The Perfect SE. - Esato archive

Posted by bustamo
Well, not many phones that are out cut it yet.
Im still sticking to a W610 but i want the W910 or W760 but the camera is poor with no flash; Newer K/C-series phones arent coming with a playnow button anymore.

My perfect SE would be: -the slide of a W910 but a bit thicker if needed
or candybar
-Minimum 3.2mp on the back (not the slide out -- Part) with flash + Autofocus
-GPS (optional)
-Dedicated keys
-Music Start/Stop Button + good loudspeaker
-Good media player/camera interface
-Touchscreen maybe (too much to ask?)
-Motion sensor

They should make a phone like this but w/o touchscreen if needed etc

What would you like?

[ This Message was edited by: bustamo on 2008-04-06 12:09 ]

Posted by NightBlade
Do you even know what PlayNow is?
I think you mean Play/Pause.

[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2008-04-06 12:09 ]

Posted by bustamo

On 2008-04-06 13:08:45, NightBlade wrote:
Do you even know what PlayNow is?
I think you mean Play/Pause.

[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2008-04-06 12:09 ]

I knew that

Posted by ros-mari
yes
exactly
wlakman quality better than w910 please

Posted by strizlow800
The perfect

hmmm well for me (and the criteria you mentioned above) there is a phone that suits that... The G900, though it is not released yet, but in some time it will be the "perfect

"... at least for me... It has all the options I need

Posted by dentoters07
sony ericsson will never release a perfect/all-in-one phone.. cause vs. its mobile competitors, SE gives their customers "variety"

Posted by technical-expert
As u have mentioned all possibilities a phone could have,The phone ur and we are all waiting for seems to be the Sony ericsson P5.

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=157394&start=6480

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TECHNICAL EXPERT

[ This Message was edited by: technical-expert on 2008-04-06 13:01 ]

Posted by strizlow800
@technical-expert - you are right yeah... almost forgot about the P5... But no one knows the exact specs of the P5 yet... So far the best for me is still the G900

Posted by bustamo

On 2008-04-06 14:00:33, technical-expert wrote:
As u have mentioned all possibilities a phone could have,The phone ur and we are all waiting for seems to be the Sony ericsson P5.

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=157394&start=6480

Regards
TECHNICAL EXPERT

[ This Message was edited by: technical-expert on 2008-04-06 13:01 ]

Very nice, i forgot about that one. My brother has the P1 and that being is a bit too expensive because its a smart phone. Then again i never forked out Ł100 over a phone before...

Posted by kewsvnet
both G900 and the P5 (from what i have read) don't seem to have a dedicated play / pause button....and they dont have the flash... as per bustamo's spec!!!

the G900 also doesnt have GPS altho i guess that could work with the optional accessory

both G900 and P5 seem to be gr8 phones tho

altho i still feel there are a lot of features lackin in the high end SE phones such as:
mini-usb
3.5mm audio jack (even in walkman phones)
tv-out

i was hoping P5 would have them but it doesnt...so my perfect SE phone would be the P5 but with these features as well!!!

Posted by strizlow800
P5 should be great, but imo it is still too early to talk about it's features as no one knows the exact and corrent specs of it...

Posted by gola
SE thinks they have it all figured out...

Posted by Marly
There never can and will be a perfect phone, neither from SE, nor from the other manufacturers, as we all want different things from our phones.
The phone which is near perfect for me, can be useless to somebody else.

Posted by kewsvnet
how about one phone to rule them all lol

Posted by sunrise_
My perfect SE = W890i + AF + led

It's not much...

[ This Message was edited by: SEductive on 2008-10-22 14:08 ]

Posted by QVGA

On 2008-04-06 18:03:56, Marly wrote:
There never can and will be a perfect phone, neither from SE, nor from the other manufacturers, as we all want different things from our phones.

thats not entirely true. N96/N95 8GB and Samsung G810 are both all in one phones offering the best of what nokia and samsung have to offer.

Posted by razec
Just integrate HSDPA chip, OMAP 3420, and UIQ 3.3 on G900 and add Autofocus mechanism on G700 and that'll be perfect for me

G900 gets really close in competing N96 and G810 but it was axed due to lack of the three important essentials mentioned above

Posted by technical-expert

On 2008-04-07 02:11:07, razec wrote:
Just integrate HSDPA chip, OMAP 3420, and UIQ 3.3 on G900 and add Autofocus mechanism on G700 and that'll be perfect for me

G900 gets really close in competing N96 and G810 but it was axed due to lack of the three important essentials mentioned above

Razec at any point of time dont u think u r expecting too much from Se,I see ur praising Imobile (or somephone) everywhere in gsmarena comments(who else could be) section and esato about the CCD sensor seems to be never come true, And it wont be integrated anytime soon in Se, So all this are not going to happen atleast by 2009 to be earliest by SE.

