Posted by fatreg
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Program hasn't even finished yet and it's already got me fuming...
What gives people the right to bash homosexuals and the like?
One line that got me...
"Do any of you know children that have been brought up in a same sex relationship?"
All the people say no, so she goes on to spout at how "sexually confused" "drug dependent" and "they quit school" kids that are brought up in same sex relationships are...
what a load of tosh, I myself and my brother were brought up in a same sex relationship, and neither of us are drug dependent, have quit school or sexually confused!! My father died when I was 9 and my brother was 3, therefore I don't remember him and my brother doesn't even know who his dad is... But not for one moment have I ever been sexually confused, Yes, I may like pink, but that doesn't make me confused at all, I may have used drugs in the past, but by no means am I dependent on them, and I definitely didn't quit school, the only reason I'm still not in education is because I wanted to get out and work, if you really must know, I'm in the top 5% of the country with my IQ, but yeah, I quit school!? GRRRRRRRRR
Silly b*tch couldn't answer the question straight....
"How old do you believe the world is?
"I'm not sure, quite young, about 4000 years old"
"How do you explain fossils then that have been carbon dated to a few million years old?"
"How can we take the carbon dating as read?"
The silly silly silly b*tch..
WHY are religious people so blind to reality!? the world is not 4000 years old, and people don't choose wether or not they are homosexual, you are born that way.....
Pro-life my a*se, they are not pro-life at all, they want a Christian run state, where we all run round praying to God. If it wasn't for the shallowed views held by some Christians I might be a believer but sadly, I'm not.
As for what the whole show is about, abortion, why not just ban the whole process? if people are willing to play the game, you have to be prepared for the the consequences of your actions...
/end of rant for the time being
Posted by haynesycop
I could not agree more there are so many narrow minded and uneducated people in this world, they seriously need seeing too. If being in a same sex relationship produced more people like you then the world would be a better place and i seriously mean that and i've met your family and know for a fact there fantastic people.
Posted by Evilchap
Well I have spent about five minutes typing and then deleting my comments to this post. I supose all I can actually say that wont terribly offend the poor deluded Christian folk is will done fatreg.
Posted by voda_jon
its a very small group of so called 'christians' that believe most of this.... i have been going to church since birth with my family (25yrs now!), and where i do believe in God and everything that comes from him I find it hard to believe that we as christians should hate anyone who loves someone of the same sex....
The comments she made are very stupid indeed.... many creationists believe fossils are planted by god to place doubt in the mind so that christians and other religions can prove their worth and their devotion but am of the firm believment that they r there coz animals lived there lol...
I enjoy going to church and enjoy being, what i consider, a true christian who takes an active part in church and tries their hardest to live the christian values each day...
People like those on the show last night make the whole religion seem bad!
J.
Posted by Yoruichi
until people realise that regardless of race, sexuality, intelligence, politics and religion were all human. disappointing that in the 21st century people are still spouting the same old tired politics and primitive religious nonsense the world will never change until (if ever) humanity grows up and stop acting like a bunch of primitive savages.
Posted by KingBooker5
I totaly agree with the ignorance of many religous goons. Its not just Christians, in Arabia or Iran you could be hanged for being gay.
I don't belive that ANY faith can claim that their god is almighty and loving yet, these biggots preach hate against homosexuals.
I know its not all religous people, I my self am Orthodox Christian, but there are some people that need a wollop with a hard dose of reality and wake up from their medieval ignorance and views.
Posted by Danny_BFC
No offence but im sure it would f**k me up if i knew my dad was shagging a bloke :/
Didn't get chance to watch this, will it be on 40D ?
Posted by fatreg
^ might do now your what 16 or so... but I was 9 and my bro 3 when my Mum declared to us she loved another woman, I've never known any different...
@ wifey, thank you
you seem to say all the right things at the right time... roll on being single at 30 
hehehe
Posted by thomas93
30 year old virgin
joking 
If I'm honest it's like the terrorists who claim to be Muslim's. They just don't get it.
Posted by fatreg
^ I said being 30 and single, not 30 and a virgin....
yeah Muslims that create mayhem, madness, totally against anything that Islam teaches you!
Fools!
