Raider camera driver for K790, K800 and K810 (v6.6.5)

Posted by hfmls
well i think compression 100% refers to all resolutions? in the top it says

JQ_NORMAL= $s5 5c;
JQ_FINE= $s5 64;
JQ_BESTP= 59;

_________________i was going to edit this:

// any changes in this code will be useless
cam_ss_jpeg_buffer_size_1= 249F0;
cam_ss_jpeg_buffer_size_2= 61A80;
cam_ss_jpeg_buffer_size_3= 927C0;
cam_ss_jpeg_buffer_size_4= DBBA0;
cam_ss_jpeg_buffer_size_5= DBBA0;

but, i don't think it's working or like it says, useless?

and i have this:

JMIN= #SET(15,!1) #SET(16,!0);
JMAX= #SET(13,!1) #SET(14,!0);
JAVG= #SET(17,!1) #SET(18,!0);

seq_set_prop_5=
$s0 %0
$c0 02 #JQ_NORMAL #JMIN(00,0a) #JMAX(00,96) #JAVG(00,37) $cl
$c0 03 #JQ_FINE #JMIN(00,0a) #JMAX(00,96) #JAVG(00,50) $cl
$c0 04 #JQ_NORMAL #JMIN(00,3c) #JMAX(01,90) #JAVG(00,c8) $cl
$c0 05 #JQ_FINE #JMIN(00,96) #JMAX(01,90) #JAVG(01,2c) $cl
$c0 06 #JQ_NORMAL #JMIN(00,96) #JMAX(02,58) #JAVG(01,90) $cl
$c0 07 #JQ_FINE #JMIN(03,52) #JMAX(03,8E) #JAVG(03,70) $cl
$b0 00 1 7
$c0 00 #JQ_NORMAL #JMIN(02,58) #JMAX(04,B0) #JAVG(03,84) // dla 00/08
$cl #JQ_FINE #JMIN(03,52) #JMAX(03,8E) #JAVG(03,70) // dla 01/09
$cx
$cx $cx $cx $cx $cx $cx
#SET(19,$w5);

ONCE AGAIN, YOU CAN SAY ALL YOU WANT! I REALLY DON'T CARE FOR ME THAT SETTINGS MAKE FILE SIZE BIGGER ALL THE TIME, AVERAGE IS BIGGER, AND I GET MORE QUALITY PICTURES, SO PLEASE, LEAVE IT TO ME, AND USE THE SETTINGS YOU WANT

[ This Message was edited by: hfmls on 2008-07-30 16:06 ]

Posted by kmzoltan
i we checked raiders camdriver and i we read the costumization manual,and as you wrote in your post,anything i we changed it was useless i wanted to write there FFFFF which is 1mb and a little but nothing happened.
hfmls that restriction some way or other must be found and removed did you checked the main because in the FS it s not there that buffer what you see and what i saw is the camdriver which you've get after you reflash your phone so editing the FS is useless.We need to find that thing in the main.

Posted by hfmls
yes, it's in the main, don't know where, but it's there.

by the way. i was talking about editing the camdriver to get pictures with and average of 880 and up, to 910. so i get no pictures under that.

JUST A QUESTION.

is it possible to make EM pictures sharper ?

[ This Message was edited by: hfmls on 2008-07-30 17:41 ]

Posted by 640kenough
hfmls,

I've resized the 2MP shot to 3MP res and aligned them in the Photoshop.
As you can see, virtually there is no difference between them.
Actually 2MP shots may look better because on the smaller resolutions such artefacts as noise, chroma abberations etc are hardly noticeable.

2MPs:

3MPs:

[ This Message was edited by: 640kenough on 2008-07-30 21:19 ]

[ This Message was edited by: 640kenough on 2008-07-30 21:21 ]

Posted by 640kenough
btw, shoot smth more detailed to prove your version

anyway I appreciate your striving for best pix quality

Posted by 640kenough
IMHO, when it comes to the small picture details the resolution does matter

e.g:

so, more rez = more information = more details.

[ This Message was edited by: 640kenough on 2008-07-30 22:01 ]

Posted by recl
uhm..I don't see much difference

Posted by Raiderski
butiliero

... since I was curious and thought that compression artifacts were too high.

actually compression artifacts are not high, they are quite normal or even low. yes low, of course not in every jpeg

bear in mind that we are talking about small 3.2MP sensor where sensor sensitivity and sharpening process are main obstacles on the road to high quality, we are not able to reach this quality, not with this hardware

First on same quality settings (91%) hfmls files are bigger, I suppose because of the code that reduce quality a bit less that Raider's.

this is very simple to explain. hfmls increased file size rules (minimum, average) for compression. there's also higher quality % but this rule is less important than file size. compression is always trying to fit picture in file size rules, if 91% is not enough to create ~850kb file then it will increase quality %

Second when in 3MP the quality increase in terms of artifacts is not perceivable within hfmls' standard and fine settings. This means that when in 3MP mode 91% is close to the maximum achievable with the 900k buffer.

