Posted by scouser_75
Yup. Shipping is what I also wondered about. I doubt there's a snow balls chance in hell they'd ship to the UK... or any other conutry that is burdened with specific provider deals.
But no harm in trying
EDIT: Having thought about it a bit, Apple are a little too smart to allow people to order from HK. So, I reckon the phone may ONLY be activated using iTunes HONG KONG.
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Posted by masseur
... and from next week it will be available in Russia too!
Posted by bavlondon2
So finally you canlegally buy them unlocked. Nice!!!
Posted by scouser_75
Lads, I've asked a similar questio before regarding "Today Screen" on the iPhone. Some people post links to a Today Screen BUT only when the iPhone was locked.
But is there any software on App Store that changes the iPhones MAIN screen to something like the screen on Windows Mobiles?
The iPhone's Home screen I think is rubbish if you are a busy person who needs to have quick access to your calendar or to-do list... or in terms of organising all your programmes according to Type)
And before any smart alec says "why not just buy a windows mobile, I already have one
EDIT: Someone else who agrees with my comments http://www.informationweek.co[....]s/2008/09/apple_patent_sh.html
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Posted by masseur
lol, I was just reading the macrumours page linked to from that article when I saw your post appear!
can't say I've seen anything in the app store and I just did a quick couple of searches with obvious keywords
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Posted by scouser_75
LOL! Only thing is that the patented screen still doesn't have any calendar entries or to-do list!!!
Oh, I'm so torn about whether to get an iPhone or not!!!!
Masseur, you've had both a Windows mobile and iPhone. So, if the iPhone was to get a PROPER Today screen which phone would you recommend?
Oh, and does the iPhone have a Word viewer?
Posted by masseur
the thing is, I've always got both so its hard for me to answer.
I do alot of browsing etc and the iPhone is heaps better for that. I've also moved all my music and music videos over to the iPhone.
so for me, the iPhone is a great handheld browsing/entertainment phone (though I wish it had FM radio too), while the WM is used much more for business situtaions in the way that you want
while the GPS in the iPhone is excellent, its held back by having only google maps to experience it, and while that it quite good really, having tomtom 7 on my WM is much better for those times when I haven't got my dedicated Garmin with me
Not sure I can get by without both to be honest!
Posted by scouser_75
Oh man! LOL!! Masseur, you're not helping
I may still just wait for the i8510 to come out before deciding!!
Posted by SloopJohnB
I remember there used to be an app on installer (jailbroken iphone) that changed the lock screen adding cal, sms and etc to it. I can´t remember its name now but i´ll get back to u later.
If you wanna view word files on the iphone I recommend u get ´air sharing´ from the app store. It supports many kinds of files, u can create folders and etc, plus it turns your iphone into a wi-fi flashdrive meaning u can use it to keep stuff or tranfer from one pc to another (but u gotta have wi-fi). The app can open word and pdf files with large picts and charts and viewing them with multi-touch is the better experience u´ll find out there since u can scroll, zoom and move the file all at the same time.
About the tomtom part, a solution is coming to the iphone in the coming time from the app store, so i´ve read. Tomtom apparently already have its app working on the iphone, it just needs to sort out some legal details with apple.
good luck
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Posted by RyaN
^^ yeah the app you're referring to is Intelliscreen (i think) and it's shareware. Never used it myself, but lots of people swear by it
EDIT: a la...
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Posted by scouser_75
Yup. Seen that app before. Pretty good but only thing is you can't have it as your home screen, which is what I want so you can access individual calendar entries, to-do's, emails, txts etc.
Posted by masseur
IPhone 2.2: Safari Redesign, Possible Cut and Paste
Posted by bavlondon2
Looks exciting.
Posted by Trev1982
sorry i cant find the iphone thread, i have a problem, my friends iphone been working flawlessly for ages, but this morning the pc dont recongise it when plugged in via usb, having to charge through the 360 atm, but it worked perfect last night all we have done is turn the pc off.
Posted by themarques
On 2008-09-28 14:33:24, Trev1982 wrote:
sorry i cant find the iphone thread, i have a problem, my friends iphone been working flawlessly for ages, but this morning the pc dont recongise it when plugged in via usb, having to charge through the 360 atm, but it worked perfect last night all we have done is turn the pc off.