Posted by themarques
On 2008-05-19 22:40:20, haynesycop wrote:
If being in a same sex relationship produced more people like you then the world would be a better place
Excuse my ignorance but if that was the case then he wouldn't have been produced.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against what other people have chosen as their path in life but for those that call themselves "good christians" I suggest you read Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination
So if you are going to call yourself a christian then follow the teachings of the good book, and let us not pick and choose what we think is right and wrong.
Posted by Evilchap
See now the problem with taking small quotes form the Bilble and telling people that they should follow the whole thing is that you still miss passages like Dueteronomy 20:12 (excuse the spelling) which gives you rules for war and a nice list of races of man to wipe out. Dont see too many Christians following those rules.
Posted by KingBooker5
On 2008-05-21 07:23:25, Evilchap wrote:
See now the problem with taking small quotes form the Bilble and telling people that they should follow the whole thing is that you still miss passages like Dueteronomy 20:12 (excuse the spelling) which gives you rules for war and a nice list of races of man to wipe out. Dont see too many Christians following those rules.
Whats with all the Christian bashing? The Quran mentions the same thing, but I don't see any one bashing the Muslims. I doubt the good muslims of this world follow that rule, just like the Christians. If they don't follow it, why bring it up?
Posted by Bonovox
I agree with you Reg its wrong their way of thinking. People go on about free speech and such things but they abuse it by saying evil nasty things about gays and people who dont believe in their religion and just cos we are not like them we gotta be strung up or executed. I am Irish from catholic family but i dont ram it down peoples throats or say gays should be shot and sometimes im ashamed to see how even some catholics act just cos they dont approve of something. Yes we all have things we dont like or agree with in this world but there is no reason for such nasty evil ways. Just live and let live and the same goes for any religion or belief.
Posted by haynesycop
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On 2008-05-21 02:41:03, themarques wrote:
On 2008-05-19 22:40:20, haynesycop wrote:
If being in a same sex relationship produced more people like you then the world would be a better place
Excuse my ignorance but if that was the case then he wouldn't have been produced.
Well obviously, what i mean is the manner and environment in which someone is brought up in. Saying that it depends on the people and the values and principles that are instilled in their children. Some people, whether they are in a same sex relationship or not haven't got a clue how to bring up their offspring but that's another story in itself.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
I am Christian and have gone to church from birth, but I agree wholly with fatreg. See, people like myself and voda_jon can be Christian and have Christian beliefs, but we are smart enough to be able pick out the parts of the Christian faith which common sense tells us is plain stupid, savage, or just wrong.
After all, the bible itself is very very old. The world has moved on and progressed so much, so why should we follow a book's preachings when it isn't even relevant to our modern age? The bible has no proof that is correct anyway, parts of it may be completely true, other parts could be lies or the truth could have been distorted through all the story-telling, just like Chinese Whispers.
I think its sick how some people take whatever the bible says, or what religious leaders say, to heart. They take it too far and forget other things that the bible preaches, which are far more important. My church welcomes gay people, and anyone who wants to join and I'm glad, because I wouldn't want to be hanging around with these idiots that obviously are so narrow minded that they've fallen off the tracks!
Posted by Bonovox
Im not gay myself but i know 3 gay people and they are such gone friendly people with nothing nasty about them. People with distorted views of their religion are just either naturally evil or just mentally crazy or just brain washed. These religions are meant to peace loving to all mankind so god is gone right so why would he want to kill someone who is gay. AT THE END OF THE DAY IF YOU ARE A GONE DECENT PERSON NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. But these people do make my blood boil over. I hate it when they stand on OUR streets protesting about OUR way of life in this country. The saying goes IF THEY DONT LIKE IT HERE. LEAVE. I care nothing to what anyone says nobody should tell you how you lead your life as long as you dont hurt people.
Posted by haynesycop
On 2008-05-21 15:41:26, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
I am Christian and have gone to church from birth, but I agree wholly with fatreg. See, people like myself and voda_jon can be Christian and have Christian beliefs, but we are smart enough to be able pick out the parts of the Christian faith which common sense tells us is plain stupid, savage, or just wrong.
After all, the bible itself is very very old. The world has moved on and progressed so much, so why should we follow a book's preachings when it isn't even relevant to our modern age? The bible has no proof that is correct anyway, parts of it may be completely true, other parts could be lies or the truth could have been distorted through all the story-telling, just like Chinese Whispers.
