not dissapoint us like the k850'......
........ think about it, do you really think the quality will drop in the final release? I highly doubt it.
if anything, it can only get better... but if it stayed like this, id be happy. again, they are impressive...
Posted by shyam335
Its impressive because the extra mega pixels are doing the work.
I still don't see much improvement in 100% crops.
For an average person it might suffice as chances of viewing at full resolution are slim to none.
There is loss of details evident in landscape pics.I'm guessing a lot of post processing is done.
Posted by se_dude
if you compare the pics to a standalone 8 mp ca, its obviosu that details willbe lost...This phone packs in 8 megapixels,wifi,gps all into aisngle 18 mm package...so its quite obvious that the quality would be miles behind that of any DSLR out there..but the 100% crops have great detail IMO..a bit noisy.but i expect the noise to be done with in the latter release...
Posted by shyam335
It cannot compete with a low end slim cam,let alone a proper compact or dslr.
I was pointing out absolute quality has not improved comparing to its predecessors.
Posted by mediar
Wait a minute. This is phone with camera, not camera with phone functions. You can't expect proffesional camera ( like Fujifilm Finepix S9000 ) in one mobile phone. It don't have even good optics ( plastic lens ). You should make the difference...
Posted by Sony α
@Mediar
Where might your proof lie, that it uses a plastic lens?
Posted by plankgatan
plastic lens ??? he he...yeh sure.....its glass bäng-pelle.
Posted by jms2367
couldn't be plastic
Posted by daviep
i've got both a k800 and k850.the k800 is good for just point and shooting photos,the k850 needs to have the settings adjusted most times to produce good photos.
i hope the c905 is like the k800,open lens cover,point and shoot=good photo
Posted by Sony α
Haha, plastic lens!
However, unless you are talking Polycarbonates, or Polyurethanes, both of which while are effective in eyeglasses, would be the worst for camera optics, due to the high chromatic abberation (Purple fringing)!
Posted by AbuBasim
On 2008-06-22 13:25:28, Sony α wrote:
Haha, plastic lens!
However, unless you are talking Polycarbonates, or Polyurethanes, both of which while are effective in eyeglasses, would be the worst for camera optics, due to the high chromatic abberation (Purple fringing)!
"Purple fringing"... Now, where did I hear that mentioned before...?
Posted by jepherberich
On 2008-06-20 17:33:44, Aeronautico wrote:
Here it is (from http://developer.sonyericsson[....]s/phonegallery/c905/p_c905.jsp ):
Radio Bands:
C905 UMTS/HSDPA 2100, GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
C905a UMTS/HSDPA 850/1900/2100, GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
C905c EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
So it's Chinese version that lacks the video call camera. Period.
I was just backing jepherberich up on his statement: everybody was busy murdering him while he was making sense! lol
On the torch issue, I just mentioned for I read a couple of posts of concern and nobody cleared it yet. No problem with me: it'd have been if it was missing.
I am still pis**d for the apparent lack of decent video recording (which I do use a lot) and for the (rather simple to add) flash-always-on option, also quite important in many daylight situations. I also missed the burst shooting mode I believe?
Thanks for posting this; the whitepaper is confusing in that it uses the name "C905" to refer to what apparently is the "C905c" and there's no clear-cut information anywhere either. You can't blame all these
fanboys (myself included) for being too passionate about the details! 
Personally I don't think I need "DVD-quality recording" on a camera, much less on a camera on a phone. I still feel like the baseline should be at least YouTube "high quality", i.e., 640x480 @ 30fps. Then again it's already difficult enough to repurpose a still picture lens and use it for taking videos. The same principle applies on why even the highest-end video cameras don't take still photos that stack up against DSLR's
Posted by masada1971
On 2008-06-22 14:10:43, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2008-06-22 13:25:28, Sony α wrote:
Haha, plastic lens!
However, unless you are talking Polycarbonates, or Polyurethanes, both of which while are effective in eyeglasses, would be the worst for camera optics, due to the high chromatic abberation (Purple fringing)!
"Purple fringing"... Now, where did I hear that mentioned before...?
Posted by Sony α
@Masada
Yup, with the K850i for sure!
Posted by mediar
...Fujifilm Finepix S5700 has plastic lens and it's heavy 307g ( I have it ).
Fujifilm Finepix S9500 has glass lens, that's why it's heavy 750g.
SE C905 is 136 g. So where can be the glass lens??? Just think. The glass is much more heavy than the plastic.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t8673t6447501747/
Posted by AbuBasim
On 2008-06-22 14:31:27, mediar wrote:
...Fujifilm Finepix S5700 has plastic lens and it's heavy 307g ( I have it ).
Fujifilm Finepix S9500 has glass lens, that's why it's heavy 750g.
SE C905 is 136 g. So where can be the glass lens??? Just think. The glass is much more heavy than the plastic.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t8673t6447501747/
The size of the lens in a camera phone is probably less than 1g, no matter the material.
Posted by mediar
You are not right. You should read some books about this.
However lets stop this.
Posted by xell
But you can't by any means compare the size of the Finepix' lens with that of a mobile phone.
Posted by AbuBasim
On 2008-06-22 14:54:58, mediar wrote:
You are not right. You should read some books about this.
However lets stop this.
Stop now so you think you got the final word?
And how heavy would you think a camera phone lens, less than 5mm in diameter would be??? We're not talking uranium here but plastic and glass!
Posted by shyam335
OT: S5700 has plastic lens?
Posted by mediar
Yes...S5000 has plastic lens too.
Posted by darknoob
guys,
What do you want to know about c905? I'm gonna check it...
Posted by masada1971
On 2008-06-22 16:51:09, darknoob wrote:
guys,
What do you want to know about c905? I'm gonna check it...
Posted by Sony α
@Abu
'And how heavy would you think a camera phone lens, less than 5mm in diameter would be??? We're not talking uranium here but plastic and glass!'
lol - loved that comment, added some good humour lol! But Abu, you make a good point in regards to the optics used, i'm very interested to see how the abberation fares when a high contrast edge is composed in the photo...
Posted by Aeronautico
On 2008-06-22 16:51:09, darknoob wrote:
guys,
What do you want to know about c905? I'm gonna check it...
Alright.
Video recording resolution & frame rate (again just in case)
Video call camera (we know it's there)
Torch light (it should be there)
"Always on" option in flash mode
"Burst"/"continuos" in shoot mode
Thanks.
Posted by Zuko
its funny to see people here comparing phones to professional cameras.
Sample pictures from C905 are perfect for a camera-phone!
I rarely see pictures in full size.