Maybe its the PC's USB port that is no longer working? have you tested something else to see if the port is working? And I know it sounds dumb but try and force shutdown the iphone and replug it in. Do the same to the PC
Posted by scouser_75
Who here has Jailbroken their iPhone? And how easy did you find it?
I'm on the verge lads. I'm on the verge
Posted by masseur
jailbreaking the original was dead easy, haven't tried it on the 3g as it no longer seems neccessary as there is so much available in the app store
stop procrastinating and just get it
Once you've got it you'll probably wonder why the hell you waited so long!
Posted by TruffleHunterSnortBeast
I've jailbroken mine. Simple, just a bit of nailbiting while I was waiting
Posted by scouser_75
Hmmmmm! I might go have a play with it in my local O2 shop. See how I feel. Really did not want another touch screen phone, so will see if I am converted after a touchy feely session
1 more quick question boys (to which I may already know the answer!)... If I were to go for the £30pm option but didn't require the 125 txt, would O2 compensate the texts for minutes?
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Posted by Scoobyd
My contract is up with Vodafone in a few weeks time and I'm seriously considering getting the 3G iPhone next. Been happy with my N95 8GB but everyone I know that has got the iPhone has raved on and on about it so I'm curious to experience what all the fuss is about!
My main issue with this though is that it would mean me leaving Vodafone who I've been with for as long as I can remember now and signing up to a new contract with O2. I've always been happy with Voda so am a bit concerned at the thought of tying into a new provider.
For those that have signed up to O2 to get the iPhone how have you found the network? Any issues or complaints?
Posted by masseur
I have to be honest and say that o2 is not my favourite in UK, nor even my second favourite
I'd suggest that if you want the iPhone experience without O2 you have two choices.
1. Get a 2g iPhone which is unlocked and use your vodafone sim
2. Get a 3g payg iPhone, buy a turbo sim thingy for a tenner and use your vodafone sim
Posted by scouser_75
Scooby, I'm in the same boat as you regarding current provider - only I've been with TMobile for 13 years.
I believe O2 have a 2 week timeline within which you can return the iPhone if you are unhappy - but you would have had to have bought it from an O2 store to get this option.
But do check first if you decide to buy. I know that companies change their minds with the wind!!!
Posted by scouser_75
On 2008-09-29 16:26:34, masseur wrote:
I have to be honest and say that o2 is not my favourite in UK, nor even my second favourite
I'd suggest that if you want the iPhone experience without O2 you have two choices.
1. Get a 2g iPhone which is unlocked and use your vodafone sim
2. Get a 3g payg iPhone, buy a turbo sim thingy for a tenner and use your vodafone sim
Masseur, I read that if you use another provider you lose options such as internet, email and visual v/m... and also you risk the chance of bricking the phone on software update. True? Or myth?
Posted by masseur
mostly nonesense. you won't lose internet or email capability but you may lose visual email if the network you choose to use doesn't support that
Posted by scouser_75
Cool. Masseur, another question if I may.
I know that the iPhone doesn't sync to-do lists or notes with Outlook. But do you know if it does with iCal? I did try to google this but only got people mentioning Outlook.
Also, are you currently in London? If so I may PM you soon.
Thanks
Posted by masseur
I am not a Mac user and so have no experience with iCal
I'm not in London this week
Posted by scouser_75
No worries dude, but you do now have a PM
Posted by Boinng
I've decided (and I can't imagine why anyone would be interested, but I'm going to tell you anyway) to get myself an Iphone in a few weeks time, when (a) it's my birthday, and (b) my current Tytn II contract is up.
Like others here I'll be leaving Vodafone and joining O2, which I'm not that crazy about - I've been with Voda for many years and never had a problem with them - but then again, I'm not a very demanding customer (I prefer to sort out my own technical problems so I don't use support too much) so frankly, as long as they provide a signal and send me the right bill, I'm happy. I hate 18 month contracts with a passion, but again, there's not much option there.
For years I've been using phones that are, at least in some ways, much more advanced than the Iphone - even my old P800 from 2002 combined a touchscreen with copy and paste, after all - but that said, none of them ever offered such a great user experience, and every time I pick up the Iphone in a shop I'm blown away by the ease and speed of the whole thing. My current Tytn II - once the apple of my eye - is left looking like a stunted throwback in comparison (although it, too, is better in other ways - I'll be keeping it for TomTom in any case).