I think its sick how some people take whatever the bible says, or what religious leaders say, to heart. They take it too far and forget other things that the bible preaches, which are far more important. My church welcomes gay people, and anyone who wants to join and I'm glad, because I wouldn't want to be hanging around with these idiots that obviously are so narrow minded that they've fallen off the tracks!
Best post in this thread so far, i agree on the whole bible point, the possibility of it being distorted and so on. It's just crazy that seeing how old the world is and the life that has been gone we've still not learnt to live and let live, it's 2008 people. It's definitely how your brought up in my eyes, if a parent is racist, homophobic or whatever then it gets passed on.
Posted by themarques
Those who will be able to enter the new city (Heaven) do what Jesus commanded (Revelations 22:14). Check the verse. They do what Jesus has commanded them to do.
Luke 6:46-49
46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?
Luke 13:24-27
24 Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know you, where you are from,' 26 then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' 27 But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity. NKJV
I think these verses sum it up quite well, and for those that have said the times have changed move with them. Well lets take a look at Revelations were God has told us what to expect ie the mark of the beast etc. So in other words we can say for sure that he saw the future. Take for example how we heading to the ID card system and micro chip implants RFID etc, call it technology call it the mark you choose. But I believe God was fully aware of the times that will come and it is said he will not put any temptation before us that we can not refuse.
Remember OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT? well things like eye for an eye were abolished leaving us with turn the other cheek (hypothetically speaking). I think if you going to go the whole 9 yards for for it, otherwise make a new religion.
Posted by Bonovox
Jesus could forsee what was going to happen in the middle east he said WEEP NOT FOR ME WEEP FOR YOURSELVES.
Posted by badassmam
You either follow your religion or not. You can't exclude what you don't think is correct, that would mean that you have no faith in your religion. It's one or the other. If you believe that a religion needs to be modernised then that means you do not believe in the religion and you see problems that have to be changed according to society.
Society has changed a lot, 20 years ago there would be no discussion about this at all but time goes on. I'm sure that people look down on this abortion issue but society has moved on and everyone is having sex, even kids that are 14 get pregnant. That is one way in which society had become bad.
I have no issue with gay people, I'm sure that it can be tough emotionally and mentally for those who are confused. Perfect example is from my uni days. One guy became gay after experimenting, few bad girlfriends etc. He was happy whenever I spoke to him, he is a nice guy and I have nothing against him. Another guy was attracted to men after looking at gay porn but he felt bad about it because he wanted kids. He stopped himself and managed to hold back his urges. He is now happily married to a woman and has kids, he is over the moon and says that he is glad to be straight.
I can't comment too much because I am not gay but I follow my religion and would not endorse it due to logic and also that I believe that my religion is still relevent and correct, 1400 years from it being revealed. Sometimes you can't follow your feelings and urges, you have to be logical regardless of what society is doing.
Some couples who cannot have kids really struggle through life, it rips them up from inside (this is what I mean by logic). I am certain that homosexual couples feel the same but then adopting becomes complex because of how the child may feel. If they accept then great but if not, it becomes a big psychological issue for the parents as well.
That's my honest opinion, I have respect for all men and women since they are God's creation so He is the judge of all of us. I would not discriminate against anybody based on such complex issues.
Posted by Evilchap
@badassman, I must say I agree with you, which may come as surprising since I'm a Satanist. However you have summed it up with the statement about people essentially taking what they like out of their book and claiming that the rest is redundant because "times change". That has got to be the biggest crock I have ever heard. Its like some people I know that call themselves Muslim yet got out drinking etc more often than I do. If you are going to claim the title of a religon you could at least have decency to follow all the rules.
With that said I do not have a big problem with people who are just good people, they follow the basic rules and dont cause any one any harm. You will also notice that these people tend not to discriminate against creed, race, religon or sexual prefrence.
Posted by Bonovox
Did anyone hear the Pope recently changed some of the commandments for the 21st century so even he is moving with the times. Some people are so out of touch they want to live back in the stone age. Those people with distorted views of their religion thankfully are a minority.
Posted by badassmam
Bonovox
If Jesus was here today, do you think that he would have to change his beliefs to become more mainstream? He and other prophets had a set of values and examples from their time which are to lead as an example to others. If everyone was like Jesus and the other prophets, there would be no need for heaven.