So don't build up ur hopes, be Practical, Dont day dream, think technical.Follow the expert's advice

Regards.
TECHNICAL EXPERT

Posted by razec

On 2008-04-07 02:39:41, technical-expert wrote:

On 2008-04-07 02:11:07, razec wrote:
Just integrate HSDPA chip, OMAP 3420, and UIQ 3.3 on G900 and add Autofocus mechanism on G700 and that'll be perfect for me

G900 gets really close in competing N96 and G810 but it was axed due to lack of the three important essentials mentioned above

Please refer to the title of the thread - that was where i based my opinion posted above. i didn't mention anything about i-mobile or CCD here please keep on topic

- and for instance i never said i want CCD on G900 here in my post. perhaps you're referring to my other post on the other thread but it has nothing to do with this thread imo.

Posted by laurenke01
My perfect phone - whatever is available in 2012.

But until then, Paris.

Posted by QVGA

On 2008-04-07 02:39:41, technical-expert wrote:

On 2008-04-07 02:11:07, razec wrote:
Just integrate HSDPA chip, OMAP 3420, and UIQ 3.3 on G900 and add Autofocus mechanism on G700 and that'll be perfect for me

G900 gets really close in competing N96 and G810 but it was axed due to lack of the three important essentials mentioned above

So don't build up ur hopes, be Practical, Dont day dream, think technical.Follow the expert's advice

Regards.
TECHNICAL EXPERT

dude seriously you dont have to be so lame to make an impression here. just let it flow easily.

Posted by >500

On 2008-04-06 21:27:04, QVGA wrote:

On 2008-04-06 18:03:56, Marly wrote:
There never can and will be a perfect phone, neither from SE, nor from the other manufacturers, as we all want different things from our phones.

thats not entirely true. N96/N95 8GB and Samsung G810 are both all in one phones offering the best of what nokia and samsung have to offer.

best they have to offer or not, still not the perfect phone. What if some one wanted UIQ in them handsets you listed........

Posted by QVGA

On 2008-04-07 08:15:14, >500 wrote:

On 2008-04-06 21:27:04, QVGA wrote:

On 2008-04-06 18:03:56, Marly wrote:
There never can and will be a perfect phone, neither from SE, nor from the other manufacturers, as we all want different things from our phones.

thats not entirely true. N96/N95 8GB and Samsung G810 are both all in one phones offering the best of what nokia and samsung have to offer.

best they have to offer or not, still not the perfect phone. What if some one wanted UIQ in them handsets you listed........

You missed the point. What i said was N96 is the best of all the technologies NOKIA has to offer. Biggest screen, fastest processor, 24 Bit sound card, best camera, best video and so on and so forth.
SE hasnt tried to make a phone with the best of WHAT THEY have to offer.

Posted by >500
no no, i got your point, loud and clear

your post saying n96 and g810 had the best of what nokia/samsung could offer, was posted in response to this:

"There never can and will be a perfect phone, neither from SE, nor from the other manufacturers, as we all want different things from our phones. "

what did your comment have to do with marly's post?

he stated there is no perfect phone, you said those 2 phones have the best to offer, still not perfect for some users surely..................

Posted by Hardened

On 2008-04-06 13:04:39, bustamo wrote:
Well, not many phones that are out cut it yet.
Im still sticking to a W610 but i want the W910 or W760 but the camera is poor with no flash; Newer K/C-series phones arent coming with a playnow button anymore.

My perfect SE would be: -the slide of a W910 but a bit thicker if needed
or candybar
-Minimum 3.2mp on the back (not the slide out -- Part) with flash + Autofocus
-GPS (optional)
-Dedicated keys
-Music Start/Stop Button + good loudspeaker
-Good media player/camera interface
-Touchscreen maybe (too much to ask?)
-Motion sensor

They should make a phone like this but w/o touchscreen if needed etc

What would you like?

[ This Message was edited by: bustamo on 2008-04-06 12:09 ]

if the Play/Pause button's omission from recent phones troubles you ... there is thread right here on Esato for a petition to SE in order to bring it back to newer phones.

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=168026

I think the W760i is going to be a GREAT phone!

