Posted by Xugaa
I hate starting up a program to find that because I didn't run it in administrator mode (it didn't ask) some of the features don't work, as well as having to give permission to run in this same mode everytime I open a program which does ask - it's starting to annoy me. Also some programs which don't ask upon clicking their shortcut actually crash unless I manually set to run as administrator. I am the computer's administrator and only user.
So my question is, does anyone know of a way to set Vista to automatically run ALL programs automatically (without asking) in administrator mode? Maybe something in the control panel etc, that I can adjust.
Thanks.
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Posted by gaming_guy
if vista has it, try using the separate administrator account (like xp has)
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Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-05-11 14:36:17, Xugaa wrote:
I hate starting up a program to find that because I didn't run it in administrator mode (it didn't ask) some of the features don't work, as well as having to give permission to run in this same mode everytime I open a program which does ask - it's starting to annoy me. Also some programs which don't ask upon clicking their shortcut actually crash unless I manually set to run as administrator. I am the computer's administrator and only user.
So my question is, does anyone know of a way to set Vista to automatically run ALL programs automatically (without asking) in administrator mode? Maybe something in the control panel etc, that I can adjust.
Thanks.
one option: http://www.howtogeek.com/howt[....]strator-mode-on-windows-vista/
Posted by NightBlade
Disable UAC?
Posted by vivian.smith
who can help me too?
Posted by kenoby
If you have a program that requires to run on admin level but it doesn't ask for the rights, you can right click the icon, go to properties, navigate to Compatibility tab and mark the checkbox on the bottom where it says: "Run this program as administrator" and save the settings. If you have more users on the system then you can click "Show settings for all users" on the same page which will elevate the rights in order to reach the same page but with admin rights from where you can mark the checkbox Run as adminstrator.
If you are lazy because you need to make one more click than disable UAC.
Mind you how easy is to infect XP..
Posted by max_wedge
Well I run XP (and maintain it at the various businesses I work for), and I don't have a problem with infections. There are a couple of things called AntVirus and firewalls. Helps a lot.
So on that basis, I have no fear of turnig off UAC in vista. I've run every version of Windows since WFW3.11 (and earlier non-networked versions of Windows and DOS), and never had a problem with viruses.
I allow all my business customers to run their Windows XP in aministrator mode, and tbh I haven't had any problems as a consequence of this.
UAC is pretty cool in some ways, but Windows simply isn't designed from the ground up to operate with such controls. In a few years UAC will mature and improve but for now it's too obtrusive for too little gain. But use both in AND outbound firewall blocking, and AV protection otherwise you might as well invite problems.
Posted by kenoby
On 2008-05-13 15:10:39, max_wedge wrote:
Well I run XP (and maintain it at the various businesses I work for), and I don't have a problem with infections. There are a couple of things called AntVirus and firewalls. Helps a lot.
So on that basis, I have no fear of turnig off UAC in vista. I've run every version of Windows since WFW3.11 (and earlier non-networked versions of Windows and DOS), and never had a problem with viruses.
I allow all my business customers to run their Windows XP in aministrator mode, and tbh I haven't had any problems as a consequence of this.
UAC is pretty cool in some ways, but Windows simply isn't designed from the ground up to operate with such controls. In a few years UAC will mature and improve but for now it's too obtrusive for too little gain. But use both in AND outbound firewall blocking, and AV protection otherwise you might as well invite problems.
Mate, sorry if I sounded offensive. But you got my point. As for the UAC, well, I do not know if you are Linux user (probably yes) but there is also a similar thing. Only diff is you do not need to write your password in Vista. Many Linux users were praising this virtue and now when similar thing is intoduced in Vista I find it as a pleasant surprise.
I must tell you, it does puts me at rest a bit. In China, there was some virus in the system trying to install on on the computer. Firewall and AV were working properly for few weeks but one morning when I woke up I've seen a download dialog, giving me std options. Now, if I have downloaded it without thinking you can only guess what would be on the XP. But here UAC would remind me one more time.