Do you follow the Pope or the teachings by Jesus? If you look deep into your beliefs, you will realise that actually there is no need for modernisation. If everyone were to stick to their religion by word, the world would be perfect. No wars, no violence, no conflict.
Posted by voda_jon
and this is why i love the church of england lol.... the vicars and ministers let u make ur own mind up in regards to how u live your life and how u treat other people....
There are many people, some in my church, who follow the bible to every word and that is their choice. As a young christian i understand that if i was to follow the bible word by word then i would certainly b outkast in the general public for my views... that is why i am more open to sexuality and the like.
Religion is what you decide it is to you and yourself.
Posted by Daedalus85
As most likely one of the only gay people on this forum, all I will say is this.
Religion. Designed to bring people together but 99% of the time it blows people apart. It starts wars, it brings hatred between groups of people, and does the exact opposite of it's intention. In short, use your OWN brain, your OWN thoughts and make your OWN mind up, not follow a list of rules to govern you life as dictated by a fictious character.
And thats my 2 pence
Posted by KingBooker5
On 2008-05-22 15:49:54, Daedalus85 wrote:
As most likely one of the only gay people on this forum, all I will say is this.
Religion. Designed to bring people together but 99% of the time it blows people apart. It starts wars, it brings hatred between groups of people, and does the exact opposite of it's intention. In short, use your OWN brain, your OWN thoughts and make your OWN mind up, not follow a list of rules to govern you life as dictated by a fictious character.
And thats my 2 pence
Rubbish. Their is a big mis understanding between religion and war. IMO opinion, if there was no religion, the human race would have been wiped out years ago. Religion has brought wars, but it has kept a balance.
If there was no such thing as religion, people would have killed and done what ever they wan't causing corruption and death, because they would have nothing to worry about in the future. This is why it has brought a balance.
With religion people have had second thoughts and restrained themselves from commiting these acts.
Obviously we have had genocides and wars, but my point is, it would be a hell of a lot more with out religion.
Posted by Daedalus85
Nu uh, sorry, I don't buy that.
If two countries are in the middle of a war, I doubt very much that 'religion' is going to stop anyone. The differences people have between two religions can cause it, but stopping it? If they knew it was wrong they wouldn't have done it in the first place, and if their religion 'commanded' that they don't do it, then they wouldn't have done it in the first place.
My opinion though, not saying it's fact or anything.
Posted by KingBooker5
On 2008-05-22 18:48:39, Daedalus85 wrote:
Nu uh, sorry, I don't buy that.
If two countries are in the middle of a war, I doubt very much that 'religion' is going to stop anyone. The differences people have between two religions can cause it, but stopping it? If they knew it was wrong they wouldn't have done it in the first place, and if their religion 'commanded' that they don't do it, then they wouldn't have done it in the first place.
My opinion though, not saying it's fact or anything.
No problem, every one has an opinion and ours differ.
However, look at it this way. Mohammad Ali, did not go to the Vietnam war, because he stood by his religion.
"If two countries are in the middle of a war, I doubt very much that 'religion' is going to stop anyone"
Imo I think in history many people have used religion as an excuse to fight for land and respect for their people. Just look at the ancient times and medieval times, people wen't round conquring the world, were all of these based on religion?
Two religions may fight but history has proved they can live in peace. Just look at the crusades (I can't remember which one) the Muslims came and saved the Christians in Spain (I think Spain) and lived in peace together.
Posted by badassmam
The religion doesn't cause war, that implies that my religion dissed your religion so lets go to war. War is over land and resources. Even Isreal is to do with resources and disrupting the countries in the Middle East. It is all tactical with regards to import, export, dividing countries that would normally be allied. If the Middle East were allied, it would be the daddy because of their wealth. War on terror is war for oil, nothing to do with religion.
With regards to religion demanding war think of it like this, you rent out one room of your house to me and I then decide that I'll put you in that room and take control of your house. I have a gun as well, I make the rules about who uses the kitchen and bathroom etc. One day I say you can't use the kitchen therefore you starve, you get my point. You have every right to fight for your house and your religion will back this up because this is an injustice. If the Police and courts don't help you, your only choice is violence to get back your house and save your family. This is pretty much the problem in Palestine. Isreal is strategically very important for the USA.
Posted by fatreg
On 2008-05-22 21:33:06, badassmam wrote:
The religion doesn't cause war, that implies that my religion dissed your religion so lets go to war.