With the Iphone I'll be inconvenienced by plenty of things - I won't be able to maintain my Exchange based tasks list for example, I'll have to use a silly Ipod cable to charge it at work rather than the sensible USB cable I have now (and no interaction between my work PC and Iphone unless I convince work to install Itunes, fat chance of that), I'll have to have a separate phone for TomTom and who knows what other sensible Windows Mobile features I'll miss from the old Tytn II... but at the end of the day, it's the magic that counts with any gadget, and the Iphone just has that magic in spades. Not been so buzzed about a phone in a long time, even though everybody else has got one already...
Posted by scouser_75
Boiing, I'm totally with you mate. I'm currently a Vario III user and absolutely love it apart from its size. It does though, with the use of additonal software, do a lot of the things the iPhone does. But the iPhone is far better looking, slimmer, and better overall for multimedia.
But like you I will be keeping the VIII it for tomtom
Although I did read somewhere that tomtom is on the horizon on iPhone
Also with you on the iPhone and work bollards. Oh well......
Posted by masseur
I was with voda for years and years in UK but they just wouldn't do sensible data rates which is the only reason I moved to tmob, so I know where you're coming from. Also they wouldn't do non vodafine live phones even for customers who'd been with them since way before vodafone live, but thats another story
as I've said recently, the iPhone is not everything for me and I still keep WM phones.. just sold my HTC touch diamond as I'll be getting a retail X1. Is there a reason why you can't keep you're TyTN II with vodafone sim (some sort of rolling month sim as I do with tmob) and get the iPhone?... or just buy the payg iPhone and have what you really want with tmob?
while I'm a big advocate of the USB/mini-usb cable, having an ipod/iphone cable is hardly an inconvenience... and do you really need permission from work to install itunes? do you not have admin privs on your work pc? and do you not have your own pc that you can install itunes onto anyway?
pre-iPhone the WM did perfectly well for me for my music/video needs but iPhone does it so much better that I just could no longer ignore the option any more... and also since mobile browsing is a major use also, iPhone does that so well too given its screen size and standard web page capabilities (except the well known flash etc!)
I reckon no matter what phone you use for what reason, we all like to be entertained and browse on a decent size screen and iPhone really does that so well... for now
Posted by londonlad123
Anyone here using a jailbroken 2G iPhone with the latest firmware? Encountered any issues?
I'm still on 1.1.2 or something not really been bothered to update it since I've been very happy with it for what it can do. But I'd like MS exchange supported and powerpoint viewer is useful too. Got a new iPod touch coming tomorrow, so can test it on there.
Need to find out how the new 2.0 software works on the old iPhone? And instructions to do it? Has everyone upgraded theirs?
Posted by Boinng
On 2008-09-29 17:34:24, masseur wrote:
I was with voda for years and years in UK but they just wouldn't do sensible data rates which is the only reason I moved to tmob, so I know where you're coming from. Also they wouldn't do non vodafine live phones even for customers who'd been with them since way before vodafone live, but thats another story
I think their data rates now are reasonable - basically for 27.50 all in, at the moment, I'm getting the same contract (complete with "unlimited" internet) as I'll get on the Iphone for £30, and that's on a 12 month contract rather than O2's 18 mth - but the difference doesn't bother me too much. In an ideal world I'd have a Vodafone Iphone, but hey - it's not an ideal world.
as I've said recently, the iPhone is not everything for me and I still keep WM phones.. just sold my HTC touch diamond as I'll be getting a retail X1. Is there a reason why you can't keep you're TyTN II with vodafone sim (some sort of rolling month sim as I do with tmob) and get the iPhone?... or just buy the payg iPhone and have what you really want with tmob?
I probably will just stick a PAYG sim in the Tytn II and keep it as a TomTom/emergency carphone, but that's not the point, for years I've been a one device person - one phone in my pocket which does everything I could wish for - and while the Tytn II I'm giving up was in many ways the ultimate example of that, the Iphone, well, isn't. Quite. It's not a swiss army knife, and I will have to keep the Tytn II around for TomTom and make sure that's in the car when I need it etc... whereas, as long as the Tytn II is my main phone, I always have my phone/email/TomTom/to-do list etc with me.
None of this is a reason not to get an Iphone, as evidenced by the fact I'm going to get an Iphone, I'm just really preparing myself for the fact that there's a tradeoff there. Better user experience, lesser useful features.
while I'm a big advocate of the USB/mini-usb cable, having an ipod/iphone cable is hardly an inconvenience... and do you really need permission from work to install itunes? do you not have admin privs on your work pc?