BTW I guess you also do web content filtering... Which helps loads.. But for many regural users this one click on Vista could save the system.
Or I understood complete thing wrong...
Than again, you could do a similar thing on XP. Which many do not do, as they want to be an Admin of the system. Which makes it vulnerable...
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Posted by max_wedge
I'm not arguing that UAC doesn't have potential, but the point I'm making is I've run XP for years without being innundated with viruses. Yes there will be the occasional virus that will get through IE vulnurabilities that a firewall won't pickup (only because IE is trusted or more correctly port 80 is trusted for inbound connections. It has to allow port 80 to be able to browse the web), and that the AV program won't notice until it's too late. I've had two such viruses since running Win2k and WinXP (over 7 years).
The average end user who may benefit from UAC, is more than likely to just click allow anyway. Especially after they instal a legitimate program or two, they learn to automatically click "allow" whenever UAC pops up. I've seen this again and again. If UAC didn't appear so often, there is a much better chance end user's would take it seriously when it does appear.
Posted by kenoby
Well, I stand to my point.
Once I was invited to repair one computer that was on the internet for a few hours. It was running XP and it was infected to the point where I couldn't reach the registry and it was restarting every 10 secs. So, that one click in Vista IMO saves the day to someone, also providing some reissurance for the zero day attacks.
Thanks for the arguments mate.
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Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-05-15 11:44:57, kenoby wrote:
Well, I stand to my point.
Once I was invited to repair one computer that was on the internet for a few hours. It was running XP and it was infected to the point where I couldn't reach the registry and it was restarting every 10 secs. So, that one click in Vista IMO saves the day to someone, also providing some reissurance for the zero day attacks.
Not a very comparable incident though. Any winxp machine on the internet for two hours will be infected to the point you can't access the registry?
I myself have been to those houses were windows machines are completely clogged up with all sorts of crap. Most often it's because the end user has failed to take some or all of the basic precautions. (btw, my business is going to peoples homes and businesses to fix their computers so I do know what you speak of)
But you fail to realise one thing: those clogged up machines will be as common with Windows Vista as they are with XP
Hell, I've seen MAC's that are clogged up, and they don't even get viruses (but they can have too much crap installed and broken applications and error messages all the time) No OS is immune to problems.
Just because you see some XP machines around that are clogged up, doesn't mean they all are. What about the millions of XP machines that chug along day after day whose owners have very few problems if any with malware or viruses?
Another very big mistake you are making is claiming UAC is protection against viruses and malware. Some attacks yes, but there are still many ways to attack a host that UAC cannot detect or prevent. Overtime, UAC will become one of the tools that we use to protect our machines I have no doubt, but for now I still run Vista without it, and I don't feel any less secure. I still reckon up-to-date AV and a proper inbound and outbound firewall is the best protection (NOT Windows XP firewall).
Thanks for the arguments mate.
No worries, I love a good argument
Posted by max_wedge
btw, here's a good utility that makes UAC a little more sensible. This article also explains why it's not good to rely on UAC to protect against viruses.
http://www.tweak-uac.com/uac-quiet-mode/
Posted by QVGA
For those who know the ins and outs of a PC, turning off UAC should not create any problem
Posted by kenoby
On 2008-05-15 14:02:09, QVGA wrote:
For those who know the ins and outs of a PC, turning off UAC should not create any problem
I love you too..
@Max wedge, thanks for the link. I agree with it fully, I might not be as detailed as that article but the point is that UAC is a final point of no return and I use it as it is. Depends how much patience you have.
"Is it dangerous to use the “quiet” mode of UAC then? It’s only dangerous if you consider yourself as one of the potential damaging factors and want to get an extra warning when you are about to do something potentially dangerous. (Yes, ignorance is always dangerous, not just when it comes to computers). However, if you are an experienced user and have some understanding of how to manage your Windows settings properly, you can safely use the quiet mode of UAC."