West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem anyone?
Posted by Bonovox
Im from an Irish catholic family though i dont go to church much these days cos of busy life. But i do pray and deep down i dont believe in any particular religion. I believe their is some sort of afterlife and believe that WE ARE ALL ONE RACE WHICH IS THE HUMAN RACE AND WE WERE ALL PUT HERE ON THE SAME PLANET. I BELIEVE WE ARE ALL PROBABLY GOING TO GO TO THE SAME PLACE BUT WE ARE JUST NOT MEANT TO KNOW BEFORE WE DIE. I believe in something but think all religions are just man made. Why would we all be put on the same planet as the same human race but all have different gods.
Posted by KingBooker5
On 2008-05-22 22:31:05, fatreg wrote:
On 2008-05-22 21:33:06, badassmam wrote:
The religion doesn't cause war, that implies that my religion dissed your religion so lets go to war.
West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem anyone?
Fatreg, no one is saying there has never been wars over religion, but my point is, religion has kept a balance and made the world much more stable than what it would be with out it
Posted by themarques
On 2008-05-22 22:31:05, fatreg wrote:
On 2008-05-22 21:33:06, badassmam wrote:
The religion doesn't cause war, that implies that my religion dissed your religion so lets go to war.
West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem anyone?
Actually if you really go back in relation to this war and how it started, was because the Egyptian closure of the Strait of Tiran to Israeli shipping in 1946 I believe.
Its gone on for so long media has made up stories yeah throw in religion to spice it up be that was not the cause. This has been going on for nearing 62 years man, I think alot of them have forgotten what they fighting about its just become second nature and war can affect the minds of people (Vietnam)
Posted by Bonovox
Has anyone just seen the news. 22 year old white man arrested in The West Country of all places in Exeter for setting off a device in a restaurant. He had been brainwashed by radicals and he was white. Whats going on in this world man. Never expected it to happen in Devon of all places.
Posted by fatreg
^^ ermm it all started after we gave up occupation in whenever it was and made Israel it's own country....
Posted by KingBooker5
On 2008-05-22 23:12:10, fatreg wrote:
^^ ermm it all started after we gave up occupation in whenever it was and made Israel it's own country....
What did that have to do with religion though?
Posted by fatreg
Because contained with Israel is Jerusalem, and Christians believe it's their spiritual home and Muslims also believe the same...
Posted by badassmam
Fatreg
Muslims owned the land from many years before Isreal came into existance. The land was hijacked illegally and has been supported by the West. Jews, Christians and Muslims were living there for many years in peace because the land is significant to all three religions. It was never an issue. A lot of Muslims see this as a religious war because they are desperate for help from the fellow Muslims i.e. Saudi, Egypt etc. who could easily stop this. Muslims have a duty to help everyone from China to the person who simply needs directions. Palestinians and in a desperate situation.
The disaster in China was natural so could not be avoided, but the Palestine problem is man made and after the 60 years of slaughter and massacre, God is their only refuge and if He can make them happy for even a minute, so be it.
Bonovox
If we are predestined to all go to the same place after death (I assume Heaven from your comment), people knowing that fact would do whatever they felt like i.e. murder, rape etc. If you know that you are not going to be punished for a sin, you will sin all day long. The fear of God and punishment is why the world is still in one piece.
Posted by Yoruichi
basically everyones missing the point... it doesnt matter as to race, religion, politics, sexual preference etc. everyone has hopes, fears, dreams, thoughts, feelings .. and is human regardless. yet people fail to comprehend that and engage in pointless fighting and senseless slaughter of those who are "different" . as to what christianity has given the world lets see-the crusades , the inquisition the war in the mid east, censorship
Posted by Yoruichi
hatred, bigotry , corruption, all in the name of "god" . used to justify suppress and slaughter those who disagree with the narrow primitive view of religion and its adherants. will say one last thing that have found to be true if need help muslims will help whereas christians will do nothing to help when people need help learned from experience.
Posted by Bonovox
What a complete crock of s**t you just said. What really gets me is generally i got nothing against a muslim but some slag off the west and yet they live their lives as westerners and do everything we do. Hypocrites.
Posted by themarques
I dont think anyone is missing the point, but if we have to get down to the true fact of things as people try and make it out to be lets take homosexuality for instance.
Ok this is going to get a tad bit graphic, and apologies to any gay men who might find this comment offensive.