I've already seen several non AF pics from the 2MP camera of the W910 in daylight and I'm surprised of the better than expected quality. I have more faith in the W760i as it does have photofix as well. Why not have the camera protected with the slide-IN and only needed when slide out? Shortcut keys on the keypad make good use - A+B buttons only give you so much on the K800 without touching the numerical keypad.

Posted by KingBooker5
A k810/00 with a few mods will suit you, especialy if you want the pause button on the side

Posted by AD
A bespoke modular device, based on a choice of chasis, with my own choice of integrated components (this would of course have an impact on the type of chasis). Very much akin to the pc I'm typing this on in fact (only smaller

). Oh yes, of course the components would be capable of running a variety of OSs, and the customer would have the option of specialised applications such as a 'walkman' media player, 'cyber-shot' cam driver, or the basic 'vanilla' options.

After all, other sectors of the consumer industry have 'options' on their products, eg. the motor industry, or as I said the makers of of personal computers. So why is the mobile phone industry so far behind? Give the customers what they want, and not what you think they should want.

Hey SE - got a new buisiness model for ya!!!

Posted by kewsvnet
@AD

i think that is a great idea...altho a little too ahead of its time...at the moment the phone manufacturers are still trying to keep things as simple as they possibly can...giving the consumer so many choices would only tend to complicate it for most of them and end up confusing them

Posted by mode

On 2008-04-07 08:27:32, >500 wrote:
no no, i got your point, loud and clear

Well, I'm sure QVGA meant SE could try to AIM for perfection as other companies have done rather than segmentizing for maximum profitability while compromising their credibility among the tech-literate

Posted by markztrance
get a high end fone, mod it and voila.

Posted by Muhammad-Oli
I don't think the point is to mod here. Modding comes out of the fact that the manufacturers do not make the perfect phone for many people. This thread is calling for perfect phones coming straight from the manufacturer without modding.

Modding doesn't solve everything either. Some people just don't have the requirements to be able to do so. Some don't have the knowledge. Some don't want to mess up their phone with something that isn't original. Some don't want to risk screwing up there phone or voiding their warranty. You can't honestly offer up modding as the solution for a perfect phone.

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Posted by max_wedge
Agree. It's nice for those of us who like modding, but no good for the average end user.

The perfect SE phone for me will be the P5 if the pictures of it are true (slide formfactor and Dpad with qwerty kyb under the slide) and if it has HSDPA, wifi g, 3.2MP AF camera (or better yet 5MP but I would settle for a good 3.2MP AF) VGA or screen and VGA video recording, and runs UIQ reliably and promptly.

Posted by Coquito
For me the perfect SE phone would be k850 with no bugs, no hardware problems and wi-fi

Posted by dentoters07

On 2008-04-08 05:47:29, coquito wrote:
For me the perfect SE phone would be k850 with no bugs, no hardware problems and wi-fi

that's just asking TOO much from SE...

Posted by aksd
Perfect phone for "now"

Nvidia APX 2500 Processor

.
256MB RAM

2Mpx sensor of a reasonable size, not the itty bitty things they throw on our cam phones, with a decent quality lens, a decent flash and aperutre adjustment if possible.
USB OTG.
TV-Out.
Battery > 1500Mah
VGA or a WVGA screen

SirfIII GPS chipset.
Android or WM OS.
Touch Screen of course with a slide out keypad.
Wi-Max(or WiFI) and HSDPA/HSUPA

We'll since this is day dreaming.....but wait! SE do have a similar phone in the works, the X1

, perfect phone for the time being

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Posted by AD

On 2008-04-07 18:47:30, kewsvnet wrote:
@AD

i think that is a great idea...altho a little too ahead of its time...at the moment the phone manufacturers are still trying to keep things as simple as they possibly can...giving the consumer so many choices would only tend to complicate it for most of them and end up confusing them

Why is it so complicated? Citing my pc analogy, people have been doing this kind of thing for years, as far as complication for the consumer - I think that most people would be capable of using a 'phone builder' website, somewhat akin to Alienware's builder for pcs for example. Aslo, to keep it relatively user friendly, there could be template suggestions which the customer could then embelish.