No, absolutely no admin privs, and I think you'll find that's the case for most people who don't actually work in IT! My PC is completely locked down, only our IT people are able to install any software, and since they have quite strict policies in force I doubt they'd allow Itunes on the network. Activesync has a clear business case, Itunes just doesn't have those credentials. The cable itself isn't a problem, but while you can find a mini-USB connection for charging in any office, the chances of finding an Ipod cable in an emergency are a lot slimmer..
and do you not have your own pc that you can install itunes onto anyway?
Yes, of course I do - the home PC's had Itunes installed for years for my wife's Ipod, and it has the cable ready too. But I don't spend seven hours of each day sat in front of it, and I'd rather have my fully charged Iphone in my hand at home, rather than syncing on the PC (yes, I know I should be able to charge it at work at least).
pre-iPhone the WM did perfectly well for me for my music/video needs but iPhone does it so much better that I just could no longer ignore the option any more... and also since mobile browsing is a major use also, iPhone does that so well too given its screen size and standard web page capabilities (except the well known flash etc!)
I reckon no matter what phone you use for what reason, we all like to be entertained and browse on a decent size screen and iPhone really does that so well... for now
I reckon no matter what phone you use for what reason, we all like to be entertained and browse on a decent size screen and iPhone really does that so well... for now
It does, and that's really the point - when I balance everything up, I just know I'm going to enjoy the Iphone a lot more, even with all its little disadvantages and quirks.
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Posted by scouser_75
In terms of price efficiency and customer service t-mobile IMHO wins everytime. It's because of this that I really dont want to move to any other provider.
Boiing, check out t-mobile's flext plans. Im certain they'll blow any of the voda plans out of the water
Posted by Boinng
On 2008-09-30 11:23:07, scouser_75 wrote:
In terms of price efficiency and customer service t-mobile IMHO wins everytime. It's because of this that I really dont want to move to any other provider.
Boiing, check out t-mobile's flext plans. Im certain they'll blow any of the voda plans out of the water
Two problems with T-Mobile:
1. Their coverage where I live (quite a rural area) is absolutely abysmal. I used them for a year and promised never to return.
2. I can't get an Iphone with them either.
Posted by scouser_75
1) I thought tmobile were tops in most locations. Where abouts are you Boinng?
2) Use a Turbo Sim on a PAYG iPhone
Posted by Boinng
On 2008-09-30 12:18:23, scouser_75 wrote:
1) I thought tmobile were tops in most locations. Where abouts are you Boinng?
On the Hampshire/West Sussex border, all small towns and villages, trust me - nobody uses Tmo here!
2) Use a Turbo Sim on a PAYG iPhone
£350 and then service on top! Forget that!
Posted by scouser_75
Boinng, trust me, I calculated this out.
If you are due an upgrade from your current provider, tell em you dont want a new phone but you want £10/15 off your monthly line rental. So, over the space of 12 month contract you'd save at least £120.
You can do the rest of the math
Posted by scouser_75
Lads, what's the most you'd pay for an OFFICIALLY unlocked iPhone?
I have one being offered to me for £550 - which seems waaaaaaaaaaaay too much considering I can get a PAYG and stick in a Turbosim
Posted by Boinng
Hmm - we're still talking £350 up front, with £230 still sunk in the phone alone when the year is up - a bit too rich for my blood, just as O2 intend. The O2 contract's my only option really, I'll just have to hope they don't give me any trouble.
EDIT - just saw your £550 offer - wouldn't touch that with a bargepole! Far too expensive, and I'd be highly suspicious of any unlocked 3G Iphone, let alone one claiming to be "official"!
If I was wanting to pay up front for one, I'd wait until the prices came down and there was an easy way to unlock it yourself (that's bound to happen soon). At the moment, all the prepay prices are silly, while the contract's are actually not that bad value.
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Posted by bavlondon2
Adobe Flash player for iPhone due 'soon' if Apple approves
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Adobe is nearly done with a version of its Flash Player for the iPhone the could be released 'in a very short time' if it passes Apple's App Store screening process, an Adobe official said this week.
Speaking at the Flash On The Beach (FOTB) conference in Brighton, Sr. Director of Engineering at Adobe Systems Paul Betlem was asked by an audience member for an update on Flash support for iPhone users.
