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Apple unveils the 3G iPhone

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Posted by RyaN
It will affect warranty but only if you give it back in a jailbroken state. It's easy to JB using Quickpwn and just as easy to restore in to a non-jb state with itunes


Posted by scouser_75
Whilst I'm awaiting the return of my iPhone, a question about SMS's...

Do you guys have an indicator to show how many characters you have used or have left?

If memory serves me right, from the minimal use I had from my iPhone, there wasn't a character indicator of any sort on SMS's.

PS Currently my iPhone is in Italy awaiting repair or replacement. So hopefully will have it back some time next week

Posted by masseur
nope, no character indicator, nor is there a message count either, so you can't be sure how many texts will be sent from your message

thats one thing I do miss but then I tend to be brief anyway

Posted by RyaN
Again this is something that bitesms can do that the stock text app cant



Posted by masseur
@RyaN, where on there is it showing the character count? I don't see it?

when you get past more than 160 characters, does this also warn or show you that you will be sending more than 1 text?

Posted by RyaN
That little indicator at the bottom left has like a clock type indicator that goes round as you type and the number within the circle is the number of sms's in that text

Posted by masseur
ah! I see it now. thanks.

Posted by scouser_75
I'm assuming this is only available on jalibroken phones?

Posted by RyaN
Yup indeed. Unfortunately it's one of those useful features that Apple doesnt feel should be implemented in their firmware

Posted by scouser_75
in which case, thank goodness for jailbreaking

Posted by NoKia
irealsms can do all that and even do it landscape mode







[ This Message was edited by: NoKia on 2008-10-28 13:45 ]

Posted by scouser_75
Even better.

Do these apps have their own SMS icon? Or do they work via the iPhones official SMS app?

Posted by NoKia
they have their own icon, though you can always replace it with the default sms icon if you wish to

Posted by RyaN
Yeah, irealsms takes it back to the old skool! I like the fact it has landscape support... i might actually give it a try. Did you pay for your copy?

Posted by NoKia
yeah i paid for, i was really impressed
its still the only app i have ever paid for

i missed having delivery notifications till i got it

[ This Message was edited by: NoKia on 2008-10-28 14:03 ]

Posted by scouser_75
so this one comes via App Store and not Cydia?


Posted by RyaN
How quickly does the app update after you've paid for it etc... How does it work?

@scouser, no it's via Cydia but it's a paid-for app

Posted by scouser_75
yup. lazy me didn't bother to google it straight away.

But realised when I did!

Posted by NoKia
after u paid for it and you enter the reg code, you just update it thru cydia like the other apps, its probably gone thru like 4 updates since i got it, and a major is coming soon

Posted by RyaN
Ah cool, like you this is one of the only apps i've considered worth my money tbh...well and Swirly, but couldnt be bothered with that in the end

How much does it £££?

Also i meant to ask what font are you using?

Posted by scouser_75
5 euro's

Posted by RyaN
ah sweet, it's not too bad then. Might just have to puuurchase that one

cheers

Did you get a case sorted for yours in the end scouser?

Posted by scouser_75
nope. still waiting for the phone to be returned.

but the incase slider looks like the one to get.

Posted by RyaN
Yeah i'm looking at getting that one too! Not sure on the black or the white though. ATM i've got a Contour Flick in black, but i want something that gives a bit more protection to the bottom of the phone.

Posted by scouser_75
white!!! No way dude. It has to be black.

Although blue would be cool if available! I like the iskin revo 2 in blue.

Posted by RyaN
Yeah you're right, gotta be black really. Was just thinking of something different looking (and that i secretly wish i had the white 16gb iphone)

Those revo skins look sweet... would just worry about the protection if it was dropped. I like the feel of a harder case too


Posted by NoKia
the font i will have to check when i get on my pc, i cant remember off head right now
yeah i was going to try swirly, but that business of putting the simcard in another phone before calling O2 just seemed longggg


Posted by RyaN
Oh right was the font not applied through winterboard then?

Yeah exactly why i couldnt be bothered with swirly, MMS really isnt that important to me... and having to go on the o2 site to check a received MMS isnt really a problem on the iphone!

I'm quite happy with being able to send the odd quick pic via email too

Posted by NoKia
nah i actually copied the font file to the iphone file system before i realised i could actually apply it thru winterboard, silly i know

Posted by RyaN
lol well i guess it does the same thing essentially, but obviously easier to change it via the phone with Winterboard.