~90% is average quality for 900kb jpegs but of course everything depends on details in photographed scenery, this is nothing new

My question is, ... This means that even at 91% the image could be compressed with a higher overall visual quality, isn't it?

true, however this isn't in the K800 camera possibilites. first: no noise removing algorithm, second: sensor sensitivity and sharpening process

Another question...

yes, but as for now I don't know how to fix it

wickedsick
I would like to meet this genius but I think I will not

efforts ratio (programming vs. quality increase) will be huge disadvantage and to be honest - nobody isn't so big fan of 3.2MP to make this real

hfmls

i'm using now compresion at 100%

of course I'm not negating your experiments but we are on forum where many people are reading our words. that's why I wan't to make this words as much accurate as possible. so, once again (and last) for all readers...

SE phones are equipped in very nice algorithm and great feature - variable compression. it is seeking the best quality % level. question: seeking? yes, this means that quality of all your pictures can be different (therefore name is variable compression). question: so, what for is 91% quality defined in driver? well, this is nothing more than simple tip for the algorithm, in this way it knows where to start process of seeking. question: ok, it knows where to start but where it ends? it's trying to predict jpeg file size with various combinations of quality % levels. predicted file size is then compared to jpeg file size rules (defined by modders in driver). if comparision will be positive then jpeg can be created, otherwise quality % level is increased (if predicted result is below defined file size rules) or decreased (if predicted result is above defined file size rules) for next file size prediction. question: does this means that defined file size rules in driver are major parameters? yes, they are, quality % level will be adequate to max file size we want to have. you can set in driver quality 100% but in fact this level of quality is unreachable in 900kb file (you can check this with EXIF readers). question: no matter of what can I set quality 100%? yes you can but for what? this is only initial stress for compression algorithm and it will blow out into dust your dreams about 100% quality

my observations:
- average file size is ~820kb (many folders, more than 100 files in each folder)
- average file size of shots with flash or low detailed scenery is ~680kb

so, I can push the rules a bit higher in next version. top quality range 90 - 95% in cameraphone? madness! with SE you guys are really in jpeg's compression heaven even if you don't believe

Posted by 640kenough
exhaustive explanation

thnx

[ This Message was edited by: 640kenough on 2008-07-30 23:17 ]

Posted by fulger06
6..3.3

cwb+ss+color saturation+ev

auto+cwb

macro+cwb

auto+cwb

Posted by fulger06
At sea - "Costinesti"
auto

auto+cwb

auto

macro+ss+flash+cwb

auto+LOVE

auto

Posted by Arfi-Gorgona
Thats some damn good photos here guys.I wonder if the camera driver is able to get any better than this.Its almost perfect :/

Posted by urseandrei
Braila
All auto mode + manual settings

Posted by hfmls
ok, that's enough for me

the constant 900kb size was getting over my head. if you pro's say that i should use original raider driver. i will use

thank you.

Posted by recl
all auto

Posted by saeed k800
V 6.3.3
Exposure time: 2sec
a bit brighter than what eyes see ??!!

Posted by hfmls
yep. try 1second. or EM

EM is just awsome.

raider is it possible make EM for day pictures? or automode is fine? for example. if i choose allways iso100 in sunny day pics. will pics allways comeout perfect? shutter speed .

Posted by jokamaciek
EM is an inteligent algoritym and when U use it in daylight conditions it won't use ISO100 but ISO80 and it will set proper SS

Posted by hfmls
oh, ok. so i can use EM all the time

thank you.

Posted by unforgiven_sh
what is the average file size of a 3,2 megapixel photo taken with the digital camera (not phone)?

Posted by jokamaciek
my HP's camera takes 1.5MB - 2.5MB pictures

Posted by 640kenough
my konica minolta takes 3mps shots with size of 650 KB
it depends on the camera. btw, a lot of cams have no quality options for 'non-native' resolutions

Posted by hfmls
i have an hp photosmart e317 that a bought for a couple of euros.

5.0 is not a VERY GOOD CAMERA. but it's really nice.

is it possible to change firmware, or change values? anybody knows?