The complication is therefore purely ecconomic, as it would require a manufacturer to restructure their product fabrication. I do feel that the benefits would outwhey the cost, as it would be a conciderable coup for whoever did it - making the rest appear to be stuck in the garage with Steve Jobs, circa 1977, minus the eureka moment

[ This Message was edited by: AD on 2008-04-08 10:03 ]

[ This Message was edited by: AD on 2008-04-08 11:19 ]

Posted by max_wedge

On 2008-04-08 08:04:17, aksd wrote:

We'll since this is day dreaming.....but wait! SE do have a similar phone in the works, the X1

, perfect phone for the time being

Please tell me that means TV Out will be in X1? :=)

Posted by tempus
Mine would be:

At leat 2.4 inch screen
5 megapixel AF, LED, xenon, 3x optical zoom
Wi-Fi
GPS

Posted by AD
On a more realistic level, how about one that works, that has been beta tested to destruction, and has all its bugs and niggles worked out prior to release. If its a case of market forces driving expediency, then simply get more beta testers (not ones that pay for the privelidge) - I'm sure you'd get plenty of volunteers here

Posted by aksd

On 2008-04-08 10:47:47, max_wedge wrote:

On 2008-04-08 08:04:17, aksd wrote:

We'll since this is day dreaming.....but wait! SE do have a similar phone in the works, the X1

, perfect phone for the time being

Please tell me that means TV Out will be in X1? :=)

Similar Max, similar

It could have been though, so could have USB OTG but SE decided not to implement it

Posted by Aivar
Perfect phone:

* design, size and battery perfomance of T68i
* keys sensibility of K610i
* weight of T66
* network capabilites of X1
* no cameras, no radio, no players and on other such kind new age stuff
* very clear black and white screen
* solid hausing: water, dust and shock proof
* matt glass display, like on good old GA 628

Posted by Coquito
@razec: that would be the perfect phone, but in 1998

Posted by bustamo
@ aksd: Hey thanks to u i modded my w610i nicely and S580i hybrid. Lol put an AMD phenom while ur at it

Posted by kewsvnet

On 2008-04-09 15:09:04, AD wrote:
On a more realistic level, how about one that works, that has been beta tested to destruction, and has all its bugs and niggles worked out prior to release. If its a case of market forces driving expediency, then simply get more beta testers (not ones that pay for the privelidge) - I'm sure you'd get plenty of volunteers here

realistic level...LOL

i think with devices becoming as complex as they are...it is virtually impossible to work out all the bugs and niggles!!...altho i totally agree with you....they should atleast go through much more vigorous testing and make the system far more stable than what we are getting currently!!!

Posted by kewsvnet
well here's the spec for my perfect SE...with reasoning..and i believe it can be made as all the technologies are currently implemented in some phone or another

>3g quadband
>5mp camera with xenon flash autofocus and 3x optical zoom (:SE:'s japanese phone has it already)
>30fps VGA recording
>gps
>wifi b/g
>multi-touch touchscreen for certain operation
>dvb-h and recording (:SE: japanese bravia phone i think can do it)
>divx support (i think there are some phones out there that do support it)
>bluetooth 2.1
>fm reciever and transmitter (they have implemented it in some

phones already and new texas instrument chip does bluetooth..fm recieve and transmit all in one)
>dual micro-sd and m2 slot
>8gb or 16gb internal memory (would make having an mp3 player unnecessary..and it has been implement in n96 and iphone)
>powerful processor and enough ram (i m assuming TI-omap34xx would be good...to ensure smooth operations and good multimedia playback on the phone)
>the beloved play / pause button
>circular d-pad with scrolling (not sure if p5 has something like that...but this is on my canon sd860..i m sure wouldnt be too difficult to implement on a phone either)
>3.5mm jack
>tv-out
>XMB mediaplayer
>UIQ3.3 (or UIQ4 preferably)

i think that should keep me happy for a few years...lol!!!

[ This Message was edited by: kewsvnet on 2008-04-10 17:55 ]

Posted by Dups!
X1 in UIQ. PERFECT AS
CAN BE!

Posted by ocean21
w960 with iPhone screen^^

Posted by iamsinned06
the perfect SE for me:

merged all the tech specs of all SE phone in one nice and nifty gadget and that's be perfect..

Posted by razec
Perfect SE = A

C905 with R306's AM band + XPERIA's Touch Screen WVGA Resolution + S0906's Bravia RealityMAX engine + FM Transmitter of W980 + G900's Touch Autofocus + W760's Stereo Speaker design

^^ Well too much as some may say but that's my dream

anyway I also closed my eyes and took a pillow beside me while writting this

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Posted by WhiteEye
The perfect SE for me : K810 with dpad (instead of joystick), HSDPA, A2, 2.2" display, Flash lite, WiFi enabler support and metal housing. Please retain the quality lens and xenon flash!

anyway, SO705i with tribadn GSM would grow on me either. lol