Betlem reportedly responded by saying his team is "working on Flash on the iPhone" but given that the iPhone is a closed and closely guarded system, Apple will have final say over whether the application makes its way onto the App Store.
Should Apple approve the software, it would be available "in a very short time," Betlem added.
In March, Adobe chief executive Shantanu Narayen publicly confirmed that his engineers had begun work on a version of Flash for the iPhone. Three months later he said he was pleased with the ongoing progress. Therefore, the only new information to come from Betlem's comments is word that the first version of the software is nearly ready for submission to Apple.
Betlem offered no further details, leaving several unanswered questions , such as how the player would function within websites given Apple's current iPhone developer guidelines, or how it would prove useful in accessing Flash media as a standalone application.
Earlier this year, Apple chief executive Steve Jobs panned Flash on the iPhone, arguing that its fragmented architecture offered no middle ground suitable for use on his company's mobile products.
Specifically, he said Flash Lite "is not capable of being used with the web" because it doesn't support the same types of Flash media accessible by the traditional version of Flash player on the PC. On the otherhand, the version built for PC was dubbed a resource hog that "performs too slow to be useful" on the iPhone.
"There's this missing product in the middle," he said.
It remains to be seen whether Adobe's most recent efforts are suited to fill that gap.
Posted by smilerthe cheshirecat
FRING now available free on the app store....
http://www.fring.com/blog/?p=364
Apparently works with ipod touch too...
Posted by scouser_75
Well, I did what I said I would and went and played with the iPhone over the weekend.
And IMHO i felt that:
a) it had a great look to it and the touch screen was very responsive.
b) BUT texting with the qwerty keyboard was darned hard and I kept making mistake after mistake after....
c) In order to do something as simple as dial a number or turn on bluetooth you have to go through so many presses.
d) calendar entries and reminders where somewhat un-user friendly - especially if you had to access certain dates/appts quickly.
e) if i had a lot of apps installed i would have to scroll and look carefully to find ones i wanted. it would be great if apple had a folder option on the home screen rather than all apps bundled into one muddled mess; ie games, tools, business etc
f) no way have syncing to-do list
But having said all this I'm holding out hope that apple will fix some of these things and so I'm still going to get an iphone and trial it for a couple of weeks. And if after that time I dont like it I can return it.
Oh, and did I mention that the thing does look darned nice
Posted by RyaN
Yeah i understand your point about inputting a number, having to open up the phone app, then the keyboard tab...it takes a tad longer than just typing in the number straight away. With the regard to the texting - it gets better trust me! It just takes some getting used to, but the word correction is very good on it so if you just mis-type a letter, carry on typing and it'll correct the word at the end.
I can answer one of your concerns, cos this is one things thats keeps me on a jailbroken iphone, an application called Categories... i too couldn't stand having apps everywhere, and all different types jumbled up. This is a simple way of finding what you want pretty quickly, and keeps everything neat and organised in folders
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Posted by scouser_75
Thanks for that Ryan.
Can the icons you use for folders be changed to different ones? Or are the ones in your picture the only folder icons you can use?
As for typing on the keyboard - a lot of people have said exatly what you have, that it gets easier with time.
Posted by RyaN
absolutely, you can choose from loads of different incons that come in the package with Categories. Or you can change them yourself to any icon you want, as long as the icon is named the same as the folder
Apps like that really are a god-send to the iphone... stuff like that should really be implemented in to standardised firmware
Posted by scouser_75
Thanks again Ryan.
It's the little things, which in day to day life amount to big things, with the iPhone that really annoy me to the point of back tracking on a purchase :I
Posted by RyaN
lol
just do it, you wont regret it - i promise!
Posted by scouser_75
OK. Another question please boys. Can the iPhone record onto Sky+ boxes from remote locations? I checked the Sky website but the iPhone is not compatible. But I know that some other makes of phones which also are not compatible have other programmes which enables them to record from the pub, shopping etc
Posted by masseur
I haven't found any apps that can do sky remote record from the iPhone yet, except by navigating to the web page where you can click to record just as you would on a pc. The ones that sky do provide are java so none of those would work.
Unfortunately because of the way sky have that web page setup so you can pan around the program listings while maintaining the top and side bars means that it doesn't look too great on the iPhone
Posted by scouser_75
Thanks Masseur.
It's just a handy thing to have on the phone if your team has just pulled off a great win against manchester city and you want to record match of the day because you are out