Ignorace is a bliss, someone also said. I will not judge my knowledge about computers, it is approach here that is judged. I was more annoyed when I was using some of the Linux distros with retyping my master psswd ever time I had a installation then with UAC.
Well, also is truth that some ppl do not deserve to have a computer with a kind of approach they have to it, so any complaining about malfunction of its OS is useless from their side. And its truth that UAC will not save them
Again, in my case I have never bothered to switch it of as I see it as advantage and I do not suffer with that one click... Once I have changed the password on my yahoo mail account that I had for years and the next morning I couldn't remember it anymore. So, I have lost it and along with it some of the contacts valuable to me that I can not reach anymore. Sad but true. I could have take a minimum measure of precaution if I just wrote the bloody psswd down, but I didn't. The example is not related much with the UAC but you get my point 
So when it comes to computers some of the things I do not mind if they can save me from myself.
Thanks again, it's a quality read... I will try tweakUAC
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Posted by max_wedge
Yep, tweakuac does look good. It might be enough that I'll consider using UAC on my new vista laptop. (after arguing so strongly against UAC!)
So you might be the winner of this argument after all
I'll be interested to see just how much tweakUAC improves the UAC pop up ratio.
Posted by kenoby
After all the mess I had with XP and exploration of Linux for one year I ended up buying OEM Vista Ultimate for my Vaio laptop and now I can tell you it was worth every penny. Many software houses have learned to manage Vista so the time is now for it. After this SP1 release, even tho it was slow in the beggining and SP1 takes more time for an installation on a clean system then installation of the system itself, it is worthwhile. For me, that is.
btw it is 3.1GB of memory not 4 as reported by Vista. Still, paging is disabled and it is at 45% mem. load. But I do not mind... It is a price of developing the hw and sw.
Posted by max_wedge
I just bought an old dell latitude d410 laptop, Pentium M 740 1.8GHz, 512MB ram, 60GB hdd. I upgraded the memory to 2GB (maximum it would take), HDD to 160GB, and bought a copy of Vista Business. I'm loving this laptop, Vista hums on it and doesn't notice the fact the CPU is only single core.
I had a few problems with UAC causing problems for apps, soI've turned it off. Some apps are blocked by UAC without prompting. I'm sure this is the app's fault, ie: once apps are all written for Vista they will properly prompt UAC so the end user can allow (if they trust the app), but so far a few apps just won't run with UAC on. I'm gonna try those apps with TWEAKUAC, maybe that will solve the problem.
Posted by Cycovision
Our VB.net programmer had a problem with UAC for a short while. I'm not sure exactly how he solved it but it wasn't difficult apparently so yes, it is down to the developers I think.
Posted by kenoby
@ Max, have you tried to adjust those apps before you run them again as I advised in few posts behind?
I also had some installation problems withsome apps, but they're solved quckly. Anyway mate, glad you like your gadget.
@Cycovision, I agree it is down to the software development.
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Posted by max_wedge
Yeah, it doesn't always help.
IBRS' Sweeney claimed that one of the major problems developers have had to overcome when working to build applications for Vista is its new security model - otherwise known as user account control (UAC).
"UAC may go down as a massive step forward in security some day, but most developers consider it a nightmare at the moment," he said. "To get any application running seamlessly on Vista a developer has to have a solid understanding of UAC," he said.
So given time it'll get better.
Posted by kenoby
Well, you are one of the rare who don't blame Microsoft for everything...
Posted by max_wedge
you can't blame Microsoft for "everything"
War? Famine?
But tbh, I've run windows for years and a little bit of commen sense and you won't have any problems with windows (atleast, no more so than any other computer os even linux or mac).
I'm running Vista on my laptop and it's a gem. I'm running 5-6 year old programs without any problems whatsoever.