Further to my post earlier where the bible states another man should not lay with another, for good reason I believe.
I am sure any gay man will tell you that they need to undergo regular checks on the rectum as the anal wall is not built for (lets be honest) for intercourse. So you will find that a few of them begin to suffer from flatulence do to the muscles of the anus not been able to hold up so well after a while.
And if you think I am lying please check with your health care worker when ever you go get next checked out (which every man and woman should do regularly anyway).
So thus been said if anal sex was meant to be normal would the body be reacting in such a way?
Once again not meant to cause offence but its just to put a question out there.
And finally it couldn't have been that the anal passage was meant to be used as a form of "pleasure" so to speak as this is also the passage for the bodies most deadly bacteria. I am sure I don't need to go any further into this.
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Posted by Yoruichi
just stating what found to be true. after losing everything in a disaster went and asked help at several churches of the good christians - got told sorry your not a member of our church.. sorry your not christian we cant help you.. went and asked help of muslims and was given help without the nonsense and questions of the good christians. and fyi am a westerner but left to live in se asia after katrina and getting no damn help.
Posted by themarques
On 2008-05-23 02:09:06, Yoruichi wrote:
just stating what found to be true. after losing everything in a disaster went and asked help at several churches of the good christians - got told sorry your not a member of our church.. sorry your not christian we cant help you.. went and asked help of muslims and was given help without the nonsense and questions of the good christians. and fyi am a westerner but left to live in se asia after katrina and getting no damn help.
Sorry to hear about your loss, but if you dont mind me asking were you actually a memeber of a church before? what happened to your church? and if you were not a member what made you turn to the church in the first place?
Were the churches not also full to capacity by this time? judging by the size of Mosque's and Churches, am I right in saying they are normally larger?
Posted by Yoruichi
and 31 months later still got no damn help. so much for america the great cant even take care of their own too busy with their illegal/immoral wars and wasting billions to commit mass murder. so I left to where people are more civilised and have honour. To think when was younger I stupidly believed the lies and wasted my life and health as an army officer.. I live with nightmares of what saw and did. all for nothing
Posted by Yoruichi
the u.s cant take care of its own and has no right to dictate to the world. the american dream is the biggest lie and propaganda going. enough am off to try to calm down..
Posted by Bonovox
As for you say christians not helping well YOUR WRONG. Thing is here your going off what one or two instances. Every religion has its bad people and its bad points muslims have evil bad sick in the head nutters just as do the christian faith. How many nutters out there in muslim faith have said they care nothing for non believers. Generally both religions have very good treatment of people and of helping. My church in my area where i was bought up has mostly Irish catholics over the years where my mother took me. Now times are changing in that church now i have seen black white and asian people in there. Now tell me thats not welcoming anyone. The UK is mostly christian country but welcomes everyone from every background. The people i know from our parish are so friendly to everyone. And as for the gay sex comments well im not gay but what you say about god and his thoughts on gay sex and men. Should it not be upto the individual to decide what they wish to do with their bodies. ITS A FREE WORLD IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT PEOPLE DO GET OFF IT. As long as they are not hurting anyone they can do as they please. Im so sick of hearing people go on about what they think is right and if other people dont do as they do they are wrong. Go away.
Posted by Bonovox
Im not a big fan of Bush but there is one or two things about America people forget. They are always constantly stepping in trying to sort out other peoples mess in the world. Muslims fighting muslims and other stupid wars. They dont go in to kill innocent people they go in to rid places of evil dictators. America helps other countries with billions of aid. Look at so many other corrupt countries in this world thinking they can force their ways on us. Saying the west should live the way they do. The war in Iraq not exactly a roaring success and it was not well planned but they got rid of a dictator and people there do enjoy some freedoms they never had before. Many many years ago America never wanted to get involved in any wars but they were provoked in Pearl Harbour by Japan in 2nd world war. So stop going on about how perfect the east is and that the muslim world is always so superior to everyone else cos frankly i am sick of hearing it. Why is it the west has to sort out everyones mess.
Posted by Evilchap
The West does not have to sort out every ones mess, in fact they would have less mess to sort out if they hadnt supplied the weapons for the "stupid wars" in the first place, and they may not go in to kill innocent people, however they seem to have a habbit of killing more of them than actual combatants. So please dont defend their actions.