What theme you using atm then? I'm struggling to find one i like atm... using bluebird currently


Posted by NoKia
was struggling to stick with one from winterboard but found this one another forum that i am currently using, called NixiTubeDark



and i messed around with it and to create another similar one so i switch btw the 2




Posted by RyaN
Nice! Like them both... I like putting my own touch on the themes as well What annoys me is most of the themes through Cydia have loads of icons missing and it just ruins the theme straight away

Can i just ask you something, how do you get the smegging weather widget to work?!! I've installed wbApp and applied it in winterboard and selected my location within wbApp but it never finds my locale, it just says 'loading'

Posted by RyaN
I got it to work, well sort of.... Which options did you select to get the description of the weather rather than the location? And how do you get the little borders around the writing and weather symbol? cheers

Posted by NoKia
ok so you got it working?

the display style is defined in the configure.js file which is in the private folder of the weatherwidget theme
the line
var stylesheetWall='myopia' determines the display style

* originalBubble (which places a chiclet like bubble with the weather info inside)
* split (this the one i am using where you get the local and temp on the left and the current weather icon on the right)
* myopia ( the current weather icon with the temp and locale next to it)
* iconOnly (displays the current weather as an icon only)
* oneLine (displays all info in one line)

inside the styesheets folder is the config file for each display stlye, the little dark borders come from editting the relevevant config file

like
#weatherIcon{
height:36px;
width:36px;
float:right;
padding: 1px 10px 1px 10px;
margin: 0 20px 0 10px;
-webkit-border-radius:5px;
border-style:solid;
border-width:2px;
border-color: rgba(79,79,79,1.0);
}

the lines

border-style:solid;
border-width:2px;
border-color: rgba(79,79,79,1.0);

these set the border widths and colour, got mpst of the info from here

http://mytriniphone.com/blog/[....]e-springboard/page-1/post-284/

missing icons is very annoying in themes, tho i managed to find a template icon fr the above themes so i could make the ones i needed
from the template

[ This Message was edited by: NoKia on 2008-10-28 20:55 ]

Posted by RyaN
Cheers for the info on this mate, had a little play with it last night and have put borders round them now! Looks cool. Can see me spending a while playing around with this!

One thing though, you've got the description on the split left, whereas i've just got my locale which i dont want. I'd rather it say 'partly sunny' etc. What do you need to ammend to get it to say that?

Posted by Boinng
Absolutely in love with this phone. It's stunning.

I can already forgive it for anything, but here's my niggle list so far:



I'm so impressed with pretty much every other aspect of it, I can happily live with all of the above and more - which surprises me considering I always thought of myself as one of these "power users" that would be driven mad by something so simple as the iPhone... but of course, it's really not simple at all, it's an incredibly complex and well thought out, well engineered, well designed device that just gets it 99% right first time.

Ever heard of Haslemere? It's a relatively small town in the south of england, I happened to pass it on the train last night when my wife texted to see where I was. On the iPhone (to which I'd never mentioned Haslemere before) I one-thumbed something like "i jydr oasswd hssknwtw" - I'm really not sure I typed a single letter right. I was already reaching for the delete key when I realised that "I just passed Haslemere" (complete with capitalisation) was sat there on the screen. Bloody brilliant.

Posted by masseur
re "i jydr oasswd hssknwtw" ! I know exactly what you mean, and the thing is it takes some getting used to the iphone getting it right 99.999% of the time as when you start with it you feel you have to keep correcting the words yourself.

btw, sometimes you actually want the word you typed and not the suggested word which would get replaced in when you press space. Just touch your word before pressing space and it will keep your word and next time it won't try to replace your word either. (Not sure if you found this out yet)

anyway, welcome to the club!

you have managed to express my sentiments about the iPhone very well

enjoy!

Posted by NoKia

On 2008-10-29 10:01:14, RyaN wrote:
Cheers for the info on this mate, had a little play with it last night and have put borders round them now! Looks cool. Can see me spending a while playing around with this!

One thing though, you've got the description on the split left, whereas i've just got my locale which i dont want. I'd rather it say 'partly sunny' etc. What do you need to ammend to get it to say that?


no problem, to get the description and not the locale you just edit the city to display none and set desc, here is a copy of what my stlyesheet config looks like

#ClockContainer{
position:absolute;
margin-top:-95px;
margin-left:-96px;
}
#WeatherContainer{
opacity:0.85;
margin-top:0px;
margin-left:-65px;
width:100%;
background-color:#aaa;
color:white;
}
#TextContainer, #weatherIcon{
background-color: rgba(0,0,0,0.37);
-webkit-border-radius:5px;
border-style:solid;
border-width:2px;
border-color: rgba(79,79,79,1.0);
opacity:1;
}
#TextContainer{
float:left;
padding: 5px 5px 5px 10px;
margin: 0 10px 0 -25px;
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;
text-shadow: rgba(0,0,0,0.7) 0 0 2px;
}

#TextContainer p{
padding:0;
margin:0;
display:inline;
}

#desc{
font-size:12px;
text-transform:capitalize;
}
#city{
display:none;
}


#weatherIcon{
height:36px;
width:36px;
float:right;
padding: 1px 10px 1px 10px;
margin: 0 20px 0 10px;
-webkit-border-radius:5px;
border-style:solid;
border-width:2px;
border-color: rgba(79,79,79,1.0);
}

Posted by NoKia
does anyone know of a UK seller that sells the incase slider for 3g?