Posted by hfmls
modified

original

modified

original

Posted by urseandrei
Auto mode + manual settings

Posted by Raiderski
hfmls
this isn't good comparision

on 1st and 3rd pic screen is white - better light better focus. on 2nd and 4th pic screen is dark, 4th pic have bad focus or it's shaked. but I know what you wan't to tell us... modified files are bigger in this situation. yes they are (93% and 91% quality) but is it really means something? as for me - both are crappy, even with 100% quality they will be and it's not compression. very high quality in compression will not improve sensor sensitivity etc.

modified

original

Posted by Goldmen
Raiderski
I'm just curious...do you read sometimes your PM`s...?

Posted by Raiderski
yes yes, I will answer as soon as possible but I have job and girlfriend on my head

Posted by Goldmen
Oh,I uderstand you...
In Bulgaria we say that women are evil,but they are necessary...

[ This Message was edited by: Goldmen on 2008-08-01 11:09 ]

Posted by wickedsick
Thanks for your reply =)) I hope once day there will be a better software for taking pictures, not only by updating the driver. Btw, what do you think about this software which is used for HDR in the other thread: http://grafmoto.narod.ru/hdr.htm Please tell me your opinion about the sharpness.

Posted by wickedsick

On 2008-08-01 12:04:09, Goldmen wrote:
Oh,I uderstand you...
In Bulgaria we say that women are evil,but they are necessary...

[ This Message was edited by: Goldmen on 2008-08-01 11:09 ]

Here we say that a sucessful man has an evil lady behind him

On 2008-08-01 10:44:45, Raiderski wrote:
hfmls
this isn't good comparision

Agreed. We need a ideal laboratory to test the drivers now.

[ This Message was edited by: wickedsick on 2008-08-01 13:39 ]

Posted by 640kenough
HDR.jar is nice programm apart from bad JPEG compression...
200 KB is not enough for 3MP shots

Posted by 640kenough
macro AF:

macro MF:

Posted by filiptc
OSD for created for latest version (6.3.3) from jomateixa files and a bit of Photoshopping (only EV part modified).

vkp for R8BA024 only (make sure you remove possibly existing previous patch). If you want something modified just gimme your feedback and maybe I'll make another version.

Download .vkp (right click -> save as).

[ This Message was edited by: filiptc on 2008-08-01 15:01 ]

Posted by Goldmen
filiptc
Thank you very much!
Could you share *.png`s also,please...?

[ This Message was edited by: Goldmen on 2008-08-01 15:20 ]

Posted by filiptc
Sure. But as I said, mostly jomateixa's work. I only modified "EV_functions.png".

Download .png files in .zip

Posted by Goldmen

Thank you again!

Posted by saeed k800
Nokia 5610

K800 raider 6.3.3

both have 3.2 MP camera but as you see nokia 5610 is much better in daylight pictures.( but so weaker in poor light condition)
is it because 5610 pictures have 300 dpi but k800 72 dpi?

Posted by hfmls
shutter speed low in OSD is wrong.

by the way . here is a lame that i'ev made

really lame

Posted by hfmls
in jpeg snoop, it says all the time, compression 6. what's that mean? 6% ?

Posted by 640kenough

On 2008-08-01 16:54:41, hfmls wrote:
in jpeg snoop, it says all the time, compression 6. what's that mean? 6% ?

apperantly its 6th level of quality, where 12 is 100%
so 6 is 50% i suppose

Posted by vudu70

On 2008-08-01 15:59:43, filiptc wrote:
vkp for R8BA024 only (make sure you remove possibly existing previous patch). If you want something modified just gimme your feedback and maybe I'll make another version.

Posted by hfmls
50 % ...damn :S

Posted by 640kenough
nope, i was wrong. it cannot be 50%
i've checked some shots with quality: 6
they look fine

Posted by hfmls
maybe 50% of phones capacities?

i would like THAT OSD too

but post PNG's please.

Posted by Raiderski
if the value of compression tag in IFD1 is '6' then thumbnail image format is JPEG

saeed k800
yahh it's ugly

however I see that time and scenery doesn't "match" for both pictures. you have both phones?

_________________
K800 R1KG001
raider.4shared.com
flickr.com/photos/raiderek

[ This Message was edited by: Raiderski on 2008-08-01 16:24 ]

Posted by 640kenough
you can find compression quality right after the folowing string in the JPEGsnoop:

"The following IJG-based editors also match this signature"

(generally after "*** Searching Compression Signatures ***")

these figures are supposed to be more real

Posted by hfmls
1MB

1MB

2MB

1MB

[ This Message was edited by: hfmls on 2008-08-01 17:02 ]

Posted by Raiderski
MB = MP?

Posted by hfmls
yes