Posted by RyaN
cheers again Nokia... i shall be ammending that later. It's just my town name is pretty long and it looks a bit ugly on the springboard lol

As for the incase slider, Apple Store UK have em... i wanna go in for one soon too. Seen some pretty ok looking fake ones on ebay for £4.99... but i'd never trust the quality of them.

btw Did you find out what that font was that you're using? Also could you tell me how you edited it yourself by sshing in? I've applied a font via winterboard and it only seems to change the icon label etc and not the system fonts

Posted by Boinng

On 2008-10-29 13:09:28, masseur wrote:
btw, sometimes you actually want the word you typed and not the suggested word which would get replaced in when you press space. Just touch your word before pressing space and it will keep your word and next time it won't try to replace your word either. (Not sure if you found this out yet)

anyway, welcome to the club!


Thanks! Yep, I worked out the trick with the word suggestions - it seemed a little unintuitive at first, but actually Apple's approach really makes a lot more sense once you're used to it, letting you clatter on with your bad typing uninterrupted except for those rare moments when you actually meant to type gibberish!

I'm already finding typing on this to be a lot easier/more accurate than on my old Tytn II, bizarrely, considering that had a "proper" keyboard. Apart from the fact I don't have to slide anything out or use two hands, the predictiveness is actually improving my accuracy and reducing the number of times I'd have had to go back and change things on the Tytn II. I often found with that keyboard that it would either not register certain keypresses, or register them twice, which really lost any advantage it might have had in being a hardware keyboard. I know it (or rather WM) would suggest words too, but it was always a bit slow and fiddly, and unlike the iPhone misspelling something means the correct suggestion gets lost rather than used.

Using the iPhone keyboard reminds me more of happier days with the M600i - not a great phone in many other ways, but great for text with that clever keyboard and a similar degree of predictiveness on top.

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-10-29 13:19 ]

Posted by NoKia
great!, i work a few minutes away from regent street so i will pop in to buy the case

yeah the font i use is helvetica and helvetica bold

uploaded here https://www.yousendit.com/download/Y2ovYURLU1BqV0N4dnc9PQ


to get them on the iphone i followed these instructions


Step 1: Install OpenSSH from Cydia (found easily in featured apps)

Step 2: Restart iPhone

Step 3: Use WinSCP to connect to the iPhone via your IP address Username:root Password: alpine

Step 4: Download the file and extract it to your desktop

Step 5: Navigate to the following folders on your iPhone using WinSCP and rename the following files, adding .bak at the end [this is just a precautionary measure, you don't ever wanna lose your original files]

/System/Library/Fonts/Cache/Helvetica.ttf

/System/Library/Fonts/Cache/HelveticaBold.ttf

copy the font files in the link to these folders, make sure each file goes where it belongs.

Step 6: Restart iPhone

Step 7: Enjoy!

i have found that for tasks like this iFunbox http://www.i-funbox.com/ is an easier file manager that SSH, you dont need a wifi connection, just plug in the usb and you're good to go! so if you have that you can use in place of SSH(just dont ever use it to copy music to the ipod part of the iphone)



[ This Message was edited by: NoKia on 2008-10-29 13:24 ]

Posted by RyaN
Cheers buddy!

Personally i dont mind using SSH, i'm never x-ferring huge files across and i only fiddle with stuff at home. Will give that proggy a try though... the easier the better!

What colour slider are you going for? Post some piccies of it on the iphone when you get it

Posted by NoKia
i was hoping to get it in gun metal, but they only had white and black colours

i dont know what to do now, maybe i will have to order it from the states

[ This Message was edited by: NoKia on 2008-10-29 21:32 ]

Posted by spikeyjac
Gunmetal?

Posted by RyaN
afaik they dont do it in gunmetal, just glossy white, matte black and pink. And thats coming from the incase US site

Posted by NoKia
saw gunmetal on the apple website
http://store.apple.com/us/pro[....]A5Ng&mco=MTg5NTYzMA&s=topRated

and a few US ebay sellers carry it, i think i saw a few earlier

[ This Message was edited by: NoKia on 2008-10-29 22:58 ]

Posted by RyaN
yeah thats the matte black one, think its just the picture tbh lol http://goincase.com/products/detail/slider-case-cl59055

Saw an Incase on ebay but they were in different colours like blue and red and they were the ones for £4.99 so must be fake as the official site only sells black, white and pink


Posted by NoKia
yeah thats what i thought but some of the reviewers clearly refered to it as different from the matt black,
http://www.ilounge.com/index.[....]ase-slider-case-for-iphone-3g/



Posted by RyaN
yeah you're right there's definitely a difference, it seems like the US Apple Store sells the Gunmetal one but the UK store doesn't

http://store.apple.com/uk/pro[....]node=MTY1NDA0NA&mco=MTcyOTEzMg
http://www.store.apple.com/us[....]node=MTY1NDA0NA&mco=MTg5OTcxMw

Hmm.

Don't know which i prefer now!

How much are the ones you've seen on shebay?

edit, oh Apple US do sell the black one as well

[ This Message was edited by: RyaN on 2008-10-29 23:38 ]


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